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GlassHalfFull
08-30-2011, 06:01 AM
Texas A&M has notified the Big 12 it will withdraw from the conference, according to a newspaper report.

The New York Times said in a story posted on its website Monday night that Texas A&M President R. Bowen Loftin sent a letter to Missouri Chancellor and Big 12 board chairman Brady Deaton to inform the league it was leaving. The report cited two unidentified college officials with direct knowledge of the decision.

link (http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Report-A-M-notifies-Big-12-it-will-withdraw-2146584.php)

Just thought this deserves its own thread. I was against the move when I first heard about it last year, but the more I learned and understood about how the Big 12 was set up, the more I began to agree with the move.

Gig 'em Ags

TEXANRED
08-30-2011, 07:07 AM
link (http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Report-A-M-notifies-Big-12-it-will-withdraw-2146584.php)

Just thought this deserves its own thread. I was against the move when I first heard about it last year, but the more I learned and understood about how the Big 12 was set up, the more I began to agree with the move.

Gig 'em Ags

Now maybe they can keep our Texas kids in Texas instead of heading off to LSU.

djohn2oo8
08-30-2011, 08:39 AM
Now maybe they can keep our Texas kids in Texas instead of heading off to LSU.

:vincepalm:SEC recruiting is cutthroat. Before they were just competing with OU and Texas for in state recruiting. Now they open up the pipeline to an entire conference. Kids not only consider the conference, they want the atmosphere of a campus too.

Dutchrudder
08-30-2011, 09:14 AM
A&M better make it to a BCS bowl this year, or it's going to be a looooooooong time until they get to one...

MojoMan
08-30-2011, 09:33 AM
Not so fast. It appears the NY Times may have been premature in its reporting once again.

Aggies counter report they're leaving Big 12 (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Aggies-counter-report-they-re-leaving-Big-12-2147231.php)

Texas A&M says it has not sent a letter of withdrawal to the Big 12 Conference.

The brief statement by school spokesman Jason Cook in College Station, Texas, comes a day after The New York Times said in a story posted on its Web site Monday night that university President R. Bowen Loftin sent a letter to Missouri Chancellor and Big 12 board chairman Brady Deaton to inform the league it was leaving. The report cited two unidentified college officials with direct knowledge of the decision.

The university said Monday it had received a letter from Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe outlining the withdrawal procedure should the Aggies decide to leave the league.

The Aggies are interested in joining the Southeastern Conference. Last week they formally told Beebe they are exploring their options and asked for the conference to outline the process if they decide to leave.

Dutchrudder
08-30-2011, 11:14 AM
Not so fast. It appears the NY Times may have been premature in its reporting once again.

Awwwww, do you miss us already? :D

Stemp
08-30-2011, 12:02 PM
A&M has already notified the Big 12 they are leaving and looking elsewhere. The "notification" was a phone call to the Mizzou president and Big 12 chairman letting him know A&M was applying to the SEC.

MojoMan
08-30-2011, 12:23 PM
Awwwww, do you miss us already? :D

What?

pbat488
08-31-2011, 10:18 AM
by the way, this premature notification report from NYT and Chip Brown was from someone at texags realizing they were getting their information from liucci's premium board, so they created a fake username and posted and literally less than five minutes later both thamel and brown had sent out the same tweet.

here's a screengrab I took of the initial post because as I was reading it the thread was deleted and I didn't know why until reading some other posts just now..

http://i55.tinypic.com/23hq79x.png

letter was officially sent today by the way, explaining we will leave to another conference if that opportunity arises. basically the same thing nebraska did last year before moving to big 10.

Doppelganger
08-31-2011, 11:24 AM
A&M better make it to a BCS bowl this year, or it's going to be a looooooooong time until they get to one...

Oh yeah. Outside of the past couple of years, A&M struggled in the Big XII. If they join the SEC, it looks like they go to the west. That means every year they get Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, LSU. Ole Miss, and Miss State. That's half of their schedule. Then throw in 3 of the following 6: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt. THAT is a very rough schedule. There are no Baylors, Iowa States, etc on that schedule.

I think A&M are gonna have to like the money they will make, becuase they won't be doing a whole lot of winning in the SEC. They may even struggle to be bowl eligible some years.

Dutchrudder
08-31-2011, 01:23 PM
Oh yeah. Outside of the past couple of years, A&M struggled in the Big XII. If they join the SEC, it looks like they go to the west. That means every year they get Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, LSU. Ole Miss, and Miss State. That's half of their schedule. Then throw in 3 of the following 6: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt. THAT is a very rough schedule. There are no Baylors, Iowa States, etc on that schedule.

