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Allstar
07-31-2011, 04:18 PM
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Former Browns FB Lawrence Vickers says his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, is talking to the Texans. They need to replace Vonta Leach.

Vickers, who grew up in nearby Beaumont, resides in Houston. He said he'd love to play for the Texans. He spent first 5 seasons with Browns.

Vickers is 6-0, 255. He's 28. He's a lead blocker in the Vonta Leach mold. Texans need a veteran. TE James Casey gets first shot at the job.

Rey
07-31-2011, 04:31 PM
I would not mind bringing vickers in, but I honestly think Casey will win that job.

Schaub2Dre
07-31-2011, 04:44 PM
Vickers is the next closest thing to Leach. That brusing and pounding type of full back and i'm confident Kubes and mold him the way we want. But I honestly I see Casey and Vickers splitting time at FB.

TEXANS84
07-31-2011, 04:45 PM
I'd take Vickers over Casey any day of the week.

Pay the man, Rick.

ChampionTexan
07-31-2011, 04:47 PM
I'd take Vickers over Casey any day of the week.

Pay the man, Rick.

Agreed - I'm just concerned Casey is a round hole/square peg solution.

Ryan
07-31-2011, 04:54 PM
He played for the University of Colorado Buffaloes during his college career


Well there you have it folks, he's gonna be a Texan. I know it's not colorado state but i guess there aren't too many CSU fullbacks in the NFL that are FAs.

Rey
07-31-2011, 05:03 PM
Well there you have it folks, he's gonna be a Texan. I know it's not colorado state but i guess there aren't too many CSU fullbacks in the NFL that are FAs.

I think we have one on our roster from csu.

CloakNNNdagger
07-31-2011, 05:33 PM
Vickers is the next closest thing to Leach. That brusing and pounding type of full back and i'm confident Kubes and mold him the way we want. But I honestly I see Casey and Vickers splitting time at FB.

This MB discussion and references tend to worry me:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1547&t=7567847

GP
07-31-2011, 05:36 PM
Vickers wants to be a Pro Bowl fullback, it appears. Running in front of Arian is how he gets there.

Leach goes to the Ravens, gets paid AND gets a shot at a ring with a perennially good team.

Vickers gets to come here and block for the league's leading rusher.

Win-Win. Now, the money has to work out. I'd rather have Vickers at FB than Ty Warren at d-line. Much better money spent. I hope the Texans have it ranked Vickers as option A and Warren is option B.

michaelm
07-31-2011, 05:44 PM
I'm still having a hard time figuring out why people have so much confidence that Casey can be our starting FB.
He shows every indication of being a career backup and ST player at best.
Likable guy, good athlete, but I'm not feeling him as a replacement for Leach.

Honoring Earl 34
07-31-2011, 05:44 PM
Vickers wants to be a Pro Bowl fullback, it appears. Running in front of Arian is how he gets there.

Leach goes to the Ravens, gets paid AND gets a shot at a ring with a perennially good team.

Vickers gets to come here and block for the league's leading rusher.

Win-Win. Now, the money has to work out. I'd rather have Vickers at FB than Ty Warren at d-line. Much better money spent. I hope the Texans have it ranked Vickers as option A and Warren is option B.

I heard that Warren isn't wanting to break the bank . What about Jamaal Williams , Wade's NG with San Diego ?

ArlingtonTexan
07-31-2011, 05:52 PM
Vickers wants to be a Pro Bowl fullback, it appears. Running in front of Arian is how he gets there.

Leach goes to the Ravens, gets paid AND gets a shot at a ring with a perennially good team.

Vickers gets to come here and block for the league's leading rusher.

Win-Win. Now, the money has to work out. I'd rather have Vickers at FB than Ty Warren at d-line. Much better money spent. I hope the Texans have it ranked Vickers as option A and Warren is option B.

HOnestly, I am hoping that the budget is not so type that it is an either/or question to getting a veteran FB or DLman. You could throw Punter in this equation too.

TheMatrix31
07-31-2011, 06:04 PM
Get Vickers, at least he's a FB.

The Pencil Neck
07-31-2011, 06:07 PM
HOnestly, I am hoping that the budget is not so type that it is an either/or question to getting a veteran FB or DLman. You could throw Punter in this equation too.

I think we've still got a little room to maneuver.

I could be wrong, though. :)

But they might be taking an approach of going with they have and then scouring the waiver wire and TC cuts for some diamonds in the rough. It seems like we always get one or two of those per year.

