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srrono
09-03-2011, 08:56 PM
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-09-03/houston-texans-team-report-punter-fifth-wideout-will-be-sought


A HOUSTON -- The Texans are looking for a punter, a fifth wide receiver and depth in the defensive line as they continue to retool a roster that stood at 52 on Saturday night.

The Texans waived punter Brad Maynard and will claim or sign a new one. After keeping Bryant Johnson, who had three catches for 64 yards against Minnesota Thursday night despite participating in only two practices last week, theyd like to find a fifth wideout like David Anderson.

He played five seasons with the Texans before being a cap casualty and signing with the Broncos, who waived him.

There has been a lot of speculation in Dallas that once defensive end Igor Olshansky was released, he would sign with the Texans. He played for defensive coordinator Wade Phillips at San Diego and Dallas.

The Texans kept six of eight draft choices and one undrafted free agent -- outside linebacker Bryan Braman.

Running back Steve Slaton, fourth on the depth chart, was retained. He didnt play in preseason because of a hamstring injury. Hes 100 percent and could be trade bait or insurance in case Arian Foster doesnt recover from his hamstring injury as fast as the team hopes.

Running back Chris Ogbonnaya, who led the team in preseason with 54 carries for 192 yards, was waived and could end up on the practice squad for the second consecutive season.



Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-09-03/houston-texans-team-report-punter-fifth-wideout-will-be-sought#ixzz1WwdTs9zd

DocBar
09-03-2011, 08:58 PM
I have new found faith in our talent evaluation and seriously doubt our personnel moves ended at the 53 man roster deadline.

TdotTexas2Step
09-03-2011, 09:23 PM
How do we feel about Ex-Patriot Brandon Tate?

He was let go by the Pats because he wasn't becoming the receiver they needed him to be, but in our loaded offense, he wouldn't really be asked to do much, and he's proven in the past he could be dynamic on special teams, which would in turn allow us to keep Manning away from that role.

badboy
09-03-2011, 09:35 PM
I am very ok with just 4 Wrs with this tight end corps and two running backs that can catch and that does not include Slaton.

houstonspartan
09-03-2011, 09:41 PM
I have new found faith in our talent evaluation and seriously doubt our personnel moves ended at the 53 man roster deadline.

I kind of agree. My gut tells me that this was all done on purpose. They have a plan. (I hope).

Thorn
09-03-2011, 09:42 PM
I am very ok with just 4 Wrs with this tight end corps and two running backs that can catch and that does not include Slaton.

Unless the injury bug hits us. But I do agree that Schaub already has more than enough folks to throw to, considering the recieving talent at RBs, TEs, and HBs.

ArlingtonTexan
09-03-2011, 09:49 PM
I have new found faith in our talent evaluation and seriously doubt our personnel moves ended at the 53 man roster deadline.

Honestly, over time they have been decent enough at finding guys like Pollard, wilson etc early in the season who can be short term band-aids.

RT22
09-03-2011, 10:43 PM
I can see WR Brandon Tate being a Texan. He is exactly what we need as a 4th or 5th WR. He will compete with Bryant Johnson for his spot, gives us a speed guy, and plays special teams which i'm not sure about B. Johnson. This move would make us better.

Rey
09-03-2011, 10:49 PM
I am very ok with just 4 Wrs with this tight end corps and two running backs that can catch and that does not include Slaton.

This, excluding the slaton part.

Corrosion
09-03-2011, 10:55 PM
This, excluding the slaton part.

I have a feeling Slaton will be moved before the trade deadline to a team hurting for a RB or possibly cut when the team is confident that Foster is fully healed.

badboy
09-03-2011, 10:56 PM
This, excluding the slaton part.Why? If healthy Slaton can catch and he has been suggested to be a WR in some schemes. SOme called him a Reggie Bush type RB.

RT22
09-03-2011, 10:59 PM
I can also see former Arizona P Ben Graham being on the Texans radar.

