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HardKnockTexan
04-23-2005, 03:24 PM
well.... that just made my heart sink... i expect another trade down now... or they take Spears or Clayton... but whatever.. DJ was the man i wanted.. blah blah blah

TexanBacker93
04-23-2005, 03:24 PM
The price for trade down was not worth it. Shoulda been a 3rd this yr. Hell keep saying no and no and no because they were desperate for Jammal Brown, make them part with their 2nd round pick.


For all we know, CC asked for a pick next year. Next year will be a better class and having 2 or more 3rd rounders gives them a chance to maybe get 2 1st round picks or 2 2nd round picks.

It's clear that the Texans didn't have DJ #1 on their board.

Spears, Pollack, James. All would be good fits in our defense.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 03:24 PM
Oh goody, another commercial break...

Texan in Japan
04-23-2005, 03:24 PM
Trade down again...let's get a 2nd.

PapaL
04-23-2005, 03:24 PM
Wow another commerical, what are the chances?

ledzeppelin229
04-23-2005, 03:25 PM
We trade down and still get commercial

Ok, so what's the plan? Hopefully some teams will fight over Rodgers and we'll get a good deal to trade down some more...

ThaShark316
04-23-2005, 03:25 PM
Please no Barron... :thumbdown

DRIFTAWAY
04-23-2005, 03:25 PM
I will project Marcus Spears as the next Houston Texan.

Although we should trade down again, we wont and CC has come out as a gigantic loser.

TheRealJoker
04-23-2005, 03:25 PM
No!!!

Only An Awesome Trade Down Will Work None Of That 3rd Next Year ****!!!

USMC_dude
04-23-2005, 03:25 PM
Big deal they passed on DJ. There were 14 other teams who passed on him too. Can we at least wait for the Texans to make a selection before we start criticizing them.


I agree. Look at our past. We are gonna get some good players. I just want to see some strong defense (buchannon) and a good left tackle. just 3 good picks... please.

Grid
04-23-2005, 03:25 PM
If we get David Pollack im throwing a party :)

utahmark
04-23-2005, 03:26 PM
spears!!!!!!!!!

DRIFTAWAY
04-23-2005, 03:26 PM
Carolina screwed us by not taking Barron

TexanBacker93
04-23-2005, 03:26 PM
casserly screwed up or draft thank you charley your the man no wonder you got ran out of washington.

Well, obviously, other teams agreed with Casserly that DJ wasn't the best player in the draft. He's a Texas favorite and I would have loved to see him in Houston, but that doesn't make him the best choice. Casserly knows much more than any of us about this.

jacquescas
04-23-2005, 03:26 PM
spears, barron, or trade down

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 03:26 PM
Some people just cant see past their own nose.

ive got 4 words for you.

Carr
Johnson
Robinson
Babin


4 more

shut the heck up here is 4 more Gaffney Hollings Joppru and Wand. Denial is tough. It is easy to draft winners in the top 10. The rest of th edraft he has gotten schooled outside of DD.

ccdude730
04-23-2005, 03:26 PM
honestly, who cares about lime green hatchbacks? get to the draft already! i hate commercials

Texan-Bull04
04-23-2005, 03:26 PM
true texans support other texans and we should of gotten DJ

nunusguy
04-23-2005, 03:26 PM
Clayton best WR out there - hope we take him !

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 03:26 PM
I say eff it, trade down with GB and get either a 2nd this year or a 1st next year...

TigerBait
04-23-2005, 03:27 PM
I say we trade down with the St.Louis, they want a OT.

TexansCanes
04-23-2005, 03:27 PM
Some people just cant see past their own nose.

ive got 4 words for you.

Carr
Johnson
Robinson
Babin


4 more

shut the heck up

exactly, i trust charlie, he knows more than all of us, thats why he is a gm and we aren't. every year these guys come out of the woodworks and complain about what we do, just shut up.

Vinny
04-23-2005, 03:27 PM
610am is saying Travis Johnson will be the pick.

DRIFTAWAY
04-23-2005, 03:27 PM
I say we trade all the way down to Philly for 31 and 35. Than take Matt Jones and David Baas.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 03:27 PM
Great, they're showing the sack stat...Time for Barron...This is BS...

Grid
04-23-2005, 03:28 PM
and here is 7 more

those were in the 2nd round.... duh


We are still in the first partner :).. and we have an awesome history of getting the best talents out of the first :)

PapaL
04-23-2005, 03:28 PM
Trade down....Please

ensign_lee
04-23-2005, 03:28 PM
What CC basicaly did was to plan for a strong draft next year instead of this year. That's reasonable if they didn't think that Dj would fit into their system and Meriman went right before us. Well, what's done is done. Let's see if we can't trade down adn get some more picks next year again.
Otherwise, Spears wouldn't make me sad.

TigerBait
04-23-2005, 03:28 PM
Travis Johnson? are you kidding....

ojthecat
04-23-2005, 03:28 PM
here is 4 more Gaffney Hollings Joppru and Wand. Denial is tough. It is easy to draft winners in the top 10. The rest of th edraft he has gotten schooled outside of DD.


Easy to draft winners in the top 10. Tell that to San Diego, Cinn. Clev. New Orleans, Phonix etc.

CC is doing a great job every year we have improved vs everyone in our division this year we will make the playoffs

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 03:28 PM
610am is saying Travis Johnson will be the pick.

Great...Another guy with character issues...Why don't we just become the Crackboys already...

DRIFTAWAY
04-23-2005, 03:28 PM
Just dont give me Travis Johnson or Cody.

AndreJ
04-23-2005, 03:29 PM
Im hoping we trade down now. Lot of good players we could pick up in the trenches now. What do yall think about the other LB Boomer Grigsby?

TexanBacker93
04-23-2005, 03:29 PM
true texans support other texans and we should of gotten DJ


Why fill the team with a bunch of players that have never won anything significant?

DRIFTAWAY
04-23-2005, 03:29 PM
Erasmus James anyone?

PapaL
04-23-2005, 03:29 PM
Another 2 commercials...ahh I'm really starting to dislike ESPN

jacquescas
04-23-2005, 03:29 PM
commercial break

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 03:30 PM
5:30 til all Hell breaks loose on this board, and guess what ANOTHER COMMERCIAL BREAK! eff ESPN...

the wonger need food
04-23-2005, 03:30 PM
Travis freakin' Johnson?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-23-2005, 03:30 PM
You gotta be kidding me. We traded down for a measley 3rd round pick just so we could take Travis Johnson?

TigerBait
04-23-2005, 03:30 PM
Spears would be the perfect pick now. He versitile, able to play DE or DT and we could probably roatate him in anywhere, and from watching (alot) he has the ability to drop back in coverage and has good hands (used to play TE) for a D-Lineman

disaacks3
04-23-2005, 03:30 PM
Travis freakin' Johnson?That pick'll make me wanna puke.

Rosusu
04-23-2005, 03:30 PM
I wouldnt mind clayton, but i have a feeling we are trading back again.

