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badboy
08-20-2011, 08:50 PM
Many may remember how disappointed I was with Texans not drafting Toby Gerhart. I was only slightly mollified when Texans traded back up for Ben Tate & thought they had mishandled the whole thing. Then last season, bam, Tate goes out for season and that only made me steam more. Well it isn't regular season but Ben Tate is looking like another Arian Foster. Big, Fast and catches the ball well. For those who might want a read on Tate's info before draft, see the following.
http://nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66552&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB

PockyAF
08-20-2011, 08:58 PM
Tate is amazing.. never lost faith in him. I'm glad he's proving the doubters wrong, not only with his talent, but with his obvious passion and love for the game (for the coaches/posters getting on him for his hammy injuries).

Above all, he's shown to have developed a veteran awareness to the game even though he missed his entire rookie season(where the defenders are, switching football to the outside hands when close to sidelines).... and he loves contact. Him & Foster is just going to be spectacular this year... dare I say, challenging the Panthers duo as the best in the league?

Ohhh, and I just remember this one goober freaking out after we passed on Gerhart for a trade down/Tate. Just going berserk everytime someone post something positive about Tate, especially if they post his highlights video(LOL!). Even going as far as keeping their stats in his signature as a comparison during the season.... and even taking it out his sign before the end of the season; when he realizes that Tate wasn't too far off from Gerhart production... while in his cast :vincepalm:

good times

Carr Bombed
08-20-2011, 09:04 PM
Ben Tate is the real deal and possesses everything to be a front line RB in this league. What's so impressive about his performance tonight is how he had it in his very first game back after not playing for almost a full year.

This kid showed me something tonight, he's going to be good.

badboy
08-20-2011, 09:07 PM
Hey, let's not forget Ward who did pretty well last season. I'd like to see Slaton do well just because I like the guy. I really enjoyed his rookie season.

DocBar
08-20-2011, 09:11 PM
Ben Tate is the real deal and possesses everything to be a front line RB in this league. What's so impressive about his performance tonight is how he had it in his very first performance after not playing for almost a full year.

This kid showed me something tonight, he's going to be good.

Hey, let's not forget Ward who did pretty well last season. I'd like to see Slaton do well just because I like the guy. I really enjoyed his rookie season.

Lets not forget that this is ONE preseason game out of two years. I'm as juice as anyone about his performance, but it is what it is and when what it is.

Showtime100
08-20-2011, 09:11 PM
I'll admit I'm pleasantly surprised by him this camp. To my mind I'd kind of written him off after the injury and the emergence of Arian Foster.

I'm loving him at the moment.

ArTex
08-20-2011, 09:12 PM
Hallucinate.
Desegregate.

Alleviate
Mediate


Try NOT to HATE


And LOVE BEN TATE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFUEgFdP5zE
http://www.megadik.nl/files/images/mediate.jpg


He's already done more than Bennie Joppru at least

Carr Bombed
08-20-2011, 09:18 PM
Lets not forget that this is ONE preseason game out of two years. I'm as juice as anyone about his performance, but it is what it is and when what it is.

He showed that he has the talent and skill though. He belongs on this level. Nobody is talking about his durability or the long haul. He still has to prove that. But he has the talent and instincts.

DocBar
08-20-2011, 09:23 PM
He showed that he has the talent and skill though. He belongs on this level. Nobody is talking about his durability or the long haul. He still has to prove that. But he has the talent and instincts.I agree, but I'm not ready to rename him Campbell yet. Too many were ready to do that after the ptiful performance of ob last week.

badboy
08-20-2011, 09:26 PM
Lets not forget that this is ONE preseason game out of two years. I'm as juice as anyone about his performance, but it is what it is and when what it is.Of course, but you look at the way he hits the holes, goes into 2nd gear when he gets past the line of scrimmage and the way he runs. He knows enough to move the ball away from the tackler to protect it and can do that in full stride. That is not an easy thing to do. He is so big 225 pounds and runs 4.4 forty. That is amazing. We have three bulldozers in Foster, Tate and Ward. We should now be able to pound the ball downfield if we need to.

Also want to say the first string offensive line look very good.

Carr Bombed
08-20-2011, 09:27 PM
I agree, but I'm not ready to rename him Campbell yet. Too many were ready to do that after the ptiful performance of ob last week.

I don't think anybody is calling the guy Earl. He flashed special abilities though. He just needs to stay healthy. He has that rare size/speed combination and is in a great system.

DocBar
08-20-2011, 09:30 PM
Of course, but you look at the way he hits the holes, goes into 2nd gear when he gets past the line of scrimmage and the way he runs. He knows enough to move the ball away from the tackler to protect it and can do that in full stride. That is not an easy thing to do. He is so big 225 pounds and runs 4.4 forty. That is amazing. We have three bulldozers in Foster, Tate and Ward. We should now be able to pound the ball downfield if we need to.

