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Corrosion
08-08-2011, 10:35 AM
All of the reports and or highlihgts Ive seen are lowlights for Jackson thus far in camp - Getting beaten by Rookie UDFA's and guy's who were on the practice squad last season ....

Those of you who have been at the practices - What have you seen?

IBleedTexans
08-08-2011, 10:46 AM
All of the reports and or highlihgts Ive seen are lowlights for Jackson thus far in camp - Getting beaten by Rookie UDFA's and guy's who were on the practice squad last season ....

Those of you who have been at the practices - What have you seen?

KJ sux . That is all .


I seen him on Sunday and like always, fell down covering od .

b0ng
08-08-2011, 10:53 AM
He is going to be one of those CBs that takes years to develop NFL skills, if he ever does at all. That footwork is straight up terrible.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-08-2011, 10:55 AM
Most NFL-ready corner from his draft class. :wadepalm:

IDEXAN
08-08-2011, 11:29 AM
So between Miami rookie Harris and vet Allen, which one starts for us 9/11 instead of KJ ? Got to be one of those 2 if not KJ, right ?

Porky
08-08-2011, 11:35 AM
I have to believe Allen. From what I have been reading, he is having a decent camp, and although he isn't great he's not going to constantly embarass you either like KJ. Harris will probably be in nickel or dime packages as a rookie and then they can see how he is progressing. If he is making major strides he can always take over later this year, but I don't think we want to throw another rookie CB to the wolves from day one.

badboy
08-08-2011, 12:08 PM
If Harris has a good pre-season, I would be ok with him opposite Joseph with Manning backing him up to see how he does. I want best player out there & it could be Harris over Allen by game one.

TheBigpaki
08-08-2011, 12:12 PM
I would much rather have Quinn at #2 CB and Nolan at safety. I like a lineup of Joseph/Quinn/Nolan/Manning.

Allstar
08-08-2011, 12:16 PM
We'll all find out soon enough

badboy
08-08-2011, 12:17 PM
I would much rather have Quinn at #2 CB and Nolan at safety. I like a lineup of Joseph/Quinn/Nolan/Manning.I think Nolan has to beat out Barber or a CB transfer to make roster. I think it will be Manning, Quin, Keo and ? The last spot could be a CB like KJ, McMannis, Allen,etc.

Rey
08-08-2011, 12:17 PM
I want to see Kareem in a game first, but I don't think he's the starter when the season begins.

I'm thinking Jason Allen with Brandon Harris in the slot.

I just dont see how you can put Kareem out there at this point, but maybe in a game situation the light will come on.

Rey
08-08-2011, 12:21 PM
I think Nolan has to beat out Barber or a CB transfer to make roster. I think it will be Manning, Quin, Keo and ? The last spot could be a CB like KJ, McMannis, Allen,etc.


I don't see them keeping a guy that has mostly been at corner for us over a guy who is a straight up safety.

And Kareem is not going to safety any time soon.

I do not see Nolan getting cut.

mussop
08-08-2011, 12:32 PM
I think Nolan has to beat out Barber or a CB transfer to make roster. I think it will be Manning, Quin, Keo and ? The last spot could be a CB like KJ, McMannis, Allen,etc.

I can't imagine him not beating out barber. I don't see how barber is still on the team. I will be stunned if barber makes the final roster.

GuerillaBlack
08-08-2011, 12:53 PM
I want to see Kareem in a game first, but I don't think he's the starter when the season begins.

I'm thinking Jason Allen with Brandon Harris in the slot.

I just dont see how you can put Kareem out there at this point, but maybe in a game situation the light will come on.

It's embarrassing how Kareem is getting burned by everybody out there. SHould have drafted McCourty or Wilson. I had faith in KJ, but so far, it looks like he hasn't gotten any better. He still falls down (but at least he gets up, lmao), he is slow (that won't change) and he has bad technique (can be worked on).

michaelm
08-08-2011, 01:02 PM
It's embarrassing how Kareem is getting burned by everybody out there. SHould have drafted McCourty or Wilson. I had faith in KJ, but so far, it looks like he hasn't gotten any better. He still falls down (but at least he gets up, lmao), he is slow (that won't change) and he has bad technique (can be worked on).

Great, now you got freakin Chumbawamba playing in my brain.

badboy
08-08-2011, 01:18 PM
I can't imagine him not beating out barber. I don't see how barber is still on the team. I will be stunned if barber makes the final roster.Me too but we will see. Wonder what happened to the scout that recommended KJ?

