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IDEXAN
08-13-2011, 07:43 AM
The injury is a tough break for Tate, who had a much tougher break a year ago, when on the second carry of his first preseason game he broke his leg and suffered ligament damage in his right ankle.
Tate technically is a second-year running back, but in most ways he's a rookie. He hasn't played in an NFL game. He hasn't proved to Texans coaches he is a quality NFL running back. And the former Auburn star hasn't shown he is a durable running back who can take the pounding that all ball carriers in the league take.
It is disappointing that Tate, 22, who had few injuries in high school and
college, hasn't been able to get his professional career going. His confidence isn't shaken, but he is aching.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/solomon/7695614.html#ixzz1UuZepLJO
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Both stars in college at highly-rated programs (Michigan & Auburn) & both taken in the 2nd round by the Texans and both having serious injury problems which is having devastating impacts on their careers, even in getting their careers started and yet both having little history of injury until entering the NFL.
Houston Chronicle writer Jerome Solomon has a pretty good piece here on the frustrations of being Ben Tate.

TEXANS84
08-13-2011, 07:51 AM
Not yet...reminds me of an Ahman Green situation...all hype for a star runningback only to be dissapointed by injuries.

Joppru level will not hit until the third season.

GuerillaBlack
08-13-2011, 07:56 AM
Why does that happen? Hardly any injuries before and all of a sudden they start piling up. Body breakdown? I think Tate will be ready to go this season. Hope he can stay healthy because I had high hopes when we drafted him.

CloakNNNdagger
08-13-2011, 07:58 AM
The injury is a tough break for Tate, who had a much tougher break a year ago, when on the second carry of his first preseason game he broke his leg and suffered ligament damage in his right ankle.
Tate technically is a second-year running back, but in most ways he's a rookie. He hasn't played in an NFL game. He hasn't proved to Texans coaches he is a quality NFL running back. And the former Auburn star hasn't shown he is a durable running back who can take the pounding that all ball carriers in the league take.
It is disappointing that Tate, 22, who had few injuries in high school and
college, hasn't been able to get his professional career going. His confidence isn't shaken, but he is aching.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/solomon/7695614.html#ixzz1UuZepLJO
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Both stars in college at highly-rated programs (Michigan & Auburn) & both taken in the 2nd round by the Texans and both having serious injury problems which is having devastating impacts on their careers, even in getting their careers started and yet both having little history of injury until entering the NFL.
Houston Chronicle writer Jerome Solomon has a pretty good piece here on the frustrations of being Ben Tate.

Joppru demonstrated major injuries WITHOUT EVER BEING HIT. He suffered a sports hernia in training camp in '03, reinjured it in minicamp in '04, then tore his right ACL during the first coaching session of the offseason in May 2005.

Tate has had one major injury (caused by a tackle from behind with a violent torque of his ankle), the type of which with proper repair and adequate rehab should allow him to return at about 1 year post injury within 90% of pre-injury performance. This short offseason may prolong the typical rehab and training for that return. But it is realistic to ultimately happen.
Hopefully, the Texans will be patient with his hamstring episode, and allow for adequate rest and rehab before letting him back out there.

Joppru's case was a different animal all togeth. He could never get back to even practice/contact status throughout his entire professional career.

MojoMan
08-13-2011, 08:06 AM
Tate has missed three days of practice this year, which is hardly the end of the world. Everyone should at least be willing to wait and see how he does through the rest of training camp before starting this kind of talk.

He was looking great before he tweaked his hamstring, which is hardly a major injury. Let's cut the guy a little slack.

Kaiser Toro
08-13-2011, 08:14 AM
Never crossed my mind, nor do I see any similarity.

FirstTexansFan
08-13-2011, 08:45 AM
Never crossed my mind, nor do I see any similarity.

You're missing the obvious resemblance KT... :)

http://www.godblessedtexas.com/images/mix.jpg

Same Uniform :specnatz:

Tailgate
08-13-2011, 08:51 AM
Wtf? Justice and Solomone have both been pimping this whole deal in the Chron and people are biting. Tates injury last year was a freak thing on the field of play and would have happened to anyone. This year he gets a tightened hammy (just like 15 other players have) and now he is the next Bennie or he is in danger of not making the team like the Chron suggests???

Talk about overreaction. Tate is a 2nd round pick and has a heap of talent. He will come back from this hammy, he will play this season, and he is not going anywhere. If he gets another major injury then maybe, just maybe its a sad coincidence.... and nothing more.

Kaiser Toro
08-13-2011, 08:59 AM
Wtf? Justice and Solomone have both been pimping this whole deal in the Chron and people are biting.

Makes sense now, Justice covers a past time with a crusty no.2 pencil and Solomon is a dazzling nerdanite

gtexan02
08-13-2011, 09:10 AM
Kubiak always seems so impatient when discussing injuries. I wonder if it makes guys rush back only to reinjure

CloakNNNdagger
08-13-2011, 09:26 AM
Kubiak always seems so impatient when discussing injuries. I wonder if it makes guys rush back only to reinjure

The impatience probably is generated from both sides, but it is up to coach to use some common sense if the player doesn't, and the training medical staff to apply their knowledge/experience and hold back both parties when appropriate. Bad things happen when the trainers and medical staff give in to the pressures of players and coaches.