Also want to say the first string offensive line look very good.Please don't take my caution the wrong way. I'm happier than a sissy with a peter in his mouth right now. I just have to pinch myself right now.

badboy
08-20-2011, 09:38 PM
Please don't take my caution the wrong way. I'm happier than a sissy with a peter in his mouth right now. I just have to pinch myself right now.Ok with your caution but your 2nd sentence seems a bit much in a forum where children can read.

DocBar
08-20-2011, 09:39 PM
Ok with your caution but your 2nd sentence seems a bit much in a forum where children can read.hmmm...I thought I censored myself quite well. Apologies.

Showtime100
08-20-2011, 09:44 PM
How about a puppy with two peters?

DocBar
08-20-2011, 09:45 PM
How about a puppy with two peters?Now THAT is happy. I'm jee-louse.

DocBar
08-20-2011, 09:46 PM
How about having a 9.5-ish YPC??? That's a three puppy happy if I ever saw one.

badboy
08-20-2011, 09:47 PM
hmmm...I thought I censored myself quite well. Apologies.Appreciate you stepping up man. Unable to rep you so soon.

GuerillaBlack
08-20-2011, 09:48 PM
I agree, but I'm not ready to rename him Campbell yet. Too many were ready to do that after the ptiful performance of ob last week.

Not sure why anyone was trying to crown Obi after the game last week, but Tate clearly has the talent and skill to play in this league. Even on the run he got hurt on last year, he made a nice cut. Tate has vision and speed, too, something OB27 doesn't have.

Showtime100
08-20-2011, 09:48 PM
I'm all for it. :turtle:

I think a kid can handle that one. :D

DocBar
08-20-2011, 09:49 PM
Appreciate you stepping up man. Unable to rep you so soon.Didn't realize that was so risque. Wasn't trying to be lewd.

Showtime100
08-20-2011, 09:49 PM
Appreciate you stepping up man. Unable to rep you so soon.

I tried to get him for ya but he's got to wait for mine too. :jogger:

badboy
08-20-2011, 09:58 PM
Didn't realize that was so risque. Wasn't trying to be lewd.You seem to be a classy guy & just pushing the line a bit for humor. I would not have mentioned it if I did not respect you. Enough said.

DocBar
08-20-2011, 09:59 PM
You seem to be a classy guy & just pushing the line a bit for humor. I would not have mentioned it if I did not respect you. Enough said.Thank you....thank you very much...we need an Elvis smilie....

TexansFanatic
08-20-2011, 10:24 PM
There is suddenly an embarrassment of riches at the running back position in Houston.

The second string running back is paid better than the first string running back. Is anybody else seeing the inevitable dilemma facing the general manager at the end of this season?

Foster is going to want a payday. But if Tate pans out as a viable number one, wouldn't it be wise to trade Foster and let someone else pay him?

I'm going to enjoy this season and see how it plays out, but that's what I'm seeing developing here.

chicagotexan2
08-20-2011, 10:26 PM
Tate looks really good. I hope his health doesn't fail him. He looks like hershecl walker the way he runs. I am excited even though I know it's only preseason I can't help it.

Ben said 'saints tell me how my ass Tate'

DocBar
08-20-2011, 10:31 PM
There is suddenly an embarrassment of riches at the running back position in Houston.

The second string running back is paid better than the first string running back. Is anybody else seeing the inevitable dilemma facing the general manager at the end of this season?

Foster is going to want a payday. But if Tate pans out as a viable number one, wouldn't it be wise to trade Foster and let someone else pay him?

I'm going to enjoy this season and see how it plays out, but that's what I'm seeing developing here.I've been thinking on this some. Do you take Foster at his word or does he go all Chris Johnson? That should be avery fluid situation. How many carries, ypc, situations, 1st downs, touchdowns. It will be a mess if he decides he wants the money. We are at salary cap hell right now.

fiasco west
08-20-2011, 10:32 PM
There is suddenly an embarrassment of riches at the running back position in Houston.

The second string running back is paid better than the first string running back. Is anybody else seeing the inevitable dilemma facing the general manager at the end of this season?

Foster is going to want a payday. But if Tate pans out as a viable number one, wouldn't it be wise to trade Foster and let someone else pay him?

I'm going to enjoy this season and see how it plays out, but that's what I'm seeing developing here.

Nah I think the odd man out will be Ward. He's a good RB too but if Tate can be that explosive in the regular season the Texans are keeping both around some way some how. Hopefully we can hang onto them both and we'll have a similar duo like how the Jags had Fred Jackson and MJD.

TexansFanatic
08-20-2011, 10:39 PM
I've been thinking on this some. Do you take Foster at his word or does he go all Chris Johnson? That should be avery fluid situation. How many carries, ypc, situations, 1st downs, touchdowns. It will be a mess if he decides he wants the money. We are at salary cap hell right now.

Tate's salary is probably low enough to accommodate a big payday for Foster. But is it wise to keep two marquee running backs when you can use that money to address another position?

Obviously I'm making some massive assumptions, but it's something to think about.