I think A&M are gonna have to like the money they will make, becuase they won't be doing a whole lot of winning in the SEC. They may even struggle to be bowl eligible some years.

Yeah, I agree, no question. I'd like to think the Aggies have it in them to compete with those programs, but I know they don't. We don't have the money, the coaching prestige, the facilities or the questionable recruiting practices necessary to compete with these programs. We are so far away from being at the caliber of these programs that I doubt we will hit 10 wins in any season in the SEC within the first 8 years. I think this move will be a disaster for A&M and we will become the Baylor/ISU/KU of the SEC instead of being the perennial #2-4 team we are in the Big 12.

Ranger Tom
08-31-2011, 04:42 PM
Hopefully this really is the demise of the Big Cow Conference, and Tech will land in the Pac-16.

TEXANRED
08-31-2011, 05:58 PM
:vincepalm:SEC recruiting is cutthroat. Before they were just competing with OU and Texas for in state recruiting. Now they open up the pipeline to an entire conference. Kids not only consider the conference, they want the atmosphere of a campus too.

I am seeing this as a positive. If you want to play in the Big XII you go to Texas or OU.

Now if you want to go play for the SEC (IMO, is the better conference and gets a lot more press) you may be able to snag those players who want to play there but maybe not leave Texas.

Texan_Bill
08-31-2011, 07:04 PM
Hopefully this really is the demise of the Big Cow Conference, and Tech will land in the Pac-16.

Why would the Pac whatever want Tech? If the demise of the Big XII happens, Tech would be scrambling and quite possibly could wind up in Conference USA or the MWC.

Ole Miss Texan
09-01-2011, 09:55 AM
Well I somewhat disagree. I know I'm one of the few, but I really like where A&M is headed. Not saying they're going to be consistent National Championship contenders or Sugar Bowl winners, but I think they'll do just fine and start going to good bowl games every year like the Cotton Bowl or Chick-fil-a bowl.

Alabama - VERY good team, best in the SEC West.
Arkansas - about on par with A&M in my opinion.
Auburn - personally I think on the decline, they don't have the depth that Bama does to replace their two biggest playmakers.
LSU - tough team but A&M should compete with them.
Mississippi St - has turned into a solid program that is underrated but not as good as A&M.
Ole Miss - has their ups and downs, A&M is better at this point.

FirstTexansFan
09-01-2011, 10:00 AM
Well as an Aggie, I have to say I hate to see them leave behind the rivalries. And I'm concerned about the level of competition they'll be facing, it remains to be seen if this will help or hinder recruiting for the University. As for opening up the state of Texas to other schools stealing our talent here. I'd say they already do a decent job of that.

Errant Hothy
09-01-2011, 10:22 AM
Why would the Pac whatever want Tech? If the demise of the Big XII happens, Tech would be scrambling and quite possibly could wind up in Conference USA or the MWC.

Maybe because they are just as good of a football program as ASU, WSU, Cal and Stanford. Let us not forget that Tech has been ranked #1 within the last three years. Only USC and Oregon can make that claim in the Pac-10. I know they are not near that level now. Tech also strengthens their market share in the big Texas markets. Yes, UT will bring many more viewers, but Tech would bring a fair number of vieweres as well. The Tech ex-student association is one of the fast growing, in both numbers and money generated in the region.

As for the Aggies, I don't understand the desire to leave. The Longhorn network didn't really chagne anything. UT will always have more money, even OU admitted this; and becuse of this they will have more power within the conference. A&M will be treated no differently in the SEC than they are being treated now in the Big XII. AS for competing, if you cannot beat the likes of Tech, OSU and Baylor regularly; you are not going to win many games in the SEC.

gwallaia
09-01-2011, 10:36 AM
I think this is a good move for A&M. With Colorado and Nebraska leaving last year, the Big XII is teetering. Its like these schools are sensing trouble much like animals can sense an earthquake before it strikes.

I hope though that the UT-A&M game will continue. It will be a real shame if ego and greed end that rivalry, besides that's the only time I root for A&M to win.

Dutchrudder
09-01-2011, 10:45 AM
I think this is a good move for A&M. With Colorado and Nebraska leaving last year, the Big XII is teetering. Its like these schools are sensing trouble much like animals can sense an earthquake before it strikes.

I hope though that the UT-A&M game will continue. It will be a real shame if ego and greed end that rivalry, besides that's the only time I root for A&M to win.

