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The1ApplePie
08-29-2011, 06:30 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15494946/suhs-nastiness-changes-lions-culture-makes-him-a-dirty-player

While his talent is undeniable and his fury a good thing, he hasn't learned to properly harness that aggression. It spills out at times uncontrollably and it's only a matter of time before Suh is suspended and his reputation morphs into something not so positive.

In fact, I think that is already happening. I can tell you the league is watching Suh's behavior extremely closely. If it continues he's going to be hit with a much more massive fine. That's a guarantee.

The latest incident with Suh came against the Patriots. It was a brutal game featuring a few skirmishes. Patriots guard Logan Mankins was involved in a beef with a Lions player when Suh approached Mankins and threw a punch. It connected.

He should have been tossed but the game official missed it. Replays clearly showed the punch. How an official could miss a man the size of mobile home throwing a punch is a mystery.

On Twitter, Lions fans showed their smallness by saying Suh was justified throwing the punch because he was defending a teammate. That's part of The Danny Ainge Syndrome. If you were a Celtics fan when Ainge was in Boston, you loved him. If he was an opponent, you thought he was cheap. So I understand that phenomenon and it's happening with Suh.

There's still no excusing what he did. It was totally a punk move and there's little doubt the NFL is going to fine Suh.

ESPN Radio has been harping this and most fans seem to be laughing at them.

Dude plays like a D-Lineman should and he is a dirty player. He protects his teammate who is getting dragged around by his facemask and he is a dirty player…

The offense-first mentality that the NFL has been running on for a decade is starting to get old.

thunderkyss
08-29-2011, 06:40 PM
I heard someone talking about him the other day...... NFLN, or ESPN, I can't remember.

What they said (whoever they were) made sense.

He's changing the mindset in Detroit... he's changing the minds of what people expect out of Detroit...

He's Ray Lewis.





fiasco west
08-29-2011, 07:20 PM
He does need to be careful though.

It really doesn't matter if we or ESPN think of him as dirty...it does if Roger Goodell though. Then every extra oopmh he puts into a tackle will be looked at with suspicious eyes and he'll be sitting out games for being a hard hitter like Harrison does.

Texaninlild
08-29-2011, 07:25 PM
Is there a clip of the punch? Easier to form an opinion with a video.

Rey
08-29-2011, 07:33 PM
I don't know or care if he is dirty...I like linemen that are not afraid to get nasty...

Suh being able to draw the line will be the biggest thing or him though...

But man, that dude is a monster...

drs23
08-29-2011, 07:33 PM
Yeah, I see a slippery slope coming. This game is a FULL CONTACT SPORT, correct? At the same time being a "I am my brother's keeper" mentality kinda thing. There's a reason Suh was drafted where he was. Certainly it's because of his play making abilities but at the same time he was drafted as a leader and he's become that in short order and doing a dang good job with it. While "punching" per se shouldn't be condoned, what if he'd just given the offender a 'shiver' that put him on his backside in a convincing manner. Would that draw the ire of the league as well?

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the long run. Personally I think Suh did what any other team mate would have/should have done.

Thoughts?

brakos82
08-29-2011, 07:40 PM
Is there a clip of the punch? Easier to form an opinion with a video.

same. sans video though, I'm taking Suh's side.

powerfuldragon
08-29-2011, 08:04 PM
vidya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnXTD5WIeoU

looks like more of a shove/swipe than a punch... watch it before it gets pulled by youtube.

Lucky
08-29-2011, 08:06 PM
Is there a clip of the punch? Easier to form an opinion with a video.
Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBM2WazyWfI&feature=player_embedded). Looked like Suh was trying to breakup the altercation between Mankins and Jackson. At first, Suh pushes Mankins. Next, he gives Mankins a push to the facemask. It didn't look like Mankins thought he had been punched.

Now this is a punch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PhhBJEoIl4&feature=related).

brakos82
08-29-2011, 08:06 PM
vidya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnXTD5WIeoU

looks like more of a shove/swipe than a punch... watch it before it gets pulled by youtube.
and I stand by my original case.

Section516
08-30-2011, 09:05 AM
That is a punch?

Wussification of Amerika!

TEXANS84
08-30-2011, 09:19 AM
Not a big surprise, plays for Jim Schwartz who formerly coached Albert Haynesworth in Tennessee.

Playoffs
08-30-2011, 10:43 AM
Dude can play dirty on my team any time.

He's so good it's scary.

thunderkyss
08-30-2011, 12:19 PM
Dude can play dirty on my team any time.

He's so good it's scary.

