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prostock101
09-01-2011, 09:19 PM
Holiday looks like a little kid in the huddle.....

Cjeremy635
09-01-2011, 09:19 PM
Keo sucks.

Yes. Yes he does. He hasn't impressed me once this preseason.

CloakNNNdagger
09-01-2011, 09:20 PM
Tacks laying it on the Saints 32 to 0.............Locker 15/17 for 132.

Of course, it's only preseason.......and 4th game

Carr Bombed
09-01-2011, 09:20 PM
I'm sorry, but Shiloh Keo sucks. He's a 5th round pick that needs to be cut. He has no place on this team. He's horrible on defense and STs and for a guy who's supposed strong point was tackling/hitting...he can't hit or freaking tackle. He sucks.

Cjeremy635
09-01-2011, 09:20 PM
What has the commercial done to you!?!?! It couldn't be THAT bad? :vincepalm:

That commercial is annoying as ****!

ObsiWan
09-01-2011, 09:22 PM
I'll ask again....

have you seen enough of T. J. Yates yet?

Pantherstang84
09-01-2011, 09:22 PM
Where did they get this Wade Phillips guy? His defense is horrible. :sarcasm:

MEGA SWATT
09-01-2011, 09:22 PM
That commercial is annoying as ****!

This^

CloakNNNdagger
09-01-2011, 09:22 PM
Graham has some hands.

MEGA SWATT
09-01-2011, 09:23 PM
Zach Pauga sux

That 3rd string #13 bastard really really sux.

Rackers is sucking too.

ObsiWan
09-01-2011, 09:23 PM
Bye, bye #70

badboy
09-01-2011, 09:24 PM
Pembetton got man handled on a sack of Yates.Need someone to review that as the only one I saw was Newton. Maybe my eyes were not on the play you mention but the announcers called out New as playing too high on the sack I saw.

Carr Bombed
09-01-2011, 09:24 PM
I'll ask again....

have you seen enough of T. J. Yates yet?

Actually no I haven't. For a late round pick he's a decent prospect in this system and I would like to see what he could do with better talent around him. He's a rookie and a good developmental project for the future.

burro
09-01-2011, 09:25 PM
Actually no I haven't. For a late round pick he's a decent prospect in this system and I would like to see what he could do with better talent around him. He's a rookie and a good development project for the future.

This.

Rey
09-01-2011, 09:26 PM
Zach Pauga sux

That 3rd string #13 bastard really really sux.

Rackers is sucking too.

To be fair that was not a good throw by Yates.

Pantherstang84
09-01-2011, 09:26 PM
Why are the fans in Minn. stirred up all of a sudden?

MEGA SWATT
09-01-2011, 09:27 PM
Where did they get this Wade Phillips guy? His defense is horrible. :sarcasm:

STFU :boxing::banme:jk:

Rey
09-01-2011, 09:28 PM
Need someone to review that as the only one I saw was Newton. Maybe my eyes were not on the play you mention but the announcers called out New as playing too high on the sack I saw.

I'm recording the game and will go back to see, but newton is black and pem is white. I dont think I got them confused.

Mr. Texan
09-01-2011, 09:28 PM
trinton :vincepalm:

CloakNNNdagger
09-01-2011, 09:28 PM
http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/miscpics_photos/Misc/24619-bob_denver.jpg


MY PUNT DIDN'T GO SO FAR, DID IT?

badboy
09-01-2011, 09:29 PM
I'm recording the game and will go back to see, but newton is black and pem is white. I dont think I got them confused.

Cool, let me know what you see. Not calling anyone out, I just missed the sack allowed by Pemberton.

ObsiWan
09-01-2011, 09:30 PM
Actually no I haven't. For a late round pick he's a decent prospect in this system and I would like to see what he could do with better talent around him. He's a rookie and a good developmental project for the future.

If you say so.
The talent around him didn't make him fumble or throw that pick into double coverage.

...now that drop by Graham is on Graham; that pass hit him in the hands.