Texan-Bull04
04-23-2005, 03:30 PM
i hope they dont waste there pick on a lard as to block for carr they should tell the ones we got to do somthing or trade them "waste of a pick" :thumbdown :thumbdown

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 03:31 PM
Spears would be the perfect pick now. He versitile, able to play DE or DT and we could probably roatate him in anywhere, and from watching (alot) he has the ability to drop back in coverage and has good hands (used to play TE) for a D-Lineman

But he's no Travis Johnson :rolleyes:

the wonger need food
04-23-2005, 03:31 PM
Not sure why cass and capers would trade for picks next year when they won't be around to use them.

pskinny
04-23-2005, 03:31 PM
Travis Johnson out of FSU according to 610.

Errant Hothy
04-23-2005, 03:31 PM
I hope not, Spears, Clayton or another trade down is preferred at his point. But I want picks in next years draft, which shuold be much deeper then this years.

Dime
04-23-2005, 03:32 PM
It is sad that I can speak the words of the commercials now since I have seen them 20+ times each

ATX
04-23-2005, 03:32 PM
looks like travis johnson

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 03:32 PM
well my spending was getting out of hand anyways i dont need my season tickets anymore.

Elite, calm the **** down... You are sounding like a little girl. Were you that in love with DJ. I go to UT and watched him every home game this season. He is NOT as good as advertised.

the wonger need food
04-23-2005, 03:32 PM
Oh boy now you show up :rolleyes:

Been here the whole time bro. Just holding my tongue.

PapaL
04-23-2005, 03:32 PM
From Espn:

Travis Johnson
Johnson played in 11 games in 2001 and was a part-time starter from 2002-'03 before taking over as a fulltime starter in 2004. Johnson's draft stock improved greatly thanks to his breakout senior season in 2004, when he finished with 50 tackles, 18 TFL and 2.5 sacks. Johnson is a one-gap defensive tackle prospect with very good initial quickness, mobility and short-area power. He also has adequate-to-good size for that type of DT prospect. Durability and off-the-field issues slowed his development as a junior in 2003; he had a shoulder injury that required surgery and went through a sexual assault case that eventually he was acquitted from but naturally occupied his time and energy. Healthy and on the straight-and-narrow, Johnson was rededicated and played the best football of his career as a senior in 2004. His motor was running at an all-time high and he emerged as one of ...

disaacks3
04-23-2005, 03:32 PM
CC can TRY and spin this however he wants, but he was expecting DJ to still be there @16...they didn't fall the way he expected.

vtech9
04-23-2005, 03:33 PM
lol...I've been LMAO at all of the homers that are crying over DJ

Wolf
04-23-2005, 03:34 PM
CC can TRY and spin this however he wants, but he was expecting DJ to still be there @16...they didn't fall the way he expected.
I personally think he thought he'd have a choice at 16 with Davis being there also.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 03:34 PM
It is sad that I can speak the words of the commercials now since I have seen them 20+ times each

My project is an analysis on the importance of :blah: Gawd I hate that commercial...

ccdude730
04-23-2005, 03:34 PM
i dont like johnson but oh well

TigerBait
04-23-2005, 03:34 PM
Travis Johnson....havent seen him or heard enough about him...meh...

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 03:35 PM
Texans select the wrong Johnson...Yippy, I'm out of here...Toodles, guys...Have fun...

Rosusu
04-23-2005, 03:35 PM
We needed to get the line younger, we did that.

Westest
04-23-2005, 03:35 PM
un-****in-believable. Awful pick worst draft ever.

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 03:36 PM
Easy to draft winners in the top 10. Tell that to San Diego, Cinn. Clev. New Orleans, Phonix etc.

CC is doing a great job every year we have improved vs everyone in our division this year we will make the playoffs
CC just proved once again he stinks. Travis Johnson over Spears and Pollack. This one will go down in the annals of BUSTS!

ccdude730
04-23-2005, 03:36 PM
would anyone like to join me in my pool? cement boots are required....

TigerBait
04-23-2005, 03:36 PM
we still got the Rockets coming up guyz its ok...

utahmark
04-23-2005, 03:37 PM
guess peek will start

tiger06
04-23-2005, 03:38 PM
would anyone like to join me in my pool? cement boots are required....

LMAO!! I certainly didn't expect this pick, but I trust Casserly.

ensign_lee
04-23-2005, 03:38 PM
what in the flying ... what just happened?

Travis Johnson? Who in the hell is travis johnson?

Whatever; I have implicit faith in you, CC. Let's hope he pans out.

Jonathan
04-23-2005, 03:38 PM
CC can TRY and spin this however he wants, but he was expecting DJ to still be there @16...

Based on what? DJ is only getting this much run because he's a UT product.

ledzeppelin229
04-23-2005, 03:38 PM
Rough draft, but I questioned the Dunta pick last season so I'll wait for the guy to get on the field before I act like I know what I'm talking about.

Errant Hothy
04-23-2005, 03:38 PM
Are we getting away from teh character issue rule? First Buchanon, now T. Johnson, who pissed off several FO types at his Pro-Dayby having whats reported as "a cocky and surly attitude". (quote from 1310 am in Dallas)

disaacks3
04-23-2005, 03:38 PM
Off to get ready for LonghornBabe's wedding....gonna cry over this pick with friends from the Blue Lot... :confused:

DoCt3rJ
04-23-2005, 03:39 PM
I guess the lack of talk about Travis Johnson makes everyone forget how good he is? He can play middle or outside for us on the line, and I think hes better than Spears. Chill out people, what do we always say? Trust Capers and Casserly....

TexansJunkE
04-23-2005, 03:40 PM
what a joke!

ojthecat
04-23-2005, 03:40 PM
Johnson played at a big time school and had a great year. I like the pick. We need DL to pressure the QB and free our LB's. Look we get a 3rd in next years draft and get an excellant prospect. We are going to be OK. Hey just because DJ played at UT doesn't make him the right pick for us. CC is doing a great job. It is about making us better and making the playoffs. We will be better next year and we will make the playoffs. We also have a 3rd round pick next year..

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 03:41 PM
CC can TRY and spin this however he wants, but he was expecting DJ to still be there @16...they didn't fall the way he expected.

I don't think that at all. I don't the CC really wanted DJ. I think we wanted Ware or Merriman, and when they were gone we decided to beef up our line.

I don't think Pollack would fit in our system, so I can understand passing on him. So I think it was between Spears and Johnson for CC. I wasn't completely sold on either of them, so we shall see how it turns out.

Hopefull Johnson will be able to line up at any of the 3 spots on the DL. One thing people can't dispute is that we really needed work on the DL.

All these knee jerk reactions are kinda annoying though... :listening

ccdude730
04-23-2005, 03:41 PM
see you thundercats later. im calling it a day on the MB.....too much drama and heartbreak for my ticker.

vtech9
04-23-2005, 03:41 PM
you guys are a bunch of homers...don't you think that the coaches and scouts know a little more about what they need than any of us? If you homers think this is a reason to stop following the Texans or to stop buying your season tickets, then I for one, don't really want you as a fan anyway.

TigerBait
04-23-2005, 03:41 PM
anyone got some highlight vids of TJ?