I'm going to go out on a limb & say the guy disappears in 2011.

But no one will be disappointed.

HOU-TEX
08-30-2011, 01:00 PM
Dude's a beast, period. He'll soon be the best DT in the league, if he isn't already. I think he'll eventually tone down the emphasis he currently finishes tackles with

BigBull17
08-30-2011, 01:18 PM
I don't know or care if he is dirty...I like linemen that are not afraid to get nasty...

Suh being able to draw the line will be the biggest thing or him though...

But man, that dude is a monster...

You could see that side at Nebraska. You just knew he was going to be special. I think he could possibly become the best DT of all time.

Double Barrel
08-30-2011, 01:20 PM
Dude can play dirty on my team any time.

He's so good it's scary.

yeah, I wish some of his 'dirt' would rub off on Mario. Hopefully JJ can roll around in the mud and get 'dirty', too.

The term "dirty", to me at least, implies intent. I think Suh plays hard and plays through the whistle. But, dude is not like Romanowski who intentionally tried to injure opponents.

The1ApplePie
08-30-2011, 01:23 PM
I have no problem with Suh playing "dirty". I see that as a good quality in a DT.

Hell, most O-Linemen play dirty anyways, so I would want my monster DT to do the same.

Texaninlild
08-30-2011, 02:33 PM
Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBM2WazyWfI&feature=player_embedded). Looked like Suh was trying to breakup the altercation between Mankins and Jackson. At first, Suh pushes Mankins. Next, he gives Mankins a push to the facemask. It didn't look like Mankins thought he had been punched.

Now this is a punch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PhhBJEoIl4&feature=related).

That was a push and not a punch. I am good with that for sticking with his teammate.

GP
08-30-2011, 02:54 PM
Count me as saying the Suh critics are full of horsecrap.

The guy is getting flak for nothing. Correction: He's getting flak because people don't have the Lions to joke about anymore. People like to have their same whipping post every year, and the Lions said "To hell with drafting a flunky WR every year. We're going DEFENSE, and we're going big."

Good for them.

Unfortunately, if they ever DO get over the top...they'll be even more obnoxious as Saints fan are right now. Detroit has been in the doghouse so long, that the day they get a Penthouse Suite will make them unbearable for about a decade afterward.

Double Barrel
08-30-2011, 03:32 PM
Unfortunately, if they ever DO get over the top...they'll be even more obnoxious as Saints fan are right now. Detroit has been in the doghouse so long, that the day they get a Penthouse Suite will make them unbearable for about a decade afterward.

Do you honestly think Texans fans would be any different after a decade of futility and 18 years of playoff drought in this city?

Wolf6151
08-30-2011, 03:33 PM
Last year I saw some posters suggesting that we should trade our entire draft for the #1 pick, so that we could get Suh. After looking at what we got last year, I agree with them. Suh in the middle of our defense would be awsome.

TimeKiller
08-30-2011, 05:56 PM
Last year I saw some posters suggesting that we should trade our entire draft for the #1 pick, so that we could get Suh. After looking at what we got last year, I agree with them. Suh in the middle of our defense would be awsome.

I said that!

I meant it too. And as far as he goes, I think there's a lot more evidence than a little slap as something you could use against Suh. But I also think you would just be a little jealous that he's so badass he's making Detroit look good. He's not dirty to me. To me, he's just someone the league knows they probably shouldn't try to **** with. Like Andre. Or Ray Lewis. Or Haynesworth.

ensign_lee
08-30-2011, 06:08 PM
I see nothing wrong with what Suh did there. He shoved a Patriots player to get him off of his teammate who had just been shoved to the ground.

Man, Suh is going to be something special. I'm sad I didn't know about him until he almost single-handedly won the Nebraska-UT game a few years back. I remember going "WTF?!?! How can a DT impact the game so much?!?!"

Huge regrets that he's not on our team.

sakebomb
08-30-2011, 10:42 PM
What he did wrong was mess with a Patriots player. You can't mess with one of the leagues premier teams. The commish doesn't take to kindly to that kind of behavior.

toronto
08-30-2011, 11:45 PM
Funny how that's called dirty when I could pull out 1,000 videos of dirty Mankins cut blocks, trash talking etc.

Forgot, when you are a Pat, (or someone trying to sack Peyton Manning( anyone that hits you is dirty.

I hope Suh doesn't change his game one damn bit. He has the potential to be one of the great ones.

Hervoyel
08-31-2011, 12:11 AM
I don't want to sound like somebody who endorses violence or somebody who wants the NFL to turn into some kind of NHL on turf but I think that entirely too much is made of players wearing mountains of protective gear throwing punches at each other.