Pantherstang84
09-01-2011, 09:30 PM
STFU :boxing::banme:jk:

While we're at it. The offense needs to be blown up too. They can't even score against the Vikings. again... :sarcasm:

MEGA SWATT
09-01-2011, 09:31 PM
To be fair that was not a good throw by Yates.

Ok, but I said the 3rd stringer sucked too.:gun:

Rey
09-01-2011, 09:32 PM
Cool, let me know what you see. Not calling anyone out, I just missed the sack allowed by Pemberton.

No problem, but I'm pretty sure it was pem now that I'm looking. He's at rt and that was the guy who got beat on that particular play.

Ryan
09-01-2011, 09:32 PM
If our 3rd stringers have to play we're screwed.

Rey
09-01-2011, 09:33 PM
Dang keo making the safety cuts easy. Always falling backwards. Needs to get a lot stronger.

houstonspartan
09-01-2011, 09:35 PM
http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/miscpics_photos/misc/24619-bob_denver.jpg


my punt didn't go so far, did it?

lmao!!!!

Rey
09-01-2011, 09:35 PM
Ok, but I said the 3rd stringer sucked too.:gun:

Had no clue what third stringer you were talking about.

michaelm
09-01-2011, 09:35 PM
Man, we have a wealth of talent at TE.
OD
Dreessen
Graham
errr... Dorin Dickerson...

michaelm
09-01-2011, 09:36 PM
WR Bryant Johnson made the team today (IMO).

MEGA SWATT
09-01-2011, 09:37 PM
Here comes another 7 points :vincepalm::scarygirl:

Rey
09-01-2011, 09:38 PM
WR Bryant Johnson made the team today (IMO).

Yep, and keo got cut.

ObsiWan
09-01-2011, 09:38 PM
Here comes another 7 points :vincepalm::scarygirl:

The over/under is they score in 4 more plays....

I'm taking the under

burro
09-01-2011, 09:40 PM
Dang keo making the safety cuts easy. Always falling backwards. Needs to get a lot stronger.

...on someone else's dime. If Keo makes the squad at the cost of Obanna...etc, or someone else of value then I will be disappointed.

ObsiWan
09-01-2011, 09:41 PM
that's one.....

aussie_texan
09-01-2011, 09:41 PM
in your opinions, anyone stand out (or drop off) at CB and S.

Keo didnt look good.

any other thoughts,
what about demps??
did barber play??
thoughts on McManis??

etc!!

Carr Bombed
09-01-2011, 09:41 PM
If you say so.
The talent around him didn't make him fumble or throw that pick into double coverage.

...now that drop by Graham is on Graham; that pass hit him in the hands.

No, but the protection sure as hell made him fumble and how the heck are we going to condemn a 5th round "developmental QB" draft pick after just 1 half of play? ...Seriously, what does "developmental" mean again. This guy wasn't drafted to be a backup this season...hell he wasn't drafted to do anything this season. There's a reason why we drafted him late. I'm actually more worried about Matt Lienart.

MEGA SWATT
09-01-2011, 09:41 PM
The over/under is they score in 4 more plays....

I'm taking the under

:spit:

CloakNNNdagger
09-01-2011, 09:43 PM
in your opinions, anyone stand out (or drop off) at cb and s.

Keo didnt look good.

Any other thoughts,
what about demps??
Did barber play??
Thoughts on mcmanis??

Etc!!

mcmanis is in.

Batman looked bad man

MEGA SWATT
09-01-2011, 09:43 PM
Here comes another 7 points :vincepalm::scarygirl:

I hate being right.:kubepalm::perfect10:

ObsiWan
09-01-2011, 09:44 PM
No, but the protection sure as hell made him fumble and how the heck are we going to condemn a 5th round "developmental QB" draft pick after just 1 half of play? ...Seriously, what does "developmental" mean again. This guy wasn't drafted to be a backup this season...hell he wasn't drafted to do anything this season. There's a reason why we drafted him late. I'm actually more worried about Matt Lienart.

Do you think they'll stash him on the P/S or make him one of the 53?