Porky
08-08-2011, 01:22 PM
Oh look, there is Kareem now.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJHfQPceOCDriOtD2Fd82SU0ibKg257 08GNGdeKITm4qxWF7OO

ThaShark316
08-08-2011, 01:40 PM
Great, now you got freakin Chumbawamba playing in my brain.

Thanks a lot....now it's in my head.

Playoffs
08-08-2011, 01:40 PM
Outside of encouraging remarks from his position coach, I haven't read anything from another source citing improvement by KJ.

silvrhand
08-08-2011, 01:43 PM
wait another slam kareem jackson thread.. imagine that..

Brisco_County
08-08-2011, 02:02 PM
It's obvious he won't be a starter. The question now is how long it will take to develop him, if possible.

b0ng
08-08-2011, 02:11 PM
It's obvious he won't be a starter. The question now is how long it will take to develop him, if possible.

Could be years before he's worthwhile. He may blow up in the middle of the season.

I think we'll all think much more of our secondary if our front 7 can apply pressure to the QB.

Corrosion
08-08-2011, 03:01 PM
wait another slam kareem jackson thread.. imagine that..

My intent wasnt to slam KJ but to get the opinion of those who have actually attended the practices .... Its difficult to guage anything based upon the few highlights or reports we've been given.


Where the hell you been hiding ?!


It's obvious he won't be a starter. The question now is how long it will take to develop him, if possible.

Im not so sure about that .... Is he still running with the first team defense ?!

I know its a bitter pill to swallow to admit that the team made a mistake on a #1 pick .... but if thats the case then they may as well get it over with and put the best guy on the field rather than give Jackson a longer leash ..... that costs them games. The margin of error in this league is just too small.

michaelm
08-08-2011, 03:05 PM
Thanks a lot....now it's in my head.

Dammit. It got me twice. I left the MB to do some work, then went to lunch. The song was out of my head until I read your response.

It's a viscous circle.

This is me returning the favor.

thunderkyss
08-08-2011, 08:02 PM
My intent wasnt to slam KJ but to get the opinion of those who have actually attended the practices .... Its difficult to guage anything based upon the few highlights or reports we've been given.



Has anyone who seen him responded to this thread?

Or just a bunch of negative nancies?

I have no doubt in my mind, Wade is going to put the best guy out there & I don't give a shit if it's KJ or Harris.

They may be trying to boost KJac's confidence the way tried to pump Studdard last season before giving the job to Wade Smith (who did earn it).

We'll see.

IBleedTexans
08-08-2011, 08:32 PM
Has anyone who seen him responded to this thread?



Yea I went to camo sunday and he looked horrible.

stingray
08-08-2011, 08:49 PM
It's embarrassing how Kareem is getting burned by everybody out there. SHould have drafted McCourty or Wilson. I had faith in KJ, but so far, it looks like he hasn't gotten any better. He still falls down (but at least he gets up, lmao), he is slow (that won't change) and he has bad technique (can be worked on).

Other than those things, he's doing ok... Lol!!!

DocBar
08-08-2011, 08:56 PM
KJ hasn't shown much progress, according to the practice reports. I will be absolutely shocked if our CB's on 9-11 aren't JoJo and JA. That just makes so much more sense than any other combo we can run out after 1 wk of TC. If KJ slips in the shower, hits his head and wakes up playin like Prime Time, then, by all means, play the man. But it needs to be that kind of change in order for KJ to get the nod.

spurstexanstros
08-08-2011, 09:12 PM
How many ints did Kareem have last year 4? I think even if it was one I still think it was more than the pay me rick guy...what was his name? I think it was "They dont throw at me cause Petey's on the other side" Robinson.

Give KJ25 some time I think he is gonna be solid.

badboy
08-08-2011, 09:46 PM
How many ints did Kareem have last year 4? I think even if it was one I still think it was more than the pay me rick guy...what was his name? I think it was "They dont throw at me cause Petey's on the other side" Robinson.

Give KJ25 some time I think he is gonna be solid.Two.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13254/kareem-jackson


If someone was at camp and could tell why Kj seems to fall down as noted above? Is he getting feet entangled or being juked out of his tennies or what?

The Pencil Neck
08-08-2011, 09:49 PM
How many ints did Kareem have last year 4?