IDEXAN
08-13-2011, 09:32 AM
Tates injury last year was a freak thing on the field of play and would have happened to anyone.
Hey man that's my point, it's deja Vu all over again.
But Kubiak is a real dope here IMO because he seems so exasperated with Tate, as if he's dogging it or something ?

Tailgate
08-13-2011, 09:55 AM
Hey man that's my point, it's deja Vu all over again.
But Kubiak is a real dope here IMO because he seems so exasperated with Tate, as if he's dogging it or something ?

I think you are looking way too much into something that isnt there. Example... JJO gets a hammy, Kubiak says he will be back in a day or so, no biggie. But in reality, the trainers already know he wont be back in just a day or so even if it is just a little tighten. What Kubiak says and what actually goes down are two different things. What Kubiak wants, and what Kubiak gets are two different things. Thats why people waste way too much time around here trying to read into things, or try to connect dots of a deeper meaning that simply may or may not even exist. Its a waste of time.

CloakNNNdagger
08-13-2011, 10:02 AM
STUPID:

Tate (5-11, 219) said he felt the hamstring tightening up in a practice but returned for the next workout because he wanted to seize the moment.


SMART:

Tate, who missed a third straight day of practice Friday, said he could be ready to go in a couple of days, but there is no point in playing any of the injured players in Monday's preseason game against the Jets.

SMARTER:

"It's frustrating, but I know what I can do," Tate said. "I have to be patient. But as soon as the doctors turn me loose, I'm going to get after it."


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[Justice] It isn't unlike how he sounded a year ago, when after his injury he was a tortured soul.



"Tortured" this year not unlike last?? Disappointed? I'm sure. But I doubt very seriously, again TORTURED by this recent occurrence.

If I were Justice, I'd be constantly tortured by how poor my interpretation of the facts are.

b0ng
08-13-2011, 10:04 AM
Why is Ben Tate's hammy this much of a thing little more than a full week into TC? Nothing else to talk about? To me this becomes an issue if he plays no preseason games and we have yet to play our first game.

SAMURAITEXAN
08-13-2011, 10:21 AM
Reminds me a little be of Jeremiah Johnson. Jeremiah was UDFA but, some of us were kind of high on him due to his toughness and one cut and go type RB. He had a shoulder issue and I believe we had to put him on IR and following year he was let go. Now with Denver, Jeremiah had TD on his first preseason game this year. Hope, we don't ended up letting him go like Jeremiah before we find out what kind of RB Tate is capable of. Come to think of it, DA also signed with Denver. Are they becoming Houston North? Instead of us becoming Denver South?

Go Texans!!!

Tailgate
08-13-2011, 10:27 AM
Reminds me a little be of Jeremiah Johnson. Jeremiah was UDFA but, some of us were kind of high on him due to his toughness and one cut and go type RB. He had a shoulder issue and I believe we had to put him on IR and following year he was let go. Now with Denver, Jeremiah had TD on his first preseason game this year. Hope, we don't ended up letting him go like Jeremiah before we find out what kind of RB Tate is capable of. Come to think of it, DA also signed with Denver. Are they becoming Houston North? Instead of us becoming Denver South?

Go Texans!!!

Still feeding the monster? And I dont know... it was always about Foster for me the second we signed both. We clearly made the right choice and no need to look back on it one iota.

ObsiWan
08-13-2011, 11:24 AM
Tate has missed three days of practice this year, which is hardly the end of the world. Everyone should at least be willing to wait and see how he does through the rest of training camp before starting this kind of talk.

He was looking great before he tweaked his hamstring, which is hardly a major injury. Let's cut the guy a little slack.

Think back to last year MojoMan. Tate hurt his hammy BEFORE he showed up to OTAs. He missed most of the OTAs and some of mini-camp. Now he can't practice AGAIN.

I'll wait because we must have used a 2nd round pick on the guy for some reason.

I don't remember if it's GP or TPN who keeps preaching "you can't have enough RBs because they don't stay healthy" Color me converted.

MojoMan
08-13-2011, 11:32 AM
Think back to last year MojoMan. Tate hurt his hammy BEFORE he showed up to OTAs. He missed most of the OTAs and some of mini-camp. Now he can't practice AGAIN.

I'll wait because we must have used a 2nd round pick on the guy for some reason.

I don't remember if it's GP or TPN who keeps preaching "you can't have enough RBs because they don't stay healthy" Color me converted.

I agree it is a problem. If he is out for a few more days, no big deal. If he is out for the rest of camp, then it will be time to sound the alarm. I am just suggesting we all refrain from freaking out after a guy misses three days of practice during training camp because he tweaked his hammy. A little perspective is in order here.

