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beerlover
04-22-2005, 01:19 PM
this thread is your chance to say yes or no should the Texans draft Marcus Spears (if available) with the 13th pick and why?

we need a stronger run defense and pass rush, with the addition of Phillip Buchanon our secondary is set, other teams will test it but will end up resorting to the run, with only the front three to stop six or seven this will force the linebackers up in run support as we will see alot of smashmouth 2, 3, 4 yard plays designed to attack the weakest link in the Texans defense. by drafting a young stud like Spears we have a playmaker on the line and depth in case of injury & zero holes to pillage & plunder.

http://i.cnn.net/si/2004/football/ncaa/specials/bowls/2003/01/04/sugar.bowl/p1_spears_ap.jpg

DRIFTAWAY
04-22-2005, 01:22 PM
No. I haven't been a big fan of Spears, as he seems to be a Jerry Deloach or Corey Sears type. We should find better D-linemen in next years draft or later rounds in this draft. We could take Pollack to care of our Linebacker problems and he too would create a good pass rush.

D-ReK
04-22-2005, 01:26 PM
It depends on who is left when 13 comes around...If Ware, Merriman, Williamson, Benson, and Cadillac are all gone, then I say sure, go ahead and take him...Normally 3-4 D-Linemen can be found in later rounds, but I feel he is a special talent, blessed with the strength and acceleration to push back two offensive linemen...

canadiantexan
04-22-2005, 01:29 PM
It depends on who is left when 13 comes around...If Ware, Merriman, Williamson, Benson, and Cadillac are all gone, then I say sure, go ahead and take him...Normally 3-4 D-Linemen can be found in later rounds, but I feel he is a special talent, blessed with the strength and acceleration to push back two offensive linemen...

I agree completely if those guy's are gone and we are staying put at #13 then he could be a very good pick for us and might even be able to step up and play "meaningful" minutes by mid-season.

texasguy346
04-22-2005, 01:30 PM
Most certainly Yes. I would love to see him as the Texans pick. He's a player with a rare combination of strength, quickness, and size that would be ideal for the Texans.

canadiantexan
04-22-2005, 01:33 PM
Less than 1 day to go and we can put all this speculation to rest.
Am I the only one who feels like the season is still a whole year away? ooohhh the agony.

Xman
04-22-2005, 01:39 PM
I would rather have Shaun Cody out of USC - better fit for our system at DE.
Plus, we could trade down a few spots and probably still get him (if not him then ahother slider like Pollack at #20 or so)

D-ReK
04-22-2005, 01:42 PM
I would rather have Shaun Cody out of USC - better fit for our system at DE.
Plus, we could trade down a few spots and probably still get him (if not him then ahother slider like Pollack at #20 or so)

Shaun Cody is a finesse guy...He'd get mauled in a 3-4, plus he isn't a run stuffer...He would be horrible in a 3-4...

beerlover
04-22-2005, 01:46 PM
1st, let me say I respect your opinion, I can accept no for anwear :)

2nd, your right about the Defensive Tackles available in next years class headed by Rodrique Wright a true DT, but how do we draft him? I mean would we not have to trade up to get him? the consensus is the Texans will be a .500% team in 05/06.

3rd, as of yet the Texans have not addressed protection for David Carr. next years crop of offensive lineman is even deeper than defensive tackles. Casserly & Cappers seem to feel one more year is probable for this current group but you know change will come, because of age if nothing else & with talent like this (Andrew Whitworth, Eric Winston, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Jon Scott, Marcus McNeill, & Jami Hightower) better OL prospect's will be available next year.

4th, Marcus Spears represents the best available talent at his position which addresses a need that could be available now for the Texans to draft & develop.

uhcougar08
04-22-2005, 01:49 PM
No. I haven't been a big fan of Spears, as he seems to be a Jerry Deloach or Corey Sears type. We should find better D-linemen in next years draft or later rounds in this draft. We could take Pollack to care of our Linebacker problems and he too would create a good pass rush.

How can the Texans go around saying "Well, lets not take this player (enter any players name) and just take a player who seems to be good this year, so we can draft a better player next year?"

Are you serious? "better D-lineman in next years draft" Who are these greater D-lineman. I am very glad your not drafting for us. I love the BPA approach by CC, because it has worked in Round 1 ever since this thing began 3 years ago. If Spears is high enough on the list, then he will be selected and I will be proud to welcome him in the Texans home.

TheOgre
04-22-2005, 01:51 PM
If we draft Spears, I hope we have moved down a few slots first. It would be nice to have a rotation along the line. D-line is the area where players wear down the fastest.

TigerBait
04-22-2005, 04:01 PM
im starting to think that Dallas will take Ware, and then San Diego will have to either pick Spears or Merriman. I think they go with Merriman and Spears could be a possibility for us. Would love another Tiger :woot

texansfan88
04-22-2005, 04:10 PM
im starting to think that Dallas will take Ware, and then San Diego will have to either pick Spears or Merriman. I think they go with Merriman and Spears could be a possibility for us. Would love another Tiger :woot
I wouldn't, at least not at 13

He is so out of shape its sickening

CaptainPatriot
04-22-2005, 04:58 PM
It would be a great pick. He will fit right in because he is coming from a 3-4 Defense. I predict that he will start at left end. (As long as The Texans pick a DL in the 1st round) You can never have enough DL`s. I think Texans should pick a DL in the 1st round next yr too.
You have to stop the run 1st. History has shown you can get a good RB ,WR in later rounds.

cadahnic
04-22-2005, 05:02 PM
I would not be mad with M. Spears, the kid has talent. I dont feel he is the best DL pass rusher in the draft, but he is definately the best 1st round DL fit for our team. By the way the best is Erasmus James. The kid has great hands and terrific moves. On the DL it is all about your moves and this kid has moves like the late great Reggie White. I just dont think he is worth the pick due to his injury concerns.

