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Grams
08-03-2011, 02:33 PM
As of Tuesday, seven teams were over the cap
Posted by Mike Florio on August 3, 2011, 2:26 PM EDT
We shared with you on Tuesday a list of the teams with more than $20 million in cap space. And we mentioned within the past hour or so that the Eagles still have some breathing room.

Now, itís time to look at the teams that had some work to do, as of Tuesday, to get under the spending limit.

Per a source with knowledge of the cap numbers, here are the seven teams that were in the red: Raiders ($17.3 million), Steelers ($11.5 million), Texans ($8.5 million), Vikings ($5.6 million), Lions ($5 million), Cowboys ($3.7 million), and Panthers ($939,000).

The highest-paid 51 players on each team must be under the cap by the start of the 2011 League Year. It was expected to start Thursday with the ratification of the new CBA. As Steelers safety Ryan Clark tells it, that may not happen.

gary
08-03-2011, 02:43 PM
Hopefully there will more contract reconstruction going on rather than cutting players.

badboy
08-03-2011, 02:44 PM
thanks for posting.

Dutchrudder
08-03-2011, 02:50 PM
Link to the article:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/03/as-of-tuesday-seven-teams-were-over-the-cap/

pirbroke
08-03-2011, 03:07 PM
I was hoping they would be under a little and use what is left over for a bonus for Foster, the most underpaid in the NFL. Remember the whole AJ underpaid contract that was redone a few years ago, Ha, Foster brings the term underpaid to a whole new level. If he has another huge year it looks like we will not have the money for him next year.

pirbroke
08-03-2011, 03:08 PM
No Eagles on that list, wow.

Grams
08-03-2011, 03:39 PM
No Eagles on that list, wow.

The Eagles were about 40 mill under to start with.

MojoMan
08-03-2011, 07:15 PM
Looks like the Texans are $8.5 million over the cap. Surely no one can accuse the Texans of being unwilling to open their checkbook this year.

Apparently Rick Smith intends to address this problem by trying to renegotiate some contracts. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Texans are $8.5 million over salary cap (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/7682050.html)

General manager Rick Smith said today the Texans will have to restructure some contracts to help them get under the $120.4 million salary cap by Thursday's 4 p.m. deadline.

The Texans are $8.5 million over the cap. Under league rules, the top 51 highest-paid players must be under the cap.

The Texans entered free agency with a salary cap of $118.4 million. They used their $3 million exemption that was part of the new collective bargaining agreement.

The Texans signed two free agents, cornerback Johnathan Joseph (five years, $48.75 million, 23.5 million and safety Daniel Manning (four years, $20 million, 9 guaranteed).

They also re-signed receiver Jacoby Jones (three years, $10.5 million, $3.5 million guaranteed), quarterback Matt Leinart (two years, $5.5 million, $3.75 million guaranteed) and offensive tackle Rashad Butler (two years, $3.8 million).

Smith and vice president of football operations Chris Olsen will be working overtime again to redo contracts.

XI CMURDER IX
08-03-2011, 07:30 PM
So quick question.... what happens if we are over the cap?

DocBar
08-03-2011, 07:38 PM
We could be fined, lose draft picks and have contracts voided, I believe. This makes me want to dive in and see who our FA's are next year and what our contractual obligations are, but that stuff drives me crazy. Too much legalese in it.

Rey
08-03-2011, 07:42 PM
Maybe they can trade or cut some people.

Doppelganger
08-03-2011, 07:43 PM
So quick question.... what happens if we are over the cap?

We shouldn't have a problem. Schaub already said he'd be willing to restructure his contract to bring in FAs. I am sure others will as well.

imatexan
08-03-2011, 07:44 PM
But but but Bob is sooo cheap and does not want to win and will never spend the money to put a good team on the field!

:whip:

The Pencil Neck
08-03-2011, 07:49 PM
But but but Bob is sooo cheap and does not want to win and will never spend the money to put a good team on the field!