DRIFTAWAY
04-23-2005, 03:41 PM
Sexual Assualt?! Shoulder Surgery?! We gave up DJ for a 3rd round pick next yr to take Johnson?? You gotta be kidding me.

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 03:41 PM
darnell dockett who went in two last yr is better than this guy. TJohnson is a horrible value here and there is no way to defend it.

TexansCanes
04-23-2005, 03:41 PM
CC just proved once again he stinks. Travis Johnson over Spears and Pollack. This one will go down in the annals of BUSTS!

have you ever seen him play? even if you have you probably havn't seen enough of him to form a educated opinion on how he will be in our defense. if anything he can provide more sacks than walker, which would be an upgrade. i don't know what to think about the pick. i was hoping for spears and was hoping that we didn't take a lb.

TexansCanes
04-23-2005, 03:42 PM
you guys are a bunch of homers...don't you think that the coaches and scouts know a little more about what they need than any of us? If you *****s think this is a reason to stop following the Texans or to stop buying your season tickets, then I for one, don't really want you as a fan anyway.

seriously, good post.

nunusguy
04-23-2005, 03:43 PM
CC can TRY and spin this however he wants, but he was expecting DJ to still be there @16...they didn't fall the way he expected.
Don't be silly, if they had given a flip about DJ they would have taken him
at 13. This Johnson is more of a 3-4 type lineman than Spears, atleast in
the Texans opinion.

Vinny
04-23-2005, 03:43 PM
Lets face it...we were one of the worst rushing defenses in the NFL last year, as well as the year before. We have gutted our inside linebackers and now added a DT. Looks like that was a priority this off-season.

Jonathan
04-23-2005, 03:43 PM
have you ever seen him play? even if you have you probably havn't seen enough of him to form a educated opinion on how he will be in our defense. if anything he can provide more sacks than walker, which would be an upgrade. i don't know what to think about the pick. i was hoping for spears and was hoping that we didn't take a lb.

Might as well sit back and let all the reactionary posts settle down. With a line of Walker and Payne, 2 older guys with past injuries, picking up Johnson makes sense. I like the pick.

TigerBait
04-23-2005, 03:43 PM
you guys are a bunch of homers...don't you think that the coaches and scouts know a little more about what they need than any of us? If you *****s think this is a reason to stop following the Texans or to stop buying your season tickets, then I for one, don't really want you as a fan anyway.
Ya well said. I am a huge LSU fan, and although i wanted Spears, i trust CC and was irate about it..

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 03:44 PM
Aaron Rogers is the Titanic here. I think the NFL is even feeling for the kid. They even got McNabs Mom trying to cheer up the family. GB is salivating.

TheRealJoker
04-23-2005, 03:44 PM
THIS IS HORRIBLE!!! No trade down? We get Travis freaking Johnson with Spears,Pollack,Clayton, etc. still on the board?

TommyS
04-23-2005, 03:44 PM
whats all the people crying "bad draft" already? i've been following this board for two months and all i hear is how much everyone trusts casserley. trust him now! johnson will be a solid d-lineman in the nfl. he's explosive, versatile, an dplayed with a great motor last year. there's no way cc drafts a player he's uncomfortable with, and his history with first round picks is outstanding.

i'm good with this pick.

DRIFTAWAY
04-23-2005, 03:44 PM
i'm willing to give Travis Johnson a chance, he might come in and really prove us wrong.

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 03:45 PM
TJohnson is not even the best DT on the board! TOTAL WASTE OF A FIRST ROUND PICK

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 03:45 PM
darnell dockett who went in two last yr is better than this guy. TJohnson is a horrible value here and there is no way to defend it.

So why is it only you saying it is a horrible value? Seemed like the guys on ESPN thought we needed some Dline help.

Oh, I forgot, you are an all knowing football expert, right? :rolleyes:

the wonger need food
04-23-2005, 03:45 PM
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/Profiles/travisjohnsonprofile.htm

There could also be medical concerns with Johnson, as he has had neck, shoulder and ankle problems during his career at Florida State. It should also be noted that Johnson was charged with and acquitted of sexual assault in 2003. Johnson may have round one talent, but for most of his college career he has played like a day two pick, which qualifies him as a likely boom or bust pick. Johnson currently carries a second round grade.

AndreJ
04-23-2005, 03:45 PM
seriously, good post.

ill second that, coaches know more than any of us on here. How many of us can honestly say that you've spent hours watching DJ and TRavis Johnson on tape and practicing. They obviously know something we dont and im just hoping he comes in and does a great job.

If he comes in and makes a huge impact i expect alot of you on here to admit you were wrong, if he flops however... just go ahead and continue you ranting and raving.

Give the guy a chance.

Texan in Japan
04-23-2005, 03:47 PM
I posted this in the Travis Johnson thread...some positive to offset all of the negative.

According to Frank Coyle:

Travis is the #1 DT in '05 Draft...he displays great quickness and great power that demanded special attention. He shows a rare combination of quickness, strength and athleticism with the ability to rush the passer from the inside and pursue very well on running plays. As a pass rusher he shows the explosiveness to gain fast penetration into backfield and the power to push the pocket as a bull rusher.

Well, CC and Dom had something in mind we didn't. Travis has potential and if you think NE and how they built their 3/4, young lineman have been key.

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 03:48 PM
http://img198.echo.cx/img198/2311/travisjohnson7lq.jpg

I think my DJ pick was better, but I'm still ok with Johnson.

Errant Hothy
04-23-2005, 03:48 PM
Sexual Assualt?! Shoulder Surgery?! We gave up DJ for a 3rd round pick next yr to take Johnson?? You gotta be kidding me.

He was accuited fo the charges, by a jury of his peers. So it's stupid to hold it against him. Shoulder surgery was befoer his best year at FSU, so I don't think it should be an issue.

As for the DJ think, I'll admit I was a little pissed we passed on him, but when the Saints also passed on him; and they had a bigger need at LB then we did I started to think that the rumors of DJ's problems were more subtansial then first though.

I am curious to hear Casserly explain why it was Johnson instead of Spears.

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 03:48 PM
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/Profiles/travisjohnsonprofile.htm

There could also be medical concerns with Johnson, as he has had neck, shoulder and ankle problems during his career at Florida State. It should also be noted that Johnson was charged with and acquitted of sexual assault in 2003. Johnson may have round one talent, but for most of his college career he has played like a day two pick, which qualifies him as a likely boom or bust pick. Johnson currently carries a second round grade.

Another reach by CC. Watch Pollack outplay him all yr. This guy should have went in two. Just Terrible. He has attititude issues medical issues and he is not even close to a consensus best DT on the board by anyones group of experts. This is the kind of stuff that gets you canned. I think you have to question this pick. I would have liked Clayton or Barron over this guy.

AndreJ
04-23-2005, 03:49 PM
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/Profiles/travisjohnsonprofile.htm

There could also be medical concerns with Johnson, as he has had neck, shoulder and ankle problems during his career at Florida State. It should also be noted that Johnson was charged with and ACQUITTED of sexual assault in 2003. Johnson may have round one talent, but for most of his college career he has played like a day two pick, which qualifies him as a likely boom or bust pick. Johnson currently carries a second round grade.