I'm not going to come out in favor of it being legal, just in favor of it not being something that everyone expects a player to get thrown out of a game or suspended for. I think it would be a good idea if the officials could throw a player out for the remainder of the quarter the infraction happened in and then he could return.

Honestly, unless some gear starts coming off nobody is going to hurt anyone with a punch out there and it seems ridiculous to see the league getting all bent out of shape at this when almost every play ends in a collision that's more violent than anything a player can do with his fist.

Playoffs
08-31-2011, 09:02 AM
...Logan Mankins also said he disagrees with the rapidly growing belief around the league that Suh plays dirty.

“I wouldn’t say Suh’s a dirty player,” Mankins said. “I think Suh’s a great player. He’s got a load of talent. He plays good and he plays hard. He defends his teammates. He does all the things that I would want in a teammate.”

Vinny
08-31-2011, 11:29 AM
I don't want to sound like somebody who endorses violence or somebody who wants the NFL to turn into some kind of NHL on turf but I think that entirely too much is made of players wearing mountains of protective gear throwing punches at each other.

I'm not going to come out in favor of it being legal, just in favor of it not being something that everyone expects a player to get thrown out of a game or suspended for. I think it would be a good idea if the officials could throw a player out for the remainder of the quarter the infraction happened in and then he could return.

Honestly, unless some gear starts coming off nobody is going to hurt anyone with a punch out there and it seems ridiculous to see the league getting all bent out of shape at this when almost every play ends in a collision that's more violent than anything a player can do with his fist.I agree and this is where the league could learn something from hockey (only the penalty box thing - not so much the old school fisticuffs). The league kinda mirrors society in it's zero thinking, I mean, zero tolerance rules seeping into more and more places. Last year, tapping the QB's helmet with a backhand that wouldn't hurt a child would get a "roughness" penalty. I'm all for a safer game too, but when they take the thinking out of officiating so that they can hide behind their rules for convenience, it destroys the integrity of the game.

Yankee_In_TX
08-31-2011, 11:39 AM
Welcome to the Bengals Dalton :)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/804385-ndamukong-suh-video-watch-suh-body-slam-helmet-less-andy-dalton-to-turf

(maybe someone can find a better video, that one sucks)

Wolf
10-24-2011, 08:29 PM
ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP)—Amid yet another flap over his on-field conduct, Ndamukong Suh(notes) is making some accusations of his own.

The Detroit defensive lineman said Monday that Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan’s(notes) brief injury against the Lions was “karma” and hinted that the Falcons have been guilty of dirty play.

Ryan tweaked a knee when offensive lineman Will Svitek(notes) stepped on his left ankle, but he came back in the game a short while later and helped Atlanta beat the Lions 23-16 on Sunday.

“To me it’s karma for all the bad stuff they’ve done in the past,” Suh said. “Their offensive lineman hurt their own quarterback.”

Atlanta players told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution after that game that Suh and fellow defensive lineman Cliff Avril(notes) taunted Ryan while he was down.

“I had respect for Suh before the game,” center Todd McClure(notes) said. “But when Matt was on the ground, the things he was saying and the trash he was talking was definitely uncalled for. There are certain things you don’t do. (He said), `Get the cart’ and several other things that I can’t repeat.”

Wide receiver Roddy White(notes) said he lost respect for both Suh and Avril.

Avril didn’t talk to reporters when Detroit’s locker room was open Monday, but Suh did—an unusual occurrence because he usually talks on Wednesdays.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AjMebF86ySqFCXns77Og_Q45nYcB?slug=ap-lions-taunting

DexmanC
10-25-2011, 11:50 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AjMebF86ySqFCXns77Og_Q45nYcB?slug=ap-lions-taunting

Who didn't chuckle when they found out Suh told the Falcons' linemen:
"GET THE CART!"

Double Barrel
10-25-2011, 12:07 PM
The Falcons need to put their big boy pants on. They accused the Lions players of kicking Ryan's feet, which replay video clear proves to be a false statement. It makes you wonder what else are they not being truthful about...

TimeKiller
10-26-2011, 09:04 AM
“Do I need Rodney (sic) White’s respect? No,” Suh said.

I'd say if you don't want the horns, you shouldn't mess with a bull.

Suh gets a little emotional, I haven't seen many games of him but I wouldn't call him dirty like I would Innegan. Big guy who isn't afraid to mix it up? Maybe. Dirty, cheap shotter? No.

