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badboy
08-03-2011, 01:58 PM
Ok, can we agree to let that one go? Not interested in past;David Carr or Capers or Casserly or GM/HC stuff. Sure the season has to play out and there are no guarantees about anything.

Robert "Bob" McNair has stepped up his game. I am pumped! Now if the coaches can coach...

disaacks3
08-03-2011, 02:00 PM
Ok, can we agree to let that one go? Not interested in past;David Carr or Capers or Casserly or GM/HC stuff. Sure the season has to play out and there are no guarantees about anything.

Robert "Bob" McNair has stepped up his game. I am pumped! Now if the coaches can coach...

What do you mean "the past".....Billionaire Bob didn't pony up enough to get Aso!! :sarcasm:

GuerillaBlack
08-03-2011, 02:01 PM
No.

One offseason is not a trend. He does it again, and then it'll be dropped.

Dutchrudder
08-03-2011, 02:05 PM
No.

One offseason is not a trend. He does it again, and then it'll be dropped.

He won't have a choice in 2013 and beyond. 90% of the current cap is 108 million, so if that's the floor in 2013, he will be forced to stay above that number. I really do wonder how that is going to work though, will teams way under the cap rework contracts for star players to pay them a bunch in one year to meet the minimum?

Ole Miss Texan
08-03-2011, 02:05 PM
I've always thought it was a silly and baseless reason to criticize McNair. He's got his faults but this isn't one of them.

michaelm
08-03-2011, 02:10 PM
No.

One offseason is not a trend. He does it again, and then it'll be dropped.


I'm not sure where the trend is re: the willingness to spend money.
It was never an issue, IMO, so there is not a cheapness trend to point to.

I'm surprised at how people confuse poor scouting, poor talent recognition, and poor personnel decisions with cheapness.

"We over paid Ahman Green"
"We over paid Eric Moulds"
"We over paid Antonio Smith"
etc...

"The Texans have to over pay good free agents to get them to come here"

There has been a consistent theme of people complaining about the Texans over paying for this or that, and the team is always up near the salary cap.

We have conversations every single year about how much room they have under the cap (usually not a lot)

I can't for the life of me figure out how that translates to cheapness.

Texecutioner
08-03-2011, 02:13 PM
No.

One offseason is not a trend. He does it again, and then it'll be dropped.

This ^^^^^^^^^

I've always thought it was a silly and baseless reason to criticize McNair. He's got his faults but this isn't one of them.


It could have possibly been that Rick Smith and Kubiak wanted to go after all kinds of free agents over the years, but Bob said no the majority of the time handicapping them of filling holes and improving the team through free agency. We'll never know 100%, but they all got the blame for 5 years of ineptitude.

Playoffs
08-03-2011, 02:17 PM
McNair is not nearly over the cap enough. Scrooge!

GP
08-03-2011, 02:21 PM
No.

One offseason is not a trend. He does it again, and then it'll be dropped.

This is valid.

What if we shed players and go back to turtling up?

Those guys are going to have to figure out how to keep Joseph, Manning, Vickers, Foster, Andre Johnson, Mario, Schaub, and a whole slew of tweeners like Cushing.

Granted, I know not all of their contracts expire at the same time...but still, they have to figure out how to structure things so that we keep what we have AND go after new players who hit free agency.

What if some of our guys are injured and can't return? What if DeMeco can't handle it anymore? What if Cushing's knee is worse than we know? What if Andre gets injured so badly that he's not the same AJ anymore?

What about a Schaub injury that renders him less than optimal strength?

Running back injuries or Arian demanding a trade to a bigger better team, just because he "can"?

So many things can happen, and these front office guys have got to play the free agency system and the draft with high degree of difficulty.

I will obviously shut up for now. But if this is just a vacation from reality, with us returning to our mundane Texans life a few seasons from now? Well, I guess every 10 years we get to have some fun around here.

Maybe BOTH sides should drop it?

Hardcore Texan
08-03-2011, 02:22 PM
The salary cap is the salary cap, it's a fixed price. That's really Rick Smith's responsibility to manage for McNair and to get Kubes the players he needs within those parameters.

McNair pays the FO and coaching staff for which there isn't a cap. Kubiak is a highly paid coach.

So I have never understood the comments.

Texecutioner
08-03-2011, 02:26 PM
You have no idea what you're talking about.

I would come up with an intelligent rebuttal for this nonsense post, but michaelm has already beat me to it.

Texans fanbase, where delusion and contradiction resides.

Great rebuttal. Maybe you should just neg rep him and run instead like you did with me. That will really show him.

Bob's history of running a franchise and making decisions surely has given the fans the benefit of the doubt now hasn't it. But carry on though, I'd hate to interfere with your insults of the entire fan base.




Maybe BOTH sides should drop it?

Probably the best idea yet. This thread was certainly started to be a fire burner.

gary
08-03-2011, 02:33 PM
I am bummed that Jacoby Jones was brought back.

HTown2ATX
08-03-2011, 02:42 PM
I never really thought he was cheap. That has never been my issue with him.

My issue has been the dumbass coaches who are too stubborn unless they know that this time, for real, like seriously, no for real, they will be fired if no playoffs or less than probably 11-5 without playoffs (or at least you would think but clearly Kubiak has 4 leaf clover DNA to still have his job).

Remember last year when Kareem was getting burnt/falling all over the field and all we heard was "we'll stick with what we've got" and all that other BS and they just kept sticking him out there, game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,game after game,...