:whip:

:deadhorse:

I fought the whole "Bob is cheap" stuff for years. But I don't think this is the time to start pulling it out. Let's have a few winning seasons and some SB appearances before we start arguing over his cheapness again. Let's just put the whole thing behind us and move on.

Doppelganger
08-03-2011, 07:50 PM
Oh and yall that attend the games: get ready for Uncle Bob to raise the price on beer, dogs, and souvenirs!

Gotta pay for those contracts somehow!

Surreal McCoy
08-03-2011, 07:55 PM
But but but Bob is sooo cheap and does not want to win and will never spend the money to put a good team on the field!

:whip:

Repped :secret:

DocBar
08-03-2011, 07:55 PM
We shouldn't have a problem. Schaub already said he'd be willing to restructure his contract to bring in FAs. I am sure others will as well. He will be looking for a HUGE payday if his stats the next 3 yrs look like they did the past 3 yrs. Restructuring and extending him would probably be a good thing. LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2808100)

dalemurphy
08-03-2011, 08:02 PM
We could be fined, lose draft picks and have contracts voided, I believe. This makes me want to dive in and see who our FA's are next year and what our contractual obligations are, but that stuff drives me crazy. Too much legalese in it.

Cut Mario. Problem solved!

DocBar
08-03-2011, 08:10 PM
Cut Mario. Problem solved!I wore my delete button out trying to respond to this. %&&%$## family friendly MB's!!!
:slapfight:

XI CMURDER IX
08-03-2011, 08:22 PM
We shouldn't have a problem. Schaub already said he'd be willing to restructure his contract to bring in FAs. I am sure others will as well.

I know it won't happen, but I was just wondering what would actually happen if it did.

dalemurphy
08-03-2011, 10:45 PM
I wore my delete button out trying to respond to this. %&&%$## family friendly MB's!!!
:slapfight:

Mario counts $16 million against the cap this year. Based on his 5 years in the NFL, we have a 40% chance that he will perform on par with the second tier of NFL outside pass rushers (Ray Edwards, Charles Johnson, Robert Mathis, Trent Cole). We have a 60% chance that he will have three or four really good games and we will wonder why he looks so disinterested the rest of the season. Entering his sixth season, he has yet to be an elite DE for more than an occasional game. So, I don't like the odds of him doing it this year. Perhaps, though, he is an Albert Haynesworth type player and he'll turn on the effort now that he's playing for another contract.

DocBar
08-03-2011, 11:18 PM
Mario counts $16 million against the cap this year. Based on his 5 years in the NFL, we have a 40% chance that he will perform on par with the second tier of NFL outside pass rushers (Ray Edwards, Charles Johnson, Robert Mathis, Trent Cole). We have a 60% chance that he will have three or four really good games and we will wonder why he looks so disinterested the rest of the season. Entering his sixth season, he has yet to be an elite DE for more than an occasional game. So, I don't like the odds of him doing it this year. Perhaps, though, he is an Albert Haynesworth type player and he'll turn on the effort now that he's playing for another contract.Sigh... you should become a Titans fan. Unless the Saints are willing to go all Ricky Williams over him, a normal person would say hell no. He's top 7 in sacks, top 2-3 at DE in sacks and very good against the run since he's been in the league. You don;t go traging that away for cap reasons unless MW has made it plain as day that he won;t restructure. For crying out loud, you make it seem like we have Bilichek and Parcells coaching and running the FO instead of Laurel and Hardy. From past experience, we'll announce MW can seek a trade then release him 3 days later. Woohoo. There's some cap savings in that. For whoever picks him up.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 11:20 PM
Mario counts $16 million against the cap this year. Based on his 5 years in the NFL, we have a 40% chance that he will perform on par with the second tier of NFL outside pass rushers (Ray Edwards, Charles Johnson, Robert Mathis, Trent Cole). We have a 60% chance that he will have three or four really good games and we will wonder why he looks so disinterested the rest of the season. Entering his sixth season, he has yet to be an elite DE for more than an occasional game. So, I don't like the odds of him doing it this year. Perhaps, though, he is an Albert Haynesworth type player and he'll turn on the effort now that he's playing for another contract.