DonnyMost
10-26-2011, 09:22 AM
Suh has gone from aggressive, hardworking, and likable to a petty, dirty, jackass.

Lions are about to go on a serious slide. 9-7 might not be enough to make the wildcard. They'll get no sympathy from me when they miss out, either.

The1ApplePie
10-26-2011, 10:58 AM
“Do I need Rodney (sic) White’s respect? No,” Suh said.

I'd say if you don't want the horns, you shouldn't mess with a bull.

Suh gets a little emotional, I haven't seen many games of him but I wouldn't call him dirty like I would Innegan. Big guy who isn't afraid to mix it up? Maybe. Dirty, cheap shotter? No.

Suh is what you want in a DT in skills, brains, and emotions. Got no problem with him playing a little dirty. Maybe he can stop doing it when O-Linemen quit going after the knees of D-Linemen.

TimeKiller
10-26-2011, 01:52 PM
Suh is what you want in a DT in skills, brains, and emotions. Got no problem with him playing a little dirty. Maybe he can stop doing it when O-Linemen quit going after the knees of D-Linemen.

Right? He gets flagged when he takes it too far. What else to you want? Him to be banished from the weight room? So he can stop kicking everyone's ass?

Or maybe Falcon OL could just, ya know, play better.

silvrhand
10-27-2011, 10:05 AM
Suh has gone from aggressive, hardworking, and likable to a petty, dirty, jackass.

Lions are about to go on a serious slide. 9-7 might not be enough to make the wildcard. They'll get no sympathy from me when they miss out, either.

So did you even watch the video, it's video proof he didn't kick Matt's feet or anything.. I'd take a big nasty mean OL/DL in a heartbeat.. Playing OL/DL is a mean dirty area, quit whining and get the job done.

Some of the dirtiest players in the NFL have simply been some of the best players at that position ever.

Lol I'd take me some night train lane in a heartbeat, Joey Porter, Harrison, Romanski, Charles Haley, Ray Lewis, Johnny Sample, Deacon Jones..

Playoffs
09-10-2013, 10:01 PM
Ndamukong Suh fined $100,000 (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/10/ndamukong-suh-fined-100000-not-suspended/)

Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh has been handed the biggest fine of his career. But Suh has avoided a suspension for his illegal low block on Vikings center John Sullivan on Sunday.

The NFL has fined Suh $100,000, a much heavier fine than players typically get for personal fouls on the field, and a fine that demonstrates that Suh’s repeat-offender status has him viewed as a marked man by the NFL’s discipline police.

Suh’s largest previous fine came last season, when his pay was docked $30,000 for kicking Texans quarterback Matt Schaub in the groin (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/28/nfl-fines-ndamukong-suh-30000/) on Thanksgiving. Suh had been fined lesser amounts on other occasions for more run-of-the-mill fouls like roughing the passer and late hits.

The most money Suh ever lost for a disciplinary measure was $164,000, when he lost two weeks’ pay during a two-game suspension for stomping on Green Bay’s Evan Dietrich-Smith on Thanksgiving in 2011.

2012Champs
09-11-2013, 12:49 PM
Cris Carter said on Mike and Mike yesterday that players dont care about fines and only Roger taking them off the field would get their attention. I think there is some truth to that

HOU-TEX
09-11-2013, 12:53 PM
Loved watching this dude in College and don't remember seeing these type of shenanigans back then.

That said, he's becoming an asshat and don't see it changing any time soon

Playoffs
09-11-2013, 01:24 PM
DeMaurice Smith ‏@DeSmithNFLPA
I have reached out to Ndamukong Suh. We believe that all players have a basic responsibility to each other.


"I have no say in the process (despite) being a part of the situation," Sullivan told USA TODAY Sports. "The league did what they felt was appropriate and the matter is settled."

Sullivan, who had microfracture surgery on the knee in the offseason, was chasing Lions linebacker DeAndre Levy after an interception when Suh — a repeat offender who has been fined at least five other times and was suspended two games in 2011 — dived and hit Sullivan low.

The impact sent Sullivan to the ground, grabbing the knee, but he stayed in the game. He said on Tuesday he feels fine and plans to start this week's road game against the Chicago Bears.

"I'm just happy I wasn't hurt — seriously injured," said Sullivan, a first alternate for the Pro Bowl last year. "There's a reason that play is illegal. It's incredibly dangerous. I just feel fortunate that I'll be playing this week."http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/vikings/2013/09/10/john-sullivan-ndamukong-suh/2795405/

TheIronDuke
09-11-2013, 02:44 PM
I'm wondering when the players decide enough is enough and start low blocking the hell out of this guy. It's too bad the NFC North doesn't play the AFC East this year with all of their dirty ass O-linemen. Three players I hate in the NFL are Suh, Slauson, and Incognito. Well, the Tacks whole organization too but those guys I personally despise.

