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Wolf
08-25-2011, 05:28 PM
By Michael Lombardi NFL.com

Definition of a blue-chip player
Player demonstrates rare abilities and can create mismatches that have an obvious impact on the game
Is a premier player in the league and a weapon on the field
Combines competitiveness and skill to have a consistent championship-level performance
Rates in the top five at his position in the league

Definition of a red-chip player
Player has abilities that can create mismatches vs. most opponents in the league
Is a featured player on the team and has impact on the outcome of the game
Player can't be taken out of the game in one-on-one matchup
Has a consistent level of performance each week
Plays at a championship level performance
Rates in the top 10 at his position in the league

Offensive rankings (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821b7505/article/blue-chips-and-red-chips-offensive-position-rankings-?campaign=Facebook_features)
Blue chip
Andre Johnson, Texans

Red Chip
Matt Schaub, Texans
Arian Foster, Texans


Defensive Rankings (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821b7605/article/blue-chips-and-red-chips-defensive-position-rankings)

Blue chip
Mario Williams, Texans

Red Chip
Johnathan Joseph, Texans

Goatcheese
08-25-2011, 05:45 PM
Open Daniels is a blue chipper. Damn you Buffailo turf!!!

Putting Foster bellow Turner, Rice and Jackson is pretty :mcnugget:.

TimeKiller
08-25-2011, 06:00 PM
Daniels doesn't belong on that list.

....but Demeco Ryans? I wonder how many spots he missed by...

How 'bout the dig on Eric Winston?
"It's no coincidence all 10 play left tackle; it's where the best linemen play."

infantrycak
08-25-2011, 06:02 PM
We need to trade our blue chip defensive player fast before everyone outside of Houston realizes he sucks.

Goatcheese
08-25-2011, 06:05 PM
Daniels doesn't belong on that list.


Go back and watch the last quarter of the season and the games leading up to his injury in Buffailo in '09. Daniels is right there with the best.

We need to trade our blue chip defensive player fast before everyone outside of Houston realizes he sucks.

He's only rated 5th. They've already caught on and we won't be able to get a late 7th for him.

DocBar
08-25-2011, 07:52 PM
We need to trade our blue chip defensive player fast before everyone outside of Houston realizes he sucks.That was the Mario Williams formerly known as an NFL DE. This OLB version is not to be found on these list's. IMO, WP spoke the truth of this situation shortly after he was named DC.

fiasco west
08-25-2011, 07:54 PM
Daniels doesn't belong on that list.

....but Demeco Ryans? I wonder how many spots he missed by...

How 'bout the dig on Eric Winston?
"It's no coincidence all 10 play left tackle; it's where the best linemen play."

It's going only by last year and Ryans missed pretty much all of last year, but any normal year I think he'd be a red chip at the very least.

Ryans is a tackling machine! He was our best defensive player IMO before that injury and I think it is more than a coincidence that once he went down the Texans started to LOSE those close games rather than WIN them.

DocBar
08-25-2011, 07:59 PM
We need to trade our blue chip defensive player fast before everyone outside of Houston realizes he sucks.We should CONSIDER trading our WOLB ( Mario Williams) because he's changing positions, in the last year of his contract and not doing so well in the whole changing positions thing.

Daniels doesn't belong on that list.

....but Demeco Ryans? I wonder how many spots he missed by...

How 'bout the dig on Eric Winston?
"It's no coincidence all 10 play left tackle; it's where the best linemen play."Winston's best play comes on Sirius NFL channel. He's spotty at best in pass pro and not a great fit for ZBS. He prefers to road grade on run blocking.

badboy
08-25-2011, 09:34 PM
Blue chippers : AJ, Schaub & Foster
Red chippers: Mario, a healthy Ryans

Possible Blue Chippers this season: Mario, Tate, OD, Reed
Possible Red Chipper this season: Walter, Barwin, Duane Brown

Lucky
08-25-2011, 11:03 PM
Blue chippers : AJ, Schaub & Foster
Red chippers: Mario, a healthy Ryans

How is Schaub a blue chip QB? Yes, he's put up solid numbers. But, you have to win more games than you lose to be considered elite. You have to QB in some big games and win a few.

Matt hasn't made it. I hope he does. I think he can. But, he hasn't.

badboy
08-25-2011, 11:21 PM
How is Schaub a blue chip QB? Yes, he's put up solid numbers. But, you have to win more games than you lose to be considered elite. You have to QB in some big games and win a few.