ObsiWan
08-13-2011, 11:38 AM
I agree it is a problem. If he is out for a few more days, no big deal. If he is out for the rest of camp, then it will be time to sound the alarm. I am just suggesting we all refrain from freaking out after a guy misses three days of practice during training camp because he tweaked his hammy. A little perspective is in order here.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm no where near ready to :panic:
But his history - as brief as it is - says we have something to keep an eye on.

Tailgate
08-13-2011, 11:57 AM
Of course we all want the man to be healthy and that be the end of it. And we for sure are all monitoring the situation.... But as you said, its too early to hit the panic button. But many people already have, including our local paper.

CloakNNNdagger
08-13-2011, 12:05 PM
Think back to last year MojoMan. Tate hurt his hammy BEFORE he showed up to OTAs. He missed most of the OTAs and some of mini-camp. Now he can't practice AGAIN.

I'll wait because we must have used a 2nd round pick on the guy for some reason.

I don't remember if it's GP or TPN who keeps preaching "you can't have enough RBs because they don't stay healthy" Color me converted.

What's interesting about last year's hamstring injury, is that it occurred at home one week prior to the beginning of OTA's in mid May. He had essentially self-treated and tried to "train" through it anticipating the OTA's, thus predictably aggravating his problem. (See STUPID above). He was finally allowed to return to play mid June.

ObsiWan
08-13-2011, 01:53 PM
What's interesting about last year's hamstring injury, is that it occurred at home one week prior to the beginning of OTA's in mid May. He had essentially self-treated and tried to "train" through it anticipating the OTA's, thus predictably aggravating his problem. (See STUPID above). He was finally allowed to return to play mid June.

I wonder who he had helping him train...
...and if he's still listening to them?
:thinking:

Lucky
08-13-2011, 02:07 PM
Hope, we don't ended up letting him go like Jeremiah
Johnson is a preseason legend who has yet to make it to the regular season. Jeremiah has never accomplished anything to make the Texans (or their fans) get teary eyed with lament.

Concerned about Tate? I'm concerned about the RB position, period. A couple of weeks ago, I was convinced the Texans had the strongest RB corps in the league. If the season started on Monday night, the RBs would consist of Derrick Ward, Chris Ogbonnaya, and Javarris Williams. Yikes!

JCTexan
08-13-2011, 02:16 PM
Johnson is a preseason legend who has yet to make it to the regular season. Jeremiah has never accomplished anything to make the Texans (or their fans) get teary eyed with lament.

Concerned about Tate? I'm concerned about the RB position, period. A couple of weeks ago, I was convinced the Texans had the strongest RB corps in the league. If the season started on Monday night, the RBs would consist of Derrick Ward, Chris Ogbonnaya, and Javarris Williams. Yikes!

Considering that the hamstring injury to both Foster & Tate aren't severe, I would imagine they both would be out there if it was the regular season. I'm not concerned at all about the RB position.

DocBar
08-13-2011, 02:38 PM
I can't wait til Tuesday gets here so we have something to type about....
I do look forward to seeing Tate actually play a full game, preseason or regular season.

kingh99
08-13-2011, 02:39 PM
Kubiak always seems so impatient when discussing injuries. I wonder if it makes guys rush back only to reinjure

That's because a lot of times his job is to buck up the player's psyche. He's the one there to remind them to GET OFF THE BEACH.

The Pencil Neck
08-13-2011, 04:31 PM
I don't remember if it's GP or TPN who keeps preaching "you can't have enough RBs because they don't stay healthy" Color me converted.

That would be me. For this offense to do what it needs to do, we have to have quality backs from top to bottom.

I'm not worried about Tate. I think he'll be fine. He's not Joppru.

SAMURAITEXAN
08-13-2011, 07:03 PM
Still feeding the monster? And I dont know... it was always about Foster for me the second we signed both. We clearly made the right choice and no need to look back on it one iota.

No. I am concern with all the injuries we got. I really like to see Tate in our regular season games and see how strong our running game would be by rotating Foster, Ward, Tate, and Slaton.

Go Texans!!!

SAMURAITEXAN
08-13-2011, 07:06 PM
Johnson is a preseason legend who has yet to make it to the regular season. Jeremiah has never accomplished anything to make the Texans (or their fans) get teary eyed with lament.

Concerned about Tate? I'm concerned about the RB position, period. A couple of weeks ago, I was convinced the Texans had the strongest RB corps in the league. If the season started on Monday night, the RBs would consist of Derrick Ward, Chris Ogbonnaya, and Javarris Williams. Yikes!

Exactly Lucky! Those three as our RBs, just scares me.

Go Texans!!!

edo783
08-13-2011, 07:39 PM
Exactly Lucky! Those three as our RBs, just scares me.

Go Texans!!!

And you should be scared............... if it were the regular season or even the preseason game before it, but at this point ........... it would be a premature, well you know.

SAMURAITEXAN
08-13-2011, 08:30 PM
And you should be scared............... if it were the regular season or even the preseason game before it, but at this point ........... it would be a premature, well you know.

Yeah I know. Hope, everything would be alright when regular season starts.
It is just, we got Wade to handle our D and some help we signed from FA and
I am really looking forward to this season and don't want anything to go wrong with us.

Go Texans!!!