Dread-Head
09-11-2013, 03:57 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15494946/suhs-nastiness-changes-lions-culture-makes-him-a-dirty-player



ESPN Radio has been harping this and most fans seem to be laughing at them.

Dude plays like a D-Lineman should and he is a dirty player. He protects his teammate who is getting dragged around by his facemask and he is a dirty player…

The offense-first mentality that the NFL has been running on for a decade is starting to get old.


:thinking: Isn't he the SAME muff-hugga who kicked Matt Schaub in the cajones on Thanksgiving last year?

LikeMike
09-11-2013, 04:50 PM
DeMaurice Smith ‏@DeSmithNFLPA



http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/vikings/2013/09/10/john-sullivan-ndamukong-suh/2795405/

The whole play reminded me on the low block that ended Cushings season last year... I hate all the new "soft rules", but that kind of play should be punished severly. If he does it again, suspend him for half a season.

b0ng
09-12-2013, 12:41 AM
:thinking: Isn't he the SAME muff-hugga who kicked Matt Schaub in the cajones on Thanksgiving last year?

Yes it is. And for what it's worth there are at least a few offensive linemen whom I consider way dirtier than Suh, but nobody talks about offensive linemen in the media because that **** is boring.

infantrycak
09-12-2013, 01:06 AM
Yes it is. And for what it's worth there are at least a few offensive linemen whom I consider way dirtier than Suh, but nobody talks about offensive linemen in the media because that **** is boring.

Who other than Incognito?

So that makes everything hunky for Suh?

Why is it more boring for OL?

Dread-Head
09-12-2013, 11:24 AM
I'm of the opinion that referees are biased SOBs who go into certain games with certain teams with a bias.

a. They will inflict petty penalties for "roughing the passer" against QB's like Brady & Rodgers but will damn near let defensive lines pistol whip Matt Schaub before shooting him.

b. They will selectively call pass interference in cases where a DB was CLEARLY playing the ball, but then in the same game ignore BLADANT pass interference for the opposing team.

c. They give "good" or "poor" spots randomly and strangely enough the good/poor spots always seem to favor one team over the other through the course of the game.

d. They will IGNORE certain defensive players lining up in the neutral zone and in some cases even leaping across before the ball is snapped.


Given my contempt for NFL officiating on any game on ANY given Sunday my attitude on dirty players is this. If a guy on the other side of the ball does something that isn't Kosher you as an opposing player should say something. A friendly warning. If he persist tell him he's on a 2 way street. If he continues you and your boys should either make it your mission to put him in a world of excruciating pain OR have your defense hit his QB so hard that the fans will be clutching their ribs when they leave the stadium. Translation you guys put a hurtin' on my QB we administer an even WORSE one of yours. Call off your dog and we won't untie ours. Like the San Francisco/ Greenbay game. Clay Mathews was taking cheap shot after cheap shot on Cappernik. If I was part of Frisco's Defense I would have told Rogers "When you make it to the sideline...call off your dog." If Mathews persisted I would have done my best to break Rogers' neck.

texanhead08
09-12-2013, 10:36 PM
I think that dip**** coach in Detroit encouraged this behavior and now that its biting his star player in the ass he acts innocent. He learned this honestly from the Tacks organization.

Playoffs
09-16-2013, 01:48 PM
Report: Teammates not sure how to control Suh (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/16/report-teammates-not-sure-how-to-control-suh/)

During Sunday’s pregame show on FOX, Jay Glazer reported that Lions teammates have concerns about defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh’s ability to play within the rules.

“Even in practice, Ndamukong gives guys the business,” Glazer said. “He’ll slam a guy’s head against the ground. He’ll stomp on a guy. He’ll take little shots at guys. And guys are concerned if he can’t control himself even in practice with us, how can he control himself against someone else’s jersey?”..

Wolf
10-16-2013, 04:56 PM
Sports app just said he was fined 31, 500 on a hit on weeden

silvrhand
10-17-2013, 09:04 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000264556/article/ndamukong-suh-fined-315k-for-brandon-weeden-hit

I can't believe he got fined for that hit, it wasn't even that bad!

TheIronDuke
10-17-2013, 09:19 AM
If it wasn't him performing that hit then he wouldn't be fined. It's his own fault for being a dirty dumba$$ so now he's going to be scrutinized for every hit, deservedly so.