Get my point. (Still so effing pissed about the SD game last year where some no namer Ajiritoutou or some such nonsense burned us up for 2 TD's and a career day!!!!!!!!)

So basically, I guess what I am saying is I want him to slide a little farther away from the plaid picnic table cover and basket and a little closer to a (dare I say) Jerra type......hear me out before you go ape shit. I'm not saying become Jerra, but having a little of that in you may not be bad.

Also the whole "character" only guys is getting old too.

Just IMO.

HOU-TEX
08-03-2011, 02:46 PM
You can blame McNair for his choices of FO personel, but calling him cheap has been ridiculous. Sure, we've sucked but have always been bumping the max of the cap. McNair has never been a Jerry Jones type owner that sticks his face in decisions that are usually left up to GMs and coach's. He pays Smith and crew to do their job and has always ponied up the cabbage when asked. Now, I'm sure he has final say in big money. But since we've been up against the cap year in year out I reckon he's said yes a majority of the time

Personel decisions have not been very good, period.

*This is going to be my only comment on this subject since we now have football....unless I'm challenged by someone I care to discuss with

Ole Miss Texan
08-03-2011, 02:47 PM
2002 - 5th highest payroll
2003 - 16th highest payroll
2004 - 3rd highest payroll
2005 - 16th highest payroll
2006 - 7th highest payroll
2007 - 22nd highest payroll
2008 - 22nd highest payroll
2009 - 3rd highest payroll
2010 - ???
2011 - ???

http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/salaries/team

Not sure 2010's numbers. And we're one of seven teams over the cap for 2011 so.....

It could have possibly been that Rick Smith and Kubiak wanted to go after all kinds of free agents over the years, but Bob said no the majority of the time handicapping them of filling holes and improving the team through free agency. We'll never know 100%, but they all got the blame for 5 years of ineptitude.
McNair could have said no all he wanted but the fact still remains that we've had some of the highest payrolls during our existence. I'd argue that when the regime changed in 2006 he did make a concerted effort to spend wisely. Not cheaply. We had tons of bad signings that led to dead money. 2006, 2007, 2008 was used to help clear some of that and get the team healthy. We've been in good situations financial the last few years because of that prudence, not cheapness. Let's not confuse the two.

What are the thoughts on extending the contracts recently of Andre Johnson, Demeco Ryans and Owen Daniels. Each making them near the highest paid at their respective positions? Keeping Schaub and paying his $10 Million bonus. Bringing in Wade Phillips and making him the highest paid DC in the league...

GP
08-03-2011, 02:49 PM
This is like the blind squirrel talking massive shit to the other squirrels when he finally finds a nut.

Congrats. Go find another one now.

Texecutioner
08-03-2011, 02:52 PM
This is like the blind squirrel talking massive shit to the other squirrels when he finally finds a nut.

Congrats. Go find another one now.

:spit: Funniest Blind Squirrel reference ever man. Wish I could rep ya, but I did yesterday.

badboy
08-03-2011, 02:59 PM
Great rebuttal. Maybe you should just neg rep him and run instead like you did with me. That will really show him.

Bob's history of running a franchise and making decisions surely has given the fans the benefit of the doubt now hasn't it. But carry on though, I'd hate to interfere with your insults of the entire fan base.




Probably the best idea yet. This thread was certainly started to be a fire burner.Actually, Texecutioner, I was hoping all would mumble a bit, say good job but prove your player/coaching decisions were good ones and then go back to football. I am a bit naive.

FirstTexansFan
08-03-2011, 03:00 PM
:spit: Funniest Blind Squirrel reference ever man. Wish I could rep ya, but I did yesterday.

I got him for ya, and added to yours for the guy neg rep'ing you... My rep power rules! :)

Texecutioner
08-03-2011, 03:02 PM
Actually, Texecutioner, I was hoping all would mumble a bit, say good job but prove your player/coaching decisions were good ones and then go back to football. I am a bit naive.

I don't take you for a trouble maker or anything. Not really your style, but you should have known what kind of potential this one had. No big deal. Hopefully, this season is the big start in the right direction and next year the trend can continue. :toast2:

Texecutioner
08-03-2011, 03:03 PM
I got him for ya, and added to yours for the guy neg rep'ing you... My rep power rules! :)

Thanks big dog. Read your message as well. Back atcha!!!

GP
08-03-2011, 03:05 PM
Thanks guys.

Toan and SteveSlaton20 are swimming upstream here. You two guys neg rep us, and we'll just band together and (1) neg rep YOU and get yours down to zero. And we'll then go out and (2) Positive rep ourselves and boost us up four times where we were before.

And if you say "It's sad that you think rep means anything," then why in the hell are you neg repping like little Nancies in the first place???

The rep system works. It shows who tries to be a good board member and who plays shenanigans and tries to be a bully.

GP
08-03-2011, 03:08 PM
I got him for ya, and added to yours for the guy neg rep'ing you... My rep power rules! :)

Rep your way, too. I got you a +75 boost.

Toan and SteveSlaton20 are the good cholesterol of the message board health system. Thanks you two!

stingray
08-03-2011, 03:08 PM
Free agency should be used to complete a good team not to make a good team. Just look at where it got the Redskins when they were throwing money like Pac Man jones at a strip bar. It got them in cap hell and a very mediocre team.

Texecutioner
08-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Free agency should be used to complete a good team not to make it a good team. Just look at where it got the Redskins when they were throwing money like Pac Man jones at a strip bar. It got them in cap hell and a very mediocre team.