DocBar
08-20-2011, 10:43 PM
Nah I think the odd man out will be Ward. He's a good RB too but if Tate can be that explosive in the regular season the Texans are keeping both around some way some how. Hopefully we can hang onto them both and we'll have a similar duo like how the Jags had Fred Jackson and MJD.????????????????????????????????????????????? We're gonna cut Ward, who averaged 6.3 YPC last season and 4.9 YPC career, for who???? Dude, that's as effed up as a football bat. Step away from the Astro's and drop the fiasco....just sayin...:scarygirl:
After 2 PS games, if anyone is getting cut or trade, it's OG or SS. The only way I'd trade Foster is for a deal like the cOwboys got for Walker, or for AP or CJ, straight up.

fiasco west
08-20-2011, 10:46 PM
????????????????????????????????????????????? We're gonna cut Ward, who averaged 6.3 YPC last season and 4.9 YPC career, for who???? Dude, that's as effed up as a football bat. Step away from the Astro's and drop the fiasco....just sayin...:scarygirl:
After 2 PS games, if anyone is getting cut or trade, it's OG or SS. The only way I'd trade Foster is for a deal like the cOwboys got for Walker, or for AP or CJ, straight up.

We are talking about the future not the present. Ward obviously is not getting cut. But at the same time the dude is not going to sit around and be a 3rd string RB unless he just loves the city and is content to end his career here.

I only meant that the odd man out is Ward because if Tate is as good as he looks than the Texans like any normal NFL team is going to go with the younger HB over the vet one.

GuerillaBlack
08-20-2011, 10:47 PM
I've been thinking on this some. Do you take Foster at his word or does he go all Chris Johnson? That should be avery fluid situation. How many carries, ypc, situations, 1st downs, touchdowns. It will be a mess if he decides he wants the money. We are at salary cap hell right now.

As long as the salary cap increases like it is suppose to once the new TV contracts start in 2013, we should be fine.

badboy
08-20-2011, 10:53 PM
There is suddenly an embarrassment of riches at the running back position in Houston.

The second string running back is paid better than the first string running back. Is anybody else seeing the inevitable dilemma facing the general manager at the end of this season?

Foster is going to want a payday. But if Tate pans out as a viable number one, wouldn't it be wise to trade Foster and let someone else pay him?

I'm going to enjoy this season and see how it plays out, but that's what I'm seeing developing here.No, unless we get an unbelievable offer. We (Texans) control Foster's situation as we do Mario's. Difference is Foster was best RB in NFL last season and shows no sign of relinquishing the title easily. Mario is not the best DE and is so so as OLB thus far.

Foster will get huge raise even if tagged and Tate is under contract so he has nothing to say unless he gets stupid like a certain QB on another team. This is where we start building team strength. Man, I am so looking forward to next draft. We could be looking for best player availabe every round rather than positional needs.

Come on cornerbacks and safeties. Get better quickly.

CloakNNNdagger
08-20-2011, 10:54 PM
TATEr Masher............Tate it to the Beach!

fiasco west
08-20-2011, 10:57 PM
Give some credit to the Oline and their run blocking. It is great. Tate was barely touched on his first TD. That 23-28 yard TD from Foster, he beat one guy and everyone else was just out of the play.

Kubes brought in this ZBS and it took awhile to get it going, but now that it has pretty much any guy that gets put back there produces. NOT saying that you can find a Foster or Tate anywhere, when you see those guys run you see the dynamic ability. You see that they can turn a one yard loss to a 5 yard gain. With Obi you see he gets exactly what the line gives him most of the time.

DocBar
08-20-2011, 10:59 PM
As long as the salary cap increases like it is suppose to once the new TV contracts start in 2013, we should be fine.Only if we lose MW or sign him to a radically revised, cap friendly contract.

DocBar
08-20-2011, 11:00 PM
TATEr Masher............Tate it to the Beach!That was bad, CnD.

Norg
08-20-2011, 11:03 PM
the shannhan tree of coaches are know to plug any running back in and they will do solid

DocBar
08-20-2011, 11:04 PM
the shannhan tree of coaches are know to plug any running back in and they will do solidThey are also noted for running good RB's in the ground before they get rid of them.

TexansFanatic
08-20-2011, 11:05 PM
the shannhan tree of coaches are know to plug any running back in and they will do solid

Bingo. Which is why I can't see the organization paying two running backs starter money. Why do that when you can just go out and get an undrafted free agent and plug him in.

GuerillaBlack
08-20-2011, 11:08 PM
Only if we lose MW or sign him to a radically revised, cap friendly contract.

They could just do what they did to AJ, Antonio, and Meco...give Mario and Arian huge signing bonuses so they don't count against the cap. I was very impressed with Tate though. He has such great vision and speed. He's like Arian almost.

MEGA SWATT
08-20-2011, 11:08 PM
BT looking really really good:turtle:

fiasco west
08-20-2011, 11:13 PM
They could just do what they did to AJ, Antonio, and Meco...give Mario and Arian huge signing bonuses so they don't count against the cap. I was very impressed with Tate though. He has such great vision and speed. He's like Arian almost.