TheRealJoker
07-31-2011, 06:12 PM
If we get Vickers then great. But if we don't I would honestly be content adding another udfa in addition to the one we already signed to bring to camp. Casey is going into his 3rd year and his talent level demands for him to be on the field more. He's not the same type of FB as Leach but we can tailor our offense to maximize his strengths while still maintaining an effective running game.

SheTexan
07-31-2011, 06:14 PM
Looks like all the "homeboys" wanna come back to Texas! Hell, sign both Warren and Vickers for the league min, and bring um both back to Texas!:spin::fans:

wildroot
07-31-2011, 06:24 PM
This MB discussion and references tend to worry me:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1547&t=7567847

"SCOUTING REPORTS Pros: Vickers has a huge frame and the quickness to get to the line. He can gain the tough inside yardage when he plays with his pads down. He was one of the nationís most versatile backs, excelling as a tailback, fullback and receiver. He has nice hands and is able to catch the ball with relative ease as an outlet receiver. He has a good understanding of coverage and route running. He is a tough runner with good leg drive that is able to move the pile on contact. Good special-teams performer"

No worries.

El Tejano
07-31-2011, 09:29 PM
I'd like to see how much Ahmad Hall would run us. That dude is a player and of course, the fact that he's from UT doesn't hurt for me.

But he also paved alot of yards for a very good back there too.

CloakNNNdagger
07-31-2011, 10:06 PM
"SCOUTING REPORTS Pros: Vickers has a huge frame and the quickness to get to the line. He can gain the tough inside yardage when he plays with his pads down. He was one of the nationís most versatile backs, excelling as a tailback, fullback and receiver. He has nice hands and is able to catch the ball with relative ease as an outlet receiver. He has a good understanding of coverage and route running. He is a tough runner with good leg drive that is able to move the pile on contact. Good special-teams performer"

No worries.

That is a five year old college scouting report.

And if he has good hands now, we certainly don't know it.

Also worth pointing out Vickers's 2010 stats:

Thrown at: 10 times (16th most for fullbacks)
Caught: 4 (23rd best)
Yards: 15 (27th best)
Yards/Catch: 3.8 (2nd worst in the league)
Drops: 2 (t-5th most)
Interceptions on passes intended for Vickers: 1

V3rm0nt3r
07-31-2011, 10:30 PM
My question is why aren't we talking to Jameel Cook's agent?:kitten:

Lucky
07-31-2011, 10:55 PM
And if he has good hands now, we certainly don't know it.
You kinda have to factor in who's throwing him the ball. Vickers hasn't played with a lot of quality NFL starting QBs. In fact, Schaub would be his first, if he signs with the Texans.

Texan in Japan
07-31-2011, 10:56 PM
I worked w/ a Browns' fan last season and we use to argue about who had the best fullback. When Vonta was All-Pro, I gloated a bit. However, if you look at tape of Vickers and compare him to Leach you see quite a bit of difference in their athletism. Leach is like a smaller OG leading the charge and blowing people up, but Vickers has similar power, but is able to adjust and dip his hips more naturally then Leach.

While I was for signing Leach, I think Vickers could be an even better option in our offense.

I'd love to see Casey get some time in an HB role as he reminds me of a more athletic Frank Wycheck. We could run him out of the FB position in motion and generate some different looks.

Wolf6151
07-31-2011, 11:08 PM
I honestly don't know anything about Vickers, but if we're relying on Casey to play FB, to make holes in the line and to blowup a LB, then we're in trouble. Casey ain't even close to being Leach.

TimeKiller
07-31-2011, 11:40 PM
Vickers isn't coming cheap....soooo why not just pay Leach? Hmmm.

I don't get this backlash to Casey. I loved Vonta Leach's game but honestly, the concept of hitting people isn't a big hurdle. I bet if you put in Casey's mind that he needs to bring it, he would bring it. I bet he's willing to do just about anything to see the field.

Also, they already have a CSU FB, udfa right? Pauga or something? Not interested in Vickers. Not so surprised that VL leaving is the first hurdle Casey will need to jump before getting a real chance to get on the field.

CloakNNNdagger
08-01-2011, 09:15 AM
You kinda have to factor in who's throwing him the ball. Vickers hasn't played with a lot of quality NFL starting QBs. In fact, Schaub would be his first, if he signs with the Texans.

John McClain on 610 just reported that he had discussed Vickers with the head Browns writer. He was told that Vickers did not have hands, nor could he run the ball.........he was a pure blocker.