You see this is the worst example you could make though. There are teams in the NFL every season that do really well from improving their team in free agency. It's the free agency fear mongers that always want to point at the Redskins or the Cowboys and act like that's always what happens if you try to improve your team in free agency with quality players. It's always some "Redskins" reference as if going after a quality player to fill a hole on your team is like buying a car on the internet without getting to check the engine or get a "Car Faxx" to find out the history. The Redskins references are old and they're not the norm. I wish people would stop trying to point to Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones every single time a player is mentioned that could help out the Texans possibly. At least in free agency you have a strong idea of what kind of guy you're bringing to your team and if he can play in the NFL or not. IN the draft you're always rolling the dice on potential.

badboy
08-03-2011, 03:15 PM
I don't take you for a trouble maker or anything. Not really your style, but you should have known what kind of potential this one had. No big deal. Hopefully, this season is the big start in the right direction and next year the trend can continue. :toast2:

:handshake:

badboy
08-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Free agency should be used to complete a good team not to make a good team. Just look at where it got the Redskins when they were throwing money like Pac Man jones at a strip bar. It got them in cap hell and a very mediocre team.Free agency is a tool just like the draft or scouts or trainers; if used effectively your team gets better. Hipefully, we are now in a position to start using the draft & BPA to strengthen team into a perenial powerhouse. We could then use FA if that just right player at just right price comes along. The new television deal should really be a sweet one as sponsors too were scared of no football & probably was a wake up call for them also.

stingray
08-03-2011, 03:26 PM
You see this is the worst example you could make though. There are teams in the NFL every season that do really well from improving their team in free agency. It's the free agency fear mongers that always want to point at the Redskins or the Cowboys and act like that's always what happens if you try to improve your team in free agency with quality players. It's always some "Redskins" reference as if going after a quality player to fill a hole on your team is like buying a car on the internet without getting to check the engine or get a "Car Faxx" to find out the history. The Redskins references are old and they're not the norm. I wish people would stop trying to point to Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones every single time a player is mentioned that could help out the Texans possibly. At least in free agency you have a strong idea of what kind of guy you're bringing to your team and if he can play in the NFL or not. IN the draft you're always rolling the dice on potential.

Lol!!! Where in my post did I ever say that no team will improve by using free agency. Like I said, free agency should be used smartly. Quality teams use free agency to tune up their teams but they don't build their teams through free agency. Teams that target the "star" free agents every year don't really improve that much. And yes, I will use Snyder and Jones as those people that do that. And they have squat to show for it. Unlike the Eagles who build through the draft and target a high price free agent once in a while to try to put them over the top.

Texecutioner
08-03-2011, 03:34 PM
Lol!!! Where in my post did I ever say that no team will improve by using free agency. Like I said, free agency should be used smartly. Quality teams use free agency to tune up their teams but they don't build their teams through free agency. Teams that target the "star" free agents every year don't really improve that much. And yes, I will use Schneider and Jones as those people that do that. And they have squat to show for it. Unlike the Eagles who build through the draft and target a high price free agent once in a while to try to put them over the top.

The Eagles have been probably just as aggressive in FA or even more than the Skins over the last few years. They're actually a great example to make as to why FA works to improve your team. They've been fantastic at it. They just haven't been as stupid as the Skins as far as who they've picked up and who they've paid.

And you say that a team can't build off of it?? Well I disagree and there are examples to show for it. Just look at Seattle last season. They were going nowhere. Carroll went in there and put a lot of new pieces in place and made that team respectable again in one off season where they ended up over achieving and even beat the former SB champs in the playoffs when they weren't supposed to go anywhere last season. This year, they've stacked that team with Rice, Zach Miller, added a QB in Jackson which isn't great but they still have added more pieces and now they've got a very nice receiving core. They also added Lynch through trade last season which is also sort of like using free agency.

Look at what the Jets did. They weren't looking to go anywhere and in one off season Rex brought a team all the way to the AFC championship and then reloaded with all kinds of guys in the off season last year and went right back just barely losing in both games.

These are just current examples of teams that have turned around fast and have a nice roster because of it. I don't even understand why people use the term or the idea of "building through the draft," because unless you're going to sit out of the entire draft which no team would ever do then you're always building through the draft ever season. It's pretty much a rule to draft players.

El Tejano
08-03-2011, 03:38 PM
This ^^^^^^^^^




It could have possibly been that Rick Smith and Kubiak wanted to go after all kinds of free agents over the years, but Bob said no the majority of the time handicapping them of filling holes and improving the team through free agency. We'll never know 100%, but they all got the blame for 5 years of ineptitude.

Yeah and what's amazing is how all of a sudden Wade comes along and most likely says he wants this or that defensive player and wala we are getting them or going after them.

stingray
08-03-2011, 03:43 PM
The Eagles have been probably just as aggressive in FA or even more than the Skins over the last few years. They're actually a great example to make as to why FA works to improve your team. They've been fantastic at it. They just haven't been as stupid as the Skins as far as who they've picked up and who they've paid.

Bingo!!! That's my whole point. Teams have to be smart with their money and not throw it away at someone who is very risky. Asante Samuel and Aso were very low risk signings. Fat Albert was a huge risk and it blew up in their face.

Texan_Bill
08-03-2011, 05:02 PM
What do you mean "the past".....Billionaire Bob didn't pony up enough to get Aso!! :sarcasm:

I'm glad you got that out of the way!! :texanbill:

thunderkyss
08-03-2011, 05:23 PM
No.

One offseason is not a trend. He does it again, and then it'll be dropped.