D-ReK
04-22-2005, 05:14 PM
It would be a great pick. He will fit right in because he is coming from a 3-4 Defense. I predict that he will start at left end. (As long as The Texans pick a DL in the 1st round) You can never have enough DL`s. I think Texans should pick a DL in the 1st round next yr too.
You have to stop the run 1st. History has shown you can get a good RB ,WR in later rounds.

LSU doesn't run a 3-4 and Spears won't start here if we draft him...

CaptainPatriot
04-22-2005, 05:15 PM
No. I haven't been a big fan of Spears, as he seems to be a Jerry Deloach or Corey Sears type. We should find better D-linemen in next years draft or later rounds in this draft. We could take Pollack to care of our Linebacker problems and he too would create a good pass rush.

I think he is more in the Richard Seymour and Jarvis Green of PATS Mold

jr0ck
04-22-2005, 05:26 PM
i would not be dissapointed with spears at #13, it will be harder to digest if merriman or ware is available, but in CC i trust. i think spears fits our DL size requirements perfectly (298 lbs, 6-4) and is more athletic than walker, payne, sears and deloach combined. not that athleticism is needed in the 3-4 we run, but it can only add another dynamic to our 'D' if we have an end who not only takes on two lineman but can disrupt the pocket at the same time. and having a young, first round talent to groom for whoever breaks down first (walker or even payne) is hard to spin in a negative manner.

the only worry i have is that his atheletic ability could be a double edged sword. a big body moving that fluidly, that fast for extended periods of time just seems like an injury waiting to happen. i know he doesn't have a history of injuries, just a little intuition...

CaptainPatriot
04-22-2005, 05:46 PM
I would not be mad with M. Spears, the kid has talent. I dont feel he is the best DL pass rusher in the draft, but he is definately the best 1st round DL fit for our team. By the way the best is Erasmus James. The kid has great hands and terrific moves. On the DL it is all about your moves and this kid has moves like the late great Reggie White. I just dont think he is worth the pick due to his injury concerns.


Erasmus James is too small for DE in 3-4 he would be a OLB in a 3-4

beerlover
04-22-2005, 05:59 PM
I think he is more in the Richard Seymour and Jarvis Green of PATS Mold

from viewing him play the past two seasons he showed the ability to play with the skills of a DE with his athletic ability, acceleration both power & speed rush, then part the ways of the red sea-stay at home occupy double teams snuffing the run & not getting out of position which after all is what 3-4 DT's should always aspire to do :cool:

beerlover
04-22-2005, 06:00 PM
i would not be dissapointed with spears at #13, it will be harder to digest if merriman or ware is available, but in CC i trust. i think spears fits our DL size requirements perfectly (298 lbs, 6-4) and is more athletic than walker, payne, sears and deloach combined. not that athleticism is needed in the 3-4 we run, but it can only add another dynamic to our 'D' if we have an end who not only takes on two lineman but can disrupt the pocket at the same time. and having a young, first round talent to groom for whoever breaks down first (walker or even payne) is hard to spin in a negative manner.

the only worry i have is that his atheletic ability could be a double edged sword. a big body moving that fluidly, that fast for extended periods of time just seems like an injury waiting to happen. i know he doesn't have a history of injuries, just a little intuition...

I would just like to say that this is a very good post :thumbup

keyfro
04-22-2005, 06:43 PM
i would welcome the selection of marcus spears at the 13th pick...the kid is a young stud on the defensive line and was made for the 3-4 defense...he's a little lighter than our DE's but he's also a lot faster...and quicker...personally i think some of our DE's need to lose a little weight...cough g-funk cough...anyways...by drafting spears we have insurence on g-funk's constant injuries and solid rotation guy to throw in there when we the starters need a breather...if drafted spears will start as a texan within 2 years garenteed...and i also believe that casserly is looking ahead and seeing the OT class of next year...he probably took one look and began to drool like me...haha...there is so many potential franchise LT's in that crop it's not even funny...as for UT's wright...there is no garentee that we could draft him next year...this is this years draft lets try to focus on the now and look towards next year after saturday

beerlover
04-22-2005, 07:12 PM
as for UT's wright...there is no garentee that we could draft him next year...this is this years draft lets try to focus on the now and look towards next year after saturday

exactly, but in any plan you have to consider a timeline to reach whatever goal you aspire to meet. one of the arts of drafting is knowing your talents, the talents you wish to aquire then a method for aquistion of those talents. Casserly (I know I should wait til tomorrow) is a football certified GM genius. even though several plans have fallen short of expectations (Boseli, Joppru, Hollings, just to name a few) he always seems to have a contingency plan and the preperation and planning to overcome duanting odds.

just throwing ideas out to you guys, I'm just an average Texans fan, I don't have the intelligence or ability to foresee what is going to happen or what should for that matter, but its still fun to talk about with you guys/gals texanpride

Janus3
04-22-2005, 07:52 PM
spears without a doubt is perfect for the 3-4 defense. teh question remains who else is available? if they really wanted him i think they might be able to trade down to get him. if seen him go as low as the 20's in some mock drafts. as with any draft, it's gonan come down to who's on the board.

beerlover
04-24-2005, 03:08 AM
right position wrong player :thumbdown even though Marcus was available Casserly had Travis Johnson rated the top interior lineman, I guess Spears was considered more of a outside lineman or DE. wtf at least I had the need pegged :)