Um. No.

Kareem Jackson had:
2 interceptions, 10 passes defensed, 1 forced fumble, 58 tackles, 13 assists

Dunta Robinson had:
1 interception, 7 passes defensed, 1 fumble recovered, 52 tackles, 2 assists

Jason Allen had (with the Dolphins and Texans combined):
6 interceptions, 12 passes defensed, 46 tackles, 13 assists

For completeness' sake...

Glover Quin had:
3 interceptions, 14 passes defensed, 1 forced fumble, 2 fumbles recovered, 71 tackles, 14 assists

Johnathon Joseph had:
3 interceptions, 8 passes defensed, 37 tackles, 5 assists, 1 touchdown

Corrosion
08-08-2011, 09:51 PM
Has anyone who seen him responded to this thread?

Or just a bunch of negative nancies?



Yea I went to camo sunday and he looked horrible.

Outside of FSM .... no one else claims to have gone , for the most part going off of the same information those of us who havent get .... which is why I wanted specifically those who had attended practice to respond .... to get a first hand perspective. (Not that I didnt expect others to chime in )

Rey
08-08-2011, 09:52 PM
wait another slam kareem jackson thread.. imagine that..

Maybe it's not bashing.

Maybe its just analysis.

Maybe he is actually doing a bad job?

DocBar
08-08-2011, 09:53 PM
Um. No.

Kareem Jackson had:
2 interceptions, 10 passes defensed, 1 forced fumble, 58 tackles, 13 assists

Dunta Robinson had:
1 interception, 7 passes defensed, 1 fumble recovered, 52 tackles, 2 assists

Jason Allen had (with the Dolphins and Texans combined):
6 interceptions, 12 passes defensed, 46 tackles, 13 assists

For completeness' sake...

Glover Quin had:
3 interceptions, 14 passes defensed, 1 forced fumble, 2 fumbles recovered, 71 tackles, 14 assists

Johnathon Joseph had:
3 interceptions, 8 passes defensed, 37 tackles, 5 assists, 1 touchdownInclude how many times each was thrown at...just sayin...

Rey
08-08-2011, 10:09 PM
Include how many times each was thrown at...just sayin...

For me it goes even beyond that.

Corners shouldn't be giving up a bunch of big plays.

Receivers are going to catch balls. As long as you are in the vicinity to make a play or make a tackle you can play. If you are constantly giving up big plays then all of your statistics go out the window IMO.

Corrosion
08-08-2011, 10:34 PM
Next Monday night cant come soon enough .... Im ready for some damn football.

Allstar
08-08-2011, 11:19 PM
I went on Saturday. It's hard to really gauge how well these DBs are doing when they can't go full contact and hit. I know I saw Manning want to knock the hell out of a couple guys coming down with catches, but they have to restrain. I only saw KJ really get beat once by Walter. He seemed to be doing alright to me. McMannis and Harris were the ones who were making plays though...

pbat488
08-08-2011, 11:23 PM
all I think about when I read this thread is kjax's face on the obama progress poster..

make it happen someone!

The Pencil Neck
08-08-2011, 11:24 PM
Include how many times each was thrown at...just sayin...

Those were the stats I had. I'd have to search around more for Targets. I'll check around and see if I can find them.

Corrosion
08-08-2011, 11:34 PM
I went on Saturday. It's hard to really gauge how well these DBs are doing when they can't go full contact and hit. I know I saw Manning want to knock the hell out of a couple guys coming down with catches, but they have to restrain. I only saw him really get beat once by Walter. He seemed to be doing alright to me. McMannis and Harris were the ones who were making plays though...

He as in Manning or Jackson ?


I have high hopes for Harris ...

Allstar
08-08-2011, 11:36 PM
He as in Manning or Jackson ?


I have high hopes for Harris ...

Jackson, sorry.

Lucky
08-09-2011, 01:05 AM
I've been as critical as anyone of Jackson's play last season. But, I can't see how anyone can ascertain Kareem's abilty this season off of a few practices. I hope Jackson does get the start against the Jets. And the Saints. Going against guys like Holmes, Burress, and Colston should tell us (and more importantly, the coaches) whether Kareem has improved over his rookie season. Right now, Jackson is a big ? and until he sees live bullets his progress can't be truly determined.