Quit trying to parlay this angle into something that could feasibly happen because it won't.

There is absolutely no way that Mario Williams will be cut during contract restructures and I will gladly take pictures of me eating a hat if it does happen. You either cannot possibly believe this or you have a dealer with better stuff than I do (And I don't think that is the case at all).

EDIT: Also, trying to put percentages behind your wild ass predictions does not give them any credence whatsoever.

Rey
08-03-2011, 11:41 PM
Mario counts $16 million against the cap this year. Based on his 5 years in the NFL, we have a 40% chance that he will perform on par with the second tier of NFL outside pass rushers (Ray Edwards, Charles Johnson, Robert Mathis, Trent Cole). We have a 60% chance that he will have three or four really good games and we will wonder why he looks so disinterested the rest of the season. Entering his sixth season, he has yet to be an elite DE for more than an occasional game. So, I don't like the odds of him doing it this year. Perhaps, though, he is an Albert Haynesworth type player and he'll turn on the effort now that he's playing for another contract.

Glover was on the radio earlier today.

He said that the way they used to play in the secondary made it hard on the d line. He said qb's didn't have to hold onto the ball for long and often times had a good idea of where they wanted to go with the ball pre snap.

He blamed it on the way they were taught in the secondary. They used to consistently roll their coverage the same way.

In the new defense they will use the split safety look a lot more often and qb's will not know who is free and who is strong on any given play. He said that should make them hold onto the ball a bit longer and cause more confusion with their reads.

Mario may not make big plays every game, but no de does. Not exactly sure what you're saying with that.

DocBar
08-03-2011, 11:44 PM
Quit trying to parlay this angle into something that could feasibly happen because it won't.

There is absolutely no way that Mario Williams will be cut during contract restructures and I will gladly take pictures of me eating a hat if it does happen. You either cannot possibly believe this or you have a dealer with better stuff than I do (And I don't think that is the case at all).

EDIT: Also, trying to put percentages behind your wild ass predictions does not give them any credence whatsoever.You mean percentages like there's a 99% chance he's talking out his ..... LOL

ChampionTexan
08-04-2011, 12:55 AM
According to Peter King - even though the CBA should be ratified tomorrow, and the new league year will begin at 3:00 P.M. C.S.T. (meaning everyone will be able to practice after that), there will be another 24 hours for teams to get under the cap.

Peter King of Sports Illustrated adds that all teams received an email that the 2011 league year will begin no later than 4pm ET on Thursday. King adds that teams must be under the $120.4 million salary cap by 4pm ET on
Friday.
LINK (http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2011/08/nfl-nflpa-work-out-final-cba-details.html)

dalemurphy
08-04-2011, 07:57 AM
Quit trying to parlay this angle into something that could feasibly happen because it won't.

There is absolutely no way that Mario Williams will be cut during contract restructures and I will gladly take pictures of me eating a hat if it does happen. You either cannot possibly believe this or you have a dealer with better stuff than I do (And I don't think that is the case at all).

EDIT: Also, trying to put percentages behind your wild ass predictions does not give them any credence whatsoever.

40% = 2/5 very good seasons he had ('07, '08)
60% = 3/5 seasons where he had average to solid seasons but often seemed disinterested ('06, '09, '10)

I didn't make the numbers up. I said, "based on his 5 year career... this is what we can expect".

Also, I don't think he'll be cut. I was pointing out that he is the reason why we are up against the cap. The Texans could fix it by giving him another contract but I don't think they want him for another 6 years.

