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EllisUnit
08-05-2011, 01:30 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7684154.html



Found this to be interesting especially the first line.


There must have been two or three times over the years when the Texans toyed with the idea of cutting Jacoby Jones.

"When he was young, he frustrated me," Gary Kubiak said. "To see how gifted he was and to know that if I could get him to buy in to what it is to be a pro ..."

The coach points to a chair in his office.

"We all kind of battled him for a couple of years," he said. "We've had some rough talks in this office, he and I. I left him at home when we went to Jacksonville one year."

So why didn't you cut him?

"When you draft players, your job as a coach is to develop (them)," Kubiak said. "When you get somebody who has all that talent but you're battling other things that are keeping him from being as good as he can be, you've got to figure out how to go and fix it. If it's off the field, on the field, whatever. He has responded to the battle."

Some of us figured Kubiak would be happy to show Jones the door and go sign another wide receiver this offseason. Yes, Jones was coming off his best season, when he caught 51 balls and played particularly well while Andre Johnson was injured.

But he dropped some balls and didn't always seem to take the whole thing real seriously. How much could the Texans trust Jones?

"He's still got some inconsistent things about him that he's got to correct, but I think he's immensely talented and I think he can help us," Texans general manager Rick Smith said. "I think (last season) was a product of his personal maturation process."

Far from shopping for another wideout, Kubiak and Smith put re-signing Jones near the top of their to-do list. Kubiak said the Texans had invested so much in helping him become a productive NFL player that the last thing he wanted to do was watch him go someplace else and do great things.

"He's come a long damn way," Kubiak said.
Track wasn't his dream

Indeed, Jones has come a long damn way. He grew up in New Orleans' Ninth Ward, raised by his mom and great-grandmothers.

He was a not-so-strapping 5-7 and 160 pounds soaking wet when he graduated from high school and accepted a track scholarship to Southeastern University.

But track didn't float Jones' boat, so he transferred to Lane College and walked on to the football team. That's about the time something crazy happened. He began to grow. And grow.

He stood 6-2 by the time he left Lane, and when the Texans took him in the third round of the 2007 draft, he was on the verge of an improbable dream.

"When I was little, I would tell people, 'I'm going to the League,' " Jones said. "They were like, 'Yeah, whatever. What league?' "

The thing is, he still didn't really know the game. At least he didn't know the game the way a kid who'd played all his life would have known it.

Jones had gone out for football in high school, but he didn't play much until his senior season. Back then, he was a track guy wasting everybody's time on a football field. When he got to the Texans, he was a happy-go-lucky kid who and let's be kind about this - didn't take things as seriously as he should have.

"I was like a chicken with my head cut off at times," he said.
'Flashes of excellence'

Even when Kubiak would be frustrated, he kept looking at the size and speed, and he hoped there would be a time when Jones either figured things out or ended up looking for work in the real world.

Jones was lucky to have so many role models around him during his summers in Houston. There were Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter and, for a time, Keenan McCardell.

"I learned so much from those guys," Jones said. "I didn't really know the game, and there were times I didn't know the things I was supposed to do. They were great to me. Coach Kubiak treated me like one of his own, and I appreciate him for that. He helped me become a man on the field and off. He told me I had guys around me I could learn from, and I took it to heart. Toward the end of the season, the light went off in my head."

The Texans saw him as a special-teams guy who got a few snaps at wide receiver for a year or two. But the more playing time Jones got, the more he showed he could contribute at wide receiver, especially in three starts at the end of last season when he caught 17 balls for 235 yards.

"He had flashes of excellence," quarterback Matt Schaub said, "and that's what we expect of him. He has really matured a lot, and he needs to take that next step. We really expect him to. We think he'll take off. The more he's out there, the more comfortable he gets."

Jones smiles when asked about this. He has come so far since high school, yet he seems to be about the only person who hasn't been surprised.

"I've had a lot of guys help me," he said.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7684154.html#ixzz1UBEq7NWs

DX-TEX
08-05-2011, 01:41 PM
He was the one motivating Arian when he was benched in the Raiders game last year. If I remember correctly he told him to keep his head up, root on Ward and Slaton, dont take it personally and when he did get in there make a big play and all will be forgiven.