Playoffs
05-21-2014, 12:56 PM
Suh still winning friends...

Dave Birkett @davebirkett
If nothing else, Suh succeeded in changing the talk. No longer about him missing OTAs, now about him possibly pulling an Eli.

The Lions clarification is that Suh was thrilled to be drafted by Lions.

Suh continued: "I’m here in Detroit, I’m happy to be here in Detroit."

Told it wasn't his choice, Suh said: "It is my choice. It is for sure, my choice. But like I said, that’s water under the bridge ...

Asked how he could have gone elsewhere, Suh said: "There’s many ways to do things. You can drop down in the draft, you can move up ...

Suh continued: "Had that decision in my hands. I chose not to take it because that's just the way I saw it."

Here's Suh's quote: "Probably a lot of you guys don’t know, I could have gone elsewhere when I was drafted. ...

He was asked that as he walked to locker room, didn't answer >>>>>>>>like pulling an Eli? "im not playing for them!" kind of thing?

Tried to ask for clarification and as he walked off he referred questions to media relations department

Original question was about why he wants to stay in Detroit, basically saying he could have avoided Lions in the first place if he wanted

Asked to clarify, he said there's lots he could have done to drop down but wouldn't specify.

Suh answered most questions today, until he ended his podium session by saying he could have made it so he didn't go to the Lions in draft

drs23
05-21-2014, 06:18 PM
Suh still winning friends...

Dave Birkett @davebirkett

What a turd. Or is it just me?

Txn_in_FL
05-22-2014, 07:54 PM
What a turd. Or is it just me?

Definitely not you.

Playoffs
07-24-2014, 04:49 PM
Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport
If Lions can't get Suh signed, his franchise tender would be $26.7 million in 2015 - or he becomes a unrestricted free agent in his prime

Lions are not optimistic about signing Ndamukong Suh to a new contract. He enters camp counting $22,412,500 against salary cap.

Double Barrel
07-24-2014, 07:17 PM
The weird thing about Suh is that he's so well spoken off the field. Strange to see a seemingly intelligent and well spoken dude be such a jerk on the field.

Although, the same Ndamukong Suh on the field in the 1970's would not have raised an eyebrow, especially if he was in a Raiders or Steelers uniform.

Texecutioner
07-24-2014, 08:12 PM
The weird thing about Suh is that he's so well spoken off the field. Strange to see a seemingly intelligent and well spoken dude be such a jerk on the field.

Although, the same Ndamukong Suh on the field in the 1070's would not have raised an eyebrow, especially if he was in a Raiders or Steelers uniform.

I have always wondered the same thing. It's weird.

I'd take a chance on him though. Good lord our line would be one of the most dominant in NFL history.

klockWork
07-24-2014, 09:14 PM
Ted Bundy was also well-spoken.

Double Barrel
07-25-2014, 11:34 AM
Ted Bundy was also well-spoken.

okay, well thanks, I guess, for the random and bizarre non sequitur.... :rolleyes:

Ted Bundy was classified as a High Factor 1 Psychopath, which is characterized by a grandiose sense of self, pathological lying, conning-manipulative behaviors, lack of remorse, lack of empathy and failure to accept responsibility.

Ndamukong Suh is a football player with a mean-streak (something the league used to celebrate), but by all accounts, is one of the top philanthropists among professional athletes in America (http://tedbundyproject.weebly.com/psychological-analysis.html).

Thorn
07-25-2014, 12:26 PM
Interesting, but the Texans can't afford his contract.

Playoffs
12-29-2014, 02:54 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
So if Ndamukong Suh loses appeal of one-game suspension, and Lions lose Sunday, could be a wrap on his time in Detroit.

Ndamukong Suh is being suspended for Sunday's game against Dallas, per @mortreport. When he appeals, hearing officer will be Ted Cottrell.

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Marshall
12-29-2014, 03:02 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter


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Good clip. The right foot is an accident. The left could be until he lifts his right foot in order to apply more force. But he is and always will be dirty. He INTENDS to injure his opponents AFTER the play. It is criminal, not football.

gwallaia
12-29-2014, 03:19 PM
Suh is a dirty player, plain and simple. Any excuse for any of the shit he has done is not to be believed.

Fines do not hurt NFL players, most of them have more money than they know what do with. Suspend him for a playoff game and hurt the entire team. Maybe his teammates will whack him while he's in asleep in bed with bars of soap like on Full Metal Jacket.

mattieuk
12-29-2014, 03:30 PM
Good clip. The right foot is an accident. The left could be until he lifts his right foot in order to apply more force. But he is and always will be dirty. He INTENDS to injure his opponents AFTER the play. It is criminal, not football.