First of all he was acquitted of the crime, and second what in the hell does his criminal career have to do with his production in the NFL. I dont care if the guy did some serial killer **** back in his day. If he comes in and gets the job done then im happy.

threetoedpete
04-23-2005, 03:50 PM
Well at least it wasn't Barron. Could of been worse. Thought for sure they'd take a shot at DJ
or Thomas Davis. Rather had Castillio. Might work out.

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 03:50 PM
he is not even close to a consensus best DT on the board by anyone group of experts.

So, who is considered the consensus best DT? (And by not being the consensus top DT, i'm sure you mean he wasn't YOUR top DT)

F-minus67
04-23-2005, 03:50 PM
Look on the bright side, Atleast Peek is going to be starting at OLB.

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 03:52 PM
You see Tim... Even the website that you are using that excerpt from still had him listed as the best DT.

So just do us all a favor and save your knee jerk reactions.

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 03:53 PM
So, who is considered the consensus best DT? (And by not being the consensus top DT, i'm sure you mean he wasn't YOUR top DT)
castillo or Patterson not johnson. Mike Mayock on the NFL network says he thought TJohnson was very overrated because he is an athlete but just never was consistent making plays. He is a well known expert who had Castillo and Patterson over him.

blockhead83
04-23-2005, 03:53 PM
We wanted someone with a mean streak in our trenches didn't we? Take one look at this guy, he looks like a mean s.o.b. :sbad:

ojthecat
04-23-2005, 03:54 PM
You see Tim... Even the website that you are using that excerpt from still had him listed as the best DT.

So just do us all a favor and save your knee jerk reactions.

Yea but Charlie didnt pick his precious DJ :violin

arm03c
04-23-2005, 03:54 PM
Look, I go to Florida State and have watched Johnson play for a few years. The guy has an incredible motor and will eat a lot of space on our line. Walker and Payne didn't do anything last year for us, and Jerry Deloach isn't the answer either. Whether Dom and Casserly see Johnson as a tackle or end is beyond me, but either way, we're going to get a hell of a lot more pressure on quarterbacks now than we did last year. This is going to be an incredible pick, and if Johnson was Capers' man, they HAD to take him here, because Johnson would have been a Bengal if we traded down. So before you all sit there and think about Spears or Pollack, give Johnson a shot. The guy is gonna bring a lot of immediate energy to this defense, and Capers wants to unleash hell next year. Johnson one on one with a guard is going to be a mis-match that is advantage us this season.

TexansCanes
04-23-2005, 03:55 PM
Look on the bright side, Atleast Peek is going to be starting at OLB.

thats is why i wasn't i wanted to get a tweener type guy. i want to let peek have the chance to win the job, which he wouldn't be able to if we brought in a first rounder. i am curious as to who is the best dt in this draft fatboy? am comparing him to pollack isn't a fair comparison.

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 03:56 PM
I am an FSU alum too and i think this guy is going to flame out. Never liked him at FSU. Low character guy.

utahmark
04-23-2005, 03:57 PM
thats the second guy in a week that we picked up with questionable character. i like rooting for guys i respect. hope we dont keep going this direction.

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 03:57 PM
Mike Mayock on the NFL network says he thought TJohnson was very overrated because he is an athlete but just never was consistent making plays.

Hey, guess what? More than just one "expert" was saying that DJ was overrated because he is an athlete, but was never consistent making plays.

So you can ***** and moan about not getting DJ, who is probably every bit as inconsistent as you say T Johnson is. (and that is coming from a UT student).

TexansCanes
04-23-2005, 03:58 PM
not to take away from what patterson has done because i think he is a very good player, but he was on a stacked line so some pressure was taken off of him. johnson had his best year after dockett leaves and most of the o-line was focused on him.

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 04:00 PM
i would have picked Clayton or Barron not DJ and certainly not TJohnson.

dtran04
04-23-2005, 04:01 PM
In CC we trust. I would love to see how many people were going wild with the draft last year. Look how that turned out. It's not like DJ would even fit in a 3-4. No way the coaching staff puts him out there with Morlon and have newcomers lead the defense. That would be disastrous.

arm03c
04-23-2005, 04:01 PM
You can say character issues all you want, but Florida State and Miami are havens for guys with bad attitudes being studs in the NFL. Buchanon is the exact same way. We're taking a gamble on a guy that has all of the talent in the world, and if he wants to play, will turn out to be a steal at 16.

bigtex77
04-23-2005, 04:02 PM
It's freaking hilarious that some of you are going crazy over them picking Johnson, they do this for a living. I had no clue it was you guys who pulled the trigger on Dunta Robinson last year.

arm03c
04-23-2005, 04:03 PM
I was one of the ones last year screaming, "WHY DIDN'T WE TAKE WILFORK?!?!?" D-Rob turned out alright. Everyone is listing off 2nd and 3rd round busts that we've taken, but the first rounders have been damn good. We'll be fine next year. Payne will become more of a backup guy I believe, which will be a lot easier on him and his nagging injuries. Clearly needed depth on the line, Peek is gonna be fine at ROLB... this is fine for us. I'm excited about all of this.

TexansCanes
04-23-2005, 04:05 PM
It's freaking hilarious that some of you are going crazy over them picking Johnson, they do this for a living. I had no clue it was you guys who pulled the trigger on Dunta Robinson last year.

you should have been here when we picked babin, it was even worse

arm03c
04-23-2005, 04:06 PM
Round 3 we'll take a WR or an O-Lineman, and at this point, our defense looks pretty set for next season, with Peek outside and Wong inside. Should be fun to watch this team next year, especially if Casserly, Capers, and gang find themselves a WR in the 3rd round to give Andre some help.

bigtex77
04-23-2005, 04:06 PM
I can only imagine

bigtex77
04-23-2005, 04:07 PM
I don't know much about Johnson is he a tackle or end?

TexansCanes
04-23-2005, 04:07 PM
Everyone is listing off 2nd and 3rd round busts that we've taken, but the first rounders have been damn good

some of these bust aren't even really bust. bennie isn't a bust because he isn't good, it's because he hasn't been able to play.

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 04:08 PM
i would have picked Clayton or Barron not DJ and certainly not TJohnson.

First, we had more glarring needs than WR... Most notably OL and DL. We filled ONE of those needs. We couldn't fill them both with one pick.

Tim, you brought up Johnson's injuries... Well from ESPN:

"Barron redshirted in 2000 due to a torn ACL in his right knee. He saw limited time as a redshirt freshman in 2001 due to a hand injury.Barron obviously had some injuries that thwarted his growth early on and he is not the most polished offensive tackle prospect in the 2005 draft class. He also lacks a little bit of a mean streak and will need to become a more aggressive player in the NFL."

So Barron is just as injury prone... And he lacks that aggressive attitude that many olinemen need. So I guess we took a guy that was a bit more aggressive in Johnson, who according to Scouts Inc. "was rated the best defensive tackle in this year's draft class. "

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 04:09 PM
The Cowboys will probably pick up Marcus Spears.