This is valid.

What if we shed players and go back to turtling up?


No, this is not valid. You are missing the point completely.

McNair has spent money year after year after year on players. He throws money away on guys like David Car & he's bent over backwards to give Andre Johnson money. 3 huge contracts in a 6 year period, do you remember that?

Antonio Smith, remember him? Jacques Reeves, I think he got as much money as the top CB that year.

It has never been a pocket book problem. The problem has been who Rick Smith & Gary Kubiak decided to give that money to.

This offseason just happen to work to the Texans' philosophy. JJo & DMan are the same type of FA they've always gone after, young, in their primes or entering.....

Not paying Dunta was definitely a turning point for the Texans if you ask me..... demanding a player be able to live up to their paycheck.

thunderkyss
08-03-2011, 05:24 PM
Great rebuttal. Maybe you should just neg rep him and run.....

Can someone neg rep this guy for me?

GP
08-03-2011, 05:47 PM
No, this is not valid. You are missing the point completely.

McNair has spent money year after year after year on players. He throws money away on guys like David Car & he's bent over backwards to give Andre Johnson money. 3 huge contracts in a 6 year period, do you remember that?

Antonio Smith, remember him? Jacques Reeves, I think he got as much money as the top CB that year.

It has never been a pocket book problem. The problem has been who Rick Smith & Gary Kubiak decided to give that money to.

This offseason just happen to work to the Texans' philosophy. JJo & DMan are the same type of FA they've always gone after, young, in their primes or entering.....

Not paying Dunta was definitely a turning point for the Texans if you ask me..... demanding a player be able to live up to their paycheck.

I think you think Gary and Rick are like managers of a Costco who get to hire their own employees with no approval needed from above.

Bob McNair is not going to spend any kind of money on people he doesn't want to spend money on.

I seriously doubt McNair builds model trains up in his penthouse suite while Rick and Gary are free to add or cut any person they want: See the issues with Carr and Dunta, two guys whom Bob loved like his own sons and wouldn't let go without a fight. Case closed.

You're attempting to acquit Bob McNair of being an accessory to this crime, and it doesn't wash TK. He was signing the checks, he was being told who was out there, and he could have made any number of moves. Unless we're to believe that all McNair does is sit around and count his cash and stroll the vacant walkways of Reliant, checking up on the hot dog stand and making sure the hot dogs taste good while Gary and Rick play boss all day. Whatever.

Bob McNair finally waved the white flag of surrender. The first domino to fall was hiring a proven d-coord, and I won't buy for one single second that Richard Smith nor Frank Bush were solely the choices of Kubiak--This would be, once again, trying to act like Bob is out pruning flowers with his wife while Gary and Rick oversee his estate. Not happenin'. Bob just figured it was time to play Big Boy Football. Period.

And THAT is the bottom line. That' how we got here: Bob tried it one way--HIS way--and he's had to totally throw in all his chips and go all in. Maybe he looked back on his weepy act when the owners patted him on the back for the Ravens overtime loss and figured he looked like the schmuck everybody thought him to be back then? Maybe Bob isn't getting angry...he's getting EVEN? 'Bout damn time.

The only thing I agree with you is that NOW was somehow the most perfect storm for Bob to throw his chips in. That's the sort of good fortune that quite frankly has been due to us for the past 10 years now. After the shitty expansion draft offerings we had to choose from, this is putting things back to a level footing IMO.

Dutchrudder
08-03-2011, 05:56 PM
Thanks guys.

Toan and SteveSlaton20 are swimming upstream here. You two guys neg rep us, and we'll just band together and (1) neg rep YOU and get yours down to zero. And we'll then go out and (2) Positive rep ourselves and boost us up four times where we were before.

And if you say "It's sad that you think rep means anything," then why in the hell are you neg repping like little Nancies in the first place???

The rep system works. It shows who tries to be a good board member and who plays shenanigans and tries to be a bully.

Steve Slaton probably didn't mean to neg rep you, but rather he fumbled the mouse click and accidentally hit the wrong button...

DocBar
08-03-2011, 07:15 PM
Steve Slaton probably didn't mean to neg rep you, but rather he fumbled the mouse click and accidentally hit the wrong button...Rep requires spelling and grammar?? :spit:

thunderkyss
08-03-2011, 07:44 PM
You're attempting to acquit Bob McNair of being an accessory to this crime, and it doesn't wash TK. He was signing the checks...

We're talking about McNair being cheap. If you want to change the subject & blame McNair for Rick & Gary's decisions.... fine. I'm not arguing that.

It does not matter

It does not matter

It does not matter

who they gave the money to

who they gave the money to

who they gave the money to

He can't be cheap if he's spending money

He can't be cheap if he's spending money

He can't be cheap if he's spending money


The only difference now, is that you agree with the guys they've picked up. He's not spending any more money than before. Had they signed Aso... maybe that support your position.


But signing Manning and Joseph doesn't make him any less cheap than he's been in the past.


It's the same type of signing.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 07:53 PM
This thread is just going to end with the "Cheapers" saying McNair is still cheap and he needs to put the team in salary cap hell (Which now exists again) before they are satisfied. . .

While the public defenders state that he's always been spending money.

It'll be a circular argument and basically you're almost never going to get rid of every person who thinks McNair is cheap, because those people will hold on to their pessimistic values until the Texans organization goes above and beyond some very high bars that the Cheapers have set for the team.

Should probably just drop it at this point.

GP
08-03-2011, 08:14 PM
The only difference now, is that you agree with the guys they've picked up. He's not spending any more money than before.