Ole Miss Texan
08-01-2011, 09:24 AM
I don't get this backlash to Casey. I loved Vonta Leach's game but honestly, the concept of hitting people isn't a big hurdle. I bet if you put in Casey's mind that he needs to bring it, he would bring it. I bet he's willing to do just about anything to see the field.
I don't think Casey can be as good a FB as Leach but then again I don't think anyone is trying to say that. I think Casey could probably be serviceable. I think we're overplaying the amount of times Leach pounded the snot out of a lineback allowing Foster to sneak in right behind him. A lot of the play I honestly think Casey, for example, just needs to tie up the LB long enough for Foster to spring by... it's not necessarily a pancake block. It's a tie up the LB's vision, hold on to the shoulder pads 1 second or 2 and let Foster break left or right. I don't want to discount Leach at all but I think Foster will still see a lot of success without him.

Section516
08-01-2011, 09:25 AM
John McClain on 610 just reported that he had discussed Vickers with the head Browns writer. He was told that Vickers did not have hands, nor could he run the ball.........he was a pure blocker.

I don't want a FB who wants carries - I want a mean SOB - I want leach *tears*

El Tejano
08-01-2011, 09:31 AM
I don't want a FB who wants carries - I want a mean SOB - I want leach *tears*

I would want that kind of FB. You may not remember when the 49ers had their hay day and had Roger Craig as the HB and Tom Rathman as the FB. Rathman was awesome in the fact that he could pop out and receive or he could even take a hand off and get you a good 3-4 yards, even more. It made that WCO very sick!

b0ng
08-01-2011, 09:37 AM
My thoughts:

Vickers is in no way going to be nearly as good or as punishing as Leach is as a blocker. If we bring in Vickers, he needs to be brought in at a rate that is significantly less than what Leach got in Baltimore or else the FO is mentally disabled.

I am very interested in the prospect of having a pass catching athletic guy like Casey in the FB role I'm not totally sold that it's going to work.

CloakNNNdagger
08-01-2011, 09:38 AM
I don't want a FB who wants carries - I want a mean SOB - I want leach *tears*

This article gave me some positive insights (to balance out some of my own negative feelings) as to why the Texans would be so interested in him.

If we get him and we ever play the Browns, sounds like he could be singing..........pat-a-cake, pat-a-cake......love me some pancake...............


The Browns have never articulated their plans at fullback in their new West Coast offense. After drafting Marecic, Heckert said of Vickers, "When the league starts [after the lockout], we'll see."

Shurmur has said that every back in his offense needs to be able to catch the ball. If Shurmur and his staff determined that Vickers was not a good fit in their offense, Vickers said they made a mistake.

Owen Marecic.JPGView full sizeAPBrowns draft pick Owen Marecic of Stanford.

He said he was known as a versatile fullback as a rookie in 2006 coming out of Colorado, which ran an offense copied from Mike Shanahan's West Coast system with the Denver Broncos at the time.

Vickers had more than 500 yards rushing and receiving in his career at Colorado.

"I am a West Coast fullback. That's what they don't understand," he said.

He said he became typecast as a "knockout fullback" the past two years because that's how he earned playing time.

"I was on a team where they don't even use a fullback," he said of the Browns' offense under former coach Eric Mangini. "Mangini's era wasn't really a fullback era. I played just on [the belief that] 'this person has to be on the field.' Everything I got wasn't given. I took it. Our offense was based on New England's. They don't even have a fullback."

Vickers' reputation as an explosive lead-blocker actually began in Romeo Crennel's last two seasons in 2007 and '08. He paved the way for successive 1,000-yard rushing seasons by Jamal Lewis, who was running on bald tires and leaking oil. In 2009, when Lewis went down with concussion symptoms, Vickers' crushing lead blocks helped Jerome Harrison amass 561 yards in the final three games.

"Maybe if I wasn't knocking people out, maybe I'd still be known as a versatile fullback," Vickers said. "Anybody that watches football knows. The last two years, I haven't caught the ball. I wasn't a part of the offense. So I made a way for me to be on the field. That's what a football player does. Anybody that can make his presence on the field without the ball is a helluva guy.

"I played in the West Coast offense at Colorado. When I first came to the NFL, my first carry was at tailback. In [former coordinator Rob Chudzinski] Chud's offense, look at how many passes I caught [23 in two seasons].

"People have short-term memories. I forgive them for that. What I've done for you lately is knock people out. That's only because that's all that was left for me to do."

Vickers is not worried that the traditional fullback position seems to be on the endangered list in the NFL as teams load up on multiple-receiver sets and spread the ball through the air.

"I don't care where you are, you can pass the ball all over the place. Come November and December, you're going to have to run the ball eventually," he said. "Green Bay ran the ball even in their pass offense.

"I think people are getting away from the stud fullbacks because there aren't too many left in the league. But if you have one, you keep him."