Mr. Texan
09-01-2011, 09:47 PM
fire kubiak!























just kidding. :kitten:

Carr Bombed
09-01-2011, 09:47 PM
Here comes another 7 points :vincepalm::scarygirl:

There's no need to get upset over it? There's only a handful of players from tonight's game that are going to make the final roster. LOL at all the doom and gloomers.

ObsiWan
09-01-2011, 09:47 PM
Why didn't the give Williams a few more carries??

ObsiWan
09-01-2011, 09:49 PM
There's no need to get upset over it? There's only a handful of players from tonight's game that are going to make the final roster. LOL at all the doom and gloomers.

Not being a "doom & gloomer"... and I really didn't expect a lot from Yates. He's a "project"... I get that.

Carr Bombed
09-01-2011, 09:51 PM
Do you think they'll stash him on the P/S or make him one of the 53?

He's going to make the 53 man roster... if they try to stash him somebody will snatch him up. (He's a QB) Sorry, but T.J. Yates will be on the 53 man roster and Houston will carry 3 QBs this year.

michaelm
09-01-2011, 09:51 PM
He's going to make the 53 man roster... if they try to stash him somebody will snatch him up. Sorry, but T.J. Yates will be on the 53 man roster and Houston will carry 3 QBs this year.

Agreed.

MEGA SWATT
09-01-2011, 09:53 PM
There's no need to get upset over it? There's only a handful of players from tonight's game that are going to make the final roster. LOL at all the doom and gloomers.

It was sarcasm bro....:kitten:

ObsiWan
09-01-2011, 09:53 PM
He's going to make the 53 man roster... if they try to stash him somebody will snatch him up. Sorry, but T.J. Yates will be on the 53 man roster and Houston will carry 3 QBs this year.

You're probably right because Kubiak likes those project QBs. He looked a lot better against the Jets than he did tonight. Based on the Jets game he's a keeper. Based on tonight, not so much. Just my :twocents:

DocBar
09-01-2011, 09:54 PM
in your opinions, anyone stand out (or drop off) at CB and S.

Keo didnt look good.

any other thoughts,
what about demps??
did barber play??
thoughts on McManis??

etc!!Some of us, ME, thought all of Phillips' draft choices would be great. OOPS!!!

Cjeremy635
09-01-2011, 09:55 PM
Why didn't the give Williams a few more carries??

Is that the kid that made the last run? If so, I thought the same thing. That was one hell of a first run. Maybe he didn't practice well? Who knows how they make their decisions.....

fiasco west
09-01-2011, 09:57 PM
So I guess this is the end for Slaton, I do hope Holiday makes the team.

michaelm
09-01-2011, 10:04 PM
I don't know exactly why, but I had a feeling of confidence watching Bryant Johnson, both catching the ball, and running after the catch.
I don't think he's a game changer by any means, but he seemed to fit in very naturally, and he seems like he can be a decent posession receiver. I think he might eventually steal some of Walter's snaps.
That's just a gut reaction based on limited playing time, but I just have a good feeling about him playing a roll on this team.

Honoring Earl 34
09-01-2011, 10:14 PM
After watching the game , we are thin on both lines . Butler and Caldwell will be back so that's good . DL ... We need a couple of more from the waiver wire .

Braman over Nading .

Carr Bombed
09-01-2011, 10:15 PM
It was sarcasm bro....:kitten:

Well a "facepalm" isn't the best "sarcasm" smile. This site has like 4 different "facepalm" smiles...and non of them are positive. Next time try to be more clear. :)


For instance... there's nothing "sarcastic" about this post..

Here comes another 7 points :vincepalm::scarygirl:

Mainly because this is what was actually happening, you need to go see what the word "sarcastic" means again.

Rey
09-01-2011, 10:21 PM
He's going to make the 53 man roster... if they try to stash him somebody will snatch him up. (He's a QB) Sorry, but T.J. Yates will be on the 53 man roster and Houston will carry 3 QBs this year.

I disagree that someone will snatch him up and I think it's a very good chance he is put on the PS.

michaelm
09-01-2011, 10:27 PM
I disagree that someone will snatch him up and I think it's a very good chance he is put on the PS.