EllisUnit
08-04-2011, 09:44 AM
40% = 2/5 very good seasons he had ('07, '08)
60% = 3/5 seasons where he had average to solid seasons but often seemed disinterested ('06, '09, '10)

I didn't make the numbers up. I said, "based on his 5 year career... this is what we can expect".

Also, I don't think he'll be cut. I was pointing out that he is the reason why we are up against the cap. The Texans could fix it by giving him another contract but I don't think they want him for another 6 years.

Besides one season wonders like Babin, there arent a WHOLE LOT of consistent DEs out there, his size and speed make him deadly. And he is in his prime, we dont need to become like the Astros.

Playoffs
08-04-2011, 09:52 AM
So the Raiders are the highest paid team in the NFL...

Is that just cap/contract mismanagement?

Dutchrudder
08-04-2011, 10:02 AM
So the Raiders are the highest paid team in the NFL...

Is that just cap/contract mismanagement?

They gave Stanford Rout 30 mill over 3 years. Worst contract made this offseason.

disaacks3
08-04-2011, 10:32 AM
I was hoping they would be under a little and use what is left over for a bonus for Foster, the most underpaid in the NFL. Remember the whole AJ underpaid contract that was redone a few years ago, Ha, Foster brings the term underpaid to a whole new level. If he has another huge year it looks like we will not have the money for him next year. Not really a valid comparison for AJ vs. Foster. AJ was getting paid 'decent' $$ for a 1st Rd. pick, but just had a bad agent. Foster making at/near the league minimum as an UDFA.

Looks like the Texans are $8.5 million over the cap. Surely no one can accuse the Texans of being unwilling to open their checkbook this year.
Apparently Rick Smith intends to address this problem by trying to renegotiate some contracts. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Nope, Bob didn't go cheap this year, that's for sure. For the record though, does anyone else ever remember the Texans having to re-structure contracts to get under the cap BEFORE this year?

Playoffs
08-04-2011, 10:33 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
As of this morning, there are five teams over the salary cap: OAK $15.25 mil; PITT $8.5m; DET $7.8m; DALLAS $6.7m: HOUSTON $3.25m.

Vinnie
08-04-2011, 10:52 AM
All this cap talk has me even happier we picked up Joseph over Aso.

Texas T
08-04-2011, 10:55 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
As of this morning, there are five teams over the salary cap: OAK $15.25 mil; PITT $8.5m; DET $7.8m; DALLAS $6.7m: HOUSTON $3.25m.

I'm now wondering who they already worked with. 3.25 million seems like an easier # to work with today.

Malloy
08-04-2011, 11:09 AM
I'm now wondering who they already worked with. 3.25 million seems like an easier # to work with today.

I'm curious as to who restructured.

eriadoc
08-04-2011, 11:16 AM
I was pointing out that he is the reason why we are up against the cap.

LOL, yeah. Just accept that you're a freakin' off the deep end lunatic about this issue and stop trying to convince the rest of us. Believe what you want, but we ain't buying it.

gary
08-04-2011, 11:21 AM
They are already down to 3.25 million without cutting anyone. Great.

dalemurphy
08-04-2011, 11:26 AM
LOL, yeah. Just accept that you're a freakin' off the deep end lunatic about this issue and stop trying to convince the rest of us. Believe what you want, but we ain't buying it.

Cap = $120 million
Mario's cap # = $16 million
next 50 players = $110 million

What is to convince?

DocBar
08-04-2011, 11:30 AM
Cap = $120 million
Mario's cap # = $16 million
next 50 players = $110 million

What is to convince?That out of the next 50 players, maybe 4 are anywhere near on a par with MW. This kind of stuff is OK for the Pats to do because they have an absolute genuis for a HC. We don't have that luxury. The Steelers do it on a routine basis also, but they have the depth to do that. Our team depth wouldn't qualify as one of those blue kiddie pools at Wal-Mart.

GP
08-04-2011, 11:32 AM
In the new defense they will use the split safety look a lot more often and qb's will not know who is free and who is strong on any given play. He said that should make them hold onto the ball a bit longer and cause more confusion with their reads.