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 04:10 PM
Any chance Chris Spencer lasts until the third round?

Probably not. Wilkerson and Brown should be there though.

arm03c
04-23-2005, 04:11 PM
Totally agree Canes. Look at Peek... finally gets a chance to shine this year. I believe round 3 a couple years back? Ragone sucked... Someone dropped the ball on that one... But the rest of the picks have turned out alright I think. I don't know why anyone is writing off our front office and coaching staff at this point. I could VERY easily see this team going 10-6 or so and winning a wild card... That would get the critics to shut up I suppose.

Johnson's a tackle by trade, but I think he'll end up playing a bit of both end and tackle because he's not quite big enough yet to make it as a full time tackle. But 15 pounds in the offseason could really help. Dallas just stole Marcus Spears at 20.

arm03c
04-23-2005, 04:13 PM
Alex Barron's gonna bust as a RT. He can't play RT worth anything and with Pace at the left side for awhile, Barron's not gonna make it. He's gonna get killed by these speed rushers in the NFL. Left side of the line he feels much more comfortable, but I don't think he's gonna make it on the right side.

I might be homing it a bit, but Craphonso Thorpe could be Houston's pick in round 3, just for a bit of early prognostication.

TexansCanes
04-23-2005, 04:13 PM
Spears to the Cowboys!

thats to bad, i wanted spears but that was a bit of a homer pick. atleast i will still get to see him play.

threetoedpete
04-23-2005, 04:13 PM
It's freaking hilarious that some of you are going crazy over them picking Johnson, they do this for a living. I had no clue it was you guys who pulled the trigger on Dunta Robinson last year.


Well all I'll say about that is they're putting a lot of chips into Peek's basket. So far he has been much too leaky a vessel to put that much faith in. Might work out. My guess is they thought they could move down and still get DJ or Davis. Sometimes you get the gator sometimes the gator gets you. My pick, I pick Castillo. Johnson's got bust written all over him. JMHO. Needed the 3rd for the left tackel next year. I'm ok with the move down. Will be interesting to see how they handle the rest of the draft. I wonder what Ced's number will be with the bears. Need a new Jersey.

bigtex77
04-23-2005, 04:15 PM
Thanks arm. Thats a great p/u for the Cowgirls, unfortunately. I'm not too upset that we didn't get Alex Barron, I honestly think Seth Wand will be ok. Most people are judging him on what guys like Freeney did to him- with very little help from a TE or FB I might add- It's not fair.

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 04:15 PM
I think we need to go OL now. But I also think we may go WR. What does everyone think?

What I would like is that somehow if we could trade up to the mid 2nd if Bass or Spencer falls there... If that could happen, then I wouldn't care what happens the rest of the draft because we would have helped fixed 2 glarring holes on our team, the OL and DL.

But, if we don't do that then I would take either the best available OL or WR, because we do need a future #2 WR (Even though I think we need OL help more).

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 04:18 PM
Johnson's got bust written all over him.

Can I just ask what makes you think that? A lot of people don't like the pick because it isn't a "glamour" pick, but games are won and lost in the trenches (which explains why we lost 9 games last year).

I'm not saying he will be awesome, but I'm pretty sure he will be better than our back ups and at least will provide us with depth.

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 04:18 PM
Wow the Jags picked up Matt Jones with the 21st pick. Hope he doesn't pan out for them.

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 04:18 PM
much as I hate the Cowgirls. They are doing it the right way BUILDUP your D-Line!!! Watching highlites of Spears I think Texans made a mistake not taking him. Looks like a great run stopper! 1 clip showed him side stepping a blocker to the out side and run down the RB not to many 300 pounders can do that!

ojthecat
04-23-2005, 04:19 PM
I think we need to go OL now. But I also think we may go WR. What does everyone think?

I say we use our 3rd round selection on Rodgers :)

Rosusu
04-23-2005, 04:19 PM
WOW matt jones to the kitties....

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 04:19 PM
Ok, I've calmed down enough to take an objectional view on the Johnson pick...Here's what we know about him:

-He has a past history of shoulder injuries
-He only had 1 good year in college (18 TFL, 2.5 sacks)
-He has had past run-ins with the law
-He claims to be a Raider fan
-He is big, strong, and quick

Right now, it looks like more negatives than positives, but he seems to be a hard worker and he says he can play all 3 positions of the line, so I'll hold off judgement on him until into next season...Hopefully Casserly's record stays strong...

PapaL
04-23-2005, 04:19 PM
Matt Jones? Reachhhhh?

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 04:21 PM
JAGS just made a bold move. I love the pick.

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 04:21 PM
Hate the Jags but man this pick is going to make them great or just dogs.

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 04:22 PM
Watching highlites of Spears I think Texans made a mistake not taking him.

I could make a highlight tape of myself and people would think I was awesome. You can't just look at highlight tape. All it does is show the "best" plays they have made. A crappy player could have a few awesome plays that would make for a good highlight tape. (Not saying Spears is bad though. I am happy with Johnson, and I woulda been with Spears, too).

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 04:22 PM
no one has a CB in the AFC south to match up with him and JSmith and RW. Tough match up.

bigtex77
04-23-2005, 04:22 PM
Someone had to take the risk, I just would't have done it this early.

threetoedpete
04-23-2005, 04:23 PM
Can I just ask what makes you think that? A lot of people don't like the pick because it isn't a "glamour" pick, but games are won and lost in the trenches (which explains why we lost 9 games last year).

I'm not saying he will be awesome, but I'm pretty sure he will be better than our back ups and at least will provide us with depth.

Injury issues, attitude issues = Sean Gillbert. Might work out. Hopefully the d-line will stay pretty healthy this year and they won't have to expose him to much next season.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 04:23 PM
no one has a CB in the AFC south to match up with him and JSmith and RW. Tough match up.

Glenn and D-Rob seemed to do pretty good against them last year...Wow, Jones runs fast and is tall, big deal...

Lucky
04-23-2005, 04:23 PM
WOW matt jones to the kitties....
Now that brings a smile to my face. He should be picking up the WR position right around the time he becomes a free agent. :rofl:

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 04:23 PM
JAGS just made a bold move. I love the pick

So is a bold move kinda like a reach? Like you insinuated about Johnson with us?

So it's ok for another team to take a reach if YOU like the player, but not us since you don't like who we picked? :rolleyes:

Rosusu
04-23-2005, 04:24 PM
no one has a CB in the AFC south to match up with him and JSmith and RW. Tough match up.

WE do! D Rob, Glenn, Pat B, Faggins, Sanders.......

ojthecat
04-23-2005, 04:24 PM
Ok, I've calmed down enough to take an objectional view on the Johnson pick...Here's what we know about him:

-He has a past history of shoulder injuries
-He only had 1 good year in college (18 TFL, 2.5 sacks)
-He has had past run-ins with the law
-He claims to be a Raider fan
-He is big, strong, and quick

Right now, it looks like more negatives than positives, but he seems to be a hard worker and he says he can play all 3 positions of the line, so I'll hold off judgement on him until into next season...Hopefully Casserly's record stays strong...