Arian busted that 79 yard TD in his first play in the game.

CloakNNNdagger
08-05-2011, 01:46 PM
Great story! My concern is that there have been many talented receivers that just couldn't ever make it because they couldn't figure out how to hang onto a ball consistently or find the right routes. He's on the team this year. So I'll route for him to prove the naysayers wrong. Meanwhile, I may have to intuitively wince every time I see the ball approaching his hands.:embarrass

EllisUnit
08-05-2011, 01:56 PM
Great story! My concern is that there have been many talented receivers that just couldn't ever make it because they couldn't figure out how to hang onto a ball consistently or find the right routes. He's on the team this year. So I'll route for him to prove the naysayers wrong. Meanwhile, I may have to intuitively wince every time I see the ball approaching his hands.:embarrass

he needs to work on his hands and route running and i think he will be a very good WR. I saw a lot from him last season i haven't ever seen from him up until the. i saw some hustle, some intensity, passion. He is def a play maker.

michaelm
08-05-2011, 02:00 PM
Wow, I had forgotten that Keenan McCardell had ever signed with the Texans.

houstonspartan
08-05-2011, 02:16 PM
Ah, yes, the obligatory "Jacoby is poised to take the next step" article. Happens EVERY season with this team: Jacoby is about to break out, here comes Jacoby, Jacoby had maturity issues in the past, but is ready to become a power player, blah, blah, blah.

What a coddled football player. We should have allowed him to "step" his ass onto another team. This kid needs humbling and a fresh start.

The Pencil Neck
08-05-2011, 02:20 PM
Wow, I had forgotten that Keenan McCardell had ever signed with the Texans.

I mentioned him in the list of guys I was excited about and thought would do better.

But in regard to the article... is this from this year, or last year, or the year before? Every year, JJ has "gotten" it but apparently, it's never stuck because he's had to get it again the next year.

I would have been totally fine letting him walk and keeping DA if we needed an experienced guy in our offense to mix with the UDFA's that we picked up. I would have been fine with:

AJ, KW, DA, DD, Toliver, Maehl, Jean.

That's a nice little receiver group right there. And if DA didn't cut it, fine.

Trail.Blazr
08-05-2011, 02:20 PM
Great story! My concern is that there have been many talented receivers that just couldn't ever make it because they couldn't figure out how to hang onto a ball consistently or find the right routes. He's on the team this year. So I'll route for him to prove the naysayers wrong. Meanwhile, I may have to intuitively wince every time I see the ball approaching his hands.:embarrass


I recall Sydney Rice having this same issue and one offseason, Sydney spent working on catching. Catching 100 balls while laying prone then catching another 100 balls behind him, while sitting, then... all kinds of crazy scenarios. The result was a BREAKOUT season for him.

I, like you and probably most Texans fans, hope he can overcome it. Certainly, Jacoby has to know better than anyone else that's his biggest vise. Seems reasonable to expect that improvement there is something he'd have invested in heavily if you believe any rumors of his "maturation"

I've been waiting him for 2 years to give me a reason to buy a #12 jersey. Securing the football has been the one and ONLY reason I'm still waiting.

Pantherstang84
08-05-2011, 02:36 PM
Wow, I had forgotten that Keenan McCardell had ever signed with the Texans.

Never made it out of camp. Played for the Skins that year and then hung his cleats up. He now coaches WRs for the Skins.

EllisUnit
08-05-2011, 02:58 PM
Nobody saw improvment last season ? I thought he stepped in for AJ well last season and made some big plays for us.

Blake
08-05-2011, 03:08 PM
This cat has DeSean Jackson talent, but Mike Williams desire.

michaelm
08-05-2011, 03:12 PM
This cat has DeSean Jackson talent, but Mike Williams desire.