Allstar
08-09-2011, 01:14 AM
I've been as critical as anyone of Jackson's play last season. But, I can't see how anyone can ascertain Kareem's abilty this season off of a few practices. I hope Jackson does get the start against the Jets. And the Saints. Going against guys like Holmes, Burress, and Colston should tell us (and more importantly, the coaches) whether Kareem has improved over his rookie season. Right now, Jackson is a big ? and until he sees live bullets his progress can't be truly determined.

Agreed, if he's gonna get torched, at least let it happen when the games don't matter.

Rey
08-09-2011, 01:27 AM
I've been as critical as anyone of Jackson's play last season. But, I can't see how anyone can ascertain Kareem's abilty this season off of a few practices. I hope Jackson does get the start against the Jets. And the Saints. Going against guys like Holmes, Burress, and Colston should tell us (and more importantly, the coaches) whether Kareem has improved over his rookie season. Right now, Jackson is a big ? and until he sees live bullets his progress can't be truly determined.

I dont think it's just the practices but rather the practices coupled with last seasons performance. Some of the same things folks are seeing in practice are the same things that haunted him last year.

But I'm with you on seeing how he plays in a game before trying another option. I want to see how he has improved with better coaching.

Allstar
08-09-2011, 01:34 AM
I want to see how he has improved with better coaching.

And hopefully better help over the top.

thunderkyss
08-09-2011, 10:17 AM
Agreed, if he's gonna get torched, at least let it happen when the games don't matter.

Have you ever watched them work-out before the games? The CBs always get burnt, the RBs always break a long one...

It's practice.

Preseason games are still practice, but you're going against a different team, & you don't care about their feelings.

I agree with you & I agree with Lucky (especially)... we don't know what their goals are in practice enough to say, he's looking good, he's not looking so good.

Preseason will tell us a little more.

TimeKiller
08-09-2011, 10:44 AM
Yeah, I don't know if y'all have ever practiced anything before but it's not always brilliant. Kareem's got a long way to go in my mind, after last season and the debacle of an offseason it would be nice to hear he came into came shutting dudes down but that was never going to be the case. Still, I don't think his play or attitude merit another free ride to start over guys he is not clearly more talented than. I think he is in the position to earn whatever he gets, even if he earns himself dime duties or bench warming spots. Yeah, being a 1st round pick ought to have higher expectations and especially with this franchise the expectation to start AND make an impact. But that isn't the case, not yet, maybe never but definitely for the right now- KJ should be learning behind VETERANS like he didn't do last year.

silvrhand
08-09-2011, 12:44 PM
My intent wasnt to slam KJ but to get the opinion of those who have actually attended the practices .... Its difficult to guage anything based upon the few highlights or reports we've been given.


Where the hell you been hiding ?!



I wasn't trying to say you were the one slamming him, there have been numerous threads on this subject already. I've been busting my butt @work during the offseason, I work a pretty intensive job so offseason is just go away time for me and then football I get my 8 weekends a year to not be @work.

:)

silvrhand
08-09-2011, 10:52 PM
I've been as critical as anyone of Jackson's play last season. But, I can't see how anyone can ascertain Kareem's abilty this season off of a few practices. I hope Jackson does get the start against the Jets. And the Saints. Going against guys like Holmes, Burress, and Colston should tell us (and more importantly, the coaches) whether Kareem has improved over his rookie season. Right now, Jackson is a big ? and until he sees live bullets his progress can't be truly determined.

My point exactly we seem to be firing more bullets like he was the only problem in our defense last year. The fact is this is a team game, whether that means coaching, help over the top, more pressure from the front 7, or KJ stepping up his game. We live and die as a defensive team, and last year we didn't seem to do that at all.

Ultimately the players we have now are the players we have, the coaches have to eval the players, and then figure out how they can put their players in the "best" position they can to win. If the coaches can't figure out how to win with KJ, then he needs to wash out or move on. But for our own teams sake how about we stop drinking the hatorade and pull for him to get better instead?

b0ng
08-09-2011, 11:49 PM
It's only the very very beginning of training camp, so obviously you try to take all the positive reports with a tiny dose of skepticism, but! It just does not sound like Kareem Jackson has improved at all, either through offseason work on his own, or with the new coaching he is getting now.

I mean he is capable of putting together solid seasons of CB play in the NFL possibly, but as far as the point of the thread, right now there's not much out there in the media or in the eyes of fans who have seen his recent work, to think that he is improving at all.