I could see it going either way, but I think you could be right.
I'm not so sure that many other teams would be willing to take him knowing that they have to put him on their active roster.

Rey
09-01-2011, 10:33 PM
I could see it going either way, but I think you could be right.
I'm not so sure that many other teams would be willing to take him knowing that they have to put him on their active roster.

I just think that lots of teams have end if the roster developmental guys and I dont think Yates is anything special to where teams are going to be licking their chops to put him on their active roster.

Look at the Vikings with web behind mcnabb and ponder. Lots of teams draft late round qb's or bring in udfa guys that they are high on. I don't see many teams willing to commit a roster spot to Yates no matter how valuable we think he is. If he was such a value commodity and teams were convinced he was worth a roster spot I think he'd have been drafted earlier.

Jmo.

Carr Bombed
09-01-2011, 10:35 PM
I disagree that someone will snatch him up and I think it's a very good chance he is put on the PS.

If he's put on a wavier wire, someone will snatch him up. There's plenty of teams looking for QBs.

fiasco west
09-01-2011, 10:36 PM
I thought teams could carry 3 QBs and have it not count against a roster spot. If so then Yates is on the team.

Rey
09-01-2011, 10:41 PM
If he's put on a wavier wire, someone will snatch him up. There's plenty of teams looking for QBs.

So because teams are looking for qb's they are going to be interested in any young qb that hits the waiver wire?

Maybe you think Yates is that good, but if teams were committed to giving him a roster spot he'd have been drafted earlier IMO.

Dude was a fifth rd pick. Let's not act like we're trying to sneak colt McCoy onto the practice squad.

I really don't think he is on other teams radar to where they are going to commit a roster spot on him.

Rey
09-01-2011, 10:42 PM
I thought teams could carry 3 QBs and have it not count against a roster spot. If so then Yates is on the team.

My understanding is that the roster has been expanded to 54, but the extra player doesn't have to be a qb.

GP
09-01-2011, 10:43 PM
I disagree that someone will snatch him up and I think it's a very good chance he is put on the PS.

Rey, that's how it should go down. I agree.

But I think the only flaw is the ever-present situation of "WHAT IF" Kubiak decides to keep 3 guys on the 53?

By all means, he would sneak through to the PS...he hasn't flashed enough that another team would grab him. A team would have to sign him to THEIR active roster to grab him off our own PS. I don't see anybody doing that...except that sneaky Bud Adams who likes to sign our guys to reveal our plays/tactics/etc.

speedfreek
09-01-2011, 10:44 PM
to sum it up: stinky.

Man we ain't deep at all. Injuries could really hurt
us this year

TJ

Carr Bombed
09-01-2011, 10:47 PM
Maybe you think Yates is that good, but if teams were committed to giving him a roster spot he'd have been drafted earlier IMO.

The guy was drafted in the 5th round......that's almost roster spot worthy, so he got drafted right where he should've been. If drafted any earlier he'd all but guaranteed a #2 backup QB spot. The guy was drafted right where he needed to be, which pretty much guarantees him a 53 man roster spot.

Rey
09-01-2011, 10:47 PM
Rey, that's how it should go down. I agree.

But I think the only flaw is the ever-present situation of "WHAT IF" Kubiak decides to keep 3 guys on the 53?

By all means, he would sneak through to the PS...he hasn't flashed enough that another team would grab him. A team would have to sign him to THEIR active roster to grab him off our own PS. I don't see anybody doing that...except that sneaky Bud Adams who likes to sign our guys to reveal our plays/tactics/etc.

Oh I agree that there is a good chance that kubiak will keep him on the active.

But I'm hopeful that he won't and will use the spot on another position where more depth is premium.

Carr Bombed
09-01-2011, 10:47 PM
Maybe you think Yates is that good, but if teams were committed to giving him a roster spot he'd have been drafted earlier IMO.