Scooter
09-03-2011, 11:12 PM
i'd like to see us keep slaton and forgo a 5th receiver if it came to that. slaton's experienced as a WR (motion) in our system, as are all 3 of our receiving tightends and james casey. i'd rather have the depth at RB than at WR. we are a little thin though so anderson or tate are likely on our radar - players who can be put on special teams since they'll likely knock someone off of that unit.

i'm looking at merriweather as an upgrade over barber.

i really like graham at punter.

i'd trust wade's decision with olshansky - if wade wants him we need to get him.

Ndevine7
09-03-2011, 11:19 PM
I can also see former Arizona P Ben Graham being on the Texans radar.

is ben graham the aussie punter that used to play for the jets?

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 12:34 AM
is ben graham the aussie punter that used to play for the jets?

He was with the Jets early in his career........4 of 8 years.

Corrosion
09-04-2011, 12:44 AM
The one thing that concerns me with the punter situation is who's holding for FG's & PAT's ..... Thats a critical element of the kicking game.

TexCanada
09-04-2011, 12:47 AM
I definitely think we need another WR. One injury to any of our WRs and we are looking very thin there.

Rey
09-04-2011, 12:55 AM
Why? If healthy Slaton can catch and he has been suggested to be a WR in some schemes. SOme called him a Reggie Bush type RB.

Misunderstood what you were saying. I agree that he can provide a receiving element.

ccdude730
09-04-2011, 12:56 AM
The one thing that concerns me with the punter situation is who's holding for FG's & PAT's ..... Thats a critical element of the kicking game.

Its not always the punter who is out there to hold. Occasionally it might be the backup QB. I think we need to get the best punter available on the market, period. At that point - ask Rackers who he is most comfortable with.

TexanSam
09-04-2011, 03:23 AM
The one thing that concerns me with the punter situation is who's holding for FG's & PAT's ..... Thats a critical element of the kicking game.

Ben Graham's name has been brought up and if the Texans were to sign him then he and Neil Rackers would have some history together since they were both on the Cardinals. I dunno if Graham was the holder in Arizona though.

However, Graham's stats aren't all that impressive. Matt Turk has had a better net average than him 4 out of the last 5 years.

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 07:45 AM
Two punters with supposedly "big legs" were cut...
I wonder if this is a case where these guys tended to out kick their coverage teams..??
Does a team no good for the punter to boot it 50-60 yds only to have it returned 20 or 30 or worse.

gwallaia
09-04-2011, 09:31 AM
WR Donnie Avery was let go by the Rams.

dream_team
09-04-2011, 09:40 AM
WR Donnie Avery was let go by the Rams.

I came here to bring up the same name. He can really stretch the field! I wonder why the Rams cut him? Maybe he isn't the same after the injury?

prostock101
09-04-2011, 09:43 AM
WR Donnie Avery was let go by the Rams.

What do you bet Kolb makes a pitch for him in Az?

Rey
09-04-2011, 09:44 AM
I'd be weary of Avery.

Considering his injuries and the fact that st Louis needs receiving threats for their young qb.

I'm more inclined to roll with what we have at the wr position.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 11:32 AM
I'd be weary of Avery.

Considering his injuries and the fact that st Louis needs receiving threats for their young qb.

I'm more inclined to roll with what we have at the wr position.

He had a major ankle injury in 2009, then ACL surgery last year. He runs a 4.27.
Although he showed some nice game in preseason, someone's got to know something we don't. BTW, this would have been his contract year. (2008-4.8 million, 3 million guaranteed)

Trap_Star
09-04-2011, 11:38 AM
maybe we're about trade slaton for lechler straight up...c'mon good ol' al, come through.

ChampionTexan
09-04-2011, 11:38 AM
I'd be weary of Avery.

Considering his injuries and the fact that st Louis needs receiving threats for their young qb.

I'm more inclined to roll with what we have at the wr position.

From what I understand, his 2011 salary is guaranteed, and while it's not all that big ($600-700K), that tells you even more about how the Rams viewed him.

DocBar
09-04-2011, 11:40 AM
Is anyone else concerned with the fact that we don't have a holder for FG's? That has been our punter the last couple of years, hasn't it?