Oh, I was thinking we went over the cap or something. So we're not spending any more now than we have in the past???

Several guys are going to have to restructure contracts. That's a first out of the past 10 years of football here. Must be spending more and not less.

Coaches were hired on the cheap, too. I bet Wade is making hella' more money than the past two guys combined.

Bob has seen the light.

Fred
08-03-2011, 09:06 PM
No, this is not valid. You are missing the point completely.

McNair has spent money year after year after year on players. He throws money away on guys like David Car & he's bent over backwards to give Andre Johnson money. 3 huge contracts in a 6 year period, do you remember that?

Antonio Smith, remember him? Jacques Reeves, I think he got as much money as the top CB that year.

It has never been a pocket book problem. The problem has been who Rick Smith & Gary Kubiak decided to give that money to.

This offseason just happen to work to the Texans' philosophy. JJo & DMan are the same type of FA they've always gone after, young, in their primes or entering.....

Not paying Dunta was definitely a turning point for the Texans if you ask me..... demanding a player be able to live up to their paycheck.

Must spread rep...

No, you are missing the point completely. The point is delusional people who think the number one problem with the Texans is that Bob is cheap are positive repping themselves and neg repping anyone who says something true. I expect your rep to drop below zero any second now.

For some people the problem has to be the owner because it would be hard to watch the games of their crummy team if they admitted the players sucked or that the head coach was a blithering doofus. While all the signings this year seem great, I'm having a hard time getting excited because the head coach will still be ... Gary Kubiak. (If Foster runs for over 200 yards against Indy to lead us to victory, and then in the game at Indy we come out passing every down, Wade better punch Gary in the face, ala Buddy Ryan).

To blame the owner, he has to be a "meddler" or a "cheapskate". Bob isn't really a "meddler" so he must be a "cheapskate". The fact that the Texans payroll has always been high is not relevant - and anyone who says it is will be negative repped! (Actually I think Bob is a low-grade meddler. Not a Jerra or Danny, but probably not supportive of bringing in the Rae Curruths and Pacman Jones of the world.)

If Joseph, Manning, and Vickers all fall short of expectations it will be because Billionaire Bob was CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP going into this season.

Scooter
08-04-2011, 07:30 AM
edit.

Dutchrudder
08-04-2011, 08:43 AM
Rep requires spelling and grammar?? :spit:

Huh?

DocBar
08-04-2011, 08:47 AM
Huh?I was poking fun at Steve Slaton.

Surreal McCoy
08-04-2011, 09:22 AM
Must spread rep...

No, you are missing the point completely. The point is delusional people who think the number one problem with the Texans is that Bob is cheap are positive repping themselves and neg repping anyone who says something true. I expect your rep to drop below zero any second now.

Repped for truth.


For some people the problem has to be the owner because it would be hard to watch the games of their crummy team if they admitted the players sucked or that the head coach was a blithering doofus...

Umm, not being sarcastic here, but have you had a proper look around these theads?

drs23
08-04-2011, 11:09 AM
This thread is just going to end with the "Cheapers" saying McNair is still cheap and he needs to put the team in salary cap hell (Which now exists again) before they are satisfied. . .

While the public defenders state that he's always been spending money.

It'll be a circular argument and basically you're almost never going to get rid of every person who thinks McNair is cheap, because those people will hold on to their pessimistic values until the Texans organization goes above and beyond some very high bars that the Cheapers have set for the team.

Should probably just drop it at this point.

Well said. Good post.

Blake
08-04-2011, 11:15 AM
This thread is lame. Basically yall are defending McNair by saying he is over the cap and spends alot, but at the same time are displaying how stupid he is with his money on bad contracts for over the hill players.

Ahman Green
Todd Wade
Anthony Weaver
Robaire Smith
Morlon Greenwood
Eric Moulds

10 years. 1 winning record. Zero playoff appearances. And last year the 2nd worst secondary in NFL history. Congrats McNair. You paid millions and millions for mediocrity.

Yay! McNair isnt cheap, he is stupid! /Thread.

The Pencil Neck
08-04-2011, 11:16 AM
This thread is lame. Basically yall are defending McNair by saying he is over the cap and spends alot, but at the same time are displaying how stupid he is with his money on bad contracts for over the hill players.

Ahman Green
Todd Wade
Anthony Weaver
Robaire Smith
Morlon Greenwood
Eric Moulds



Yay! McNair isnt cheap, he is stupid! Congrats guys.

McNair is the GM?

Blake
08-04-2011, 11:25 AM
McNair is the GM?

It all comes from the top down brother.

Ole Miss Texan
08-04-2011, 11:40 AM
This thread is lame. Basically yall are defending McNair by saying he is over the cap and spends alot, but at the same time are displaying how stupid he is with his money on bad contracts for over the hill players.

Ahman Green
Todd Wade
Anthony Weaver
Robaire Smith
Morlon Greenwood
Eric Moulds

10 years. 1 winning record. Zero playoff appearances. And last year the 2nd worst secondary in NFL history. Congrats McNair. You paid millions and millions for mediocrity.

Yay! McNair isnt cheap, he is stupid! /Thread.
That's my beef with the crowd that calls McNair cheap. It's a completely baseless arguement. There's plenty of stuff to complain about: Bad signings, no playoff appearances, etc etc. But calling him cheap just smells of desperation for fans to find something, anything, to complain about even if it's completely false.