He kinda reminds me of a bigger MJD. His lower body seems very strong, at one point in the game...the part where the Saints were flagged for unnecessary roughness...Tate had a DT literally hanging on his back and this big 300+ lb dude still couldn't bring him down.

I also agree though that there are ways to play with the cap so that you can keep all your key guys. Just look at the Eagles, it looks like they don't even have a cap.

badboy
08-20-2011, 11:15 PM
Give some credit to the Oline and their run blocking. It is great. Tate was barely touched on his first TD. That 23-28 yard TD from Foster, he beat one guy and everyone else was just out of the play.

Kubes brought in this ZBS and it took awhile to get it going, but now that it has pretty much any guy that gets put back there produces. NOT saying that you can find a Foster or Tate anywhere, when you see those guys run you see the dynamic ability. You see that they can turn a one yard loss to a 5 yard gain. With Obi you see he gets exactly what the line gives him most of the time.Absolutely not true. I discussed this on another thread and Kubes ZBS has had only two RBs do well. Slayton in his rookie year and Foster in his first non-injured year, although he did look good in the last few gamnes two seasons ago after injury.

The ZBS is now working because of whom we have on Oline. None are great players but fit system well and are now healthy and working well together. If our team continues to develop, I could see us drafting O linemen in next draft rather high.

Corrosion
08-20-2011, 11:16 PM
Many may remember how disappointed I was with Texans not drafting Toby Gerhart. I was only slightly mollified when Texans traded back up for Ben Tate & thought they had mishandled the whole thing. Then last season, bam, Tate goes out for season and that only made me steam more. Well it isn't regular season but Ben Tate is looking like another Arian Foster. Big, Fast and catches the ball well. For those who might want a read on Tate's info before draft, see the following.
http://nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66552&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB

I know you and I went back and forth on Tate - Gerhart during that draft .... Its good to see Tate show us why he was drafted so high. Both he and Foster looked like they coulda run all over the Aints all night long ...

fiasco west
08-20-2011, 11:21 PM
Absolutely not true. I discussed this on another thread and Kubes ZBS has had only two RBs do well. Slayton in his rookie year and Foster in his first non-injured year, although he did look good in the last few gamnes two seasons ago after injury.

The ZBS is now working because of whom we have on Oline. None are great players but fit system well and are now healthy and working well together. If our team continues to develop, I could see us drafting O linemen in next draft rather high.

Derrick Ward didn't produce? The year after Slaton's rookie year was such a mash-up of RBs and that was what led to drafting Tate. But obviously the talent on the Oline has a lot to do with why it is working now, that's why at the very start of that post I said give credit to those guys too. Any ways it is true since i'm talking about recently and not about when Slaton was the premier HB for the Texans.

badboy
08-20-2011, 11:27 PM
I know you and I went back and forth on Tate - Gerhart during that draft .... Its good to see Tate show us why he was drafted so high. Both he and Foster looked like they coulda run all over the Aints all night long ...Yep, I was thoroughly disgusted with Smith that draft. Still think Gerhart would have been awesome but I also wanted to get away from ZBS and use a more in your face, knock the Dline back type. The odd thing is this corps of RBs would do as well in my preferred system as in ZBS. If I remember correctly we had to give up a significant draft choice to trade back up to get Tate & that is what really made me hot. We could have had Toby and the other pick. I was not so much against Tate but the way the whole fiasco took place.

badboy
08-20-2011, 11:32 PM
Derrick Ward didn't produce? The year after Slaton's rookie year was such a mash-up of RBs and that was what led to drafting Tate. But obviously the talent on the Oline has a lot to do with why it is working now, that's why at the very start of that post I said give credit to those guys too. Any ways it is true since i'm talking about recently and not about when Slaton was the premier HB for the Texans.50 attempts for 315 yards is great per carry but no one gets excited with an RB with 300 yds. I think it is understood the other post was refering to Denver's backs who would get 1,000 yds per season.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5760/derrick-ward

fiasco west
08-20-2011, 11:43 PM
50 attempts for 315 yards is great per carry but no one gets excited with an RB with 300 yds. I think it is understood the other post was refering to Denver's backs who would get 1,000 yds per season.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5760/derrick-ward

Ward averaged 6 ypc though. It's not his fault for not getting more carries, it was Kubes for never really giving him the ball. Foster had a tremendous amount of carries last year which is great, but a few more years of that....

But Kubes has not been around that long, and the ZBS is not something that is easily learned. It's taken a few years which is why I meant that now it looks to be paying off. The first few years with Dayne was alright, he was okay but nothing to get excited about and the ZBS was still being implemented and the line was still being tweaked. The 09 season with Chris Brown and Ryan Moats was the season where we got no production out of the RB position though. Now the line is pretty much solid. I can see us picking up another guard in the first 3 rounds or a swing tackle for reserve though.

Right now pretty much any guy that comes in the game produces. Derrick Ward is producing despite the small amount of carries he's been given.