The Pencil Neck
09-04-2011, 11:56 AM
Is anyone else concerned with the fact that we don't have a holder for FG's? That has been our punter the last couple of years, hasn't it?

Yes.

And it looked like Maynard was doing most of the holding during pre-season. I thought he had the job wrapped up because of that.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 12:02 PM
Is anyone else concerned with the fact that we don't have a holder for FG's? That has been our punter the last couple of years, hasn't it?

Graham held for Rackers in Arizona. Here's pic of them celebrating a Rackers FG together, in an NFC championship game. Graham also held for Feely.

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Ben+Graham+Neil+Rackers+NFC+Championship+Philadelp hia+uhkpyZroFX4l.jpg

RT22
09-04-2011, 12:08 PM
Rackers and Graham back together again I predict.

DocBar
09-04-2011, 12:22 PM
Graham held for Rackers in Arizona. Here's pic of them celebrating a Rackers FG together, in an NFC championship game. Graham also held for Feely.

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Ben+Graham+Neil+Rackers+NFC+Championship+Philadelp hia+uhkpyZroFX4l.jpgLooks like he's wearing parachute pants instead of football pants!! Is this pic from the early/mid 80's or what?
:rofl:

Hottoddie
09-04-2011, 12:25 PM
As for the fifth WR, I'm thinking the team will look for a veteran player that can still produce in a reserve role. What about Justin Gage or Laurent Robinson? Both look like they'd be upgrades over David Anderson.

http://www.nfl.com/player/justingage/2505497/profile

http://www.nfl.com/player/laurentrobinson/2495721/profile

Wolfiegrrl
09-04-2011, 12:26 PM
I wouldn't mind Ben Graham as our punter. His average over his career is 44.2 a game. Turk's was 42.4.

OzzO
09-04-2011, 12:26 PM
WR Donnie Avery was let go by the Rams.

Rams fans weren't sad to see him go, so perhaps not? (Of course, just visited one board, not sure they're the "experts".)

ramsrule.com (http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?5,157048,157048#msg-157048)

what good is speed when you can be easily covered by backup DBs and refuse to even try and block on running plays. Avery is gone for lack of effort. Speed is meaningless without that effort. It was plain as day during the Jags game how hard DX played every down and how lackadaisical Avery was about it - as if he expected to be given a roster spot instead of actually earning one.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 12:32 PM
looks like he's wearing parachute pants instead of football pants!! Is this pic from the early/mid 80's or what?
:rofl:

2009

DocBar
09-04-2011, 12:35 PM
2009I know...I was just trying to make a funny. Evidently it was a :faildetector:

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 01:03 PM
I know...I was just trying to make a funny. Evidently it was a :faildetector:

Nah..........I knew you were kidding..........just didn't know if someone else didn't.:handshake:

badboy
09-04-2011, 05:48 PM
could no tone of the back up QBs hold for kicker?

Hervoyel
09-04-2011, 06:16 PM
Why? If healthy Slaton can catch and he has been suggested to be a WR in some schemes. SOme called him a Reggie Bush type RB.


Yeah, but it wasn't meant as a compliment. ;)

Seriously though I think he has value and I'd like to see the Texans get something for him. Hopefully in a game early in the season we'll have a chance to put him out there and he shows up. Then, before the trade deadline we can get a pick for him or possibly even a player we could do something with.

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 07:26 PM
could no t one of the back up QBs hold for kicker?

yeah, they could...
but remember we lost Sage back in 2006 when he tried to make a tackle while on the FG team.

I'll bet Kubiak remembers. It left him having to stick out the year with Mr. Mittens after he (Gary) had realized he (Mr. Mittens) was substandard.

Not saying it can't happen, but we know how cautious GK is

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 11:00 PM
yeah, they could...
but remember we lost Sage back in 2006 when he tried to make a tackle while on the FG team.

I'll bet Kubiak remembers. It left him having to stick out the year with Mr. Mittens after he (Gary) had realized he (Mr. Mittens) was substandard.

