PDA

View Full Version : OLB Mario Williams, number change?


wildroot
08-01-2011, 05:25 PM
Player Numbers by Position
(NFL Rule 5, Section 1, Article 4)

"All players must wear numerals on their jerseys in accordance with Rule 5, Section 3, Article 3c (see NOTE 1), and such numerals must be by playing position as follows: quarterbacks, punters, and placekickers, 1-19 (and 10-19 for wide receivers if 80-89 are all otherwise assigned); running backs and defensive backs, 20-49; centers, 50-59 (60-79 if 50-59 unavailable); offensive guards and tackles, 60-79; wide receivers and tight ends, 80-89; defensive lineman, 60-79 (90-99 if 60-79 unavailable); and linebackers 50-59 (90-99 if 50-59 unavailable)."

"If a player changes his position during his playing career in the NFL and such change moves him out of a category specified above, he must be issued an appropriate new jersey number."

So now that we have Mario listed as OLB does this mean he has to change his number?

jaayteetx
08-01-2011, 05:25 PM
was wondering that myself

b0ng
08-01-2011, 05:26 PM
Player Numbers by Position
(NFL Rule 5, Section 1, Article 4)

"All players must wear numerals on their jerseys in accordance with Rule 5, Section 3, Article 3c (see NOTE 1), and such numerals must be by playing position as follows: quarterbacks, punters, and placekickers, 1-19 (and 10-19 for wide receivers if 80-89 are all otherwise assigned); running backs and defensive backs, 20-49; centers, 50-59 (60-79 if 50-59 unavailable); offensive guards and tackles, 60-79; wide receivers and tight ends, 80-89; defensive lineman, 60-79 (90-99 if 60-79 unavailable); and linebackers 50-59 (90-99 if 50-59 unavailable)."

"If a player changes his position during his playing career in the NFL and such change moves him out of a category specified above, he must be issued an appropriate new jersey number."

So now that we have Mario listed as OLB does this mean he has to change his number?

Pretty sure Ware is 94 on the Cowboys.

Ryan
08-01-2011, 05:26 PM
Player Numbers by Position
(NFL Rule 5, Section 1, Article 4)

"All players must wear numerals on their jerseys in accordance with Rule 5, Section 3, Article 3c (see NOTE 1), and such numerals must be by playing position as follows: quarterbacks, punters, and placekickers, 1-19 (and 10-19 for wide receivers if 80-89 are all otherwise assigned); running backs and defensive backs, 20-49; centers, 50-59 (60-79 if 50-59 unavailable); offensive guards and tackles, 60-79; wide receivers and tight ends, 80-89; defensive lineman, 60-79 (90-99 if 60-79 unavailable); and linebackers 50-59 (90-99 if 50-59 unavailable)."

"If a player changes his position during his playing career in the NFL and such change moves him out of a category specified above, he must be issued an appropriate new jersey number."

So now that we have Mario listed as OLB does this mean he has to change his number?



D-Ware wears 94 and he's a listed linebacker. Shouldn't be necessary.

ArlingtonTexan
08-01-2011, 05:27 PM
90 is an acceptable number for a LBer

TEXANRED
08-01-2011, 05:29 PM
90 is an acceptable number for a LBer

Wasn't Loyd 95 and Kirland 99?

Ole Miss Texan
08-01-2011, 05:30 PM
Player Numbers by Position
(NFL Rule 5, Section 1, Article 4)

"All players must wear numerals on their jerseys in accordance with Rule 5, Section 3, Article 3c (see NOTE 1), and such numerals must be by playing position as follows: quarterbacks, punters, and placekickers, 1-19 (and 10-19 for wide receivers if 80-89 are all otherwise assigned); running backs and defensive backs, 20-49; centers, 50-59 (60-79 if 50-59 unavailable); offensive guards and tackles, 60-79; wide receivers and tight ends, 80-89; defensive lineman, 60-79 (90-99 if 60-79 unavailable); and linebackers 50-59 (90-99 if 50-59 unavailable)."

"If a player changes his position during his playing career in the NFL and such change moves him out of a category specified above, he must be issued an appropriate new jersey number."

So now that we have Mario listed as OLB does this mean he has to change his number?