That will be a big issue, but I really see no reason for A&M to keep playing the game, aside from their undying love of traditions. If A&M plays an incredibly difficult conference schedule every year, which includes at least 4 top 25 programs, then I see no reason to add another into the mix. Playing Texas offers us nothing aside from some revenue and a good feeling of keeping an old rivalry alive.

If A&M is fighting for a BCS bowl bid (best case), and they lose their last game of the season to Texas, they will screw themselves for no reason. Out of conference games are worth next to nothing in the SEC, but teams in weaker conferences need them to bolster their BCS at large bids. A&M won't need that anymore and would be better off scheduling 3 creampuffs to pad their stats and wins.

pbat488
09-01-2011, 11:32 AM
Maybe because they are just as good of a football program as ASU, WSU, Cal and Stanford. Let us not forget that Tech has been ranked #1 within the last three years. Only USC and Oregon can make that claim in the Pac-10. I know they are not near that level now. Tech also strengthens their market share in the big Texas markets. Yes, UT will bring many more viewers, but Tech would bring a fair number of vieweres as well. The Tech ex-student association is one of the fast growing, in both numbers and money generated in the region.

As for the Aggies, I don't understand the desire to leave. The Longhorn network didn't really chagne anything. UT will always have more money, even OU admitted this; and becuse of this they will have more power within the conference. A&M will be treated no differently in the SEC than they are being treated now in the Big XII. AS for competing, if you cannot beat the likes of Tech, OSU and Baylor regularly; you are not going to win many games in the SEC.

i'm pulling for tech to land in the pac with a large exodus westward personally, think they would fit in well with that league. if they still had leach they would be perfect.

it's about stability. we're moving from a conference that will now be held together by two universities and a puppet commissioner to the strongest athletic conference in the country. in this move, we also increase our exposure as we're not one of the texas schools in the big 12, we are the texas school in the sec.

it all comes down to stability though, and the lhn has undermined any trust we had with the big 12 and we had to get away from it. I realize it's not ut anymore, espn is calling the shots on the lhn, but in my opinion it is going to ruin the big 12 eventually as soon as oklahoma gets fed up with it or ut is ready to go independent. til then, the iowa states of the conference will just have to buck up and take what ut and ou gives them.

bah007
09-01-2011, 12:17 PM
Well I somewhat disagree. I know I'm one of the few, but I really like where A&M is headed. Not saying they're going to be consistent National Championship contenders or Sugar Bowl winners, but I think they'll do just fine and start going to good bowl games every year like the Cotton Bowl or Chick-fil-a bowl.

Alabama - VERY good team, best in the SEC West.
Arkansas - about on par with A&M in my opinion.
Auburn - personally I think on the decline, they don't have the depth that Bama does to replace their two biggest playmakers.
LSU - tough team but A&M should compete with them.
Mississippi St - has turned into a solid program that is underrated but not as good as A&M.
Ole Miss - has their ups and downs, A&M is better at this point.

I think this is a good move for A&M because they stand to gain more money, which in turn can be used by their athletic department. They will also immediately compete in basketball and baseball. Let's not forget, A&M has one of the top overall athletic departments in the entire nation.

But if this is about football, forget about it. They are going to get killed. A&M has some great players on their team right now. But they have zero depth. That's the difference between them and the teams they will now compete against. As the season goes on, A&M's lack of depth will be exposed.

Now, can they cure this in recruiting? Some people think so, but I don't. I don't think this move will gain them any significant advantage in recruiting. It will hurt Texas in recruiting, but it will not help A&M. The only team in the SEC that really does any damage in the state is LSU. Not anymore. That whole western division is about to come crashing in.

As far as how they stack up right now, I would put it like this:

Alabama - One of the top 3 programs in the nation, maybe #1
LSU
Arkansas
Auburn
TEXAS A&M
Mississippi St - A program on the rise
Ole Miss

Over the long term, Alabama and LSU are clearly the class of the conference. And Ole Miss is probably in the cellar. Between them, you have four teams that will be about equal. From year to year one of them might have a great year or a down year, but over the long term, I would put them in that order.

So A&M at it's best, will probably only ever be the #3 team in the division, much less the conference.

bah007
09-01-2011, 12:28 PM
Well as an Aggie, I have to say I hate to see them leave behind the rivalries. And I'm concerned about the level of competition they'll be facing, it remains to be seen if this will help or hinder recruiting for the University. As for opening up the state of Texas to other schools stealing our talent here. I'd say they already do a decent job of that.