Marcus
08-04-2011, 11:42 AM
I guess what it all boils down to, is that there are actually people here, who are so ****ing ignorant, that they actually don't know the difference between "stupid" and "cheap".

They don't need to be negative repped. They need to euthanized.

thunderkyss
08-04-2011, 02:38 PM
Oh, I was thinking we went over the cap or something. So we're not spending any more now than we have in the past???

Several guys are going to have to restructure contracts. That's a first out of the past 10 years of football here. Must be spending more and not less.

Oh, he's restructuring contracts so he doesn't have to pay out more than the cap... so he won't be spending any more.

Thanks for setting me straight.

Coaches were hired on the cheap, too. I bet Wade is making hella' more money than the past two guys combined.

Bob has seen the light.

I agree he's seen the light. But it's more about who he lets do the hiring around here more than how much money he doles out.

steelbtexan
08-04-2011, 03:04 PM
I just wanted to make a post in this thread.

Everybody knows which side of the issue I stand.

LOL

GP
08-04-2011, 03:13 PM
They don't need to be negative repped. They need to euthanized.

That kind of talk right there is just being a bad person on here.

We can all rib one another and throw out some smack, but talking of killing someone is over the line.

That post is getting reported, and you ought to be ashamed you said that shit...no matter WHO it's being said about. 100% uncalled for no matter the situation.

b0ng
08-04-2011, 03:21 PM
That kind of talk right there is just being a bad person on here.

We can all rib one another and throw out some smack, but talking of killing someone is over the line.

That post is getting reported, and you ought to be ashamed you said that shit...no matter WHO it's being said about. 100% uncalled for no matter the situation.

What are you the classiness police?

Texecutioner
08-04-2011, 03:23 PM
That kind of talk right there is just being a bad person on here.

We can all rib one another and throw out some smack, but talking of killing someone is over the line.

That post is getting reported, and you ought to be ashamed you said that shit...no matter WHO it's being said about. 100% uncalled for no matter the situation.

The fact that it was being said about members on this board just because he disagrees with their football take, well yeah I agree. I wasn't surprised when I read it though.

badboy
08-04-2011, 03:28 PM
I wished I had not started this thread. Can sombody lock it and we go on to something else?

Blake
08-04-2011, 03:52 PM
Last!

steelbtexan
08-04-2011, 04:05 PM
The fact that it was being said about members on this board just because he disagrees with their football take, well yeah I agree. I wasn't surprised when I read it though.

That's just the way it works with some of the posters.

Disagree wish death on them, Genius I say just Genius.

Probably voted for Obama

LOL

GP
08-04-2011, 04:08 PM
What are you the classiness police?

Oh, I was under the impression that there WAS a line. My bad.

Continue on.

Ole Miss Texan
08-04-2011, 04:09 PM
That's just the way it works with some of the posters.

Disagree wish death on them, Genius I say just Genius.

Probably voted for Obama

LOL

Give me neg rep or give me death!!!

Signed,
Patrick Henry

Texan_Bill
08-04-2011, 04:11 PM
What are you the classiness police?

He would have his work cut out on me alone!

:facepalm: Bill!

b0ng
08-04-2011, 04:12 PM
Oh, I was under the impression that there WAS a line. My bad.

Continue on.

It's the internet, you crossed the line by logging on lol.

GP
08-04-2011, 04:12 PM
What are you the classiness police?

Oh that's right!

You're the guy who, along with kastofsna, was making jokes about the death of Bears' player Gaines Adams. I thought I remembered that you had no class.

Soooooooo. . .

I heard his trip to the pearly gates was delayed because he couldn't get around St. Peter.

Thread link here. (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68843&page=3&highlight=gaines+adams) Post #2, and you really kept pouring it on throughout the thread. Stay classy, San Diego.

I have a pretty good memory.

GP
08-04-2011, 04:14 PM
It's the internet, you crossed the line by logging on lol.

You never cross a line because you deem there is none.

Creator of your own universe, I suppose.

b0ng
08-04-2011, 04:15 PM
Oh that's right!

You're the guy who, along with kastofsna, was making jokes about the death of Bears' player Gaines Adams. I thought I remembered that you had no class.



Thread link here. (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68843&page=3&highlight=gaines+adams) Post #2, and you really kept pouring it on throughout the thread. Stay classy, San Diego.

I have a pretty good memory.

And I would care about what you think is classy because ________ (Feel free to fill in the blank with some moral high ground)

GP
08-04-2011, 04:16 PM
And I would care about what you think is classy because ________ (Feel free to fill in the blank with some moral high ground)

Oh I know you don't care. It's obvious you're devoid of ethics.

Morals is what IS.

Ethics is what IS ought to be.

You have lots of morals, just no ethics.

b0ng
08-04-2011, 04:20 PM
Oh I know you don't care. It's obvious you're devoid of ethics.

Morals is what IS.

Ethics is what IS ought to be.

You have lots of morals, just no ethics.

I still don't understand who died (besides Gaines Adams) and made you king of what should and shouldn't be said on the internet.

Try not to be such a blowhard.

GP
08-04-2011, 04:22 PM
I still don't understand who died (besides Gaines Adams) and made you king of what should and shouldn't be said on the internet.

Try not to be such a blowhard.

I just find it odd that 99.97% choose to refrain, but you and two others can't.

Don't you find it peculiar that such a vast majority of people, literally 99.97% on here, refrained from crossing a line...but you and two others went hog wild with various taboo statements?

I'm NOT in charge of anything. Just making an observation.

Carry on.