The guy was drafted in the 5th round, that's pretty much roster spot worthy...so he got drafted right where he should've been. If drafted any earlier he'd all but be guaranteed a #2 backup QB spot. The guy was drafted right where he was rated, which pretty much guarantees him a 53 man roster spot, but a developmental role nonetheless.

GP
09-01-2011, 10:50 PM
My understanding is that the roster has been expanded to 54, but the extra player doesn't have to be a qb.

Almost correct.

Your roster can be 53 only. But out of the 53 guys, every week you designate a GAME DAY roster you plan to use on the upcoming game.

The game day roster is set at 45 guys out of your 53. The other 8 guys are inactive and are not on the sideline during the game. Prior to this year, your 46th guy was a 3rd string "emergency QB." I'll explain more here:

Until last year, you could carry 45 guys and ONE MORE QB that served as an emergency QB. However, if your starter is hurt and the 2nd QB gets hurt, and therefore you put the 3rd QB into the game prior to the 4th quarter, then neither the 1st QB nor the 2nd QB could re-enter the game. You'd have to stick out the game with your 3rd QB the whole way to the end of that game.

This year, with the new CBA deal, they removed the strict rules and said "Look, you can have 46 guys and that 46th guy can be whomever you want. Even if it's a 3rd QB, the old rules for him no longer apply."

Hope that makes sense.

Rey
09-01-2011, 10:51 PM
The guy was drafted in the 5th round......that's almost roster spot worthy, so he got drafted right where he should've been. If drafted any earlier he'd all but guaranteed a #2 backup QB spot. The guy was drafted right where he needed to be, which pretty much guarantees him a 53 man roster spot.

I think you missed my point.

I'm not arguing against his draft position or saying he sucks.

What I'm saying is that if teams were that high in him to where they'd guarantee him a roster spot for some portion of the regular season, he'd have been drafted higher IMO.

I'm not even saying no one would grab him. What I'm saying is that I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that someone would. I think it's very likely that he would last on the ps all year.

I think that "risk" would be worth it to keep an extra db, lb, or rb.

Carr Bombed
09-01-2011, 10:59 PM
I think you missed my point.

I'm not arguing against his draft position or saying he sucks.

What I'm saying is that if teams were that high in him to where they'd guarantee him a roster spot for some portion of the regular season, he'd have been drafted higher IMO.

I'm not even saying no one would grab him. What I'm saying is that I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that someone would. I think it's very likely that he would last on the ps all year.

I think that "risk" would be worth it to keep an extra db, lb, or rb.

Actually I think you missed my point. The majority of NFL teams keep 3 QBs and the majority of NFL teams don't draft their 3rd QB until after the 5th round. They tend to carry a 3rd QB on their roster. So T.J. Yates was not drafted higher than he should've been, because he's a 3rd string QB prospect. He went in a good spot and will be on this 53 man roster..despite even after being drafted in the 5th round, because that's where 3rd string QBs tend to go.

Rey
09-01-2011, 11:05 PM
Actually I think you missed my point. The majority of NFL teams keep 3 QBs. and the majority of NFL teams don't draft their 3rd QB until after the 5th round.....and they carry a 3rd QB on their roster. So T.J. Yates was not drafted higher than he should've been. He went in a good spot and will be on this 53 man roster..despite even after being drafting in the 5th round, because that's where 3rd string QBs tend to go.

What are you talking about? I never said he was drafted higher than he should have been. I never even implied that.

And I disagree with your out of thin air take on where 3rd qb's normally go. Sounds like something you made up typing the post with nothing to back it up. I think most 5th round qb's end up cut and on practice squads.

And I have no idea how many qb's teams around the nfl normally carry. But I have seen a lot of good teams with upper tier qb's only carry two.

But it's pretty obvious you aren't reading my post, so this is a good stopping point for me.

dtran04
09-01-2011, 11:09 PM
It's a small sample but none of the teams the Texans played in the preseason would even think about snatching Yates. All of them already have 2nd string QBs.

Don't think you would waste a roster spot for a 3rd QB who didn't go to camp with you.