Corrosion
08-20-2011, 11:44 PM
Yep, I was thoroughly disgusted with Smith that draft. Still think Gerhart would have been awesome but I also wanted to get away from ZBS and use a more in your face, knock the Dline back type. The odd thing is this corps of RBs would do as well in my preferred system as in ZBS. If I remember correctly we had to give up a significant draft choice to trade back up to get Tate & that is what really made me hot. We could have had Toby and the other pick. I was not so much against Tate but the way the whole fiasco took place.

They traded out of the second round when they could have taken Gerhart or Tate and gained a 3rd & 4th rounder I believe .... Then they traded the 3rd & a 5th for the right to select Tate if my memory serves ..... So they actually came out ahead by trading back then up ...

Either way , Tate made Smith & Kubiak look real good in the decision to take him .... If he hadnt been injured he may have been the lead back last season ....

MEGA SWATT
08-20-2011, 11:49 PM
they traded out of the second round when they could have taken gerhart or tate and gained a 3rd & 4th rounder i believe .... Then they traded the 3rd & a 5th for the right to select tate if my memory serves ..... So they actually came out ahead by trading back then up ...

Either way , tate made smith & kubiak look real good in the decision to take him .... If he hadnt been injured he may have been the lead back last season ....

yes

HuttoKarl
08-20-2011, 11:54 PM
How about a puppy with two peters?

pig in shiz?

badboy
08-20-2011, 11:57 PM
Ward averaged 6 ypc though. It's not his fault for not getting more carries, it was Kubes for never really giving him the ball. Foster had a tremendous amount of carries last year which is great, but a few more years of that....

But Kubes has not been around that long, and the ZBS is not something that is easily learned. It's taken a few years which is why I meant that now it looks to be paying off. The first few years with Dayne was alright, he was okay but nothing to get excited about and the ZBS was still being implemented and the line was still being tweaked. The 09 season with Chris Brown and Ryan Moats was the season where we got no production out of the RB position though. Now the line is pretty much solid. I can see us picking up another guard in the first 3 rounds or a swing tackle for reserve though.

Right now pretty much any guy that comes in the game produces. Derrick Ward is producing despite the small amount of carries he's been given.Good debate but define "all right" with Dayne. He avg 4.0 & 4.1 his two years and never rushed for over 775 yards. Again not a Denver type 1,000 yard back. Enjoyed the debate but going to sleep now.

badboy
08-21-2011, 12:00 AM
They traded out of the second round when they could have taken Gerhart or Tate and gained a 3rd & 4th rounder I believe .... Then they traded the 3rd & a 5th for the right to select Tate if my memory serves ..... So they actually came out ahead by trading back then up ...

Either way , Tate made Smith & Kubiak look real good in the decision to take him .... If he hadnt been injured he may have been the lead back last season ....I think Tate will make me forget Toby who?

rmartin65
08-21-2011, 12:09 AM
Ohhh, and I just remember this one goober freaking out after we passed on Gerhart for a trade down/Tate. Just going berserk everytime someone post something positive about Tate, especially if they post his highlights video(LOL!). Even going as far as keeping their stats in his signature as a comparison during the season.... and even taking it out his sign before the end of the season; when he realizes that Tate wasn't too far off from Gerhart production... while in his cast :vincepalm:

good times

**** happens. I may have been wrong, I may not be wrong. Who cares?

Also, I think you might want to check some facts. I said multiple times Tate was my second choice, I just preferred Gerhart. But hey, lets anoint Tate the second coming of Jesus after 9 carries. That sounds good.

As for the sig, I took it down in week 3 (I think) after another poster brought up the valid point that it was an unfair comparison, as Tate was hurt.

But anyway, back to the topic-

Glad to see the stats, I wish I could have watched the game. He has all the side/speed measurables that you want in a back, hopefully he and Foster can turn into a sick combo.

badboy
08-21-2011, 12:12 AM
**** happens. I may have been wrong, I may not be wrong. Who cares?

Also, I think you might want to check some facts. I said multiple times Tate was my second choice, I just preferred Gerhart. But hey, lets anoint Tate the second coming of Jesus after 9 carries. That sounds good.

As for the sig, I took it down in week 3 (I think) after another poster brought up the valid point that it was an unfair comparison, as Tate was hurt.

But anyway, back to the topic-

Glad to see the stats, I wish I could have watched the game. He has all the side/speed measurables that you want in a back, hopefully he and Foster can turn into a sick combo.Hey 65! Glad I saw your post before going to sleep. How is Moscow? When you coming home? Let's see a BPA draft mock as it might just happen that way for first time ever. Don't allow them to get to you about Gerhart. He would have been a good pick.

Corrosion
08-21-2011, 12:20 AM
I think Tate will make me forget Toby who?

Gerhart's a good player .... I really like him too. He's more of an in your face power back. I think with the right team (Pittsburgh or NE maybe) he is a stud ....

badboy
08-21-2011, 12:26 AM
Gerhart's a good player .... I really like him too. He's more of an in your face power back. I think with the right team (Pittsburgh or NE maybe) he is a stud ....Agree that he is not a ZBS type back but I was hoping for an offensive change. Winston has often said he preferred a more push 'em back style. Myers is probably only starter that would do better in a ZBS.