Texecutioner
08-04-2011, 04:31 PM
I wished I had not started this thread. Can sombody lock it and we go on to something else?

Might as well at this point.

steelbtexan
08-04-2011, 04:38 PM
Give me neg rep or give me death!!!

Signed,
Patrick Henry

I've never neg repped anybody.

I dont believe in neg repping somebody because they disagree with me. Unlike some on this MB,

Wishing death on another human being is crossing a line.

Garuntee you Bong is an Obama voter. And no I'm not the police of anything. But I do have my views and lets just say that other than the pot thing we disagree on just about everything.

b0ng
08-04-2011, 04:41 PM
I just find it odd that 99.97% choose to refrain, but you and two others can't.

Don't you find it peculiar that such a vast majority of people, literally 99.97% on here, refrained from crossing a line...but you and two others went hog wild with various taboo statements?

I'm NOT in charge of anything. Just making an observation.

Carry on.

Your making up your numbers, sorry to be the one to break it to you bud.

Anyways, McNair isn't a cheapskate and never has been. His spending habits are an almost direct reflection of whoever his general manager is. Not one person on this board has presented a shred of any evidence to the contrary so that is what I choose to believe.

And even then, you guys are complaining about McNair when there are owners like Mike Brown, The Glazers and The Bidwells running around the league figuring out ways to get around the cap floor and making sure that any star player that happen to draft wants to leave almost immediately. At worst McNair is entirely too willing to let incompetent people learn on the job, but he's brought in coaching when it's been requested on his dime and he's signed players before the summer of 2011 that were fairly expensive.

Any criticism of money grubbing or spendthrift ways should probably be directed at Rick Smith since from player accounts (Past and present) and other media he is the HNIC.

Ole Miss Texan
08-04-2011, 04:42 PM
Since this is going downhill, VERY quickly, I thought we might as well have something to laugh at:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sROi2yRMcRI/TJvsPGQ14EI/AAAAAAAAA2A/h7oQ5uF9CT8/s1600/UHOH.png

Texan_Bill
08-04-2011, 04:43 PM
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thunderkyss
08-04-2011, 04:52 PM
:gotexans:

Kimmy
08-04-2011, 04:52 PM
You never cross a line because you deem there is none.

Creator of your own universe, I suppose.

"There is no spoon"

obscure Matrix reference

;)

Marcus
08-04-2011, 05:11 PM
Anyways, McNair isn't a cheapskate and never has been. His spending habits are an almost direct reflection of whoever his general manager is. Not one person on this board has presented a shred of any evidence to the contrary so that is what I choose to believe.

Not one person on this board has presented a shred of any evidence to the contrary .....

And yet you have 99.97 of "classy posters" continuing this "McNair is cheap" shit up on the wall, trying to see if will stick.

And I'm "classless"? LOL.

There hasn't been any "class" on the MB in the last 3 years.

Mr. White
08-04-2011, 05:22 PM
Not one person on this board has presented a shred of any evidence to the contrary .....

And yet you have 99.97 of "classy posters" continuing this "McNair is cheap" shit up on the wall, trying to see if will stick.

And I'm "classless"? LOL.

There hasn't been any "class" on the MB in the last 3 years.

Has it already been 3 years since Richard Smith was fired?

GP
08-04-2011, 05:31 PM
What are you trying to say?

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t128/gpshafer_1976/ignored.jpg

Rage against the machine all you want, Marcus. Keystrokes are free.

EllisUnit
08-04-2011, 05:33 PM
Not one person on this board has presented a shred of any evidence to the contrary .....

And yet you have 99.97 of "classy posters" continuing this "McNair is cheap" shit up on the wall, trying to see if will stick.

And I'm "classless"? LOL.

There hasn't been any "class" on the MB in the last 3 years.

does this mean i pull out my "texans talk is awesome" thread again ;)

Texecutioner
08-04-2011, 06:23 PM
There hasn't been any "class" on the MB in the last 3 years.

Nice justification there Marcus. I guess you live by the phrase "if you can't beat them, join them." since you've insulted the "entire" board now and not just the ones you disagree with. Nice!

drs23
08-04-2011, 07:32 PM
I've never neg repped anybody.

I dont believe in neg repping somebody because they disagree with me. Unlike some on this MB,

Wishing death on another human being is crossing a line.

Garuntee you Bong is an Obama voter. And no I'm not the police of anything. But I do have my views and lets just say that other than the pot thing we disagree on just about everything.

Damn Tex, I'd have lost my :money: on that bet!

I'd have never thunk it. :)

Fred
08-04-2011, 08:27 PM
For some people the problem has to be the owner because it would be hard to watch the games of their crummy team if they admitted the players sucked or that the head coach was a blithering doofus.

Umm, not being sarcastic here, but have you had a proper look around these theads?

My apologies for posting something related to the thread in this thread, but McCoy has an excellent point. My point was that for these folks the reason the players suck and the reason the coach is a doofus is that McNair is cheap. And, you may ask, what is the proof that McNair is cheap? Why, is it self-evident! The players suck and the coach is a doofus!

OK, the rest of you carry on with your love fest.

DocBar
08-04-2011, 08:48 PM
Bob McNair is a cheapskate. He spent less on our franchise AND stadium that Jerry Jones spent on just his stadium. :roast:
I might neg rep myself for this post.

The Pencil Neck
08-04-2011, 09:19 PM
Bob McNair is a cheapskate. He spent less on our franchise AND stadium that Jerry Jones spent on just his stadium. :roast:
I might neg rep myself for this post.

