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ChampionTexan
09-04-2011, 11:54 AM
This isn't a good thing no matter how you view it:

Authorities are on the scene of a drowning at the home of Texans’ defensive end Antonio Smith.

It happened at his Richmond home in the 2000 block of Grand River Driver around 11:15 a.m.

LINK (http://www.khou.com/news/local/Police-investigate-drowning-at-home-of-Texans-DE-Antonio-Smith-129222123.html)

jaayteetx
09-04-2011, 11:56 AM
Holy crap, that sucks.

JamesBill
09-04-2011, 11:58 AM
Does he have kids?

ChampionTexan
09-04-2011, 12:00 PM
There's several directions this could take - some worse than others, but all of them bad!

Ryan
09-04-2011, 12:03 PM
ruh roh.

jaayteetx
09-04-2011, 12:05 PM
His twitter feed said something about a pool party.

Rey
09-04-2011, 12:08 PM
Wow.

sgiog1
09-04-2011, 12:08 PM
Not good guys, not good.

dalemurphy
09-04-2011, 12:09 PM
Removed.

JamesBill
09-04-2011, 12:11 PM
Party was yesterday so who knows WTF happened.

alphajoker
09-04-2011, 12:14 PM
Pencil,

We all commit bad judgement on occasion. This is one of those times for you. Would you please remove your joke? Not the best time for it.

rep'd...thank you.

In regards to the situation, I'm expecting the worst but hoping for the best.

prostock101
09-04-2011, 12:16 PM
Not a good thing to see happen but I'm going to stick my neck out and say alcohol is a player here.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 12:18 PM
Party was yesterday so who knows WTF happened.

And some chron poster said it was in Galveston.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 12:19 PM
Not a good thing to see happen but I'm going to stick my neck out and say alcohol is a player here.

Apparently it was an adult pool party.

DocBar
09-04-2011, 12:20 PM
Not a good thing to see happen but I'm going to stick my neck out and say alcohol is a player here.I'm not going to speculate on this until there's more info.

jaayteetx
09-04-2011, 12:20 PM
Apparently it was an adult pool party.

Well, at least it wasn't a child...maybe.

The Pencil Neck
09-04-2011, 12:29 PM
rep'd...thank you.

In regards to the situation, I'm expecting the worst but hoping for the best.

Sorry about that guys, just the first thing that popped into my head.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 12:29 PM
Well, at least it wasn't a child...maybe.


It looks to have been a pool party that included dancing and fashion show.

It worries me when I see that this is one of the attendee's tweets.

Porn Star
Porn Star
@JermpoeTheGreat view full profile →
with a girl doin famous ****
all i know is rap & sex! i was sent here 2sexually harass all the pretty lightskin ladies. Ladies if u follow u must swallow. Contrary 2 my tweets Ima good guy

IDEXAN
09-04-2011, 12:30 PM
Name didn't register for me until I realized they meant Antonio, not Anthony.

DocBar
09-04-2011, 12:37 PM
It looks to have been a pool party that included dancing and fashion show.

It worries me when I see that this is one of the attendee's tweets.

:yikes:!!!!! That can't be good at all. Does Smith have a history of this kind of behaviour?

The Cush
09-04-2011, 12:37 PM
Name didn't register for me until I realized they meant Antonio, not Anthony.

It's gone from Anthony to "Anthonio"

IDEXAN
09-04-2011, 12:38 PM
RICHMOND, TX (KTRK) -- Fort Bend County authorities are investigating a suspected drowning at the home of a Houston Texans football player.


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Investigators are at the scene now -- a home in the 2000 block of Grand River in Richmond that belongs to Houston Texans defensive end Antonio Smith.

According to neighbors, there was a large party at Smith's house last night. They had valet parking and neighbors could hear loud music.

This morning around 9:30am, the Richmond Fire Department was called out to the home. Officials at the scene said a dead body was found at the bottom of the pool.

The age and gender of the victim have not been released.