Corrosion
08-21-2011, 01:03 AM
**** happens. I may have been wrong, I may not be wrong. Who cares?

Also, I think you might want to check some facts. I said multiple times Tate was my second choice, I just preferred Gerhart. But hey, lets anoint Tate the second coming of Jesus after 9 carries. That sounds good.

As for the sig, I took it down in week 3 (I think) after another poster brought up the valid point that it was an unfair comparison, as Tate was hurt.

But anyway, back to the topic-

Glad to see the stats, I wish I could have watched the game. He has all the side/speed measurables that you want in a back, hopefully he and Foster can turn into a sick combo.

I can vouch for that as you were part of that same discussion with Badboy and myself ....

Tate looked really good tonight. He was a load .... Took multiple defenders to take him down , constant forward motion .... and plenty of yards after contact.

The Aints run defense gave up a league high 5.5 ypc last season .... The Texans downright abused them tonight.

By the way , check out the front page of NFL.com .... Link (http://www.nfl.com/)

And a link to the story (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011082051/2011/PRE2/saints@texans?module=HP11_cp#tab:recap/recap-channels:cat-post-recap-full-story)

Foster, Tate return to fold, punch out Saints D

DocBar
08-21-2011, 01:06 AM
They could just do what they did to AJ, Antonio, and Meco...give Mario and Arian huge signing bonuses so they don't count against the cap. I was very impressed with Tate though. He has such great vision and speed. He's like Arian almost.ummm yeah.

Corrosion
08-21-2011, 01:06 AM
Here's one of the responses to the game recap on NFL.com obviously from a Aints fan.



I am concern about the SAINTS DEFENSE they was getting torched,congrats to the texans(man they look good)

SteveSlaton20
08-21-2011, 02:32 AM
loving the guy so far. glad we didn't get the slow white rb lol...

i think slaton is gonna be the odd man out.

Foster #1, Derrick Ward #2a, Ben Tate #2b

Wolf6151
08-21-2011, 02:52 AM
Many may remember how disappointed I was with Texans not drafting Toby Gerhart. I was only slightly mollified when Texans traded back up for Ben Tate & thought they had mishandled the whole thing. Then last season, bam, Tate goes out for season and that only made me steam more. Well it isn't regular season but Ben Tate is looking like another Arian Foster. Big, Fast and catches the ball well. For those who might want a read on Tate's info before draft, see the following.
http://nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66552&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB

I remember your love for TG, I thought you might elope with him down to the montrose crowd. JK, no offense intended, just harassing you a little. :handshake: I knew then Tate would be great for our one cut and go style of running. Let's just hope he stays healthy and productive.

powerfuldragon
08-21-2011, 03:00 AM
honestly?? not a fan of the nickname.

salads aren't tough.

:kitten:

chicagotexan2
08-21-2011, 09:35 AM
honestly?? not a fan of the nickname.

salads aren't tough.

:kitten:

Then join me in starting the official Ben Dick Tates fan club.

DocBar
08-21-2011, 10:02 AM
honestly?? not a fan of the nickname.

salads aren't tough.

:kitten:But if salad is your nickname, I bet you get tough and in a hurry.

TexansFanatic
08-21-2011, 10:20 AM
But if salad is your nickname, I bet you get tough and in a hurry.

Just ask Rosey Grier.

gary
08-21-2011, 10:27 AM
95 yards and a 43 yard TD run is great but I would not trade anyone just yet because running backs go down so easily in this league.

BattleRedToro
08-21-2011, 10:59 AM
I can vouch for that as you were part of that same discussion with Badboy and myself ....

Tate looked really good tonight. He was a load .... Took multiple defenders to take him down , constant forward motion .... and plenty of yards after contact.

The Aints run defense gave up a league high 5.5 ypc last season .... The Texans downright abused them tonight.

By the way , check out the front page of NFL.com .... Link (http://www.nfl.com/)

And a link to the story (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011082051/2011/PRE2/saints@texans?module=HP11_cp#tab:recap/recap-channels:cat-post-recap-full-story)

The Saints were bad against the run last year, but it is important to note that they attempted to address this issue by signing Aubrayo Franklin and Shaun Rogers. I saw that Rogers played last night. Did Franklin play as well? If he did, it seems that despite these additions the Texans were still able to run very well.

Lucky
08-21-2011, 11:30 AM
Did Franklin play as well? If he did, it seems that despite these additions the Texans were still able to run very well.
Franklin sprained an ankle in the 1st half.

DocBar
08-21-2011, 11:44 AM
Franklin sprained an ankle in the 1st half.He probably got juked by Foster or Tate. Those guys have some seriously good moves, vision and burst. Like we did last season, I have a feeling we're going to downright embarass some teams/players with the running game this year.:breakdance:

powerfuldragon
08-21-2011, 03:43 PM
Then join me in starting the official Ben Dick Tates fan club.
ha.
But if salad is your nickname, I bet you get tough and in a hurry.

right, but i think that just tater might be better or the tate train or something... i dunno. :jogger:

Porky
08-21-2011, 04:13 PM
Agree that he is not a ZBS type back but I was hoping for an offensive change. Winston has often said he preferred a more push 'em back style. Myers is probably only starter that would do better in a ZBS.