Carr Bombed
09-01-2011, 11:17 PM
What are you talking about? I never said he was drafted higher than he should have been. I never even implied that.

LMAO and when did I ever say you did..

And I disagree with your out of thin air take on where 3rd qb's normally go. Sounds like something you made up typing the post with nothing to back it up.

LOL.... where do you think #3 QB are generally drafted at? :) Because whether you believe me or not, I guarantee you 3rd string QBs are generally drafted from the 5th round on...if you really want to get into the "research" aspect of this, you won't come out on the positive side of it. 3rd string QBs are low draft picks and I hate to break that to you, but the majority of teams in this league carry 3.

Vinny
09-01-2011, 11:51 PM
My two biggest impressions from this game are that Ponder has incredible pocket feel, much better feet than I thought (impressive game speed as well), and looks mature beyond his years...If he keeps developing, the Vikings have a quarterback of the future. I'm impressed.

Keo isn't an NFL player. I'd pass a hat around, send him to the store for some beer, then quickly load everyone on the plane and try to take off without him. Beyond disappointing, he was awful.

Cjeremy635
09-02-2011, 08:06 AM
My two biggest impressions from this game are that Ponder has incredible pocket feel, much better feet than I thought (impressive game speed as well), and looks mature beyond his years...If he keeps developing, the Vikings have a quarterback of the future. I'm impressed.

Keo isn't an NFL player. I'd pass a hat around, send him to the store for some beer, then quickly load everyone on the plane and try to take off without him. Beyond disappointing, he was awful.

:spit: I have to agree with ya there Vinny.


I felt the same thing about Ponder. That kid is elusive. I don't know how fast he is off the field, but is game speed was really good. There were numerous times we had him and then he broke free and made a nice gain, I was impressed with him.

hobie
09-02-2011, 08:11 AM
My two biggest impressions from this game are that Ponder has incredible pocket feel, much better feet than I thought (impressive game speed as well), and looks mature beyond his years...If he keeps developing, the Vikings have a quarterback of the future. I'm impressed.

Keo isn't an NFL player. I'd pass a hat around, send him to the store for some beer, then quickly load everyone on the plane and try to take off without him. Beyond disappointing, he was awful.

Yeah, I agree as well. I was texting a friend last night about him and his game, and he told me that it was vs. 2-3rd stringers.. I said it doesn't matter, he has good legs and is aware of what is happening around him.. Would he have been able to outrun Mario, that is if he ever got close to him, I don't know, but he does for sure have pocket presence !!

Honoring Earl 34
09-02-2011, 08:36 AM
My two biggest impressions from this game are that Ponder has incredible pocket feel, much better feet than I thought (impressive game speed as well), and looks mature beyond his years...If he keeps developing, the Vikings have a quarterback of the future. I'm impressed.

Keo isn't an NFL player. I'd pass a hat around, send him to the store for some beer, then quickly load everyone on the plane and try to take off without him. Beyond disappointing, he was awful.

Ponder is smart and athletic . The only knock on him was he's had some injuries .

On a side note . Ponder is a Texas boy who went to FSU . You would think the UT or A&M ulumni could scrape up enough cash to keep him here .

CloakNNNdagger
09-02-2011, 08:45 AM
My two biggest impressions from this game are that Ponder has incredible pocket feel, much better feet than I thought (impressive game speed as well), and looks mature beyond his years...If he keeps developing, the Vikings have a quarterback of the future. I'm impressed.

Keo isn't an NFL player. I'd pass a hat around, send him to the store for some beer, then quickly load everyone on the plane and try to take off without him. Beyond disappointing, he was awful.

Before everyone gets too impressed with Ponder (and I do admit, he did LOOK impressive), it may well be a good idea to review in comparison his stats in preseason games 2 and 3 against Seattle and Dallas (http://www.nfl.com/player/christianponder/2495215/profile). Somehow, his good play begins looking like more of an indictment of how badly the Texans 2nd, 3rd and beyond defensive players really played as a team. I watched the Dallas game last week. In context, he looked more like Yates did this week, rather than the Pro Bowl candidate playing against the Texans.