Had shoulder injury not injuries also had his best year after the sugery.
His sophmore and senior years were good that is 2 years.
He as aquited on all charges
He grew up in Calif. it is not negative that he was a raider fan
yes he is big strong and quick

I feel great CC has done his homework and we are better. We will be in the playoffs. What more do you want?

PapaL
04-23-2005, 04:24 PM
Hopefully he doesn't develop well. Didn't think he would go this early in the draft.

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 04:24 PM
Now that brings a smile to my face. He should be picking up the WR position right around the time he becomes a free agent. :rofl:

Let's hope so. Funny how Matt Jones has always been reported to be a laid back easy going sort of guy, and Del Rio is the total opposite. Wonder how well he's going to respond to him.

arm03c
04-23-2005, 04:25 PM
As last year's "phenom" Reggie Williams gets beat out for the spot opposite Jimmy Smith by a quarterback.... lol... I think it's a hilarious pick.

Trogdor014
04-23-2005, 04:26 PM
Injury issues, attitude issues = Sean Gillbert. Might work out. Hopefully the d-line will stay pretty healthy this year and they won't have to expose him to much next season.

Many players have injury issues when it comes to playing on the lines. I mean most of the linemen nowadays are wearing like 2 braces on each knee.

I do hope our line stays healthy next year so he has a chance to learn from Walker and Payne before being throw in to the fire. I would expect him to be on the field for about 40-50% of the plays by the end of the season though.

Rosusu
04-23-2005, 04:27 PM
I love Matt Jones, but that is a major stretch. He cant play TE, I dont think that will ever happen. It will take him awhile to develop, probably a year or two.

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 04:29 PM
So is a bold move kinda like a reach? Like you insinuated about Johnson with us?

So it's ok for another team to take a reach if YOU like the player, but not us since you don't like who we picked? :rolleyes:6 ft 6 guys who run a 4.37 dont come around if ever. TJohnson type can be found with regularity in rounds 3-7 ever yr. CC just found him in one. The tribe has spoken. CC is finished by 06.

bigtex77
04-23-2005, 04:29 PM
Is it just me, or are they showing the Cowgirl's War Room alot?

bigtex77
04-23-2005, 04:30 PM
Matt Jones is a serious reach.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 04:31 PM
Had shoulder injury not injuries also had his best year after the sugery.
His sophmore and senior years were good that is 2 years.
He as aquited on all charges
He grew up in Calif. it is not negative that he was a raider fan
yes he is big strong and quick

I feel great CC has done his homework and we are better. We will be in the playoffs. What more do you want?

My bad, I didn't mean to leave it plural...
He had 10.5 TFL his sophomore year, which is decent...
Touche...
LoL have you ever met a die hard Raider fan? I'd consider it a negative :rofl:...

I think the thing that speaks the best of him is that he had his best year after Dockett was gone...

arm03c
04-23-2005, 04:31 PM
Stop it FatBoy Tim... Travis Johnson is gonna play regularly for us. If Capers is smart, we rotate 5 linemen (Deloach, Walker, Payne, Smith, and Johnson) regularly to keep the line relatively fresh. Payne, Johnson, and even Smith in certain spots can play DT, while any of the 5 can play DE. Also in a pinch, Babin could play end. Depth on the defense is a big key. Ask the Patriots about depth on defense.

PapaL
04-23-2005, 04:33 PM
Man Rodgers is still sitting there waiting? How much longer would you stay?

ojthecat
04-23-2005, 04:33 PM
My bad, I didn't mean to leave it plural...
He had 10.5 TFL his sophomore year, which is decent...
Touche...
LoL have you ever met a die hard Raider fan? I'd consider it a negative :rofl:...

I think the thing that speaks the best of him is that he had his best year after Dockett was gone...


It will only be a negative if he is still a raider fan once the season starts :)

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 04:34 PM
Matt Jones is a serious reach.
he is and i agree with you. But you also have to admit he may turn out to be the next RMoss too. THe Jags are making the gamble to be great. It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.

DoCt3rJ
04-23-2005, 04:34 PM
Matt Jones can immediately make a impact in redzone.

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 04:34 PM
Raiders pick Fabian Washington.

DoCt3rJ
04-23-2005, 04:36 PM
Rodgers possibly now ?

bigtex77
04-23-2005, 04:36 PM
I agree, but at least with Moss you knew what you were getting, Jones is a big Question mark. I hope he flops.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 04:36 PM
It'll be funny if the Pack passes on Rodgers...

Htown34s
04-23-2005, 04:36 PM
Jackinhole just got Matt Jones! I was high on him and all of that "potential". Facing the Jags twice a year I sure hope now that that potential never comes! :whew

swtbound07
04-23-2005, 04:38 PM
It'll be funny if the Pack passes on Rodgers...

heheheh oakland just traded up to pass him...im loving it

arm03c
04-23-2005, 04:40 PM
Okay, what about this logic... Trade our 2nd next year and 3rd this year (or next year) to trade up to get Dan Cody??? Just a thought. Casserly and Capers have to be doing something aside from playing cards right now. Cody shouldn't still be on the board, and I wonder if Capers and gang are trying to figure out how to get up here to get him.

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 04:40 PM
I could make a highlight tape of myself and people would think I was awesome. You can't just look at highlight tape. All it does is show the "best" plays they have made. A crappy player could have a few awesome plays that would make for a good highlight tape. (Not saying Spears is bad though. I am happy with Johnson, and I woulda been with Spears, too).

thats true

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 04:47 PM
:rofl: I bet Rodgers was bored in the green room...

Rosusu
04-23-2005, 04:47 PM
Thank goodness they FINALLY picked him! I am glad he got cheered, that is nice of the fans. It is kind of tough playing behind Favre though....

ojthecat
04-23-2005, 04:48 PM
:rofl: I bet Rodgers was bored in the green room...


Not as bored as he is going to be in the Green Bay :woot

bigtex77
04-23-2005, 04:48 PM
Yeah but how much longer can Favre hold up?

DRIFTAWAY
04-23-2005, 04:49 PM
Okay, what about this logic... Trade our 2nd next year and 3rd this year (or next year) to trade up to get Dan Cody??? Just a thought. Casserly and Capers have to be doing something aside from playing cards right now. Cody shouldn't still be on the board, and I wonder if Capers and gang are trying to figure out how to get up here to get him.
I like your thinking and that could work out well. ALthough i doubt the texans will be trading up, they are probably just evaluating talent for that 3rd round pick.,

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 04:50 PM
i think this is a fabulous pick for GB. They got a Starting QB low in one. The bills and Ravens had to trad eup to ge theirs and i think rogers will be better than losman or boller eventually. Plus GB has a ton of weapons on O. Good pick

GLM
04-23-2005, 04:51 PM
I like your thinking and that could work out well. ALthough i doubt the texans will be trading up, they are probably just evaluating talent for that 3rd round pick.,

I doubt they're trying to trade up either. It doesn't look like anyones really left in the war room anymore.