Not saying it can't happen, but we know how cautious GK is

Too bad. In past years, it was so exciting to see QB holders pass on fake FG plays.

wildroot
09-04-2011, 11:16 PM
Didn't kubiak used to hold for Karlis in Denver?

ccdude730
09-04-2011, 11:24 PM
The decision over who is going to hold on FGs and XPs needs to be with Rackers and Marciano. Obviously Schaub should not a candidate, but I wouldnt think that this is a situation where the Head Coach just assigns it to an individual. It may be Leinart or Hartmann or Casey for all we know.




Or how about we just do a drop kick? OH YEAH! Who is with me on that?!
:bubbles:

DocBar
09-04-2011, 11:24 PM
Too bad. In past years, it was so exciting to see QB holders pass on fake FG plays.Much more fun and exciting when it was the other team doing it. Just pucker inducing when my team tried.

edo783
09-04-2011, 11:27 PM
The Swiss Army Knife of football players, James Casey, will probably wind up holding.

infantrycak
09-04-2011, 11:50 PM
The Swiss Army Knife of football players, James Casey, will probably wind up holding.

Dude can actually long snap. Wouldn't be surprised if he could hold. :kitten:

The Pencil Neck
09-05-2011, 10:26 AM
Too bad. In past years, it was so exciting to see QB holders pass on fake FG plays.

Actually, with the change in the emergency QB rules, I wouldn't be surprised if the 3rd QB on teams start being the holder. It makes sense. A guy that doesn't get a lot of reps in practice so he should have time to work with the special teams. A guy that you don't expect to play at all so at least you're getting some use out of him. AND a guy that gives you a threat of throwing the ball in a fake kick situation.

Trifecta.

prostock101
09-05-2011, 10:42 AM
Dude can actually long snap. Wouldn't be surprised if he could hold. :kitten:

I'm betting he could snap it to himself. And his new designation as the "Swiss Army Knife" of football players pretty much nailed it.

Shall we nickname him the "SAK"? Not married to it but the guy definitely deserves a cool name.

The Pencil Neck
09-05-2011, 10:48 AM
I'm betting he could snap it to himself. And his new designation as the "Swiss Army Knife" of football players pretty much nailed it.

Shall we nickname him the "SAK"? Not married to it but the guy definitely deserves a cool name.

His old Rice nickname -- Thor -- isn't cool enough?

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2011, 02:51 PM
Dude can actually long snap. Wouldn't be surprised if he could hold. :kitten:

Cak, you're right on!

From a nice Sports Illustrated write up:

Mighty Casey Returns (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/sioncampus/10/30/casey.rice/)
At 23, Rice freshman James Casey is making an impact
Posted: Tuesday October 30, 2007 1:51PM; Updated: Tuesday October 30, 2007 2:09PM

So far, Rice has gotten the most out of Casey. This season, he's played quarterback, wide receiver, tight end, slot receiver, defensive end, running back, and he's the holder on the field goal team and left guard on the punt team. In the Owls' nationally televised victory over Southern Miss, Casey caught two passes for 16 yards, rushed 12 times for 38 yards and was prominently featured on both defense and offense.

beerlover
09-05-2011, 03:16 PM
Dude can actually long snap. Wouldn't be surprised if he could hold. :kitten:

This is what I've been saying, along with Joel Dreesen, long snapping duties would be covered without using roster spot on LS (Weeks).

jaayteetx
09-05-2011, 03:18 PM
This is what I've been saying, along with Joel Dreesen, long snapping duties would be covered without using roster spot on LS (Weeks).

Problem is, should one get hurt then you have no proficient back up and that could very easily cost you a game.

The Pencil Neck
09-05-2011, 03:34 PM
This is what I've been saying, along with Joel Dreesen, long snapping duties would be covered without using roster spot on LS (Weeks).

You've got to look at those guys as contingencies to Weeks.