Wow, in another thread I had said the same thing (but was wondering if I was right or wrong).

I had said that in the 3-4 our safeties will mix it up and the SS will sometimes play a FS role and vice versa...which complicates pre-snap calls by the QB and delays a QB during the play from being able to know which Safety is doing a certain role on that play.

All in all, offenses won't be able to dial up a play and know with certainty that the WR will be open on that play before the ball's even snapped.

GP
08-04-2011, 11:35 AM
Nope, Bob didn't go cheap this year, that's for sure. For the record though, does anyone else ever remember the Texans having to re-structure contracts to get under the cap BEFORE this year?

Well, we did have someone saying that we aren't spending any more this year than we had in the past....

And my reply was "Gee, I was thinking this was the first time in team history that we're OVER the cap." Then again, the same poster thinks Steve Slaton ran better in 2010 than he did in 2008 (his one and only "good" year here).

Go figure.

Facts is facts: McNair grew a pair this offseason. The first domino to fall was the hiring of a legitimate d-coord. I'm still not happy with who we have as a secondary coach though--Not thrilled with it. But I am hoping Wade's d-coord skills overshadow it.

dalemurphy
08-04-2011, 11:37 AM
That out of the next 50 players, maybe 4 are anywhere near on a par with MW. This kind of stuff is OK for the Pats to do because they have an absolute genuis for a HC. We don't have that luxury. The Steelers do it on a routine basis also, but they have the depth to do that. Our team depth wouldn't qualify as one of those blue kiddie pools at Wal-Mart.

You are correct. There are only a handful of players as good as or better than Mario on the Texans. However, none of them cost nearly as much under the cap as Mario does. Why? Well, because the other high end players (Andre, Schaub, Demeco, Joseph) are players the Texans have confidence in for the next 5 years. The Texans can't restructure and extend Mario because, after 5 years, they still don't know if he is reliable or not. They know AJ is a gamer. Schaub has proven he can stay healthy, etc... But, can Mario stay healthy? does he really love football? Nobody knows.

gary
08-04-2011, 11:38 AM
I don't think there will be any cuts I think Smith is going to figure things out. You don't lose a player like Mario going into a season with a brand new defense and so much on the line for the current staff.

Errant Hothy
08-04-2011, 11:48 AM
John McClain
The Texans have redone the contracts of Andre Johnson, DeMeco Ryans and Antonio Smith to get under the salary cap. They were $8.5M over.

There we go.

The Pencil Neck
08-04-2011, 11:48 AM
The Texans have redone the contracts of Andre Johnson, DeMeco Ryans and Antonio Smith to get under the salary cap. They were $8.5M over.
-- McClain.

gary
08-04-2011, 12:00 PM
So are they officially under the cap now?

badboy
08-04-2011, 12:01 PM
Well if we are now only $3.25m over and NFl allows any team to use an extra $3m in cash benefits, we are in great shape.

DocBar
08-04-2011, 12:02 PM
You are correct. There are only a handful of players as good as or better than Mario on the Texans. However, none of them cost nearly as much under the cap as Mario does. Why? Well, because the other high end players (Andre, Schaub, Demeco, Joseph) are players the Texans have confidence in for the next 5 years. The Texans can't restructure and extend Mario because, after 5 years, they still don't know if he is reliable or not. They know AJ is a gamer. Schaub has proven he can stay healthy, etc... But, can Mario stay healthy? does he really love football? Nobody knows.The only doubt the Texans should have is the switch to OLB. That experiment will playout this season. Mow if he is a bomb instead of da bomb, you can start looking at trades for him. He would be insanely expensive for a 3-4 DE and probably not nearly as productive. I guess what I'm saying is trading MW should be the last resort, not the first option.

Errant Hothy
08-04-2011, 12:02 PM
So are they officially under the cap now?