We had the leagues leading rusher. Exactly how much better do you want to get then that? And why on earth would anyone consider changing a thing? Makes no sense.

JB
08-21-2011, 05:37 PM
We had the leagues leading rusher. Exactly how much better do you want to get then that? And why on earth would anyone consider changing a thing? Makes no sense.

I believe he was talking about his feelings during the offseason before last year, not this one.

DocBar
08-21-2011, 05:42 PM
ha.


right, but i think that just tater might be better or the tate train or something... i dunno. :jogger:They call me...Tater Salad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7WLfY2455o)...gotta laugh at that.

prostock101
08-21-2011, 06:38 PM
So what if Slaton comes back next week and rips it up like Foster and Tate?

Do we keep 4 RB's or does he hit the auction block?

ObsiWan
08-21-2011, 06:59 PM
So what if Slaton comes back next week and rips it up like Foster and Tate?

Do we keep 4 RB's or does he hit the auction block?

I've been wondering about that myself.
If it were me, I'd let Ward go. He's very steady but doesn't have the breakaway speed the other guys do.

If you were a defensive coordinator, which of the four would worry you the least if they were isolated on your MLB?

DocBar
08-21-2011, 07:11 PM
I've been wondering about that myself.
If it were me, I'd let Ward go. He's very steady but doesn't have the breakaway speed the other guys do.

If you were a defensive coordinator, which of the four would worry you the least if they were isolated on your MLB?Ward also doesn't have fumblitis like SS. I'm a bigger fan of Ward than I am SS.

The Pencil Neck
08-21-2011, 07:24 PM
If it was me, I'd try to deal Slaton.

If I couldn't deal him, I'd probably keep him. Just in case. And if/when someone goes down on another team, we'd be able to deal him then.

DocBar
08-21-2011, 07:29 PM
If it was me, I'd try to deal Slaton.

If I couldn't deal him, I'd probably keep him. Just in case. And if/when someone goes down on another team, we'd be able to deal him then.What would you do with him if you kept him? I wouldn't trust him to hold on to the ball, he absolutely sux as a returner, he's too small to play ST coverage teams. Just a lot of negatives with him if he isn't a productive back. I would deal him and not be too picky about what I got in return.

The Pencil Neck
08-21-2011, 07:31 PM
What would you do with him if you kept him? I wouldn't trust him to hold on to the ball, he absolutely sux as a returner, he's too small to play ST coverage teams. Just a lot of negatives with him if he isn't a productive back. I would deal him and not be too picky about what I got in return.

He's the 4th back. He doesn't even get activated for the 46 on gameday.

You go with Foster, Tate, and Ward. If one of them gets injured, Slaton steps up and becomes the 3rd back.

JB
08-21-2011, 07:33 PM
What would you do with him if you kept him? I wouldn't trust him to hold on to the ball, he absolutely sux as a returner, he's too small to play ST coverage teams. Just a lot of negatives with him if he isn't a productive back. I would deal him and not be too picky about what I got in return.

I think the question is Could you deal him? There has to be someone willing to give something for him. The other teams may look at it just like they did Okoye. Just wait and let the Texans release him.

DocBar
08-21-2011, 07:34 PM
He's the 4th back. He doesn't even get activated for the 46 on gameday.

You go with Foster, Tate, and Ward. If one of them gets injured, Slaton steps up and becomes the 3rd back.At $550,000 he's not breaking the bank, so that's not a bad idea at all.

DocBar
08-21-2011, 07:36 PM
I think the question is Could you deal him? There has to be someone willing to give something for him. The other teams may look at it just like they did Okoye. Just wait and let the Texans release him.That's why I said I wouldn't be too picky about what I got in return. The Texans are horrible with these types of personnel decisions. By the time we try to trade them, it's more than obvious we'll just release them. I don't think we'll see Rick Smith in the WSOP any time soon.

badboy
08-21-2011, 07:42 PM
honestly?? not a fan of the nickname.

salads aren't tough.

:kitten:Really? Get a hold of a bad one and it will knock the S--- out of you.

Porky
08-21-2011, 07:44 PM
He's the 4th back. He doesn't even get activated for the 46 on gameday.

You go with Foster, Tate, and Ward. If one of them gets injured, Slaton steps up and becomes the 3rd back.

^^^ This.