PapaL
04-23-2005, 04:53 PM
So what do you think they're playing in the war room? Spades? Go-Fish? Long wait till the 3rd round....

arm03c
04-23-2005, 04:53 PM
Just kinda brainstorming, especially if Cody slips into round two. Perhaps send the 3rd we picked up from Oakland and the 3rd from Dallas to take Cody. I dunno, it's just a thought. At some point, if White and Cody are still on the board, someone's gonna trade up to grab them, or else someone like SF is gonna be really happy at the beginning of the 2nd round.

Rosusu
04-23-2005, 04:54 PM
I saw a mock last night that had Rodgers falling all the way to Green Bay at 24. Not saying that means anything but I think lots of people are down on him and his stock has really suffered lately.


Hah, I posted this 6 hours ago. It came true!

ojthecat
04-23-2005, 04:55 PM
So what do you think they're playing in the war room? Spades? Go-Fish? Long wait till the 3rd round....

I am pretty sure that the guy in the blue shirt is FATBOYTIM :hmmm:

arm03c
04-23-2005, 05:00 PM
Sorry, I meant the pick from the Saints, not the Raiders...

Yeah, definitely playing Texas Hold 'Em in the war room...

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:00 PM
'Skins take Campbell...

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 05:02 PM
i think this is a fabulous pick for GB. They got a Starting QB low in one. The bills and Ravens had to trad eup to ge theirs and i think rogers will be better than losman or boller eventually. Plus GB has a ton of weapons on O. Good pick


I don`t know about this 1. GB needs O-Line and Defense bad. It`s going to be long yr for Brett an him :confused: I think you are putting a young guy in a bad situation. Remember Carr`s 1st yr. All those sacks. Now he has problems staying in the pocket. He has happy feet (ready to run all the time)

arm03c
04-23-2005, 05:02 PM
Has anyone heard a statement from Capers or Casserly yet about the intent of Johnson (end, tackle, or both)?

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 05:03 PM
cody could wind up a colt or a titan if he slips to two.

USMC_dude
04-23-2005, 05:03 PM
Football God, Football God, please give us 1 good defensive prospect and 1 good OT when our turn comes!

arm03c
04-23-2005, 05:05 PM
Football God, Football God, please give us 1 good defensive prospect and 1 good OT when our turn comes!

And/or one good WR prospect.... Amen to that.

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 05:06 PM
Has anyone heard a statement from Capers or Casserly yet about the intent of Johnson (end, tackle, or both)?


in 3-4 he will be a end or nose be nice if he could play both

dalemurphy
04-23-2005, 05:08 PM
Football God, Football God, please give us 1 good defensive prospect and 1 good OT when our turn comes!


no problem... Wand, Weary,...

USMC_dude
04-23-2005, 05:08 PM
And/or one good WR prospect.... Amen to that.

Ok, I can see that. With AJ I'm not too worried about that. And what's this I heard about us needing RBs? Say what? Yes, I think:

a DE
an OT
Then WR

I'll let them decide who those will be!

arm03c
04-23-2005, 05:09 PM
Just don't know if Johnson can play end. I think so... but I'm not too sure. Might have to play the nose. That's why I was wondering if anyone actually heard anything on local radio or TV from Casserly or Capers. If someone hears something, please let me know... Can't get any coverage like that from here at Florida State.

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 05:10 PM
Ok, I can see that. With AJ I'm not too worried about that. And what's this I heard about us needing RBs? Say what? Yes, I think:

a DE
an OT
Then WR

I'll let them decide who those will be!

to be honest they still need another DL if a good 1 is still there in this draft

USMC_dude
04-23-2005, 05:10 PM
Just don't know if Johnson can play end. I think so... but I'm not too sure. Might have to play the nose. That's why I was wondering if anyone actually heard anything on local radio or TV from Casserly or Capers. If someone hears something, please let me know... Can't get any coverage like that from here at Florida State.

Same problem here in Beaufort, SC. Also, I never... NEVER see a houston game out here! I'm glued to my gamepass on NFL.com every Sunday! That just sucks

dalemurphy
04-23-2005, 05:10 PM
Scouts Inc. has Travis Johnson with a grade of 95, actually higher than Spears.

I really like what has happened to our defense this offseason. Look at the youth: Buchanan, Lewis Sanders, Greenwood, Johnson... all three levels of the defense has been infused with youth.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:12 PM
Scouts Inc. has Travis Johnson with a grade of 95, actually higher than Spears.

Scouts, Inc also said that Jason Babin would be a good 3rd round gamble for some team and said Isaac Hilton would be a star...

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 05:12 PM
Same problem here in Beaufort, SC. Also, I never... NEVER see a houston game out here! I'm glued to my gamepass on NFL.com every Sunday! That just sucks

if you get direct tv you can get nfl pass see all Texans games!

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:14 PM
Chris Spencer in the 1st? Not shocking, but I was hoping he slipped to the 3rd...

AndroidRaider24
04-23-2005, 05:14 PM
Here you go... http://images.ea.com/sports/games/2006/madden/draft/home/large/tjohnson_texans_large.jpg

Reddevil63
04-23-2005, 05:16 PM
Here's to hoping that Wilkerson is there in the 3rd :whistle:

dalemurphy
04-23-2005, 05:16 PM
Scouts, Inc also said that Jason Babin would be a good 3rd round gamble for some team and said Isaac Hilton would be a star...

I'm not saying that Scout inc. is the best talent evaluators out there. I just hadn't seen anything that had Johnson higher than Spears until I looked at Scouts inc.

TexansCanes
04-23-2005, 05:17 PM
nice to see sharper in the background :)

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 05:17 PM
Here you go... http://images.ea.com/sports/games/2006/madden/draft/home/large/tjohnson_texans_large.jpg

Notice how they have Sharper in the background.

arm03c
04-23-2005, 05:17 PM
Wilkerson would be really nice... but I wouldn't count on it. I still wonder how much farther Cody and White are gonna fall and if and when Capers is gonna consider trading up for one of them.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:19 PM
Notice how they have Sharper in the background.

I noticed that, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt since I think Greenwood is going to wear 55...

*edit* nevermind, he's number 56...

Wolf
04-23-2005, 05:20 PM
Here's to hoping that Wilkerson is there in the 3rd :whistle:
shhh be very quiet

arm03c
04-23-2005, 05:22 PM
Yeah, we don't want one of our divisional rivals checking our message board in the draft room... I'm sure that's what Casserly and Capers are doing... Reading the other teams' chat rooms.

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 05:24 PM
No you putting him in a good situation. He can learn from Favre and he is not going to a crappy team. Favre is not going to be there forever.

With Carr the reason he has happy feet is b/c the line still don't protect him. Hopefully the line will come together and you will see DC lose the happy feet. They used to say that about Warren Moon, but once he got the line protecting him he turned out ok.