I firmly believe we at least keep him on the roster for this year and see where he takes it, but in no way will you ever find me defending almost anything 2010 Kareem Jackson on the field of play it was really really bad. I know there's a thread by 76 that has a lot of great photos in it and great breakdown about what ALL went wrong with the secondary not just Jackson and I respect him for that. But as of the time I am writing this, I think it's fair to say that reports out of training camp and the occasional youtube video that has popped up, aren't showing us anything encouraging.

EllisUnit
08-10-2011, 12:02 AM
screw it i say start em all season let him blow about 5 games for us and then we can evaluate him in the off season :wadepalm:

Corrosion
08-10-2011, 12:49 AM
It's only the very very beginning of training camp, so obviously you try to take all the positive reports with a tiny dose of skepticism, but! It just does not sound like Kareem Jackson has improved at all, either through offseason work on his own, or with the new coaching he is getting now.

I mean he is capable of putting together solid seasons of CB play in the NFL possibly, but as far as the point of the thread, right now there's not much out there in the media or in the eyes of fans who have seen his recent work, to think that he is improving at all.

I firmly believe we at least keep him on the roster for this year and see where he takes it, but in no way will you ever find me defending almost anything 2010 Kareem Jackson on the field of play it was really really bad. I know there's a thread by 76 that has a lot of great photos in it and great breakdown about what ALL went wrong with the secondary not just Jackson and I respect him for that. But as of the time I am writing this, I think it's fair to say that reports out of training camp and the occasional youtube video that has popped up, aren't showing us anything encouraging.

That was the point of this thread - to get a different perspective than that of what my own eyes have seen .... on the nightly news , youtube or the radio announcer saying KJ got beat by UDFA so and so and Practice Squad Scrub. Thats enough discouragement ....

All of the above were negative .... I really wanted someone to chime in and say he had a good practice .... Two people who attended practices had differing opinions. Guess that will have to do .... until we get to see him against the Jets.


Maybe I shouldnt have asked .... for the bad news.

TexansFanatic
08-10-2011, 01:32 AM
Those were the stats I had. I'd have to search around more for Targets. I'll check around and see if I can find them.

Also not included in those numbers: how many TDs did they give up? That seems like a pretty significant stat for a DB.

Corrosion
08-10-2011, 01:39 AM
Also not included in those numbers: how many TDs did they give up? That seems like a pretty significant stat for a DB.

While its an important stat I dont put quite as much into it as some others because field position "Ususally" plays a part in that since so much of the game is spent between the 20's ..... First downs against , completion percentage against and average gain per attempt / completion are probably a better guage of a DB's performance.

The Pencil Neck
08-10-2011, 02:43 AM
Also not included in those numbers: how many TDs did they give up? That seems like a pretty significant stat for a DB.

Like I said, I posted the stats I had. The only thing I could have added was return yardage on the interceptions.

I didn't have targets and I didn't have TD's allowed. I don't know of any sources offhand that has that information. I looked on Football outsiders but I didn't see a category for individual DBs. They may have it in the pay area of the site.

I don't think the NFL provides those stats. I also get cynical about WR drop stats because I'm not sure of the source or who is making the judgment on what is a drop or how they're making it.

LikeMike
08-10-2011, 06:46 AM
Last year Kareem was in an impossible situation:

- bad coaching
- thrown in as #1 CB right away
- basically no safety help
- very little pass rush
- not as NFL ready as analysts and coaches made him out to be
- CBs usually don`t perform very well in their first season

So let`s cut him a clean slate. This is his year - this year he can proof, if he is NFL calibre CB or not. He should have plenty of safety help, our pass rush should be lethal, he should get way better coaching and he has a season under his belt. He has all the tools to be a decent CB and I hope he can develop into one.

IDEXAN
08-10-2011, 08:49 AM
Last year Kareem was in an impossible situation:

- bad coaching
- thrown in as #1 CB right away
- basically no safety help
- very little pass rush
- not as NFL ready as analysts and coaches made him out to be
- CBs usually don`t perform very well in their first season

So let`s cut him a clean slate. This is his year - this year he can proof, if he is NFL calibre CB or not. He should have plenty of safety help, our pass rush should be lethal, he should get way better coaching and he has a season under his belt. He has all the tools to be a decent CB and I hope he can develop into one.
Here's a question for you: by most accounts Kareem failed in that environment last year, but Quinn basically succeeded and developed in the same environment since last years defensive coachs were in place during his rookie year in 2009 ?