I think he's a bit short of Jackson on talent, and has a bit more desire than Williams.
Yeah, he's a tweener...

mussop
08-05-2011, 03:29 PM
Ah, yes, the obligatory "Jacoby is poised to take the next step" article. Happens EVERY season with this team: Jacoby is about to break out, here comes Jacoby, Jacoby had maturity issues in the past, but is ready to become a power player, blah, blah, blah.

What a coddled football player. We should have allowed him to "step" his ass onto another team. This kid needs humbling and a fresh start.

My thoughts exactly!

badboy
08-05-2011, 04:00 PM
Ah, yes, the obligatory "Jacoby is poised to take the next step" article. Happens EVERY season with this team: Jacoby is about to break out, here comes Jacoby, Jacoby had maturity issues in the past, but is ready to become a power player, blah, blah, blah.

What a coddled football player. We should have allowed him to "step" his ass onto another team. This kid needs humbling and a fresh start.Is 51 receptions a goodly amount for a #3 WR in this offense?

rush2112mn
08-05-2011, 04:35 PM
I think all of Jacoby's immature days are behind him.... Some of us take longer to mature than others....just part of being human.

A lot of peple did not want him to come back. I, for one, am glad he is. I think he can make plays...he has in the past. He just needs to be on the field more and be more consistent.

I hope he has a big year this year too.....

mariowillshine15
08-05-2011, 04:43 PM
This cat has DeSean Jackson talent, but Mike Williams desire.

Mike Williams came back and had a pretty darn good year with the Seahawks.

If he can figure it out Jacoby can.

Double Barrel
08-05-2011, 04:48 PM
Ah, yes, the obligatory "Jacoby is poised to take the next step" article. Happens EVERY season with this team: Jacoby is about to break out, here comes Jacoby, Jacoby had maturity issues in the past, but is ready to become a power player, blah, blah, blah.

What a coddled football player. We should have allowed him to "step" his ass onto another team. This kid needs humbling and a fresh start.

This.

I find it hard to be patient with someone that has taken over three years to pull their head out of their ass to be a professional.

If anything, it should be more of IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME! :cutthroat:

Wolf6151
08-05-2011, 04:51 PM
Instead of coddling him and bringing him along slowly and waiting for him to mature on his own why not put a foot in his ass. I read that article and it tells me that Kubiak is very soft on his players. Nothing makes you grow up faster than a swift kick in the ass and facing the possibility of your next job application being at McDonalds. Don't wait for him to mature on his own. Where's the motivation for him to mature if he still has an NFL job. His mom should have a "come to Jesus" meeting with him so that he'll grow up and she wouldn't have to buy a ticket to the game.

jaayteetx
08-05-2011, 05:10 PM
Ask yourself, what would Bill Parcells do?

badboy
08-05-2011, 05:14 PM
Instead of coddling him and bringing him along slowly and waiting for him to mature on his own why not put a foot in his ass. I read that article and it tells me that Kubiak is very soft on his players. Nothing makes you grow up faster than a swift kick in the ass and facing the possibility of your next job application being at McDonalds. Don't wait for him to mature on his own. Where's the motivation for him to mature if he still has an NFL job. His mom should have a "come to Jesus" meeting with him so that he'll grow up and she wouldn't have to buy a ticket to the game.Both the player & coach indicate Kubiak has not coddled JJ.

sandman
08-05-2011, 05:18 PM
Ah, yes, the obligatory "Jacoby is poised to take the next step" article. Happens EVERY season with this team: Jacoby is about to break out, here comes Jacoby, Jacoby had maturity issues in the past, but is ready to become a power player, blah, blah, blah.

What a coddled football player. We should have allowed him to "step" his ass onto another team. This kid needs humbling and a fresh start.

3rd Rounder four years ago. 73rd player chosen. 10th overall WR chosen. From Lane College that no one had ever heard of.

This pick had nothing but "Potential" written all over it. If your upset because you thing 3rd Rd/#73 was to high to get him, I can understand that.

But the comments about tired of waiting for him to break out, being coddled and needs humbling don't really have credibility. He wasn't drafted as a big time college WR that was expected to come in and be a Pro-Bowler. That would have been Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Sidney Rice and Steve Smith.