We have a crew at the scene. Please stay with Eyewitness News and abc13.com for more information as it becomes available.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8341607

JamesBill
09-04-2011, 12:40 PM
Holy crap it stayed in the pool all night?

drunkcookie
09-04-2011, 12:41 PM
:yikes:!!!!! That can't be good at all. Does Smith have a history of this kind of behaviour?

What, partying? With men there? Men who want to have sex? Is this not normal? lol

Thorn
09-04-2011, 12:42 PM
I'm not liking the sound of this, but I'm going to wait for the police report before making any judgements.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 12:43 PM
According to neighbors, there was a large party at Smith's house last night. They had valet parking and neighbors could hear loud music.

This morning around 9:30am, the Richmond Fire Department was called out to the home. Officials at the scene said a dead body was found at the bottom of the pool.

The age and gender of the victim have not been released.

From channel 13

Sorry, Idexan, you got there first.

nero THE zero
09-04-2011, 12:44 PM
Sounds like someone passed out or hit their head and fell in in the middle of the night.

Doubt there's foul play involved.

NitroGSXR
09-04-2011, 12:47 PM
I am reminded of that scene from "The Last Boy Scout". It is where Damon Wayans pops a football in the OL/DL's face. He was drowning a girl in the hot tub.

drunkcookie
09-04-2011, 12:50 PM
Sounds like someone passed out or hit their head and fell in in the middle of the night.

Doubt there's foul play involved.

That's what it sounds like to me...

reminds me of that friend some of us have, the one that gets drunk and goes missing for no good reason... this one probably just went to the pool after the party had died down, instead of behind the whataburger drive-thru to take a leak/pass out like a buddy we lost track of one night (even though the bathrooms inside were working just fine)... sad news...

Could have been anything... I won't speculate, just saying what first popped into my head...

Tonaaayyyy
09-04-2011, 12:52 PM
Ouch.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 12:58 PM
I don't ever remembering Smith being married, let alone having kids. I may be wrong. But at least it would tend to make it potentially a little less tragic.

Dutchrudder
09-04-2011, 12:59 PM
So is it safe to assume that the body is NOT Antonio Smith?

Playoffs
09-04-2011, 01:04 PM
So is it safe to assume that the body is NOT Antonio Smith?
Yes, think so.

IDEXAN
09-04-2011, 01:07 PM
Hey fellas, this is kinda serious stuff. Actually it's a terrible personal tragedy for someones loved ones/family so maybe later would be better timing for attempts at levity.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 01:08 PM
I just hope to heck that whomever they find at the bottom doesn't test for cocaine or the like.......then the investigation will extend. And I take for granted that Smith himself will empirically be tested immediately by the league if not also by the police.

srrono
09-04-2011, 01:09 PM
sometimes the best way to deal with serious stuff is humor

NitroGSXR
09-04-2011, 01:10 PM
It's okay! Looks like he'll be out on bail for the duration of the season! It takes at least 8-12 months to get a speedy trial.

ArlingtonTexan
09-04-2011, 01:13 PM
sometimes the bast way to deal with serious stuff is humor

That's fine for you in your personal life, but on a public forum where we know that there are family members of player reading threads, it is a different protocol. So stop.

We don't even know basic details.

ChampionTexan
09-04-2011, 01:13 PM
So is it safe to assume that the body is NOT Antonio Smith?

Yes, think so.

Unfortunately I'm not sure why you are so certain.

Fort Bend Sheriff's Office said the victim was an adult male. They would not provide any other details.

Updated Link (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Authorities-Drowning-at-home-of-Texans-DE-2155296.php)

prostock101
09-04-2011, 01:14 PM
Looks like PFT has picked it up. Does sound accidental but who knows at this point.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/04/drowning-reported-at-home-of-texans-antonio-smith/

chicagotexan2
09-04-2011, 01:17 PM
Damn this is serious trouble. There is no way to know what went down. But it's easy to not notice someone at the bottom of a pool if it' was crowded and if people are partying. I hope it wasnot someones child.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 01:24 PM
Looks like Smith does have a son. From a Tweet.