According to McClain the restructuring brought them under.

gary
08-04-2011, 12:04 PM
According to McClain the restructuring brought them under.Thanks and great news right there.

gary
08-04-2011, 12:08 PM
I am still seeing the Texans as being 3.3 over.

beerlover
08-04-2011, 12:09 PM
So are they officially under the cap now?

locked, loaded & ready for Colts, Dolphins, Saints, Steelers, Raiders, Ravens, Titans, Jaguars, Browns, Buccaneers, Falcons, Bengals, Panthers, maybe even some extra game like Patriots, Jets & Packers :)

ChampionTexan
08-04-2011, 12:16 PM
I am still seeing the Texans as being 3.3 over.

Where are you seeing this?

gary
08-04-2011, 12:38 PM
Where are you seeing this?ESPN but that might not be updated or McClain maybe wrong.

DocBar
08-04-2011, 12:40 PM
I am still seeing the Texans as being 3.3 over.Me too on ESPN.

The Pencil Neck
08-04-2011, 12:43 PM
ESPN but that might not be updated or McClain maybe wrong.

I don't trust that to be up-to-date.

GhostRaider2007
08-04-2011, 12:45 PM
ESPN but that might not be updated or McClain maybe wrong.

I am going to go with McClain on this one.

If they were restructuring any more contracts we would have seen other players aside from Demeco, Andre, and Antonio being held out from this mornings practice.

pissknocker
08-04-2011, 12:49 PM
Thats what ch 13 just reported.

Clip they ran showed foster cushing demeco vickers smith johnson all on the sideline


Also showed a clip of slaton fumbling the ball.

eriadoc
08-04-2011, 12:57 PM
Thats what ch 13 just reported.

Clip they ran showed foster cushing demeco vickers smith johnson all on the sideline


Also showed a clip of slaton fumbling the ball.

And there's our first sign of normalcy for the season.

michaelm
08-05-2011, 10:08 AM
Good News:


By restructuring the contracts of Andre Johnson, DeMeco Ryans and Antonio Smith, the Texans are $2.6 million under the salary cap.

The Pencil Neck
08-05-2011, 10:09 AM
Good News:

I just put this in another thread. :)

michaelm
08-05-2011, 10:11 AM
I just put this in another thread. :)


I guess that means you keep your Twitter feed running on your desktop like me, probably while you "ehem..." work?

The Pencil Neck
08-05-2011, 10:12 AM
I guess that means you keep your Twitter feed running on your desktop like me, probably while you "ehem..." work?

Just started doing it a few days ago when someone (GP?) mentioned TweetDeck. :)

I'm working.

Really.

Really.

Hard.

michaelm
08-05-2011, 10:15 AM
Just started doing it a few days ago when someone (GP?) mentioned TweetDeck. :)

I'm working.

Really.

Really.

Hard.


Ahh... we've come full circle. That was me pimping Tweet Deck in the Training Camp thread.

Errant Hothy
08-05-2011, 10:17 AM
Good News:

2.6 million is stash money in case somebody gets hurt. We're done signing anybody, new players will have to come by trade.

gary
08-05-2011, 12:27 PM
2.6 million is stash money in case somebody gets hurt. We're done signing anybody, new players will have to come by trade.Use that money to sign Malcom Floyd. I wish.

thunderkyss
08-05-2011, 12:30 PM
The Eagles were about 40 mill under to start with.

The Cheap Bastids

thunderkyss
08-05-2011, 12:40 PM
Based on his 5 years in the NFL, we have a 40% chance that he will perform on par with the second tier of NFL outside pass rushers (Ray Edwards, Charles Johnson, Robert Mathis, Trent Cole).

He's top 7 in sacks, top 2-3 at DE in sacks and very good against the run since he's been in the league.

Year in & year out. Don't forget that. The difference between Mario & Ray Edwards is that Ray Edwards never had double digit sacks.

Mario has in two of his 6 years & was on pace to do it again in 2010, & that's on the Texans' historically poor defense. Had he been on the Vikings, with a real pass defense, his sacks would have been much higher.

thunderkyss
08-05-2011, 12:46 PM
The only doubt the Texans should have is the switch to OLB. That experiment will playout this season. Mow if he is a bomb instead of da bomb, you can start looking at trades for him. He would be insanely expensive for a 3-4 DE and probably not nearly as productive. I guess what I'm saying is trading MW should be the last resort, not the first option.

I believe Mario is a FA after this season. If we're going to do a contract, it should be some time before the year is over.

We won't be able to trade him otherwise.

Trading him, or cutting him now will only free up what he is due in salary this year, any "credit" from his bonus or guaranteed money that hasn't been accounted for will go against this years cap.

DocBar
08-05-2011, 12:50 PM
I believe Mario is a FA after this season. If we're going to do a contract, it should be some time before the year is over.

We won't be able to trade him otherwise.

Trading him, or cutting him now will only free up what he is due in salary this year, any "credit" from his bonus or guaranteed money that hasn't been accounted for will go against this years cap.Yeah, I've had some time to think about that and realized I screwed the pooch with that argument. :toropalm:

Ole Miss Texan
08-05-2011, 12:56 PM
If after the season Wade decides he does not want Mario, they should franchise him and seek a trade. He'll be free to negotiate a L/T contract with the new team. Letting him walk would not be good.

gary
08-05-2011, 01:05 PM
If Mario starts out really well this season then you lock him up right then and there.

badboy
08-05-2011, 01:13 PM
Good News:That + the $3m cash benefit (if not used already) is pretty close to Asante Samuel's deal this year. Just saying..

nytexan
08-05-2011, 01:13 PM
If after the season Wade decides he does not want Mario, they should franchise him and seek a trade. He'll be free to negotiate a L/T contract with the new team. Letting him walk would not be good.

Unless Mario has a serious injury or just a horrendous year (doubtful), if you think Mario is not going to get a monster contract from either the Texans or someone else after the Charles Johnson contract with Carolina and the Julius Peppers contract with da Bears you are delusional.

He'll end up being the #1 free agent next year and the only way to get him on the relative cheap will be to franchise him, which only gets the Texans 1 extra year to come to an agreement. If you don't think the constant criticism of this guy since day 1 of the draft isn't a burr in his butt and he's not going for the MONEY, you're delusional also. There'll be several teams making room for his contract next year if the Texans don't pony up. Sorry haters but this guy isn't nearly as bad as you make him out to be and I don't mean you Ol Miss, this guys stats would look a lot better than they already do with any type of secondary play over the past few years.

dalemurphy
08-05-2011, 01:52 PM
Year in & year out. Don't forget that. The difference between Mario & Ray Edwards is that Ray Edwards never had double digit sacks.

Mario has in two of his 6 years & was on pace to do it again in 2010, & that's on the Texans' historically poor defense. Had he been on the Vikings, with a real pass defense, his sacks would have been much higher.

Edwards and Mario are about identical players the past two years. You are right! Mario played very good football in 2007 and 2008. But, it's 2011 now. I'm hoping, but not expecting, that Mario has another very good to great season.... It's been awhile and he sure is being paid enough to expect it.

badboy
08-05-2011, 01:55 PM
If Mario starts out really well this season then you lock him up right then and there.Barwin gets 3 sacks and Reed has 4 by game 8. Mario has 6, do you keep him if there is a very good offer?

Rey
08-05-2011, 02:01 PM
Barwin gets 3 sacks and Reed has 4 by game 8. Mario has 6, do you keep him if there is a very good offer?

You'd have to define very good offer.

But generally speaking I would keep him because there is more than just sacks. I see Mario as a better run defender than both of those guys.

Plus I like the fact that if Mario or barwin get hurt or need a break reed is there to fill in.

I'm in no hurry to make reed and barwin the starters with out much real depth behind them.