Vickers said he won't give up hope of returning to the Browns until he is told, "Vickers, it's over." But he's not blind to the obvious.

"I just hope I don't have to come to Cleveland in a different uniform because it's gonna be bad [for the Browns]," he said. "Those [Browns linebackers] are my guys. They know they will come with it and I will come with it. It's gonna be one of those all-time Cleveland games." link (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/06/fullback_lawrence_vickers_bewi.html)

The Pencil Neck
08-01-2011, 09:39 AM
What was great about Leach was that he was that nice little safety valve even though he was primarily a runt guard. Vickers is a runt guard without the hands to be a safety valve.

If we go with Casey, we lose the runt guard part and get something more than a safety valve coming out of the backfied. So if we go with Casey, we're actually getting a different type of player and we have to expect the plays to reflect that difference.

CloakNNNdagger
08-01-2011, 09:48 AM
What was great about Leach was that he was that nice little safety valve even though he was primarily a runt guard. Vickers is a runt guard without the hands to be a safety valve.

If we go with Casey, we lose the runt guard part and get something more than a safety valve coming out of the backfied. So if we go with Casey, we're actually getting a different type of player and we have to expect the plays to reflect that difference.

If the article I posted is accurate, the Brown probably didn't practice him much at practice. Maybe, Kubiak et al believe that given the right coaching and practice time to rediscover his rookie skills, they will have a reasonable chance of having replaced Vonta with a mirror image. He is, after all, if you've ever watched him, that "mean road-grading SOB" in the mold of Vonta.

Ole Miss Texan
08-01-2011, 10:07 AM
Vickers has more receptions during his career than rushing attempts, althought they're both fairly even (and minimal). Also, from what I could find scrounging around the internet he earned between $360K-$535K per year '07-'09 and then $1.75M during 2010. Even if we sign him to last years figure that's less than half of what Leach costs.

badboy
08-01-2011, 10:18 AM
Sounds like he just wants to play & is not too concerned about salary. Maybe we could get him for minial guaranteed money. If he doesn't work out, cut him. I have no history to evaluate Casey on as a blocking fullback.

beerlover
08-01-2011, 10:25 AM
Casey wouldn't hold up as Texan starting Fullback with his injury history. Somebody in this organization likes these tweener types, good undersized athletes with catching ability.

Vickers would be a much safer route. They need to get it done quickly too, no time to waste.

badboy
08-01-2011, 10:27 AM
Casey wouldn't hold up as Texan starting Fullback with his injury history. Somebody in this organization likes these tweener types, good undersized athletes with catching ability.

Vickers would be a much safer route. They need to get it done quickly too, no time to waste.Agree 100 %.

Ole Miss Texan
08-01-2011, 10:28 AM
I have no history to evaluate Casey on as a blocking fullback.
I'm not sure that any of us do! I vaguely remember him filling in at FB last year, maybe during preseason just for a play here and there? I could be making that up... couldn't find any videos on it.

I do like the potential that Casey has though just from a scheming standpoint. We use our TEs, there's no questioning that. I can see some plays where we start with a 2 TE set with Casey out on on side, Schaub motions him inside to the FB position and then the run from there. Or the could even do a play action to Foster with Casey acting as the FB and then he releases off a LB and catches the ball. He's sneaky quick and has great hands.

Again none of us really know but it will be a big thing we fans look at during practice and preseason. If it works, it'd be awesome!

Errant Hothy
08-01-2011, 10:30 AM
Still showing intrest in Vickers

Texans continue to show interest in former Browns FB Lawrence Vickers. He resides in Houston and is expected to visit with team.

alphajoker
08-01-2011, 11:06 AM
Still showing intrest in Vickers

Any timeframe on when they expect to bring him to visit Houston?

thunderkyss
08-01-2011, 11:25 AM
I'm still having a hard time figuring out why people have so much confidence that Casey can be our starting FB.
He shows every indication of being a career backup and ST player at best.
Likable guy, good athlete, but I'm not feeling him as a replacement for Leach.

I'm thinking we're going to move away from the blocking fullback... go more to another receiver out of the backfield mold. I believe that's what Kubiak really wants out of his offense.

If we sign Vickers, then that would mean I'm wrong.

I had no idea that Vickers was the guy blocking for Peyton Hillis.

If we do need a fullback, this guy is a nobrainer....

That, plus he's from my neck of the woods.

thunderkyss
08-01-2011, 11:27 AM
Looks like all the "homeboys" wanna come back to Texas! Hell, sign both Warren and Vickers for the league min, and bring um both back to Texas!:spin::fans:

I don't know if we'd be paying Vickers league minimum.