Antonio Smith
antoniosmith94 Antonio Smith
Listen to this my son says dad what u thkn bout wen u do all that barkn while u doin weights lol I say who ever touches the Doggs bowl
18 Jul

jaayteetx
09-04-2011, 01:24 PM
Chron is reporting victim is a 37 y/o Katy man.

honored82
09-04-2011, 01:27 PM
About 100 people attended the party and 25 of those stayed overnight, officials said.

Authorities do not suspect foul play.

well, atleast that's something good.

HJam72
09-04-2011, 01:30 PM
We also know now it wasn't Smith himself or a child.

Texans_Chick
09-04-2011, 01:38 PM
http://c0013929.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_7fa20f6

SheTexan
09-04-2011, 01:41 PM
We also know now it wasn't Smith himself or a child.


OR another Houston Texan football player! I eliminated that thought when I saw "age 37" posted. Worried for a while though. Regardless, very sad for the family involved, and for AS. Tragic!

jaayteetx
09-04-2011, 01:42 PM
Whats invictus91?
Edit...its a sports and entertainment marketing group

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 01:47 PM
Whats invictus91?
Edit...its a sports and entertainment marketing group

Okoye's football camp was sponsored by this group.

jaayteetx
09-04-2011, 01:51 PM
Well, one thing is for sure, this should get some attention from the commisioner.

Texans_Chick
09-04-2011, 01:53 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/ITSDJXPLICIT/status/110147530788044800

From the DJ: "ALL THE HOUSTON TEXANS ARE IN THE BUILDING AT THIS TROPICAL PARTY WHOOOOP WHOOOOP!!!"

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 01:56 PM
http://c0013929.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_7fa20f6
Man, I get these emails all the time....
Got one on Friday for a Ben Tate / Derrick Ward B-Day Party and Labor Day fete...
Usually just delete them since they're aimed at folks much younger than I

Texans_Chick
09-04-2011, 01:58 PM
Geez Steph, I get these emails all the time....
Got one on Friday for a Ben Tate / Derrick Ward B-Day Party and Labor Day fete...

Very common. Throw a big party, attach some players names to it. Likely what most of you would do in your 20s if you had the ability, cash, fame to do it.

Texans_Chick
09-04-2011, 02:00 PM
Guessing this is the pool w/ the fashion show runway:

http://c0013934.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_80a3e2c

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 02:03 PM
Very common. Throw a big party, attach some players names to it. Likely what most of you would do in your 20s if you had the ability, cash, fame to do it.

Yeah, there's one or two on 'normal' weekends.... Don't let it be a holiday weekend or something a playoff game on. When we had the Super Bowl and the NBA All-Star game here there were dozens of them.

Usually they come and go unnoticed by us no-name folks

Texans_Chick
09-04-2011, 02:03 PM
Whats invictus91?
Edit...its a sports and entertainment marketing group

Website. (http://www.invictus91.com/category/community/)

Think Okoye's family runs it.

Texans_Chick
09-04-2011, 02:09 PM
More pix:

http://s1.proxy04.twitpic.com/photos/large/389110824.jpg

Texans_Chick
09-04-2011, 02:11 PM
http://s1.proxy05.twitpic.com/photos/large/389132704.jpg

Pool party fashion show.

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 02:14 PM
Where did you find these photos?

nytexan
09-04-2011, 02:44 PM
Where did you find these photos?

Lawyers :stirpot:

HJam72
09-04-2011, 02:46 PM
Kinda dark in there. No wonder they didn't notice a body 'till morning.

jaayteetx
09-04-2011, 02:48 PM
Looks like the media has disclosed the location and pictures of Antonio's house. That sucks for him.

JamesBill
09-04-2011, 03:24 PM
Assuming this guy was charged for admission to a "Pool Party" and served alcohol. If there weren't any life guards or anything wouldn't Smith be pretty open for a lawsuit?

Texans_Chick
09-04-2011, 03:29 PM
Where did you find these photos?

Internet ninja. No, actually clicking around on Twitter to folks who attended/set up party.