I think it's better and safer to have a dedicated LS and most teams do.

beerlover
09-05-2011, 04:38 PM
Understand issue. Let me ask then, what is Dressen & Casey roles moving forward? I feel, Garrett Graham trumps both as Texan back-up TE, just needs the reps which would lesson Dreesen reps & even though Joel sufferd a shoulder injury from long snapping in the past he could actually out perform Weeks. I've really warmed up to Casey as primary FB. He has been impressive, showing exceptional versatility, still would give Texans a soild back-up option to Joel. Duality is a plus in salary cap management along with talent acquisition & retainment. IMO this gives Kubiak added value/options.

ArlingtonTexan
09-05-2011, 05:00 PM
At some point teams found it more valuable to use three spots on a punter, kicker and long sanpper. These dudes largely make league minimums. Practice time for regular players no longer had to be worked in for practice holding and/or snapping. These three can spend time coordinating what they do to near perfection, to the point where there are only a few bad snaps around the entire league in a given week.

Every year there is a team or two that tries in some way to save the roster spot and more times than not go back to the current three stooges special team model. In short, specialization has bred better field goal kicking and punting across the board. That's why it done this way.

beerlover
09-05-2011, 05:21 PM
I'm not suggesting Texans special teams suck because of long snapper performance but it sucks regardless. I just don't see your three stooges model as applicable to this team with such cross functional TE depth & experience w/LS duties. Let's move forward with Garrett & let Joel take over then maybe find a difference maker @ WR/returner.

prostock101
09-05-2011, 05:32 PM
At some point teams found it more valuable to use three spots on a punter, kicker and long sanpper. These dudes largely make league minimums. Practice time for regular players no longer had to be worked in for practice holding and/or snapping. These three can spend time coordinating what they do to near perfection, to the point where there are only a few bad snaps around the entire league in a given week.

Every year there is a team or two that tries in some way to save the roster spot and more times than not go back to the current three stooges special team model. In short, specialization has bred better field goal kicking and punting across the board. That's why it done this way.

Not sure what an LS makes but pretty sure punters and kickers make a tad more. The avg is over 7 figures......

ArlingtonTexan
09-05-2011, 05:40 PM
Not sure what an LS makes but pretty sure punters and kickers make a tad more. The avg is over 7 figures......

just under $900,000

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/gallery/featured/GAL1141926/10/11/index.htm

ironically the other position TE

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/gallery/featured/GAL1141926/11/11/index.htm

DocBar
09-05-2011, 05:43 PM
Understand issue. Let me ask then, what is Dressen & Casey roles moving forward? I feel, Garrett Graham trumps both as Texan back-up TE, just needs the reps which would lesson Dreesen reps & even though Joel sufferd a shoulder injury from long snapping in the past he could actually out perform Weeks. I've really warmed up to Casey as primary FB. He has been impressive, showing exceptional versatility, still would give Texans a soild back-up option to Joel. Duality is a plus in salary cap management along with talent acquisition & retainment. IMO this gives Kubiak added value/options.I would keep the TE situation as is, keep Casey as Superman, keep a longsnapper and cut one of those bleeping DB's we keep clinging to.

ArlingtonTexan
09-05-2011, 05:48 PM
just under $900,000

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/gallery/featured/GAL1141926/10/11/index.htm

ironically the other position TE

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/gallery/featured/GAL1141926/11/11/index.htm

got this from wiki-answers which I hate use, but


An NFL Players Association report says the average salary for long snappers this season is $645,928. Most make near the minimum, but an NFL veteran of four to six seasons is assured $535,000 annually.



Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Salary_of_a_long_snapper_in_the_NFL#ix zz1X7Z3QxgH

ArlingtonTexan
09-05-2011, 06:00 PM
I'm not suggesting Texans special teams suck because of long snapper performance but it sucks regardless. I just don't see your three stooges model as applicable to this team with such cross functional TE depth & experience w/LS duties. Let's move forward with Garrett & let Joel take over then maybe find a difference maker @ WR/returner.

Remember, the Texans tried this already and went back to the three stooges model themselves, so they are not adverse to trying to manipulate that roster spot, but that experience may be a factor as to why they are not going to do it again.