I don't think A&M's recruiting in Texas will be affected much at all. I think the real blow will come to UT. Some of the top guys that usually go there will now be looking at LSU, Arkansas, and Auburn more closely. Those teams already come into Texas a little bit, but now with a showcase game in the state every two years, I think they start to make more of an impact.

Unless A&M can start to make a bigger dent in Louisiana, I think they will get the same results in recruiting that they have been getting. Which isn't necessarily bad, but the way they are now, they can't really compete in the SEC.

Stemp
09-01-2011, 03:12 PM
I don't think A&M's recruiting in Texas will be affected much at all. I think the real blow will come to UT. Some of the top guys that usually go there will now be looking at LSU, Arkansas, and Auburn more closely. Those teams already come into Texas a little bit, but now with a showcase game in the state every two years, I think they start to make more of an impact.

Unless A&M can start to make a bigger dent in Louisiana, I think they will get the same results in recruiting that they have been getting. Which isn't necessarily bad, but the way they are now, they can't really compete in the SEC.

I don't know why people keep thinking that. Most kids want to go to the best school but stay close to home. Those willing to go out of state to go to SEC schools already go. This will now give Texas kids an option to play in the best conference in the land and still be close enough for Mom and Dad to drive down and see him play.

GlassHalfFull
09-06-2011, 05:36 PM
SEC Meeting tonight.


http://blog.chron.com/aggies/2011/09/sec-in-process-of-making-decision-on-aggies/


COLLEGE STATION – The Southeastern Conference board of directors are meeting this evening, according to reports, to vote on accepting Texas A&M. The Aggies are expected to easily receive the necessary amount of votes to become the league’s 13th member in time for the 2012 season.

An announcement from Aggieland that A&M will join the SEC is expected as soon as Wednesday. The Aggies last Wednesday announced that they intended to exit the Big 12 following a 16-year run.

XI CMURDER IX
09-06-2011, 09:18 PM
I'll just go ahead and put this here.

http://ragebot.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/sec.gif

sakebomb
09-07-2011, 07:06 AM
In regards to football, I'm pretty sure A&M will be competitive in the SEC. Why wouldn't they? They aren't Kansas. They are on the rise and are finally getting some good talent into College Station. Without a doubt it will help with the recruiting even more.

Will they dominate the conference? Of course not but they will hold there own as long as they keep moving in the right direction. Hell, Texas and Oklamhoma would have a tough time too.

gwallaia
09-07-2011, 07:59 AM
Hold everything. There are some strings attached. I doubt poor mistreated Baylor will sign off on this deal quite so easily.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1261679

Dutchrudder
09-07-2011, 09:00 AM
Hold everything. There are some strings attached. I doubt poor mistreated Baylor will sign off on this deal quite so easily.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1261679

Funny, they didn't sue the Big10 or Pac10 when the others left. Baylor is grasping at straws at this point, they are destined for Conference USA or maybe the Big East.

b0ng
09-07-2011, 09:40 AM
Funny, they didn't sue the Big10 or Pac10 when the others left. Baylor is grasping at straws at this point, they are destined for Conference USA or maybe the Big East.

Better hope the ghost of Ann Richards swoops in to save them from going to a conference they should've been in the first place.

Dutchrudder
09-07-2011, 09:58 AM
Better hope the ghost of Ann Richards swoops in to save them from going to a conference they should've been in the first place.

That's really the biggest joke of it all, 'preserving Texas football' wasn't an issue when they left SMU, Rice and TCU out of the Big 12.

gwallaia
09-07-2011, 10:02 AM
That's really the biggest joke of it all, 'preserving Texas football' wasn't an issue when they left SMU, Rice and TCU out of the Big 12.

and UH.

b0ng
09-07-2011, 10:11 AM
That's really the biggest joke of it all, 'preserving Texas football' wasn't an issue when they left SMU, Rice and TCU out of the Big 12.

Probably was UH,s spot they took tbqh. That's what I'll believe anyway and the schadenfreude is quite nice from my perspective. What's sad is I can't blame them for doing everything they can to preserve the BigXII. Acting overly litigious is going to kill any shot they have of getting into the Big East or some conference in similar stature.

GlassHalfFull
09-07-2011, 10:13 AM
http://ht.cdn.turner.com/si/danpatrick/audio/2011/09/07/Big_12_Letter_to_SEC.pdf?eref=fromSI

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5583/big12lettertosec.png

XI CMURDER IX
09-14-2011, 02:45 PM
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cuppycup has been tearing it up lately!