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg640/scaled.php?tn=0&server=640&filename=fw6uu.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 03:31 PM
Assuming this guy was charged for admission to a "Pool Party" and served alcohol. If there weren't any life guards or anything wouldn't Smith be pretty open for a lawsuit?
You're assuming he drowned during the party.

Suppose he was beyond the legal driving limit and Smith let him stay to "sleep it off" and during the night he got up, wandered around the pool and fell in, hitting his head....

That's the first scenario that comes to my mind. I can't see someone falling in the pool and drowning during the party and no one seeing him.

disaacks3
09-04-2011, 03:31 PM
Assuming this guy was charged for admission to a "Pool Party" and served alcohol. If there weren't any life guards or anything wouldn't Smith be pretty open for a lawsuit? You can always sue, doesn't mean you'll win. With (theoretically) only adults in the (private) pool, you can sometimes skip the lifeguard.

The time-of-death will also affect liability. What if the "guest" went back to the pool after everyone else went inside?

Texans_Chick
09-04-2011, 03:31 PM
Assuming this guy was charged for admission to a "Pool Party" and served alcohol. If there weren't any life guards or anything wouldn't Smith be pretty open for a lawsuit?

Any time anybody gets hurt/killed, there's usually a lawsuit. Lawyer ends up suing everybody. Homeowner, event producer, anyone with a checkbook. Doesn't mean it is a good lawsuit, but costs everyone involved money.

Brisco_County
09-04-2011, 03:39 PM
Reports say it's a family friend. If true, there's a good chance there won't be a lawsuit.

I had friends who went through something like this about ten years ago. A friend got too drunk and fell into the pool while everyone was asleep. No lawsuit from the family. There's really no grounds for a lawsuit, since the alcohol provided is self-serve.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 03:40 PM
pft:



The man who died at the home of Texans defensive end Antonio Smith has been identified as a 37-year-old friend of Smith’s family.

Fort Bend County sheriff’s spokesman Bob Haenel told the Associated Press that the death is believed to be a drowning, and foul play is not suspected.

The death was reported at about 9:30 a.m. today. Smith had hosted a birthday party in his home on Saturday night.

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 03:43 PM
Reports say it's a family friend. If true, there's a good chance there won't be a lawsuit.

I had friends who went through something like this about ten years ago. A friend got too drunk and fell into the pool while everyone was asleep. No lawsuit from the family. There's really no grounds for a lawsuit, since the alcohol provided is self-serve.

That's the scenario I figured.
My sympathies go out to the guy's family and Smith's family as they've lost a friend.

Texans_Chick
09-04-2011, 03:47 PM
Reports say it's a family friend. If true, there's a good chance there won't be a lawsuit.

I had friends who went through something like this about ten years ago. A friend got too drunk and fell into the pool while everyone was asleep. No lawsuit from the family. There's really no grounds for a lawsuit, since the alcohol provided is self-serve.

Depends on the friend. People can file lawsuits even if there are no grounds. Happens every day, I'm afraid.

http://c0013939.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_81574a6

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 03:53 PM
Depends on the friend. People can file lawsuits even if there are no grounds. Happens every day, I'm afraid.

http://c0013939.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_81574a6

Friendship many times can be affected by death and money.

JamesBill
09-04-2011, 03:53 PM
Depends on the friend. People can file lawsuits even if there are no grounds. Happens every day, I'm afraid.


Mesh pool covers are pretty cheap and easy to use. If after hours would be pretty reasonable to put it on. i also think you are in a different ballgame when you charge people to attend.

IDEXAN
09-04-2011, 04:20 PM
Reports say it's a family friend. If true, there's a good chance there won't be a lawsuit.

I had friends who went through something like this about ten years ago. A friend got too drunk and fell into the pool while everyone was asleep. No lawsuit from the family. There's really no grounds for a lawsuit, since the alcohol provided is self-serve.
More often than not money trumpts friendship. And re your friends, perhaps they didn't have the deep pockets that a highly compensated pro-jock like Smith has ?