He was from Lane freaking College. He was a project with a lot of potential, that it has taken a few years to start to realize. Your rage towards JJ suggests you set your expectations too high for him.

Maybe it should be directed towards Smithiak, who probably could have got him lower in the draft and used that 73rd pick a bit more wisely.

Mr. White
08-05-2011, 06:30 PM
Ah, yes, the obligatory "Jacoby is poised to take the next step" article. Happens EVERY season with this team: Jacoby is about to break out, here comes Jacoby, Jacoby had maturity issues in the past, but is ready to become a power player, blah, blah, blah.

What a coddled football player. We should have allowed him to "step" his ass onto another team. This kid needs humbling and a fresh start.

No kidding.

I'm starting to wonder if the Chron just runs the same Jacoby article every pre-season.

DexmanC
08-05-2011, 06:59 PM
Ah, yes, the obligatory "Jacoby is poised to take the next step" article. Happens EVERY season with this team: Jacoby is about to break out, here comes Jacoby, Jacoby had maturity issues in the past, but is ready to become a power player, blah, blah, blah.

What a coddled football player. We should have allowed him to "step" his ass onto another team. This kid needs humbling and a fresh start.

Sounds like the quintessential Texan to me. He'll take off when his team
does.

Wolf6151
08-05-2011, 09:42 PM
Both the player & coach indicate Kubiak has not coddled JJ.

Of course they do, would you expect Kubiak and JJ to say that he's soft on players?

EllisUnit
08-05-2011, 10:36 PM
:kubepalm: <- this says it all a screaming kubiak "smiley" would be something you will never see.

Nawzer
08-05-2011, 10:37 PM
It's all about the hands Jacoby.

Rey
08-05-2011, 10:50 PM
Of course they do, would you expect Kubiak and JJ to say that he's soft on players?

From everything I've heard, behind the scenes kubiak is not afraid to call players out and let then know they f'd up.

MEGA SWATT
08-06-2011, 01:36 AM
good read. hope he becomes something special.

SteveSlaton20
08-06-2011, 01:52 AM
how much did we re-sign him for?

DexmanC
08-06-2011, 01:36 PM
http://i37.tinypic.com/2vju7t2.jpg

Brisco_County
08-06-2011, 06:32 PM
It's really hard to consider letting this guy go when you think of the times he has played to his potential. Here's a refresher: Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUq0-UUxKm8)

thunderkyss
08-07-2011, 12:33 AM
This.

I find it hard to be patient with someone that has taken over three years to pull their head out of their ass to be a professional.

If anything, it should be more of IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME! :cutthroat:

Lane college.....

We knew he was going to take some time to develop when we drafted him.

Two years... maybe three, unless you're Randy Moss & a freak of nature, sounds about right for a receiver coming from a major program.

I feel if he started 16 games, he'd have 100 catches & 1000 yards..... even if he drops a few.

GP
08-07-2011, 12:38 AM
I've never had a problem with the guy.

He provides more reward than he does risk. He's the kid who gets in trouble, flashes the million dollar smile, and you forgive him as easily as you got mad at him just a second or two ago.

thunderkyss
08-07-2011, 01:00 AM
:kubepalm: <- this says it all a screaming kubiak "smiley" would be something you will never see.

why not?

http://houston.culturemap.com/site_media/uploads/photos/2010-08-22/gary_kubiak.263w_350h.jpg

http://thefastertimes.com/nflpredictions/files/2010/01/kubiak.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1211/nfl_a_kubiak_sy_576.jpg

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c1910342/media_center/images/rendered/blog/wysiwyg/kubiak1.jpg

Lucky
08-07-2011, 05:24 AM
And Kubiak had good reason to be upset:


http://houston.culturemap.com/site_media/uploads/photos/2010-08-22/gary_kubiak.263w_350h.jpg

You left the sausage links off my GRAND SLAM!!!