Ironically, I think the depth at TE is why they are comfortable with at least starting the season with only 4 WRs.

The Pencil Neck
09-05-2011, 06:09 PM
There's a common theme of "let's save a roster spot and ditch the dedicated LS." The fact that teams try it but always seem to go back to the standard model means that there are dangers and minuses involved that we, the fans, overlook.

With all the ways that teams try to find guys who can play 2-3 different positions, if replacing the LS was as easy as it appears on the surface, it would already be the standard.

prostock101
09-05-2011, 06:12 PM
Starting to think the reason these other punters weren't brought in was due to cap space?

Obviously I'm just guessing because I understand Chinese better than I understand the cap system but maybe money is the driving factor at this point.

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2011, 06:20 PM
Starting to think the reason these other punters weren't brought in was due to cap space?

Obviously I'm just guessing because I understand Chinese better than I understand the cap system but maybe money is the driving factor at this point.

As of 1 week ago:

Jason La Canfora
Updated salary-cap space numbers for all 32 teams (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/08/29/updated-salary-cap-space-numbers-for-all-32-teams/)

Houston Texans: $2,216,564

prostock101
09-05-2011, 07:03 PM
As of 1 week ago:

Jason La Canfora
Updated salary-cap space numbers for all 32 teams (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/08/29/updated-salary-cap-space-numbers-for-all-32-teams/)

So, if that's not it. WTF? Why are we wasting time bringing back a guy we cut when there appear to be better options out there?

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2011, 07:22 PM
So, if that's not it. WTF? Why are we wasting time bringing back a guy we cut when there appear to be better options out there?


That's probably not including the $3 million veteran exemption. This would have to be deferred to another year......but if this is supposedly a "go for it" year, you could at least use part of it............

prostock101
09-05-2011, 07:42 PM
Makes my brain hurt........:headhurts:

ObsiWan
09-05-2011, 07:48 PM
So, if that's not it. WTF? Why are we wasting time bringing back a guy we cut when there appear to be better options out there?

That's probably not including the $3 million veteran exemption. This would have to be deferred to another year......but if this is supposedly a "go for it" year, you could at least use part of it............

Do you guys reeeally want to use the last of our salary cap room on a punter??
Seriously??

I'd rather wait and see where else we can improve our roster rather than burn any significant cash on a punter.

...like more quality O-line depth or a 5th WR for example....

badboy
09-05-2011, 08:08 PM
Guys there was a $3million exception in new CBA to go as a "cash benefit" to a player that has not been reported as used. Plus the $2m under the cap. Then we can borrow $3million from a future year. That's $8million without cutting anyone. If we want a player we can go get that player. I think Smithiak is waiting for other adjustments or a trrade to become available such as Asante Samuel. After first game, salaries are looked at a bit different for players coming aboard.

beerlover
09-06-2011, 08:56 AM
It would seem I've lost this battle but I refuse to lose the war. I usually put either a LS (Clint Gresham, LS 6-3 225 TCU Horned Frogs) or punter (Matt Boshar, P/PK 6-1 208 Miami Hurricanes) in the 7th rd. of my mock drafts, but the Texans prefer to SAVE picks for defensive/offensive positions. Yet they still need both & find themselves with tougher than need be roster decisions because they have to cut the more highly evaluated player over need position. This is the basis of my point, that if the LS or Punter was a better player the cuts wouldn't hurt as much not to mention the overall make-up of the active 53 better.

Texans finally did release Hill after drafting him three years ago in the 4th rd. but was it because he was always injured or quality of the depth @ his position? You know he was drafted as a replacement for Mark Bruener (who retired) as the blocking TE so he was supposed to be a specialist too, then they took Casey cause he was an excellent athlete & jack of all trades.

Matt Bosher now does the punting for Atlanta as well kickoffs. If Bryant struggles or gets hurt he can kick FG's too. Clint Gresham is LS for the Seattle Seahawks, with TE Zach Miller his back-up.