:whew

False Start
08-01-2011, 05:31 PM
Plenty of LBs in the NFL sport a 90s number.

wildroot
08-01-2011, 05:33 PM
The rule says "linebackers 50-59 (90-99 if 50-59 unavailable)"

Undoubtably 50-59 won't be taken when the dust settles once the roster is announced, as a matter of fact there are a few 50s available now.

How do we get around this rule, or do we just hope he's not called out on it?

b0ng
08-01-2011, 05:34 PM
The rule says "linebackers 50-59 (90-99 if 50-59 unavailable)"

Undoubtably 50-59 won't be taken when the dust settles once the roster is announced, as a matter of fact there are a few 50s available now.

How do we get around this rule, or do we just hope he's not called out on it?

He's allowed to wear it. It's not something that the NFL is going to force him to change.

thunderkyss
08-01-2011, 05:35 PM
Player Numbers by Position
(NFL Rule 5, Section 1, Article 4)

defensive lineman, 60-79 (90-99 if 60-79 unavailable); and linebackers 50-59 (90-99 if 50-59 unavailable)."


What am I missing here?

wildroot
08-01-2011, 05:38 PM
What am I missing here?

In our case there are numbers within 50-59 that ARE avavilable.

The Pencil Neck
08-01-2011, 05:42 PM
He came in as a DE and got a 90 number.

He'll still be playing DE along with linebacker and 90 is an allowable number for an LB.

He should be able to keep the 90.

wildroot
08-01-2011, 05:49 PM
He's listed as a OLB.

JB
08-01-2011, 05:50 PM
He's listed as a OLB.

So if it becomes an issue, they list him as DE/OLB

XI CMURDER IX
08-01-2011, 05:52 PM
I think you can ask for special permission from the commissioner to keep a number if you are switching positions.

False Start
08-01-2011, 05:52 PM
Like Casey is 86, so I guess hes listed as a TE/FB.

ObsiWan
08-01-2011, 05:58 PM
So if it becomes an issue, they list him as DE/OLB
here's your loophole

wildroot
08-01-2011, 05:59 PM
I think you can ask for special permission from the commissioner to keep a number if you are switching positions.

"During the preseason period when rosters are larger, the League will allow duplication and other temporary deviations from the numbering scheme specified above, but the rule must be adhered to for all players during the regular season and postseason. Clubs must make numbers available to adhere to the rule, even if it requires putting back into circulation a number that has been retired or withheld for other reasons. See 7-2-3 for reporting change of position."

wildroot
08-01-2011, 06:03 PM
here's your loophole

Guess that'll have to work or there will be a slew of upset fans with #90 jerseys.

ArlingtonTexan
08-01-2011, 06:04 PM
"During the preseason period when rosters are larger, the League will allow duplication and other temporary deviations from the numbering scheme specified above, but the rule must be adhered to for all players during the regular season and postseason. Clubs must make numbers available to adhere to the rule, even if it requires putting back into circulation a number that has been retired or withheld for other reasons. See 7-2-3 for reporting change of position."

You are reading this a lot more legalistic than the NFL enforces it. You have asked; people have given plenty of examples/reasons why his number won't change, but keeping quoting law. Do you want to it change or just being obtuse?

Double Barrel
08-01-2011, 06:14 PM
I guess I haven't been paying attention, because I thought Mario was going to play LB sometimes. This appears that he's going to play LB most of the time. Is that right?

wildroot
08-01-2011, 06:25 PM
You are reading this a lot more legalistic than the NFL enforces it. You have asked; people have given plenty of examples/reasons why his number won't change, but keeping quoting law. Do you want to it change or just being obtuse?


The only reason I reason i read of why it may be allowed was the LB/DE position the team could attach to him. Other than that, no one responded with a rule that would overide this one.The fact that someone else has gotten away with it is not a reason, it's an excuse to be used if he's asked to change his number. (the next time I'm pulled over for speeding I'll try that line on the cop..."well he was speeding too!")

I quoted the rule twice, one portion of the rule to start the thread, then another portion to respond to someone directly that dealt with his answer. I quoted two portions of the rule, once each. I did not regurgitate the same verbage a multitude of times.

Chill....

wildroot
08-01-2011, 06:26 PM
I guess I haven't been paying attention, because I thought Mario was going to play LB sometimes. This appears that he's going to play LB most of the time. Is that right?

He's listed on the HT roster as a LB.

PapaL
08-01-2011, 06:28 PM
He will continue to wear #90 until/if he chooses otherwise.
Drafted and numbered as a DE.