TimeKiller
08-10-2011, 09:08 AM
Here's a question for you: by most accounts Kareem failed in that environment last year, but Quinn basically succeeded and developed in the same environment since last years defensive coachs were in place during his rookie year in 2009 ?

That's....not really a question but it IS a valid point.

KJ was real bad. He needed better coaches? Done. He needed better safety help? Done. He needed veteran leadership? Done.

He got thrown in the fire?

So take him out. Let him sit, learn, earn his way into playing time, beat out a veteran like Jason Allen, like it's supposed to be done. They've fixed so much, why blow the cherry off the top? Sit him down. Let him breathe, catch up. It will only make him and the team better.

HJam72
08-10-2011, 09:19 AM
That's....not really a question but it IS a valid point.

KJ was real bad. He needed better coaches? Done. He needed better safety help? Done. He needed veteran leadership? Done.

He got thrown in the fire?

So take him out. Let him sit, learn, earn his way into playing time, beat out a veteran like Jason Allen, like it's supposed to be done. They've fixed so much, why blow the cherry off the top? Sit him down. Let him breathe, catch up. It will only make him and the team better.

Exactly, whoever earns it in the preseason should start. Right now, as far as playing time right now goes, I don't care how good he might be some day. I'm sure that somebody thought Jason Allen would be a star at one time or another and now he should start if he is the second best CB on this team right now. I don't care how bad he was in the past and I don't care how good KJ might be in the future. We need to deal with the present. Whether its Harris, Allen, KJ, or whoever, you start whoever is the best right now. Maybe the guys you cut aren't necessarily the worst right now, because you have to consider future and possible promise of guys like KJ; but, for starters, right now is right now.

I believe I read somewhere that JoJo had a lot of problems his first couple of years in the league, and look at him now. That's why you don't cut KJ, but you don't have to start a young, clueless corner who will cost you games just because you drafted him. He could be horrible right now and still not have been a mistake in the draft. Whoever drafted JoJo didn't make a mistake drafting him; they made a mistake letting him go....well, unless they got a lot for him...

GuerillaBlack
08-10-2011, 09:35 AM
Here's a question for you: by most accounts Kareem failed in that environment last year, but Quinn basically succeeded and developed in the same environment since last years defensive coachs were in place during his rookie year in 2009 ?

Quin is just better?

LikeMike
08-10-2011, 09:57 AM
Quin had a whole season to learn under Dunta - don`t underestimate the help of a proven veteran and the experience of a NFL season.

Im not saying give KJ the job - let`s see who`s the best #2 corner after camp. Im just saying, don`t give up on KJ just yet. Let`s see what he can do this year. If he again fails miserably we can call him a bust - but maybe he can turn the corner, now that he has a lot of things going for him.

Corrosion
08-10-2011, 10:14 AM
Quin had a whole season to learn under Dunta - don`t underestimate the help of a proven veteran and the experience of a NFL season.

Im not saying give KJ the job - let`s see who`s the best #2 corner after camp. Im just saying, don`t give up on KJ just yet. Let`s see what he can do this year. If he again fails miserably we can call him a bust - but maybe he can turn the corner, now that he has a lot of things going for him.

This team , the coaching staff , front office , ownership nor its fans .... none of the above can afford to wait around on the off chance that KJ figures it out.

The team is primed for a deep playoff run .... All the pieces look to be set minus CB2.

The coaching staff and front office are on the hot seat .... Its win or go home.

The ownership is on the verge of losing the fan base .... one more year like last year and , you think fans are unhappy now ..... ugh.

The fans in this city have suffered enough ... from the 70's against the Steelers ... Need I mention 35-3 ? And now 10 years of high hopes and expectations for the Texans .... none fulfilled. How much more can a fanbase take ..... ugh , 'Aints.

michaelm
08-10-2011, 10:19 AM
I saw a couple tweets yesterday noting that KJ looked decent, and made a few plays, one of them on Andre Johnson.
I'm sure there are others here who saw the same tweets, but it seems like nobody is in a hurry to post anything remotely positive about the kid.

I'm not saying the kid is a world beater or anything, but it really seems like the mob has their torches lit right now.

If I have time, I'll go back and find the tweets I'm referencing, because I know many of you will refuse to believe it unless proof is shown.