I think 1st yr QB`s no matter where they are drafted should carry the clip board the whole season. Learn to read NFL Complex Defenses. Like in College Red Shirting. Be honest I don`t think GB is going to be good this yr. They have to many holes. Especially letting go Sharper. Plus 2 O-Line men.
I think Carr has problems reading Defenses. I think he should have been on the bench his 1st yr. I hope he can recover

DRIFTAWAY
04-23-2005, 05:24 PM
If White is still there lets say at NE's pick or beginning of 2nd i dont see how we could not consider trading up. Pull another Babin, White has potential, one of my favorites. Plus Poker has to get boring by the 2nd round...

arm03c
04-23-2005, 05:26 PM
What about Elton Brown if he's around in the middle of the first round? Supposed to be one of the best guards in the nation. Oh well, there goes Roddy White.

DRIFTAWAY
04-23-2005, 05:27 PM
Roddy White to Atlanta.. Genious Pick for Falcons. Lining up opposite of Price, can see it now. Vick to White.

DRIFTAWAY
04-23-2005, 05:28 PM
Ya if Elton Brown is there heading into the double digit picks in 2nd round, espicially the teens to late teens, we should consider trading up.

arm03c
04-23-2005, 05:30 PM
Or Darryl Blackstock? Personally, I wanted to see us end up with Blackstock by trading down. Or now trading up? How often do you see true 3-4 linebackers or ends (Chris Canty) coming available? So much talent still on the board, and I wonder if there's anything going on in the War Room about it.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:31 PM
Roddy White to Atlanta.. Genious Pick for Falcons. Lining up opposite of Price, can see it now. Vick to White.

...and what about Michael Jenkins, who they traded up for last year?

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 05:33 PM
http://img170.echo.cx/img170/2060/travisjohnson3je.jpg

I modified the Travis Johnson picture a bit.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:34 PM
http://img170.echo.cx/img170/2060/travisjohnson3je.jpg

I modified the Travis Johnson picture a bit.

Now that looks sweet! What's with the Texans always taking guys with tons of tattoos?

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 05:35 PM
is it me or does Roddy White look like Chamique Holdsclaw in that pic :)

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 05:38 PM
The Castillo pick is a bit surprising.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:38 PM
So Castillo doesn't slip that much...Interesting...He could be a very good lineman in a 3-4...

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 05:40 PM
Yeah, Peyton has sooo many problems reading defenses since he started from the outset! :wacko: BTW, Carr will be fine.

I do think it is best if the QB gets to sit at least 1 year...

Only when he plays against the PATS :) There are exceptions

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 05:40 PM
The Bolts already have Jamaal Williams, and Castillo would be an excellent addition.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:42 PM
Any guesses for Indy's pick? I go ahead and guess Shaun Cody...

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:43 PM
...and I was wrong...Marlin Jackson it is...

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 05:43 PM
Any guesses for Indy's pick? I go ahead and guess Shaun Cody...
Close. They went with Marlin Jackson.

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 05:44 PM
Heath Miller should be the Steelers pick.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:45 PM
Heath Miller is the logical pick, but there have been a few illogical picks so far...

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:48 PM
...and Miller it is...Hopefully for them he doesn't have Joppru-titis...

Grid
04-23-2005, 05:48 PM
I wanna know what the Eagles are doing. They have more picks than they need and havent done any trade ups.

I wonder if they are trying to get picks next year.

arm03c
04-23-2005, 05:51 PM
I'm not saying this is one of these situations where a guy just goes forgotten, slipping 2 rounds, but Dan Cody, Darryl Blackstock, Chris Canty, Elton Brown... all still floating around on the board. Interested to see how many would have been there for the Buchanon pick and whether or not we can maybe slip up into the 2nd round and steal one of these guys at some point...

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:51 PM
Eagles take Mike Patterson, to plenty of boos...

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 05:52 PM
I'm thinking New England might go OL with the 32nd pick.

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 05:52 PM
patterson is better than TJohnson. So is Castillo.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 05:52 PM
New England will probably take Justin Miller...

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 05:53 PM
I hope Texans are picking up on teams with 2 picks in 1st round getting D players. Eagles got a good pick 2!

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 05:54 PM
Miller would be a nice pick too. Not only would he be able to help their secondary, but he'd also be able to take Brown's return duties now that he's a free agent.

ojthecat
04-23-2005, 05:54 PM
patterson is better than TJohnson. So is Castillo.


How can you say that. Let it go we did not want DJ let it go!!!

TexasJedi
04-23-2005, 05:56 PM
patterson is better than TJohnson. So is Castillo.

Is there anyone in your eyes that is not better than Travis Johnson or is it just because he's now a Texan?

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 05:57 PM
I would be very concerned with what has happened with Joppru!

I believe Joppru's injury is more along the lines of what Nomar Garciapara of the Cubs recent suffered. Their groin muscle was torn away from the bone. BTW No way Nomar gets back in 2 to 3 months. He's likely out for the season.

arm03c
04-23-2005, 05:58 PM
Anyone heard anything from Capers or Casserly yet on Travis Johnson?

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 06:00 PM
Anyone heard anything from Capers or Casserly yet on Travis Johnson?

We probably won't hear anything until the 1st Day of the draft is over with. They're both in their war room right now most likely, and that kind of hinders ther ability to answer media questions.

ojthecat
04-23-2005, 06:00 PM
It wouldn't suprise me if we made a trade up sometime soon

FatBoyTim
04-23-2005, 06:00 PM
Is there anyone in your eyes that is not better than Travis Johnson or is it just because he's now a Texan? no i just think this wa sa truely wasted pick and a huge reach. I will eat my words but i hated the Babin trade and this one is worse. Babin did not do enough to justify it. And i think CC followed up that one with another bomb. But i'll let it go for now.

D-ReK
04-23-2005, 06:01 PM
Anyone heard anything from Capers or Casserly yet on Travis Johnson?

Cass was on the radio a little while after the Johnson pick and said the typical type of things ie: he's strong, quick, and will be a good fit here...

arm03c
04-23-2005, 06:01 PM
We probably won't hear anything until the 1st Day of the draft is over with. They're both in their war room right now most likely, and that kind of hinders ther ability to answer media questions.

Yeah, just didn't know whether Casserly or Capers made a statement through someone to local media. Sorry I'm annoying with this, but I'm very interested to see what the plans for our 1st pick are. Draft is always an exciting day as long as you make a good pick in the 1st round... And I'd say there's probably 24-25 teams that really made a solid 1st round pick.

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 06:02 PM
Babin didn't do enough? He's a rookie learning a brand new position. Did you expect him to be LT in his first year in the NFL?

Vinny
04-23-2005, 06:03 PM
Start going to the other thread guys. This one is as big as its going to get. I have a round 2 thread up.

arm03c
04-23-2005, 06:04 PM
Lol... ask and I shall receive... just got posted in the draft center. Logan Mankins instead of Elton Brown? Wtf?

texasguy346
04-23-2005, 06:04 PM
Yeah, just didn't know whether Casserly or Capers made a statement through someone to local media. Sorry I'm annoying with this, but I'm very interested to see what the plans for our 1st pick are. Draft is always an exciting day as long as you make a good pick in the 1st round... And I'd say there's probably 24-25 teams that really made a solid 1st round pick.

Yeah we're all a little anxious to hear the reasoning behind all the picks. We'll hear more in depth info once the draft is over.