Lucky
08-07-2011, 05:31 AM
how much did we re-sign him for?
3 years, $10.5 million. Just less than what Leach got from the Ravens. Essentially, the Texans picked Jacoby over Vonta.

EllisUnit
08-07-2011, 08:35 AM
yeah but that is him screaming at the Refs. You will rarely ever see him yell at his players. I do remember one instance when he was yelling at Schaub for some bone headed throw.

ubecool454
08-07-2011, 08:48 AM
I'm pulling for JJ to break out this season and score a lot of TDs. He is the best end zone dancer on the team..lol

dskillz
08-07-2011, 08:55 AM
yeah but that is him screaming at the Refs. You will rarely ever see him yell at his players. I do remember one instance when he was yelling at Schaub for some bone headed throw.

Kubes gets on his players alot more than we know. I remember Sage complaining about it, especially the use of cuss words. I think the "press conference Kubiak" is definitely not all there is to him.

As far as JJ, if he can limit his time in the clubs, he will become that star the chron predicts every year.

gary
08-07-2011, 09:03 AM
3 years, $10.5 million. Just less than what Leach got from the Ravens. Essentially, the Texans picked Jacoby over Vonta.Should have re-signed Leach with that money and then kept David Anderson for less money.:wadepalm:

Trail.Blazr
08-07-2011, 09:09 AM
Lane college.....

We knew he was going to take some time to develop when we drafted him.

Two years... maybe three, unless you're Randy Moss & a freak of nature, sounds about right for a receiver coming from a major program.

I feel if he started 16 games, he'd have 100 catches & 100 yards..... even if he drops a few.

100% agreement.

To think otherwise, although anyone is entitled to, is plain ignorant. Unlike Amobi(as a comparative of developing based on drafted potential), Jacoby has shown PLENTY in terms to showing his potential in terms of plays made on the field. No reason to believe his development doesn't warrant his continued place on the team, unless you have the patience of a 3 year old.

And I'll wager Jacoby has MORE game in his pinky than any pathetic nay-sayer on these boards, so with a grain of salt, I take little value from opinions that the Texans shouldn't continue to allow Jacoby to mature into greatness.

ubecool454
08-07-2011, 09:35 AM
Kubes gets on his players alot more than we know. I remember Sage complaining about it, especially the use of cuss words. I think the "press conference Kubiak" is definitely not all there is to him.

As far as JJ, if he can limit his time in the clubs, he will become that star the chron predicts every year.

Come on now...if he doesn't hit the clubs his end zone dances will be boring.

ubecool454
08-07-2011, 09:37 AM
Should have re-signed Leach with that money and then kept David Anderson for less money.:wadepalm:

Neither Leach or David Anderson can dance.

ChampionTexan
08-07-2011, 09:48 AM
Neither Leach or David Anderson can dance.

Seriously?

David Anderson string dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35og1Ha1q8Q)
(and for the record, you didn't stipulate dance well)

EllisUnit
08-07-2011, 10:19 AM
Seriously?

David Anderson string dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35og1Ha1q8Q)
(and for the record, you didn't stipulate dance well)

it was funny, but not very good IMO. I liked old D.A he was just undersized and not very fast

gary
08-07-2011, 10:35 AM
it was funny, but not very good IMO. I liked old D.A he was just undersized and not very fastBut he has better hands than Jacoby has.

thunderkyss
08-07-2011, 10:35 AM
yeah but that is him screaming at the Refs. You will rarely ever see him yell at his players. I do remember one instance when he was yelling at Schaub for some bone headed throw.

Oh.... now we're getting picky.

Kubes gets on his players alot more than we know. I remember Sage complaining about it, especially the use of cuss words. I think the "press conference Kubiak" is definitely not all there is to him.


We've got several supervisor's where I work. Some are like the guy a lot of people want Kubiak to be. Flying off the handle at a moments notice, hooping, hollering, making a fool of himself. Some are like I think Kubiak is. Calm, Cool, Collected in public, but will dress you up & down in the appropriate setting.

My coworkers wouldn't piss on that first guy to save his life. They feel we are all grown-ups, adults & should be treated that way. We aren't his kids, even if we work him, we expect respect.