We were paying Vonta $1Mil +

May not pay Vickers that much, but I would think more than league minimum.

thunderkyss
08-01-2011, 11:33 AM
This article gave me some positive insights (to balance out some of my own negative feelings) as to why the Texans would be so interested in him.

If we get him and we ever play the Browns, sounds like he could be singing..........pat-a-cake, pat-a-cake......love me some pancake...............

link (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/06/fullback_lawrence_vickers_bewi.html)

Man I like this kid

:fans: go get him Texans.

CloakNNNdagger
08-01-2011, 11:36 AM
The way Casey occasionally "blew" people up was with hits down field after gaining distance momentum.

Leach had massive "torque" and could blow people up 2 feet into the play.

Casey is not going to bring that to the table. And with whatever other skills and options he might bring, the "Leach factor" will not be one.

duckbill58
08-01-2011, 11:36 AM
HOnestly, I am hoping that the budget is not so type that it is an either/or question to getting a veteran FB or DLman. You could throw Punter in this equation too.


i keep hearing people talk about needing a punter. we JUST got an udfa named brett hartmann P that was one of the best prospects in the nation, he just happened not to get drafted. punters often do. go to youtube and watch the kid kick AND punt.

First post btw!!

michaelm
08-01-2011, 11:38 AM
i keep hearing people talk about needing a punter. we JUST got an udfa named brett hartmann P that was one of the best prospects in the nation, he just happened not to get drafted. punters often do. go to youtube and watch the kid kick AND punt.

First post btw!!

Welcome to Texans Talk, Mr. Hartman!

thunderkyss
08-01-2011, 11:39 AM
I'm not sure that any of us do! I vaguely remember him filling in at FB last year, maybe during preseason just for a play here and there? I could be making that up... couldn't find any videos on it.

I do like the potential that Casey has though just from a scheming standpoint. We use our TEs, there's no questioning that. I can see some plays where we start with a 2 TE set with Casey out on on side, Schaub motions him inside to the FB position and then the run from there. Or the could even do a play action to Foster with Casey acting as the FB and then he releases off a LB and catches the ball. He's sneaky quick and has great hands.

Again none of us really know but it will be a big thing we fans look at during practice and preseason. If it works, it'd be awesome!

I think most of the mismatches are going to come out of the fullback sets. The defenses will counter with their base set, 3 LBs... we can motion Casey out to the slot.... now he's got a LB or a safety on him. If it's a LB, Casey should be able to outrun him to the middle of the field, catch it over his shoulder & keep running to the house.

If he's split outside, they'll probably counter with the nickel.... he motions to full back, then he has to block..... which we aren't too sure he can do with any proficiency.

badboy
08-01-2011, 11:40 AM
i keep hearing people talk about needing a punter. we JUST got an udfa named brett hartmann P that was one of the best prospects in the nation, he just happened not to get drafted. punters often do. go to youtube and watch the kid kick AND punt.

First post btw!!Welcome DB58 but I doubt many of us want to just give the job to UDFA Hartmann. Let's have a bit of competition and then decide before game one. As has been said NFL is a whole'nother game from college.

michaelm
08-01-2011, 11:47 AM
I think most of the mismatches are going to come out of the fullback sets. The defenses will counter with their base set, 3 LBs... we can motion Casey out to the slot.... now he's got a LB or a safety on him. If it's a LB, Casey should be able to outrun him to the middle of the field, catch it over his shoulder & keep running to the house.

If he's split outside, they'll probably counter with the nickel.... he motions to full back, then he has to block..... which we aren't too sure he can do with any proficiency.


You seem to project a lot of production for a guy who has 14 catches in 31 career games for an average of 11.6 yards.
No way shape or form would I put all of my eggs in James Casey's basket at FB.
Until he proves otherwise, he's just another guy in a long list of Texans players with "potential".

Give him a shot? Sure.
Anoint him as the starting FB? Not if if was my decision to make.

Ole Miss Texan
08-01-2011, 11:47 AM
I think most of the mismatches are going to come out of the fullback sets. The defenses will counter with their base set, 3 LBs... we can motion Casey out to the slot.... now he's got a LB or a safety on him. If it's a LB, Casey should be able to outrun him to the middle of the field, catch it over his shoulder & keep running to the house.

If he's split outside, they'll probably counter with the nickel.... he motions to full back, then he has to block..... which we aren't too sure he can do with any proficiency.

:drool:

duckbill58
08-01-2011, 11:51 AM
Casey wouldn't hold up as Texan starting Fullback with his injury history. Somebody in this organization likes these tweener types, good undersized athletes with catching ability.