Hooston Texan
09-04-2011, 04:28 PM
More often than not money trumpts friendship. And re your friends, perhaps they didn't have the deep pockets that a highly compensated pro-jock like Smith has ?

Hopefully Smith's pockets were deep enough to purchase Homeowner's Insurance and that swimming pool (and alcohol) mishaps were not excluded from that coverage.

JamesBill
09-04-2011, 04:32 PM
Hopefully Smith's pockets were deep enough to purchase Homeowner's Insurance and that swimming pool (and alcohol) mishaps were not excluded from that coverage.

I doubt they cover commercial uses of the property either.

jppaul
09-04-2011, 04:33 PM
You can always sue, doesn't mean you'll win. With (theoretically) only adults in the (private) pool, you can sometimes skip the lifeguard.

The time-of-death will also affect liability. What if the "guest" went back to the pool after everyone else went inside?

if the life guard angle doesn't work out, and he fell in the pool I think you are going to find that he was pretty clearly overserved. I don't imagine the words cut off exists at those parties, just speculation and not trying to point any fingers but there are grounds for a suit and it sounds like a easy enough one to win.

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 04:38 PM
I doubt they cover commercial uses of the property either.

Wait, wait.... How is paying some outfit to help you throw a party turn that party into a commercial operation?

Are you saying every wedding reception or dinner party or anniversary party or whatever that someone has catered by a professional outfit automatically becomes a commercial operation??

jppaul
09-04-2011, 04:45 PM
Wait, wait.... How is paying some outfit to help you throw a party commercial?

If you received a pecuniary benefit the insurance company will argue commercial. If the party makes you a profit then you received a pecuniary benefit. Lots of ways to get around that.

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 04:53 PM
If you received a pecuniary benefit the insurance company will argue commercial. If the party makes you a profit then you received a pecuniary benefit. Lots of ways to get around that.

You're making an assumption that Smith made money off the party. While the folks he hired to do the party (DJ, fashion show producers, etc.) certainly made money, there's nothing to support the assertion that Smith did.

jppaul
09-04-2011, 04:57 PM
You're making an assumption that Smith made money off the party. While the folks he hired to do the party (DJ, fashion show producers, etc.) certainly made money, there's nothing to support the assertion that Smith did.

You are correct, but whether the party can be considered a commercial use is largely going to depend on the policy language and definitions contained. I am telling that the insurance company policy is likely hundreds of pages with carefully drafted exclusions for exactly this kind of circumstance.

welsh texan
09-04-2011, 05:26 PM
Such a shame that something so tragic could occur and all people want to talk about is whether or not there might be a lawsuit, its a shame that society has degraded to the point that human life is less important than money. Where theres blame, theres a claim and all that.

RIP to the victim.

Playoffs
09-04-2011, 05:59 PM
Such a shame that something so tragic could occur and all people want to talk about is whether or not there might be a lawsuit, its a shame that society has degraded to the point that human life is less important than money. Where theres blame, theres a claim and all that.

RIP to the victim.
^This.

And condolences to his family & friends, one of whom was Antonio.

JamesBill
09-04-2011, 06:01 PM
Such a shame that something so tragic could occur and all people want to talk about is whether or not there might be a lawsuit, its a shame that society has degraded to the point that human life is less important than money. Where theres blame, theres a claim and all that.

RIP to the victim.

I will take this one since I started it. To defend myself, when someone is dead people usually look for a reason and blame. I don't think it means that the persons life is worth less than money. My first thought on the entire situation was fear it was his kid.

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 07:29 PM
Such a shame that something so tragic could occur and all people want to talk about is whether or not there might be a lawsuit, its a shame that society has degraded to the point that human life is less important than money. Where theres blame, theres a claim and all that.

RIP to the victim.

Thank you!!

Norg
09-04-2011, 07:47 PM
So what does this mean is smith facing jail time will he get suspend from some nfl games. Hes our starter !!!!!!

Rey
09-04-2011, 07:54 PM
Such a shame that something so tragic could occur and all people want to talk about is whether or not there might be a lawsuit, its a shame that society has degraded to the point that human life is less important than money. Where theres blame, theres a claim and all that.