Some guys are most productive working for that fire & brimstone guy... Most guys will only pretend to do their best when the boss is watching.

Most people here, would not appreciate their supervisor talking to them the way they want Kubiak to talk to the players, in front of the whole world. In a closed room, in the locker room...... somewhere it makes sense, would be fine.

Playoffs
08-07-2011, 10:44 AM
Kubes gets on his players ... I remember Sage complaining about it, especially the use of cuss words.
Interesting, I never heard that before. Any links?

thunderkyss
08-07-2011, 10:46 AM
Should have re-signed Leach with that money and then kept David Anderson for less money.:wadepalm:

In your opinion, that would have been the best way to go?


Keep the full-back, a one-trick-pony, not nearly as versatile as Darryl Johnson, for a system offense..... & keep a receiver that does nothing to increase your chance of winning.

Or would you have signed a less expensive option at full-back, & paid a little more for a receiver with the proven skills & talent to take your system offense up a notch.

Vonta Leach & David Anderson

or

Lawrence Vickers & Jacoby Jones

thunderkyss
08-07-2011, 10:49 AM
But he has better hands than Jacoby has.

That's why he has more catches, more receiving yards, more ypc....

wait...

He doesn't.

thunderkyss
08-07-2011, 10:52 AM
Interesting, I never heard that before. Any links?

I don't know that Sage complained... I know he mentioned the abusive treatment.

David Carr complained.

Trail.Blazr
08-07-2011, 11:03 AM
In your opinion, that would have been the best way to go?


Keep the full-back, a one-trick-pony, not nearly as versatile as Darryl Johnson, for a system offense..... & keep a receiver that does nothing to increase your chance of winning.

Or would you have signed a less expensive option at full-back, & paid a little more for a receiver with the proven skills & talent to take your system offense up a notch.

Vonta Leach & David Anderson

or

Lawrence Vickers & Jacoby Jones

While I don't agree that DA does "nothing" to increase win chances, He's also had adequate time to easily dispel the notion of abandoning the jacoby project.

In comparison of the two positions... Jacoby has IMHO more to offer than DA in respect to upside. And while I'm high on Vonta and glad he "got paid", feel Vickers has as much potential offering and then some.... we'll have to see, but I like what i've read and heard. He has it upstairs.

Going the conservative route doesn't always get you were you need to go and at these positions, the downside that is tied to risk is greatly outweighed by their potential reward.

I will miss Leach... but he left on his own accord. I wish him well and have hopped on the Vickers bus, which will roll just fine I believe.

But, I digress.... this is a Jacoby thread.

NO way David Anderson can be as dynamic and a high impact player that Jacoby can and often is.

To argue the point can only serve the purpose of fun debate.

HJam72
08-07-2011, 11:07 AM
Somebody on the other boards was complaining that, "Who is our #2 receiver? Who is our #2?"

I replied that Owen Daniels is our #2 receiver...

Having said that, if Daniels goes down again, we really need a wide-out who is a second DEEP threat (after AJ). Kevin Walter catches EVERYTHING and I'm not knocking him, but sometimes you really need a 2nd deep threat, which he is NOT, and Jacoby Jones makes sure we have one...

gary
08-07-2011, 11:22 AM
In your opinion, that would have been the best way to go?


Keep the full-back, a one-trick-pony, not nearly as versatile as Darryl Johnson, for a system offense..... & keep a receiver that does nothing to increase your chance of winning.

Or would you have signed a less expensive option at full-back, & paid a little more for a receiver with the proven skills & talent to take your system offense up a notch.

Vonta Leach & David Anderson

or

Lawrence Vickers & Jacoby Jones

That's why he has more catches, more receiving yards, more ypc....

wait...

He doesn't.Say, would you rather keep Vonte and get an upgrade over both Jones and Anderson? Yea.

ChampionTexan
08-07-2011, 11:23 AM
Interesting, I never heard that before. Any links?