Vickers would be a much safer route. They need to get it done quickly too, no time to waste.


^^^^ yes

GP
08-01-2011, 11:52 AM
Welcome DB58 but I doubt many of us want to just give the job to UDFA Hartmann. Let's have a bit of competition and then decide before game one. As has been said NFL is a whole'nother game from college.

Disagree.

How can it be so different than college? If your Texans special teams unit blocks properly, the guy just has to punt the ball.

The field is the same length, same width, and all the guy does is punt the ball. Bingo, Bango, Bongo. The end.

Sign a UDFA on the cheap and be done with it.

GP
08-01-2011, 11:56 AM
The way Casey occasionally "blew" people up was with hits down field after gaining distance momentum.

Leach had massive "torque" and could blow people up 2 feet into the play.

Casey is not going to bring that to the table. And with whatever other skills and options he might bring, the "Leach factor" will not be one.

As soon as I posted what I posted, I realized the same thing you're saying here.

Yes, that particular block occurred out in open space downfield.

Just want to clarify that I am in favor of bringing Vickers aboard, much more than I am Ty Warren (if we're having to pick and choose due to cap).

TimeKiller
08-01-2011, 12:43 PM
Casey wouldn't hold up as Texan starting Fullback with his injury history. Somebody in this organization likes these tweener types, good undersized athletes with catching ability.

Vickers would be a much safer route. They need to get it done quickly too, no time to waste.

Injury history? Didn't he have a MCL and played through it anyway? Got it cleaned up, didn't miss the whole season. Some injury history. And he's 6'3'' 250, how big do you think most fullbacks are?

It's a shame that so many lack faith in Casey simply because he's not Vonta Leach. Leach left for money, don't forget that. He left a supreme offense, the league's leading rusher and game's best WR for a hole like Baltimore. For :money:. That makes him the enemy now. So please stop wishing he was on the team because he had that choice and made the wrong one. It doesn't mean you get to make shit up about James Casey though.

El Tejano
08-01-2011, 12:53 PM
Man I like this kid:fans: go get him Texans.

Kubiak, is that you?

Bubbajwp
08-01-2011, 01:04 PM
My thoughts:

Vickers is in no way going to be nearly as good or as punishing as Leach is as a blocker. If we bring in Vickers, he needs to be brought in at a rate that is significantly less than what Leach got in Baltimore or else the FO is mentally disabled.

I am very interested in the prospect of having a pass catching athletic guy like Casey in the FB role I'm not totally sold that it's going to work.

Clearly you dont know who Vickers is.

Ole Miss Texan
08-01-2011, 01:18 PM
I just watched a bunch of Peyton Hillis highlights. Look for #47 which is the FB Vickers. I'd be perfectly happy if we brought this guy in and paid him half of what Leach is. Can make some GREAT blocks.

Rey
08-01-2011, 01:22 PM
I think most of the mismatches are going to come out of the fullback sets. The defenses will counter with their base set, 3 LBs... we can motion Casey out to the slot.... now he's got a LB or a safety on him. If it's a LB, Casey should be able to outrun him to the middle of the field, catch it over his shoulder & keep running to the house.

If he's split outside, they'll probably counter with the nickel.... he motions to full back, then he has to block..... which we aren't too sure he can do with any proficiency.

Defenses put their personnel on the field pre-snap. they won't know where Casey will be starting or end up. They'll just know hes in the game.

Kubiak could give Matt more flexibility and allow him to Go run or pass based on how many DBS are in the game though.

And remember, Casey doesn't have to motion to the fb spot to block. If the defense is in nickel you coils just leave Casey in the slot and keep the defense spread out.

You could also do a lot more things with 3 te sets.

TEXANS84
08-01-2011, 01:24 PM
I just watched a bunch of Peyton Hillis highlights. Look for #47 which is the FB Vickers. I'd be perfectly happy if we brought this guy in and paid him half of what Leach is. Can make some GREAT blocks.

I love the highlight where he is talking smack to Ray Lewis before the game. Gotta love that.

Rey
08-01-2011, 01:25 PM
I just watched a bunch of Peyton Hillis highlights. Look for #47 which is the FB Vickers. I'd be perfectly happy if we brought this guy in and paid him half of what Leach is. Can make some GREAT blocks.

I honestly think people are overvaluing leach.

There are a lot of fb's out there that can run into a hole and blow people up. Maybe leach looks more impressive than most, but lots of guys out there that can block from that position.

They just don't get the notoriety until a rb has a big year behind them.

Ole Miss Texan
08-01-2011, 01:40 PM
I honestly think people are overvaluing leach.