RIP to the victim.

I know Arian's situation was just a hamstring, but I think the mind set you are speaking about is what Arian was talking about.

prostock101
09-04-2011, 07:56 PM
So what does this mean is smith facing jail time will he get suspend from some nfl games. Hes our starter !!!!!!

Seriously?

Norg
09-04-2011, 07:59 PM
Seriously?

It was prob just some drunk druggie dude that fell in da pool

Call me cold i care about teh texans alot more then some drunk

NitroGSXR
09-04-2011, 08:02 PM
It was prob just some drunk druggie dude that fell in da pool

Call me cold i care about teh texans alot more then some drunk

It was a family friend. I expect this to bother him for some time.

leebigeztx
09-05-2011, 03:18 AM
I've known a lot of nfl guys through the yrs and normally, the parties happen right before camp. Here we are, a wek b4 the season and smithis having a pool party? Poor fucus.

alphajoker
09-05-2011, 08:28 AM
I've known a lot of nfl guys through the yrs and normally, the parties happen right before camp. Here we are, a wek b4 the season and smithis having a pool party? Poor fucus.

I don't see anything wrong with it. If it was the Saturday night before the game then yes but I think it's ok if he wanted to have a pool party a week before the season. You gotta be able to let off a little steam somehow, someway. Especially after a month of practices in 100 degree heat.

houstonspartan
09-05-2011, 12:38 PM
I've known a lot of nfl guys through the yrs and normally, the parties happen right before camp. Here we are, a wek b4 the season and smithis having a pool party? Poor fucus.

Good grief. This thread has gotten crass.

Grow up, people. A man lost his life.

House of Pain
09-05-2011, 01:21 PM
Good grief. This thread has gotten crass.

Grow up, people. A man lost his life.

Repped. It's all fine and dandy that we are obsessed with the Texans, but the line has to be drawn somewhere.

House of Pain
09-05-2011, 01:35 PM
Any time anybody gets hurt/killed, there's usually a lawsuit. Lawyer ends up suing everybody. Homeowner, event producer, anyone with a checkbook. Doesn't mean it is a good lawsuit, but costs everyone involved money.

The "throw-everything-against-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks" approach is branded into the mind of every lawyer who attends law school.

For the non-barrister crowd, you have to bring all causes of action at one time or risk waiving them. This is usually why when people's lawsuits go public, they usually sound ridiculous because they include every possible cause of action they could potentially sue the defendant for. If the attorney doesn't bring all possible causes of action, they risk disciplinary action and could be disbarred.

Sorry TC, not trying to step on your toes...I'm just trying to put some dispel some hatred for attorneys with some insight. Everyone here knows you are the legal authority here.

:hides:

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2011, 06:44 PM
From the Chronicle:

An autopsy was completed Monday on a man found in a Houston
Texans football player's pool after a Saturday night party, but the cause of death still is pending, officials said.

Engram Lamar Crenshaw, 37, of Katy, was discovered in Antonio Smith's pool Sunday morning by one of the two dozen house guests who had slept at Smith's $1 million, 5-acre estate in Richmond.

Dr. Harminder Narula with the Galveston County Medical Examiner's office, who completed the autopsy, said the cause of death is pending a toxicology report. Narula said discussing a preliminary cause of death would be speculation.

The toxicology report is expected to take several weeks

The Texans, in a statement issued Sunday, said the team was "gathering facts." The organization declined further comment on Monday.

hot pickle
09-05-2011, 06:51 PM
this is one of those things that can happen to anyone... was Antonio wrong by throwing a party. absolutely not! I think people tend to forget that NFL players are just like everyone else and that they like to have fun and hang out with friends and family as well! its a very unfortunate incident that happened.... my condolences go out to the mans family and friends!

gary
09-05-2011, 07:47 PM
It was prob just some drunk druggie dude that fell in da pool

Call me cold i care about teh texans alot more then some drunkYou are probably right about the man being drunk but we don't know that yet though. And, how do you know? Geez. Grow up and get real dude otherwise please do enlighten all of us if you actually attended the party.