Doppelganger
09-02-2011, 08:48 AM
My two biggest impressions from this game are that Ponder has incredible pocket feel, much better feet than I thought (impressive game speed as well), and looks mature beyond his years...If he keeps developing, the Vikings have a quarterback of the future. I'm impressed.

Keo isn't an NFL player. I'd pass a hat around, send him to the store for some beer, then quickly load everyone on the plane and try to take off without him. Beyond disappointing, he was awful.

Pretty good summation. The only thing I disagree about with Ponder needs to learn to slide or get out of bounds. There were a few times he could have been really rocked had he played a hard hitting aggressive D like Blitzberg. The NFL is a rough game and if he continues to run like he did last night, he may not make it through many seasons.

Keo has looked pretty poor from the first preseaon game. He has looked poor as a Safety and on special teams. The idea was that he would need to be a dynamite ST player to make the team. I think he is cut. He has done zilch to impress anyone, so I think he finds his way onto the PS.

CloakNNNdagger
09-02-2011, 01:05 PM
Another thing about Ponder’s “success.” It appeared as if the Texans D tried to focus their efforts in the middle, forgetting all about the concept of outside “containment.”

Vinny
09-02-2011, 02:45 PM
Keo has looked pretty poor from the first preseaon game. He has looked poor as a Safety and on special teams. The idea was that he would need to be a dynamite ST player to make the team. I think he is cut. He has done zilch to impress anyone, so I think he finds his way onto the PS. Keo doesn't deserve a PS place imo, when he arrives he is a pitiful tackler. He was run over at the goal line once, completely missed the back another time at the goal line, and a friggin' fullback juked him in the open field for a big gain. CC Brown is ten times the player Keo is.

Another thing about Ponder’s “success.” It appeared as if the Texans D tried to focus their efforts in the middle, forgetting all about the concept of outside “containment.”
when the OLB's started to take better angles after Wade lit them up at halftime (you can plainly see Nading and the others set the edge better after the half), Ponder made the throws when he couldn't run. Bottom line is he didn't take the sack, negative play or get the ball knocked out like Yates (you can tell that Yates and Ponder are worlds apart as far as dealing with a NFL rush), or a lesser QB (Carr, Smith, etc.) The kid was very impressive.

badboy
09-02-2011, 02:56 PM
Almost correct.

Your roster can be 53 only. But out of the 53 guys, every week you designate a GAME DAY roster you plan to use on the upcoming game.

The game day roster is set at 45 guys out of your 53. The other 8 guys are inactive and are not on the sideline during the game. Prior to this year, your 46th guy was a 3rd string "emergency QB." I'll explain more here:

Until last year, you could carry 45 guys and ONE MORE QB that served as an emergency QB. However, if your starter is hurt and the 2nd QB gets hurt, and therefore you put the 3rd QB into the game prior to the 4th quarter, then neither the 1st QB nor the 2nd QB could re-enter the game. You'd have to stick out the game with your 3rd QB the whole way to the end of that game.

This year, with the new CBA deal, they removed the strict rules and said "Look, you can have 46 guys and that 46th guy can be whomever you want. Even if it's a 3rd QB, the old rules for him no longer apply."

Hope that makes sense.I'd like to add that my understanding is the 3rd QB (Yates) can come in, play and then be replaced by Schaub later. One of the NFL teams used up all QBs last season but under old rules could not bring back #1 or #2 who might have recovered from a stinger, or a tackle or
whatever.

CloakNNNdagger
09-02-2011, 04:42 PM
Keo doesn't deserve a PS place imo, when he arrives he is a pitiful tackler. He was run over at the goal line once, completely missed the back another time at the goal line, and a friggin' fullback juked him in the open field for a big gain. CC Brown is ten times the player Keo is.


when the OLB's started to take better angles after Wade lit them up at halftime (you can plainly see Nading and the others set the edge better after the half), Ponder made the throws when he couldn't run. Bottom line is he didn't take the sack, negative play or get the ball knocked out like Yates (you can tell that Yates and Ponder are worlds apart as far as dealing with a NFL rush), or a lesser QB (Carr, Smith, etc.) The kid was very impressive.