How on earth does he think he is going to get away with that?!

How many bloody cameras are on a quarterback for the entirety of a play?

What a silly bugger he is.

TheIronDuke
12-29-2014, 03:58 PM
I REALLY hope he doesn't end up in our division, I absolutely hate the guy.

bah007
12-29-2014, 04:02 PM
I've always really liked Suh as a football player. He's fantastic.

But I don't think I'd want him on my team. The guy is a constant problem.

Mr teX
12-29-2014, 04:05 PM
Yeah saw that yesterday & the little benefit of the doubt i was giving him is completely out the window now. Dude always gets caught doing little cheap shit like that. 1st foot was an accident, 2nd foot not so much. No contralateral reflex at all...dude just steps back with all his body weight and is in no hurry to move...He's a turd.

toronto
12-29-2014, 04:32 PM
The first foot, fine call it accidental. The 2nd? Man that's one dirty SOB.

Rodgers is lucky he's not on crutches today and Suh got what he deserved. Fitting way for his career with the Lions to wrap up if they lose. His suspension will be a major reason why.

Some team will blow a monster signing bonus on him, but man I'm not sure he's worth it.

The1ApplePie
12-29-2014, 04:40 PM
So, he won't get to audition for his future employer, Jerry Jones, on Sunday.

As a Cowboy's fan, I am glad that this will hopefully keep Romo's spine intact for another round.

TheIronDuke
12-29-2014, 04:42 PM
So, he won't get to audition for his future employer, Jerry Jones, on Sunday.

As a Cowboy's fan, I am glad that this will hopefully keep Romo's spine intact for another round.

Do they have enough cap room to sign Suh?

I can totally see the Jags making a run at him just because I hate him so much and they have a ton of cap room.

HOU-TEX
12-29-2014, 04:44 PM
I've always really liked Suh as a football player. He's fantastic.

But I don't think I'd want him on my team. The guy is a constant problem.

I agree. However, I would want him on my team. Imo, he's good enough that it makes up for occasional stupidity. These acts of ignorance are only pushing his FA $ down.

The1ApplePie
12-29-2014, 04:44 PM
Do they have enough cap room to sign Suh?

I can totally see the Jags making a run at him just because I hate him so much and they have a ton of cap room.

I think it depends on how much they pay Dez. Not sure what the cap looks like, but I think they are getting rid of a lot of the D-Ware and Miles Austin dead money this year.

infantrycak
12-29-2014, 04:52 PM
I think it depends on how much they pay Dez. Not sure what the cap looks like, but I think they are getting rid of a lot of the D-Ware and Miles Austin dead money this year.

They are sitting at $138 mil for 2015 right now without Dez.

Mr teX
12-29-2014, 05:04 PM
plus i believe Murray is up for a new contract after this year too.

Playoffs
12-29-2014, 05:08 PM
Some team will blow a monster signing bonus on him, but man I'm not sure he's worth it.

Thinking Bengals, Titans, Raiders... Falcons are chirping about getting "edgier" players, Suh fits that. Will be interesting to see who ponies up -- I think he signs for the most $$$.

chicagotexan2
12-30-2014, 01:27 AM
I agree. However, I would want him on my team. Imo, he's good enough that it makes up for occasional stupidity. These acts of ignorance are only pushing his FA $ down.

He's a good player no question. But at this point he's just as stupid, idiotic and reckless as a player that's failed multiple drug tests. All eyes are him based on passed behavior and doing something this dirty is basically asking for a suspension which makes me question his desire. I guess I wouldn't be so confused if he was a marginal player that needed to do every dirty trick to win but Suh is an established player.

Would I like to have him on the texans? I guess but he does stupid underhanded things that will cost the team in the end.

Playoffs
12-30-2014, 05:24 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Ndamukong Suh won his appeal; now allowed to play vs. Dallas


Tony! Protect the jewels!

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/622/395/SuhDirty_original.gif

gary
12-30-2014, 08:23 PM
Unreal. Actually sadly it's not I believe it ratings and money mean more than anything.

mattieuk
12-30-2014, 08:38 PM
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that a new formula removed Suh from the "repeat offender" list after Week 16. Suh's last violation was in Week 1 of 2013, when he was fined $100,000 for an illegal chop block on Vikings center John Sullivan. That was the biggest fine in NFL history for on-field conduct.

According to NFL rules, a player who goes 32 games (including a maximum of two preseason games) without a violation is removed from the list. His history as a repeat offender was never cited.