ChampionTexan
09-05-2011, 07:50 PM
You are probably right about the man being drunk but we don't know that yet though. And, how you know? Geez. Grow up and get real dude otherwise please do enlighten all of us if you actually attended the party.

I can't believe I'm defending one of his posts, but the word probably (or the abbreviation of it) spelled out pretty clearly he was speculating and not claiming first hand or absolute knowledge.

gary
09-05-2011, 08:00 PM
I can't believe I'm defending one of his posts, but the word probably (or the abbreviation of it) spelled out pretty clearly he was speculating and not claiming first hand or absolute knowledge.Still silly to put a game first case and point IMHO.

leebigeztx
09-05-2011, 11:10 PM
I don't see anything wrong with it. If it was the Saturday night before the game then yes but I think it's ok if he wanted to have a pool party a week before the season. You gotta be able to let off a little steam somehow, someway. Especially after a month of practices in 100 degree heat.

All I'm saying is my cousin who played for more than 10 yrs and he used to throw mega parties. A lot of the guys whom he kicked it with used to throw mega parties or just parties in general. None of those parties happened a week before the season. Its time to be locked and loaded for the season. I know a man has lost his life and that's sad, I'm just saying from smiths perspective that the party should've have happened.

Rey
09-05-2011, 11:29 PM
All I'm saying is my cousin who played for more than 10 yrs and he used to throw mega parties. A lot of the guys whom he kicked it with used to throw mega parties or just parties in general. None of those parties happened a week before the season. Its time to be locked and loaded for the season. I know a man has lost his life and that's sad, I'm just saying from smiths perspective that the party should've have happened.

Different strokes, different folks.

If no one loses their life many of us likely never hear about the party.

TimeKiller
09-06-2011, 07:30 AM
Sounds like someone was too drunk to do anything, I mean if you're too drunk to save yourself from drowning at a party?!? Dang. That's like, wasted drunk.

It's tough but these things happen. A neighbor growing up found her kid face down in the pool but in time to save him. Tough for Smith to lose a friend but at the same time....a grown man should be handling his business better than that. Clearly.

prostock101
09-06-2011, 11:09 AM
Read this morning that they found him fully clothed in the pool.

chicagotexan2
09-06-2011, 11:25 AM
Sounds like someone was too drunk to do anything, I mean if you're too drunk to save yourself from drowning at a party?!? Dang. That's like, wasted drunk.It's tough but these things happen. A neighbor growing up found her kid face down in the pool but in time to save him. Tough for Smith to lose a friend but at the same time....a grown man should be handling his business better than that. Clearly.

That's assuming he was drunk or high on something else. But this man could have had a medical emergency like a seizure which would have rendered him unconscious. I would lean toward drunk or high since it was a party, but who knows.

ChampionTexan
11-01-2011, 02:22 PM
I realize most of us have probably kind of forgotten about this, but to close things out...

The Galveston County medical examiner's office has ruled the death of a man at the home of Texans defensive end Antonio Smith an accidental drowning.

LINK (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d823ae233/article/drowning-at-home-of-texans-de-smith-deemed-accidental?module=HP11_headline_stack)

El Tejano
11-01-2011, 04:05 PM
I realize most of us have probably kind of forgotten about this, but to close things out...



LINK (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d823ae233/article/drowning-at-home-of-texans-de-smith-deemed-accidental?module=HP11_headline_stack)

Good for Antonio. Sorry for his and everyone involved's loss.

Texan_Bill
11-01-2011, 04:21 PM
What kind of jackass has to make a comment that's deemed "Comment is abusive and has been removed."

Oh, :thinking: Ah, that makes sense: A Bengals and a Lions fan. Keep it classy Detroit and Nati.

JimBaker488
11-01-2011, 09:20 PM
Why Galveston County, why not Harris County Medical Examiners department ?

Thorn
11-02-2011, 12:45 PM
Why Galveston County, why not Harris County Medical Examiners department ?

Ask Ducky.