Why deal him for not much, or release him and get nothing. We have one back with proven durability/health issues. Keep Slaton, but make him inactive until/unless one of the others is on the shelf. Slaton is going to be far better than what you will find off the scrap heap.

badboy
08-21-2011, 07:59 PM
We had the leagues leading rusher. Exactly how much better do you want to get then that? And why on earth would anyone consider changing a thing? Makes no sense.Porky, keep in mind that draft was before Foster had established himself. He was coming off a rookie year as a UDFA who was injured early and got into Kubiak's dog house. He looked good in 3 of the last 4 games the season before. SLaton was proving not to be much of an option and RB was a "Dire Need" as stated by Gary. I prefer an Earl Campbell type rather than a Reggie Bush. Infantrycak and I used to go back and forth with him listing examples of small fast RBs who had success in NFL. My opinion is there can be an exception to most rules but more often than not a big, strong anything is better than a light, fast anything. This was my arguement during that same time span about our "light" DTs. To be fair, under previous D management, the Dline did slow the opponent's rushing attack (another Kubiak priority need).

I have said I am not a fan of the ZBS over my style of offense. I have also said the ZBS with right players can be successful. We seem to have finally accumulated a decent Oline, tight ends to compliment AJ and big, strong RBs who just happen to be pretty damn fast too.

Foster is the brisket that everyone loves, but most Texans like their "tater salad".

GuerillaBlack
08-21-2011, 08:12 PM
^^^ This.

Why deal him for not much, or release him and get nothing. We have one back with proven durability/health issues. Keep Slaton, but make him inactive until/unless one of the others is on the shelf. Slaton is going to be far better than what you will find off the scrap heap.

Tate had one freak ankle injury and hamstring issues like every RB had on the team this training camp. He wasn't injured in college, so I think Tate will be fine. Look what he did with almost no practice.

DocBar
08-21-2011, 08:18 PM
Porky, keep in mind that draft was before Foster had established himself. He was coming off a rookie year as a UDFA who was injured early and got into Kubiak's dog house. He looked good in 3 of the last 4 games the season before. SLaton was proving not to be much of an option and RB was a "Dire Need" as stated by Gary. I prefer an Earl Campbell type rather than a Reggie Bush. Infantrycak and I used to go back and forth with him listing examples of small fast RBs who had success in NFL. My opinion is there can be an exception to most rules but more often than not a big, strong anything is better than a light, fast anything. This was my arguement during that same time span about our "light" DTs. To be fair, under previous D management, the Dline did slow the opponent's rushing attack (another Kubiak priority need).

I have said I am not a fan of the ZBS over my style of offense. I have also said the ZBS with right players can be successful. We seem to have finally accumulated a decent Oline, tight ends to compliment AJ and big, strong RBs who just happen to be pretty damn fast too.

Foster is the brisket that everyone loves, but most Texans like their "tater salad".Ya gotta have your tater salad to go with your brisket. Ain't a proper barbecue without it. Why would you need a change of pace back when you have 3 similar guys that can run the ball down your throat.

GlassHalfFull
08-21-2011, 09:13 PM
Ya gotta have your tater salad to go with your brisket. Ain't a proper barbecue without it. Why would you need a change of pace back when you have 3 similar guys that can run the ball down your throat.

Homemade potato salad is the best. None of this HEB premade crap.

:hides:

Hopefully, Wolf doesn't visit this thread.

Tate looked really great last night, fun game. I am so ready for the real games to begin.

chicagotexan2
08-22-2011, 10:14 AM
ha.


right, but i think that just tater might be better or the tate train or something... i dunno. :jogger:

How about the Termi-tater?
Tater-nator?
Better Tate than never?
Master-Tates?

badboy
08-22-2011, 10:30 AM
"I cannot believe anyone would nickname someone tater salad." signed Ron White

El Tejano
08-22-2011, 10:49 AM
You gotta love a RB who does a throw back dance of Billy "White Shoes" Johnson's Funky Chicken, who was the best endzone dancer ever, and knows when to switch the ball in his hands and get out of bounds to stop the clock when running a less than one minute offense.

badboy
08-22-2011, 11:13 AM
You gotta love a RB who does a throw back dance of Billy "White Shoes" Johnson's Funky Chicken, who was the best endzone dancer ever, and knows when to switch the ball in his hands and get out of bounds to stop the clock when running a less than one minute offense.I mentioned this before somewhere & not sure how many fans caught that. That is the maturity of a vet often not found in rookies.

El Tejano
08-22-2011, 07:16 PM
I mentioned this before somewhere & not sure how many fans caught that. That is the maturity of a vet often not found in rookies.

As soon as I saw the two defenders in front I said to my dad "is he gonna hit em or go out?" When he went out we both looked at each other and said "and he runs smart".

powerfuldragon
08-23-2011, 01:03 PM
How about the Termi-tater?
Tater-nator?
Better Tate than never?
Master-Tates?

aw man... better tate than never'd better sum up his career.

chicagotexan2
08-23-2011, 01:09 PM
Well I just hope master-Tates doesn't blow his yardage wad in the preseason.

badboy
08-23-2011, 01:11 PM
As soon as I saw the two defenders in front I said to my dad "is he gonna hit em or go out?" When he went out we both looked at each other and said "and he runs smart".That same moment I went uh oh, Earfl Campbell? Then he stepped out and I smiled big. :jogger:

Wolf
08-27-2011, 02:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-po7YcQ2oc&feature=share

SR610: Ben Tate ignites Texans offense