There are a lot of fb's out there that can run into a hole and blow people up. Maybe leach looks more impressive than most, but lots of guys out there that can block from that position.

They just don't get the notoriety until a rb has a big year behind them.
Agreed, and I a really do like Leach a lot.

To the bolded part: Or when they actively campaign for a pro bowl spot. :)

otisbean
08-01-2011, 01:50 PM
I honestly think people are overvaluing leach.

There are a lot of fb's out there that can run into a hole and blow people up. Maybe leach looks more impressive than most, but lots of guys out there that can block from that position.

They just don't get the notoriety until a rb has a big year behind them.

This! Plus if memory serves, the last 2 2,000 yd rushers were T. Davis and C. Johnson. Their FBs were Howard Griffith and Ahmad Hall respectively. Hardly pro bowl material

thunderkyss
08-01-2011, 03:06 PM
DBL pst... don't know how that happened.

thunderkyss
08-01-2011, 03:07 PM
Disagree.

How can it be so different than college? If your Texans special teams unit blocks properly, the guy just has to punt the ball.

The field is the same length, same width, and all the guy does is punt the ball. Bingo, Bango, Bongo. The end.

Sign a UDFA on the cheap and be done with it.

If he's got good hang time.... yes.

In the NFL, everybody running down the field is much faster. So is the guy returning the ball. If he doesn't give our guys enough time to get down the field... he'll have low net yards.


I'm just saying in general, the youtube video of the kid shows his kick-offs to have plenty of hang time... he needs to work on shortening his distance though.

Ole Miss Texan
08-01-2011, 03:28 PM
I'm just saying in general, the youtube video of the kid shows his kick-offs to have plenty of hang time... he needs to work on shortening his distance though.
To your point, I think the ability to be accurate is just as important as being long. Accuracy, to me, is being able to judge your distance as well as direction. Let's pin them inside the 10 yard line!

BrwnsTown
08-01-2011, 04:25 PM
First off I don't usually come to other team boards, but I had to see what was the likelihood of Vickers coming to the Texans.

All I can say for the people who are not sure about Vickers is he is a beast.

Just take a look at any footage on youtube of Harrison's career day against K.C. and you will Vickers clearing the way.

He blew open holes for a aging Jamal Lewis to get 1000 plus back to back yrs.
Plowed the way for Harrison to get pretty much 600 yds of his 867 in the last 3 games.

And was the reason Hillis blew up last year, and then for some reason Mangini decided to go with a single back set and Hillis was not much of a factor down the stretch.

Vickers caught 13 passes for 91 yards and two touchdowns in 2007, and 10 passes for 78 yards in 2008.

And then they changed the offense yet again and stopped using him out of the backfield.

In short I hoped we would resign him to help teach our rookie but I don't see it happening. And if you get him you wont regret it.

beerlover
08-01-2011, 04:29 PM
First off I don't usually come to other team boards, but I had to see what was the likelihood of Vickers coming to the Texans.

All I can say for the people who are not sure about Vickers is he is a beast.

Just take a look at any footage on youtube of Harrison's career day against K.C. and you will Vickers clearing the way.

He blew open holes for a aging Jamal Lewis to get 1000 plus back to back yrs.
Plowed the way for Harrison to get pretty much 600 yds of his 867 in the last 3 games.

And was the reason Hillis blew up last year, and then for some reason Mangini decided to go with a single back set and Hillis was not much of a factor down the stretch.

Vickers caught 13 passes for 91 yards and two touchdowns in 2007, and 10 passes for 78 yards in 2008.

And then they changed the offense yet again and stopped using him out of the backfield.

In short I hoped we would resign him to help teach our rookie but I don't see it happening. And if you get him you wont regret it.

thanks for your report. I always say fans know their own teams sometimes better than the media talking heads. If there is ever a question about a former Texan maybe we can return the favor?

Texas T
08-01-2011, 04:31 PM
First off I don't usually come to other team boards, but I had to see what was the likelihood of Vickers coming to the Texans.

All I can say for the people who are not sure about Vickers is he is a beast.

Just take a look at any footage on youtube of Harrison's career day against K.C. and you will Vickers clearing the way.

He blew open holes for a aging Jamal Lewis to get 1000 plus back to back yrs.
Plowed the way for Harrison to get pretty much 600 yds of his 867 in the last 3 games.

And was the reason Hillis blew up last year, and then for some reason Mangini decided to go with a single back set and Hillis was not much of a factor down the stretch.

Vickers caught 13 passes for 91 yards and two touchdowns in 2007, and 10 passes for 78 yards in 2008.