/Thread

Allstar
08-01-2011, 06:38 PM
http://morajunction.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/devin-hester-punt-return.jpg

GlassHalfFull
08-01-2011, 06:59 PM
Guess that'll have to work or there will be a slew of upset fans with #90 jerseys.

That is why this won't be an issue. Rebok will not want to sit on unsold 90 jerseys. No problemo.

Allstar
08-01-2011, 07:04 PM
That is why this won't be an issue. Rebok will not want to sit on unsold 90 jerseys. No problemo.

Reebok only has one more year to worry about any of that anyways. Nike takes over in 2012.

DocBar
08-01-2011, 07:32 PM
Will this make my #90 MW jerseys a collectors item worth thoudsands of $$'s? If not, who really cares?

ObsiWan
08-01-2011, 10:25 PM
I don't care if his number is Pi as long as he gets double-digit sacks and stuffs the run
:)

DocBar
08-01-2011, 10:28 PM
I don't care if his number is Pi as long as he gets double-digit sacks and stuffs the run
:)How many points past the decimal? That matters. :tomato:

gwallaia
08-01-2011, 10:28 PM
The PA announcer will just have to say "#90 is an eligible linebacker" before every play Mario lines up as linebacker.

DocBar
08-01-2011, 10:34 PM
The PA announcer will just have to say "#90 is an eligible linebacker" before every play Mario lines up as linebacker.sigh.....people unclear on the concept. LOL

ObsiWan
08-01-2011, 10:39 PM
How many points past the decimal? That matters. :tomato:
double-digits; don't want to be accused of too much finesse (oh wait, am I mixing threads?)
:D

The Pencil Neck
08-01-2011, 10:57 PM
The PA announcer will just have to say "#90 is an eligible linebacker" before every play Mario lines up as linebacker.

lol

b0ng
08-01-2011, 11:03 PM
The only reason I reason i read of why it may be allowed was the LB/DE position the team could attach to him. Other than that, no one responded with a rule that would overide this one.The fact that someone else has gotten away with it is not a reason, it's an excuse to be used if he's asked to change his number. (the next time I'm pulled over for speeding I'll try that line on the cop..."well he was speeding too!")

I quoted the rule twice, one portion of the rule to start the thread, then another portion to respond to someone directly that dealt with his answer. I quoted two portions of the rule, once each. I did not regurgitate the same verbage a multitude of times.

Chill....

No really you are being intentionally obtuse about this because specific examples of players playing in the exact same position as Mario have the same 90's numbers that you are referring to.

Stop being intentionally obtuse Mario isn't going to change his number.

/thread

Allstar
08-01-2011, 11:34 PM
No really you are being intentionally obtuse about this because specific examples of players playing in the exact same position as Mario have the same 90's numbers that you are referring to.

Stop being intentionally obtuse Mario isn't going to change his number.

/thread

http://thumbnails.hulu.com/17/249/84355_512x288_generated__kWkZOVkyqUSR0kntoghc9g.jp g

GlassHalfFull
08-01-2011, 11:44 PM
The PA announcer will just have to say "#90 is an eligible linebacker" before every play Mario lines up as linebacker.

I see what you did there.
:bravo:

Texan_Bill
08-02-2011, 10:39 AM
Mario #90 jersey owners = FAIL!

Texans marketing department = WIN!

ObsiWan
08-02-2011, 11:51 PM
Mario #90 jersey owners = FAIL!

Texans marketing department = WIN!

WRONG!!
:D
Training camp photos still show the Super One sporting our familiar #90
:fans:

brakos82
08-02-2011, 11:57 PM
:mariopalm: TT!

hookinreds
08-03-2011, 12:26 AM
No really you are being intentionally obtuse about this because specific examples of players playing in the exact same position as Mario have the same 90's numbers that you are referring to.

Stop being intentionally obtuse Mario isn't going to change his number.

/thread

http://www.scene-stealers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/shawshank38.jpeg

BullNation4Life
08-03-2011, 11:11 AM
No really you are being intentionally obtuse about this because specific examples of players playing in the exact same position as Mario have the same 90's numbers that you are referring to.

Stop being intentionally obtuse Mario isn't going to change his number.

/thread

Get'em Andy Dufresne....


Folks need football bad, arguing about a rule that is never enforced...