"A lot of head coaches don't yell at the quarterbacks or whatever in front of the team or during a game, but coach Kubiak does that," Rosenfels said. "It can be hard on quarterbacks. You can ask any quarterback that's played for him they respect the heck out of him. You're always going to have your issues. But I was battling, and he was battling. I respect him, and I think he respects me."

LINK (http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/04/rosenfels-didnt-love-kubiaks-s.html)

supersid
08-07-2011, 11:24 AM
jj was looking good at training camp this morning was pulling in amazing catches and doing it consistly all morning , looking like he might seriuosly want to finally be that #2 guy...but he better be watching over his shoulder for jean(that kid is good)

The Pencil Neck
08-07-2011, 11:56 AM
Interesting, I never heard that before. Any links?

It was all over the boards when it happened. Don't recall the link.

I think a couple of other players have also mentioned Kubes ripping them a new one in private.

And personally, that's the way I prefer it. The HC going in front of the public and taking the blame himself and then taking the offending players to the side in private and kicking their ass.

An HC that dresses his players down in public or blames his players is just unprofessional to me unless they've done something abysmally stupid that he can't not acknowledge.

ObsiWan
08-07-2011, 11:58 AM
It was all over the boards when it happened. Don't recall the link.

I think a couple of other players have also mentioned Kubes ripping them a new one in private.

And personally, that's the way I prefer it. The HC going in front of the public and taking the blame himself and then taking the offending players to the side in private and kicking their ass.

An HC that dresses his players down in public or blames his players is just unprofessional to me unless they've done something abysmally stupid that he can't not acknowledge.
^^^^
Whut he sed

ObsiWan
08-07-2011, 12:41 PM
http://images.chron.com/photos/2011/08/06/27374494/600xPopupGallery.jpg
whut's this?! JJ making a play?!

GP
08-07-2011, 04:43 PM
But he has better hands than Jacoby has.

Not entirely true.

I've done the stats work on this, in previous threads on here, and it's not as big of a difference as people think it is. JJ surpassed DA in most stat categories, was equal to him in a few, and I think was only a drop or so "worse than DA" in the drops category. Overall: JJ gives a team more than DA did.

In fact, I believe one certain person (whom I will not name) went so far as to say that Jacoby had TOO many drops and that a WR should never have any more than like 1 or 2 drops per year...which I think is flawed logic and pointed to an anti-JJ bias altogether.

I guess I will go do the stat work again. (Sigh)

EDIT: Not sure how I had originally found the "drops" stat, or if that was provided by someone else. I will do all stats that I can, though stats can be viewed however a person wants to view them...so go figure on why I am wasting my time, and yours, on this project. LOL.

EllisUnit
08-07-2011, 04:46 PM
Oh.... now we're getting picky.

;) Noooooooooo

GP
08-07-2011, 05:13 PM
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t128/gpshafer_1976/DA-vs-JJ.jpg

GP
08-07-2011, 05:25 PM
Look at the 20+ column.

17 career receptions by JJ that were between 20 and 40 yards in length vs. only 8 by DA in the same length of reception. And that's with JJ having one less season than DA here (JJ has four seasons vs. DA's five).

That's DA with over half as many 20+ receptions as JJ.

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Look at the 40+ column.

JJ has 5 career 40+ receptions compared to DA's 1 40+ reception.

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Analysis 1: JJ is stretching the field BIG TIME. The stat comparison for that category is brutally in favor of JJ as giving your team "more" bang for the bucks.

Analysis 2: Look at FIRST DOWNS. JJ has 61 career first downs vs. DA's 50.

Conclusion:

Jacoby has such HUGE production when he DOES catch the ball, that his failures are magnified because we all want to see him become consistent like Andre Johnson. It's a greed thang. We all know he's a freak on the field, but we slap our foreheads when he doesn't come through on something.

For that, he gets labeled as being "coddled" or not being worth the hassle.

No other player on this team do you, nor Kubiak or any other Texans employee in the operations side, want to see go somewhere else and finally "get it" than Jacoby Jones.