No argument there.

Shaft75
09-02-2011, 04:43 PM
No argument there.

I agree. Must spread rep.

CloakNNNdagger
09-02-2011, 04:50 PM
Keo doesn't deserve a PS place imo, when he arrives he is a pitiful tackler. He was run over at the goal line once, completely missed the back another time at the goal line, and a friggin' fullback juked him in the open field for a big gain. CC Brown is ten times the player Keo is.


when the OLB's started to take better angles after Wade lit them up at halftime (you can plainly see Nading and the others set the edge better after the half), Ponder made the throws when he couldn't run. Bottom line is he didn't take the sack, negative play or get the ball knocked out like Yates (you can tell that Yates and Ponder are worlds apart as far as dealing with a NFL rush), or a lesser QB (Carr, Smith, etc.) The kid was very impressive.

Wonder what accounts for his passer rating against the Seattle (2nd game) and Dallas (3rd game) D being around 65 going to over 96 against our D. Still makes me wonder somehow.

Vinny
09-02-2011, 05:19 PM
Wonder what accounts for his passer rating against the Seattle (2nd game) and Dallas (3rd game) D being around 65 going to over 96 against our D. Still makes me wonder somehow.
Young, no camp. It's hard enough on the other rooks, but most of the skill guys depend on the QB to feed them the ball and know where they are going to be. Pretty tough learning curve. Ponder may not work out long term since this is just a snapshot, but I liked what I saw from a young qb. We never saw that kind of poise from you know who, so I won't say it.

disaacks3
09-02-2011, 05:22 PM
Wonder what accounts for his passer rating against the Seattle (2nd game) and Dallas (3rd game) D being around 65 going to over 96 against our D. Still makes me wonder somehow.

I wasn't thrilled either, but I kept telling myself that this was the "Scrub Bowl", and we could expect much better from our starters...not only due to talent, but reps in the new system.

Rey
09-02-2011, 06:56 PM
I'm rewatching the game right now. Will post observations as I see them. Ten mins left in the second quarter.

So far, dorin looks like he is scared to make a play. On the reverse they gave to him he looked like he was looking for contact. He has good speed but he looked tentative when defenders entered the picture.

Adibi and dobbins have looked about the same so far.

Tim bulman is having a good game. He has played quite a bit of nose and has done a good job.

The big white guy that was playing on the nose made a good play that the tv guys gave scooter berry for on the first or second drive for the vikes. Can't think of his name right now.

I remember why I disliked McCain so much last year. Lack of physicality. And I don't think he is so great at coverage that it makes up for it.

Rey
09-02-2011, 07:08 PM
Ponder looks like he's on a different level than everyone else out there on the field. If mcnabb struggles, it's not going to be pretty for him.

CloakNNNdagger
09-02-2011, 07:19 PM
Ponder looks like he's on a different level than everyone else out there on the field. If mcnabb struggles, it's not going to be pretty for him.

For Ponder or McNabb?

Rey
09-02-2011, 08:06 PM
For Ponder or McNabb?

Poorly worded, but for mcnabb.

CloakNNNdagger
09-02-2011, 08:40 PM
Poorly worded, but for mcnabb.

Thanks for the clarification.:handshake:

Kimmy
09-04-2011, 08:50 PM
So I just got back from vacation so I missed the game; I did see the final score. Now the game is on NFL Replay in about 10 minutes. Is it even worth watching??

Rey
09-04-2011, 09:25 PM
So I just got back from vacation so I missed the game; I did see the final score. Now the game is on NFL Replay in about 10 minutes. Is it even worth watching??

I'm watching it now and it's cool to see the game from the Vikings broadcast. Getting to see a lot of things I didn't see before.

Vinny
09-04-2011, 11:34 PM
So I just got back from vacation so I missed the game; I did see the final score. Now the game is on NFL Replay in about 10 minutes. Is it even worth watching??if you can't find a way to get to sleep.