Corrosion
08-10-2011, 10:43 AM
I saw a couple tweets yesterday noting that KJ looked decent, and made a few plays, one of them on Andre Johnson.
I'm sure there are others here who saw the same tweets, but it seems like nobody is in a hurry to post anything remotely positive about the kid.

I'm not saying the kid is a world beater or anything, but it really seems like the mob has their torches lit right now.

If I have time, I'll go back and find the tweets I'm referencing, because I know many of you will refuse to believe it unless proof is shown.

I dont indulge in twitter .... any info would be appreciated.

thunderkyss
08-10-2011, 10:48 AM
Quin had a whole season to learn under Dunta - don`t underestimate the help of a proven veteran and the experience of a NFL season.

Im not saying give KJ the job - let`s see who`s the best #2 corner after camp. Im just saying, don`t give up on KJ just yet. Let`s see what he can do this year. If he again fails miserably we can call him a bust - but maybe he can turn the corner, now that he has a lot of things going for him.

If Quin looked better than Kareem in 2010, it wasn't by much. & I seriously doubt Quin learned anything but attitude from Dunta Robinson.

The big difference is that we've seen Quin play better.. in 2009, when we played an aggressive style of defense.

As a matter of fact, if you have the ability to go back & watch our games from 2010, you'll see even Jackson looked like a starting NFL CB for the short periods of time our coaches let them play aggressively...... all those times we were shutting teams down to allow our offense to get in the game.

They all looked good when we were taking the game to the offense... they all looked bad when they trying to make sure the absolute worse didn't happen.

b0ng
08-10-2011, 10:51 AM
I dont indulge in twitter .... any info would be appreciated.

He had a pass breakup on the dreamboat of the team Andre Johnson yesterday. Haven't heard much about him this morning, lot of people are saying Joseph is looking like the best cover corner we've ever had on the team. So if I were a newsie from the 50's I'd say no news is also good news. I know in the O v D drills the defense is making it very hard on the offense to complete a pass.

Personally, I don't mind the idea of Jackson starting with the caveat that he actually earned the job, and his draft pick number isn't the only thing fueling him being CB2 (Which means he has to legit beat out Jason Allen). If you think about it, he'll have a much more experienced CB with him on the other side, and at least one brand new safety who does not have coverage issues like our previous safeties have had.

But I want him to earn that job, I don't want it to be handed over like it's not an important role on the defense.

HOU-TEX
08-10-2011, 10:55 AM
If Quin looked better than Kareem in 2010, it wasn't by much. & I seriously doubt Quin learned anything but attitude from Dunta Robinson.

The big difference is that we've seen Quin play better.. in 2009, when we played an aggressive style of defense.

As a matter of fact, if you have the ability to go back & watch our games from 2010, you'll see even Jackson looked like a starting NFL CB for the short periods of time our coaches let them play aggressively...... all those times we were shutting teams down to allow our offense to get in the game.

They all looked good when we were taking the game to the offense... they all looked bad when they trying to make sure the absolute worse didn't happen.

lol.

Good ole TK

michaelm
08-10-2011, 10:55 AM
I dont indulge in twitter .... any info would be appreciated.

Do it! I was anti-Twitter for a long time, then I realized all of the Texans info I could get utilizing it, and now I am 100% sold on it for that use (and that use only).

If you follow the right people. it's like main-lining Texans info directly into your blood stream.

The Pencil Neck
08-10-2011, 10:57 AM
Do it! I was anti-Twitter for a long time, then I realized all of the Texans info I could get utilizing it, and now I am 100% sold on it for that use (and that use only).

If you follow the right people. it's like main-lining Texans info directly into your blood stream.

^^^^

I approve of this message.

HOU-TEX
08-10-2011, 10:58 AM
^^^^

I approve of this message.

Me too! I'm currently following 280+ and they're all NFL players or NFL media types

michaelm
08-10-2011, 10:59 AM
^^^^

I approve of this message.

I started a thread that lists all Texans related Twitter feeds. Might add links to various Twitter clients as well, if people think it would be useful.

Ole Miss Texan
08-10-2011, 11:04 AM
I started a thread that lists all Texans related Twitter feeds. Might add links to various Twitter clients as well, if people think it would be useful.
Can you bump that thread please?

EDIT - Nevermind, I had it opened in a another tab and just hadn't gotten to that thread yet. You started it literally 10 minutes ago! hahaha