That would be, IMO, one of the worst cuts in team history. It would be absurdly awful. I think he has this year and maybe 1 or 2 more in him, and after that (according to what he does THIS year) it's up to Texans brass to decide if he's still growing or he has peaked and is just a flash every now and then.

In addition, if JJ blows up huge this year...he and his agent might make the decision FOR the Texans if they press for a new deal for big big bucks. I don't think we'd do it, frankly, because of the talent that Kubiak has been able to acquire in draft and UDFA route each year.

Call me crazy, but Tolliver and Jean seem to be pressing HARD like no other guy has before (for where they came from and what's ahead of them on the roster). JJ could become very expendable if Kubiak is smart enough to develop Tolliver and Jean. Even Townsel (sp?) seems like he's got potential.

I don't see how Kubiak can even contemplate trying to sneak Tolliver and/or Jean onto the Practice Squad. To me, unless they have an atrocious preseason, those two guys become a part of the roster. Not sure how that affects roster limits and/or depth chart in other positions, though.

Double Barrel
08-08-2011, 11:28 AM
Lane college.....

We knew he was going to take some time to develop when we drafted him.


Is the guy a PROFESSIONAL or not? I could care less about a player's history once our team pays him to be a pro.

Take some time? Season 4 should be big for him in that case.

3 years, $10.5 million. Just less than what Leach got from the Ravens. Essentially, the Texans picked Jacoby over Vonta.

Yep. It will be interesting to see how that works out for us and the Ravens.

NO way David Anderson can be as dynamic and a high impact player that Jacoby can and often is.

In the words of a great Texans fan: "And I'll wager David Anderson has MORE game in his pinky than any pathetic nay-sayer on these boards, so with a grain of salt, I take little value from opinions that the Texans shouldn't continue to allow David Anderson to mature into greatness."

If you're not as a talented as a pro ball player you can't have an opinion? I guess we need to shut down the forums and sports talk radio by your logic.

:thinking:

Trail.Blazr
08-08-2011, 03:32 PM
In the words of a great Texans fan: "And I'll wager David Anderson has MORE game in his pinky than any pathetic nay-sayer on these boards, so with a grain of salt, I take little value from opinions that the Texans shouldn't continue to allow David Anderson to mature into greatness."

If you're not as a talented as a pro ball player you can't have an opinion? I guess we need to shut down the forums and sports talk radio by your logic.

:thinking:


I agree. And I never layed claim that David Anderson was coddled; should be allowed to step his ass to another team". But to see someone say that about JJ was a bit over the top. He's a huge talent. Enough that they elected to keep him. Grain of salt didn't imply the opinion can't be had, so no need to twist my logic, but simply translated meant I view it with an attitude of skepticism.

Double Barrel
08-08-2011, 04:24 PM
I agree. And I never layed claim that David Anderson was coddled; should be allowed to step his ass to another team". But to see someone say that about JJ was a bit over the top. He's a huge talent. Enough that they elected to keep him. Grain of salt didn't imply the opinion can't be had, so no need to twist my logic, but simply translated meant I view it with an attitude of skepticism.

I understand. Good point. While JJ makes me nervous, I'm hopeful that this season he proves the Texans FO were right in keeping him. This team needs every player to give everything they have on every play, and in that regard, I'm not concerned about JJ at all. Dude is definitely a ball of energy that wants to succeed.

steelbtexan
08-08-2011, 04:39 PM
This is SOS.

Same thing that they said about JJ last yr.

Dont want to hear about it. I want to see it on Sundays.

DexmanC
08-08-2011, 06:51 PM
Seriously?

David Anderson string dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35og1Ha1q8Q)
(and for the record, you didn't stipulate dance well)

You mean the string dance he did in 2008? That was the last season
DA had a SINGLE TOUCHDOWN for the Texans. Jacoby has been
finding the endzone quite a bit for this teams in more ways than one.

Keeping Jacoby Jones over DA? No-brainer.

spurstexanstros
08-08-2011, 08:06 PM
<----is all Im gonna say about my kids pal.

Go get em Jacoby...Jace is rootin for ya.