Ah, don't worry about it. I'll neg rep ya for you.

DocBar
08-04-2011, 09:32 PM
Ah, don't worry about it. I'll neg rep ya for you.You bastage!!!! I'll cut your freakin boils off!!! I love Johnny Dangerously.:bender:

Your rep power is not strong, grasshopper!!!(I typed that with my best Chinese accent, but it ended up sounding Mexican...go figure)

steelbtexan
08-04-2011, 09:39 PM
Damn Tex, I'd have lost my :money: on that bet!

I'd have never thunk it. :)

I'm a mysterious man.

LOL

GuerillaBlack
08-04-2011, 09:45 PM
I've never neg repped anybody.

I dont believe in neg repping somebody because they disagree with me. Unlike some on this MB,

Wishing death on another human being is crossing a line.

Garuntee you Bong is an Obama voter. And no I'm not the police of anything. But I do have my views and lets just say that other than the pot thing we disagree on just about everything.

Being a vote of Obama has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

stingray
08-04-2011, 09:50 PM
Garuntee you Bong is an Obama voter. .

I'm sorry but for some reason I just see this quote coming from someone like this guy.

http://www.elearners.com/articles/redneck-university/image006.jpg

DocBar
08-04-2011, 09:53 PM
I've never neg repped anybody.

I dont believe in neg repping somebody because they disagree with me. Unlike some on this MB,

Wishing death on another human being is crossing a line.

Garuntee you Bong is an Obama voter. And no I'm not the police of anything. But I do have my views and lets just say that other than the pot thing we disagree on just about everything.Dude, I feel your pain. I went on a drunken rant on here about Herv, about a post he clearly warned everyone about, and I deservedly had the hell neg repped out of me. I would have about 2 bazillion rep right now if not for that post.
As far as wishing death on someone? I disagree. There are some people who deserve that. Just not over any so trivial as a MB.

Texan_Bill
08-04-2011, 09:54 PM
McNair isnt cheap.. He spent how much to buy a team?? How much to help build a stadium (although us taxpayers footed the majority of the bill). Did he not spend money to get people here that fanned out??? Did he not spend money to get people here that didnt work out *ahem* *cough Eric Moulds* *cough*...

Point being, "Uncle Bob" is not cheap, he's just made bad decisions where he has spent money.... But to say he's "cheap" is asinine!!!!

DocBar
08-04-2011, 09:58 PM
McNair isnt cheap.. He spent how much to buy a team?? How much to help build a stadium (although us taxpayers footed the majority of the bill). Did he not spend money to get people here that fanned out??? Did he not spend money to get people here that didnt work out *ahem* *cough Eric Moulds* *cough*...

Point being, "Uncle Bob" is not cheap, he's just made bad decisions where he has spent money.... But to say he's "cheap" is asinine!!!!TB, you missed the whole :sarcasm: of the post. For that, you get a :faildetector: and lose immunity for the rest of the week. You need to step it up or you'll be behind KJ on the depth chart. And KJ is actually off the charts in that are right now...BTW, that was more :sarcasm:

EDIT: I must spread rep. Can someone get Texan_Bill for me?

Playoffs
08-04-2011, 10:11 PM
EDIT: I must spread rep. Can someone get Texan_Bill for me?
Done.

michaelm
08-04-2011, 10:13 PM
EDIT: I must spread rep. Can someone get Texan_Bill for me?

Got your back.

michaelm
08-04-2011, 10:15 PM
EDIT: I must spread rep. Can someone get Texan_Bill for me?

Done.

Got your back.

That's appropriate, asleep.
My rep and yours add up to almost what Bill would've gotten from DocBar... lol

Texecutioner
08-05-2011, 12:18 AM
I'm sorry but for some reason I just see this quote coming from someone like this guy.

http://www.elearners.com/articles/redneck-university/image006.jpg

You think that SteelBtexan is a Titans fan?? Why?

DocBar
08-05-2011, 12:43 AM
You think that SteelBtexan is a Titans fan?? Why?That's profiling, and profiling is wrong!!!Tha guy could just as easily be a Panther's fan.

ObsiWan
08-05-2011, 12:58 AM
That's profiling, and profiling is wrong!!!Tha guy could just as easily be a Panther's fan.

...or a Steelers fan
...or a Cowboys fan.

Edit:
The data seems to indicate that we've alternated between big (big = overpaying) spending on the wrong guys and thereby getting burned because they didn't work out.
And pulling back from spending on the right guys (and there's no way to know if they would have worked out here). I mean what sane person wants to throw good money after bad (ok, Dan Synder).

It's like the stock mkt. If you bought Apple or Google low, you're a genius and probably doing quite well. OTOH, if you bought Enron or some of Bernie Madoff's stuff, well, you might get super shy about getting back into the mkt for a while. ...assuming you have any money left

Whether it's cheapness or ineptitude, who gives a rat's butt. Bottom line is we haven't ended up a winner.

We spent money this off season so our previous F/A "burn scars" have healed enough to cast our chips back in the F/A mkt.
And it could also be that there were F/As we could afford that can actually help. Some years the F/A mkt sucked either because what we needed was in short supply which made them hopelessly over mkt value (see Albert Haynesworth, Leigh Bodden)

Texecutioner
08-05-2011, 12:59 AM
That's profiling, and profiling is wrong!!!Tha guy could just as easily be a Panther's fan.

Eh, if it looks like a Titans fan, smiles like a Titans fan, and smells like a Titans fan, well you know the rest. Lol!

I could smell that guy through the computer. :lol: