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DX-TEX
09-06-2011, 11:11 AM
All you have to do is prove yourself first to Lombardi to win his approval, he bases his opinion on facts, for the most part. Texans have let down the media as well as its fans for several years so now its put up or shut-up, nothing more nothing less. :barman:



While I agree with your comments, picking the Titans to win the division over the Texans or Jags is just trolling to its full effect. He is picking a team that has a bad defense, picked up a FA QB who has a recent history of injuries, a backup QB who is a rookie, a RB who has had ZERO reps in training camp, did almost nothing in FA to address these mentioned issues and a rookie head coach.

Over two teams that addressed their issues from last year, basically same coaching staffs, have established QB's.....etc...

Showtime100
09-06-2011, 11:16 AM
All you have to do is prove yourself first to Lombardi to win his approval, he bases his opinion on facts, for the most part. Texans have let down the media as well as its fans for several years so now its put up or shut-up, nothing more nothing less. :barman:

Just looking at the facts is something so easy a caveman could do it. A little insight and thinking for himself would shed a little light in his facts.

In the end, however, I agree with you. The Texans just need to DO IT! So they are oh-fer in the "most important game in franchise history."

beerlover
09-06-2011, 11:30 AM
Just looking at the facts is something so easy a caveman could do it. A little insight and thinking for himself would shed a little light in his facts.

In the end, however, I agree with you. The Texans just need to DO IT! So they are oh-fer in the "most important game in franchise history."

If I can stop crying in my beer, you can too :toast2: now lets go win this division :evil:

infantrycak
09-06-2011, 11:33 AM
All you have to do is prove yourself first to Lombardi to win his approval, he bases his opinion on facts, for the most part. Texans have let down the media as well as its fans for several years so now its put up or shut-up, nothing more nothing less. :barman:

This little mantra of the Texans haven't proven anything gets a little worn out. Teams change. What they did 5 years ago is meaningless. Heck last year is only of minor importance as most team's records will change by 3 or more games. Over the last two years the Titans have won less than the Texans. Over the last three years the Jags have won less than the Texans Basically all very close records. So the question is what has changed for each team? How did the Titans improve this off-season?

Showtime100
09-06-2011, 11:37 AM
If I can stop crying in my beer, you can too :toast2: now lets go win this division :evil:

I'm very excited. Like many here, we've seen this optimism before and don't want to be taken for a fool again, but this IS different IMO. The division isn't what it has been in the past, the Manning situation, the new defense. There are a few chips that have fallen in our favor both internally and concerning the league.

Cheers bro, and hang on. This could get fun. :toast2:

JamesBill
09-06-2011, 11:45 AM
All you have to do is prove yourself first to Lombardi to win his approval, he bases his opinion on facts, for the most part. Texans have let down the media as well as its fans for several years so now its put up or shut-up, nothing more nothing less. :barman:

The facts he used were nonsensical.

He put down the Texans by saying they were 6-10 last year and that winning rushing titles does nothing because the game has changed and passing is more important.

Titans also went 6-10, Titans only have the run game for offense. Then he touted the titans TE's and O-Line. Our TE's and O-Line are better.

ChampionTexan
09-06-2011, 11:45 AM
All you have to do is prove yourself first to Lombardi to win his approval, he bases his opinion on facts, for the most part. Texans have let down the media as well as its fans for several years so now its put up or shut-up, nothing more nothing less. :barman:

So exactly how does this philosophy result in him picking a team with a new HC, new coordinators on both sides of the ball, a new starting QB, and a slightly worse record than the Texans over the last two years to win the division?

thunderkyss
09-06-2011, 12:28 PM
it's funny he says we are soft because of ZBS, yet picked Washington to win NFC East. They have a worse running back, offensive line, receiving core, and QB than us and run the exact same offense. He is a hack who is mad we didn't give him a job.

I watched them Redskins play this preseason. & I know it's preseason, but it looks like Shanahan has his boys ready to play. I'm not going to say they ran the offense like a well tuned machine or anything, but it's obvious (to me anyway) that everyone's bought into the system.

I hadn't watched them last season, so I don't know how far they've come, but I think many people are going to be surprised at what that offense will do this year (especially with Grossman pulling the trigger).

beerlover
09-06-2011, 12:39 PM
I'm not defending his pick of the Titans by any means, its his opinion. Maybe he did it to make waves or stand-out among his peers, who knows?

What I got from him was he thought the Titans under Fisher had gotten too complacent & comfortable with status quo. Now under Mike Munchack, who if I remember correctly was Kubiaks first choice to be interviewed for the vacant OC position when little Shanney went to join Dad in Washington, however Titans refused permission. But when the Titans asked Texans for permission to talk with Bruce Matthews not only did they grant permission, Bruce is now their offensive line coach. To his point, I agree it does make their offensive line better & tougher than in previous seasons where if you check facts, Titans have been one of the better units in all the NFL. 2010 allowed only 27 sacks, tied for sixth-fewest while Johnson despite missing games still finished fourth in the NFL with 1,364 rushing yards. In 2009 the Titans had second best rushing attack (162.0 yards per game) and allowed just 16 sacks, the second fewest in the NFL.

I wouldn't dismiss Matt Hasselbeck so easily either, in 2005, Hasselbeck led the Seahawks to the Super Bowl for the first time (only time) in franchise history. He led the NFC and set a career-best with a 98.2 passer rating and was named the starter for the NFC Pro Bowl squad. The real secret to his & the Seahawk success however was tied to that offensive line which was outstanding with all-pros LT Walter Jones & LG Steve Hutchinson. Once Jones got nicked up & Minnesota stole Steve in that infamous poison pill signing the party was over not only for Matt but Seahawks as well.

This all is built from winning the line of scrimmage battles. Sure I would like to see him heap more credit Wade Phillips way & the Texans draft along with free agency to shore up the defensive side of the ball. At this point its all just conjecture anyway, we just have to wait for the results to see them battle tested, first team vs first team, an entire 60 minutes.

Vinny
09-06-2011, 01:05 PM
Houston, Houston, houston....you don't need Lombardi's approval. You're Good Enough, You're Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like You.

Who cares what some guy thinks?

Trap_Star
09-06-2011, 01:21 PM
Houston, Houston, houston....you don't need Lombardi's approval. You're Good Enough, You're Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like You.

Who cares what some guy thinks?

i actually find it enjoyable how easily he can manage to get a rise out of this city.


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The Pencil Neck
09-06-2011, 01:30 PM
The guy's opinion is that the Titans will win the AFC South.

OK.

I don't see what the problem is beyond that. It's his opinion. It's his right to have it.

Our team's job is to shove it in his face.

Every year all these guys make predictions like this and almost all of them are wrong. They really don't know any more about who's going to win anything than I do. His opinion has as much weight as my cat's opinion.

I don't see what the big deal is.

Double Barrel
09-06-2011, 02:33 PM
5-7 four years in a row, last year after starting 4-2. One winning season in a decade.

It's a no-brainer why media talking heads make these points sometimes. I don't have to like or agree with their perspectives, but, I can certainly understand why they feel the way that they do.

Respect is earned in the NFL. And until the Texans earn that respect, expect the media déjà vu.

infantrycak
09-06-2011, 02:48 PM
5-7 four years in a row, last year after starting 4-2. One winning season in a decade.

It's a no-brainer why media talking heads make these points sometimes. I don't have to like or agree with their perspectives, but, I can certainly understand why they feel the way that they do.

Respect is earned in the NFL. And until the Texans earn that respect, expect the media déjà vu.

See I just don't buy the last two sentences except as a fan truism. The Bills have sucked since Philips left there. The current team doesn't deserve any respect from his teams or the Bills team that went to four straight SB's. They are completely different animals.

It appears none of the other AFC Sourth teams will even be starting the same QB as last year except the Texans. This current roster has to earn respect, not some team history. Lombardi made two stupid comments - (1) if it hasn't happened yet, I won't predict it happening in the future (good thing Edison didn't believe that) and (2) the Titans are the most complete team in the division.

BigBull17
09-06-2011, 03:00 PM
5-7 four years in a row, last year after starting 4-2. One winning season in a decade.

It's a no-brainer why media talking heads make these points sometimes. I don't have to like or agree with their perspectives, but, I can certainly understand why they feel the way that they do.

Respect is earned in the NFL. And until the Texans earn that respect, expect the media déjà vu.

Yeah, I can understand the argument except for the fact that guys on this message board may get workouts at QB inside this division.

b0ng
09-06-2011, 03:13 PM
All you have to do is prove yourself first to Lombardi to win his approval, he bases his opinion on facts, for the most part. Texans have let down the media as well as its fans for several years so now its put up or shut-up, nothing more nothing less. :barman:

The most wrong opinion

Double Barrel
09-06-2011, 04:09 PM
See I just don't buy the last two sentences except as a fan truism. The Bills have sucked since Philips left there. The current team doesn't deserve any respect from his teams or the Bills team that went to four straight SB's. They are completely different animals.

It appears none of the other AFC Sourth teams will even be starting the same QB as last year except the Texans. This current roster has to earn respect, not some team history. Lombardi made two stupid comments - (1) if it hasn't happened yet, I won't predict it happening in the future (good thing Edison didn't believe that) and (2) the Titans are the most complete team in the division.

yeah, but this same thread seems to crop up every season. Take Lombardi's name out and add some other media hack. But the underlying point is the same: Texans fans upset because of national media perception.

The media respects the Steelers, Patriots, Colts. And it is simply because they are consistently winning franchises. They earned that respect through wins.

Texans fans upset from lack of respect is just another sign of inferiority complex, IMHO. Every year it seems like our team is picked as a Cinderella story, and every year it's the same abysmal results.

"Fan truism" or not doesn't necessarily negate it's simple premise. The Texans - as a franchise and as a Kubiak team of the past few of years - have earned nothing.

BTW, I'm not defending Lombardi. I have never given him much thought. Just another media hack going through the motions as far as I'm concerned.

But honestly, I respect results, not potential. This roster is only as good as the results it posts on the scoreboard at the end of the day. If they go 6-10, the "roster respect" is as worthless as the reserve seating for a Texans playoff game.

drs23
09-06-2011, 04:10 PM
The guy's opinion is that the Titans will win the AFC South.

OK.

I don't see what the problem is beyond that. It's his opinion. It's his right to have it.

Our team's job is to shove it in his face.

Every year all these guys make predictions like this and almost all of them are wrong. They really don't know any more about who's going to win anything than I do. His opinion has as much weight as my cat's opinion.
I don't see what the big deal is.

SO TPN, where's the kitty got us finishing? :kitten:

fiasco west
09-06-2011, 04:36 PM
I think the media wants to like the Texans. Houston is the biggest market in the AFC South and it's not even close. The reason they are always talking about NY teams, Cowboys, Steelers, etc because those teams have a ton of fans. They are always picking us to be the underdog darling or the darkhorse I really think they want to like this team.

But I have no problem with a guy not picking the Texans...but give a better reason than "They haven't done it before.." say that you don't think Schaub is a winner or Kubiak. Say it's going to take some time to get the 3-4 implemented. Say that Foster's hammy might slow the team down. Give actual analysis.

steelbtexan
09-06-2011, 05:20 PM
I think the media wants to like the Texans. Houston is the biggest market in the AFC South and it's not even close. The reason they are always talking about NY teams, Cowboys, Steelers, etc because those teams have a ton of fans. They are always picking us to be the underdog darling or the darkhorse I really think they want to like this team.

But I have no problem with a guy not picking the Texans...but give a better reason than "They haven't done it before.." say that you don't think Schaub is a winner or Kubiak. Say it's going to take some time to get the 3-4 implemented. Say that Foster's hammy might slow the team down. Give actual analysis.

What Lombardi's saying is he has no faith in Gary leading the Texans to the playoffs. (It's on me. LOL)


I happen to disagree with Lombardi this yr. Wade will help mask most of Garys flaws. That and the fact that it appears that the Texans will be facing Collins/McCown/Hasselbeck 4/6 games this yr.

Lucky
09-06-2011, 06:44 PM
it's funny he says we are soft because of ZBS, yet picked Washington to win NFC East.
:rofl: How are they going to avoid the cellar?

The Texans should win the AFC South. Absolutely. They're being handed the title on a silver platter. Have they ever actually accomplished anything? Nope. Are they capable of choking this season away? Yep. But if you're being honest about which team is in the best position to win the division, it has to be the Texans.

The Pencil Neck
09-06-2011, 06:53 PM
SO TPN, where's the kitty got us finishing? :kitten:

She's got us going 0-16 until further notice.

She prefers to be pleasantly surprised and she can't do that if her hopes are up.

Texan_Bill
09-06-2011, 07:25 PM
i actually find it enjoyable how easily he can manage to get a rise out of this city.


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The only thing "soft" is that Viagra or Cialis is not working for him.

TheCD
12-16-2011, 02:32 PM
"They think they're being physical, when in reality they can't get physical because they never practice physical."


Yeah, all those non contact practices really made us soft, didn't they, Lombardi.


By the way, you also called the Titans the most complete team in the division and predicted them to win it. An admission that you are wrong would be nice, but knowing you, you're just going to say 'I knew all along that the Texans would pull it off.'

Soft my ass.

PHAROAH
12-16-2011, 02:38 PM
Well I bet Pittsburgh, Atlanta & Cincinnati wouldn't say that we are not physical now with a 10-3 record!!!!!

Double Barrel
12-16-2011, 02:44 PM
So glad all this has completely changed after 13 games!!! ALL HAIL WADE!!! :texflag:

*jumping on the Lombardi-is-a-douche bandwagon*