Source (http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12099681/ndamukong-suh-detroit-lions-wins-appeal-play-playoff-game-vs-dallas-cowboys)

Darn union!

Can't believe he gets to play after such a classless move.

Showtime100
12-30-2014, 09:23 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter



Tony! Protect the jewels!

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/622/395/SuhDirty_original.gif

I forgot about that, yeah, screw 'im.

IDEXAN
12-31-2014, 11:37 AM
Good deal, I'm glad Suh is playing this weekend. Hey this is the NFL POs, not badmittten.

Malloy
01-01-2015, 04:49 AM
Good deal, I'm glad Suh is playing this weekend. Hey this is the NFL POs, not badmittten.

Are you kidding me?

Marshall
01-01-2015, 11:44 AM
Are you kidding me?

Unfortunately not. There is a real Roman Coliseum element out there.

FEED THEM TO THE LIONS!

Ranger Tom
01-01-2015, 11:46 AM
I was never a Cowboys fan until I heard this news. Now I want to see the Lions get blown out of the stadium.

Marshall
01-01-2015, 11:54 AM
The only problem I have with this Title is that there's nothing NEW about Suh's dirty play.

infantrycak
01-01-2015, 12:05 PM
The only problem I have with this Title is that there's nothing NEW about Suh's dirty play.

The title is from 2011.

Marshall
01-02-2015, 08:09 AM
The title is from 2011.

It wasn't new then either.

infantrycak
01-02-2015, 09:06 AM
It wasn't new then either.

Yeah it was. Look at the original post. It's an article about the Suh maybe heading toward his 1st suspension and folks debating whether he's dirty or just a good old fashion defender.

Marshall
01-02-2015, 09:13 AM
Yeah it was. Look at the original post. It's an article about the Suh maybe heading toward his 1st suspension and folks debating whether he's dirty or just a good old fashion defender.

"The latest incident with Suh came against the Patriots."

http://www.digitaljournal.com/sports/did-ndamukong-suh-intentionally-stomp-on-aaron-rodgers-ankle/article/422104

He played dirty before the discussion about his first suspension. He played dirty in college, I suspect he played dirty in HS and probably sand lot too. It's UNCONTROLLED aggression, not aggression which is the problem. It's the deliberate crossing of boundaries and desire to INJURE which was, is and will continue to be his problem. But the way the NFL has coddled him is also a problem.

infantrycak
01-02-2015, 09:28 AM
He played dirty before his first suspension. He played dirty in college, I suspect he played dirty in HS and probably sand lot too.

Well since we are being thread title Nazis, the thread title refers to NFL so college and HS don't mean anything. The article is at the beginning of his 2nd season. He'd had 1 year to earn his burgeoning reputation among NFL dirty players.

Marshall
01-02-2015, 09:54 AM
Well since we are being thread title Nazis, the thread title refers to NFL so college and HS don't mean anything. The article is at the beginning of his 2nd season. He'd had 1 year to earn his burgeoning reputation among NFL dirty players.

If he is not a dirty player, then the NFL has no dirty players.

steelbtexan
01-02-2015, 10:44 AM
I've always really liked Suh as a football player. He's fantastic.

But I don't think I'd want him on my team. The guy is a constant problem.

Watt & Suh on the same DL.

The things that championships are made of.

Sign me up. It will never happen.

steelbtexan
01-02-2015, 10:50 AM
"The latest incident with Suh came against the Patriots."

http://www.digitaljournal.com/sports/did-ndamukong-suh-intentionally-stomp-on-aaron-rodgers-ankle/article/422104

He played dirty before the discussion about his first suspension. He played dirty in college, I suspect he played dirty in HS and probably sand lot too. It's UNCONTROLLED aggression, not aggression which is the problem. It's the deliberate crossing of boundaries and desire to INJURE which was, is and will continue to be his problem. But the way the NFL has coddled him is also a problem.

This just in,

Most NFL players attempt to injure each other. Otherwise they would be playing flag football, like God'ell wants them to play.

Yes, sometimes in the heat of the battle some players go over the line. (Not just Suh) Give me an overaggressive player vs an under aggressive player anytime and twice on Sundays.

infantrycak
01-02-2015, 11:26 AM
If he is not a dirty player, then the NFL has no dirty players.

Your reading skills need to improve. I never said he wasn't a dirty player.

Marshall
01-02-2015, 09:58 PM
Your reading skills need to improve. I never said he wasn't a dirty player.

My reading skills are just fine thank you, but I do dismiss certain information a little too quickly.