Matt hasn't made it. I hope he does. I think he can. But, he hasn't.Schaub is not AJ. Having said that, using your statement, AJ has not won any more playoff games or SBs than Matt. I think Matt's passing yardage compares favorably to AJ's receiving yardage. I would agree that AJ is at upper "limit" and Schaub at a lower level of blue chip.

Lucky
08-25-2011, 11:28 PM
Schaub is not AJ. Having said that, using your statement, AJ has not won any more playoff games or SBs than Matt.
QBs are judged versus other QBs. It's the most important position on the field...by far. That he has the luxury of the best receiver in the game at his disposal possibly inflates Matt's stats. There's just no way Schaub can be put on the level of Manning, Brady, or Brees...yet.

gtexan02
08-25-2011, 11:29 PM
Foster has had one amazing year. Slaton had 1 great year too. Id like to see someone perform for more than 1 year before calling them a blue chipper. I think Foster is rated correctly

badboy
08-25-2011, 11:32 PM
QBs are judged versus other QBs. It's the most important position on the field...by far. That he has the luxury of the best receiver in the game at his disposal possibly inflates Matt's stats. There's just no way Schaub can be put on the level of Manning, Brady, or Brees...yet.I do not limit blue chip to those 3 QBs or top 5. I think Schaub could be #6 right now and after this season, top 5.

badboy
08-25-2011, 11:36 PM
Foster has had one amazing year. Slaton had 1 great year too. Id like to see someone perform for more than 1 year before calling them a blue chipper. I think Foster is rated correctlyHow many first full season players are the #1 at their position in NFL? Any blue chipper having a bad season this year will drop down the ranks. A 5 year blue chipper is more valuable than a 3 year blue chipper but both are blue.

gtexan02
08-25-2011, 11:52 PM
"1 year blue chipper" doesnt make sense though. A blue chip is someone you can count on year in and year out

steelbtexan
08-26-2011, 12:36 AM
Blue, AJ

Red

Schaub, Joseph, Foster,

Possible red

Cushing, Barwin, Ryans, D.Brown, Ryans, Watt

ObsiWan
08-26-2011, 01:00 AM
"1 year blue chipper" doesnt make sense though. A blue chip is someone you can count on year in and year out

Then how did Ndamukong Suh make the blue chip list? At #2 no less....

SteveSlaton20
08-26-2011, 01:25 AM
Daniels doesn't belong on that list.

....but Demeco Ryans? I wonder how many spots he missed by...

How 'bout the dig on Eric Winston?
"It's no coincidence all 10 play left tackle; it's where the best linemen play."

really? he's easily better than 4 of the guys on red chip and 1 on blue chip.

ObsiWan
08-26-2011, 01:46 AM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTkDIVuQj5F1-PrFwWhBXTSpN8jW25vYlnRe2zeYGY9vToAn2DIpQ
"Andre Johnson is so 'blue chip' if he drank Dos Equis I'd be out of a job"

GP
08-26-2011, 01:55 AM
Where's the category named "Cow Chipper"?

Previous Texans Cow Chip players:

Travis Johnson

Chris Brown

Amobi Okoye

ObsiWan
08-26-2011, 02:32 AM
Where's the category named "Cow Chipper"?

Previous Texans Cow Chip players:

Travis Johnson

Chris Brown

Amobi Okoye

you forgot HWNWNBM and Eric Moulds and Phillip Buchanan and (my personal fave) Tony Boselli

TimeKiller
08-26-2011, 08:40 AM
Go back and watch the last quarter of the season and the games leading up to his injury in Buffailo in '09. Daniels is right there with the best.

Pre-injury, yeah, he was on the list. At any point since then? No.

It's going only by last year and Ryans missed pretty much all of last year, but any normal year I think he'd be a red chip at the very least.

Ryans is a tackling machine! He was our best defensive player IMO before that injury and I think it is more than a coincidence that once he went down the Texans started to LOSE those close games rather than WIN them.
Ah, I see. I guess you can't make the list from the trainer's room.

Winston's best play comes on Sirius NFL channel. He's spotty at best in pass pro and not a great fit for ZBS. He prefers to road grade on run blocking.

I guess being the best RT in the league is like being the tallest kid in the special class?

DocBar
08-26-2011, 03:59 PM
Pre-injury, yeah, he was on the list. At any point since then? No.


Ah, I see. I guess you can't make the list from the trainer's room.


I guess being the best RT in the league is like being the tallest kid in the special class?
I was talking about Eric Winston of the Texans. No one mentioned the best rt in the league. Winston is serviceable but not the best in the league. Overall, I like our line but I bet that's where we draft next year. Brown is a better rt than lt.