And then they changed the offense yet again and stopped using him out of the backfield.

In short I hoped we would resign him to help teach our rookie but I don't see it happening. And if you get him you wont regret it.

Welcome to the Texans Board and thanks for the info.
Come around anytime, we enjoy conversing with fans of other teams (we even have some Raiders fans here, but their okay).

ATRAIN
08-01-2011, 04:33 PM
thanks for your report. I always say fans know their own teams sometimes better than the media talking heads. If there is ever a question about a former Texan maybe we can return the favor?

I totally agree with you. My cousin from Chicago gave me the low down on Manning and it was nothing but good things. I take the advice of fans over the media anyday. As a fan we see almost everygame and or preseason so we arent clouded by numbers. We see what they contribute to the team. I will miss Vonta but I think he was a pro bowler cause of the system and Foster. I honestly dont think he was worth the price that Baltimore got for him. That being said, I say hell yes to Vickers!! Great off season for us, cant wait to smash the colts week 1.:fans:

Nawzer
08-01-2011, 04:40 PM
The Texans are at a point where they can't be taking too many risks with unknowns this season. We all know how important this season is for the current gm and coaching staff, and I think if there is a chance we can get Vickers or any other good veteran FB we should do it. James Casey may get the job done, but he may not. We don't know what he's capable of at that position. I will say that this FB situation with Leach is a bit overblown, but if we can get a good player like Vickers I don't see why we shouldn't do it instead of going into the season with a risky move like playing Casey at FB.

beerlover
08-01-2011, 04:40 PM
Texans are interested in Ahmard Hall and Lawrence Vickers to replace Vonta Leach. per McClain two min. ago

ATRAIN
08-01-2011, 04:44 PM
The Texans are at a point where they can't be taking too many risks with unknowns this season. We all know how important this season is for the current gm and coaching staff, and I think if there is a chance we can get Vickers or any other good veteran FB we should do it. James Casey may get the job done, but he may not. We don't know what he's capable of at that position. I will say that this FB situation with Leach is a bit overblown, but if we can get a good player like Vickers I don't see why we shouldn't do it instead of going into the season with a risky move like playing Casey at FB.

Didnt Casey play a bit at fb last year?

The Pencil Neck
08-01-2011, 04:54 PM
First off I don't usually come to other team boards, but I had to see what was the likelihood of Vickers coming to the Texans.

All I can say for the people who are not sure about Vickers is he is a beast.

Just take a look at any footage on youtube of Harrison's career day against K.C. and you will Vickers clearing the way.

He blew open holes for a aging Jamal Lewis to get 1000 plus back to back yrs.
Plowed the way for Harrison to get pretty much 600 yds of his 867 in the last 3 games.

And was the reason Hillis blew up last year, and then for some reason Mangini decided to go with a single back set and Hillis was not much of a factor down the stretch.

Vickers caught 13 passes for 91 yards and two touchdowns in 2007, and 10 passes for 78 yards in 2008.

And then they changed the offense yet again and stopped using him out of the backfield.

In short I hoped we would resign him to help teach our rookie but I don't see it happening. And if you get him you wont regret it.

Welcome to the board, man. Great info.

The Pencil Neck
08-01-2011, 04:55 PM
Didnt Casey play a bit at fb last year?

Yes but mostly as a pass receiving option, iirc.

thunderkyss
08-01-2011, 05:03 PM
The Texans are at a point where they can't be taking too many risks with unknowns this season. We all know how important this season is for the current gm and coaching staff, and I think if there is a chance we can get Vickers or any other good veteran FB we should do it. James Casey may get the job done, but he may not. We don't know what he's capable of at that position. I will say that this FB situation with Leach is a bit overblown, but if we can get a good player like Vickers I don't see why we shouldn't do it instead of going into the season with a risky move like playing Casey at FB.

More than likely Kubiak will talk to his contacts at Colorado State. If they say the kids got hands, I think we'll do what we can to sign him.

I believe the Texans are wanting to advance the offense, & use the FB as a receiver out of the backfield.

If this kid can block & is a good receiver, Kubiak wants him.

BrwnsTown
08-01-2011, 05:06 PM
thanks for your report. I always say fans know their own teams sometimes better than the media talking heads. If there is ever a question about a former Texan maybe we can return the favor?



That would be great...

except it seems like a rerun in Cleveland.

Mangini signed and traded for ex jets and now Heckert is hog wild on ex eagles...

But if you guys get tired of that Andre Johnson guy I'm sure we would take him.... LOL......


And Man I just looked at your schedule...Yikes..
Those first six are a tough a stretch...

If you do get Vickers I'm sure he will make the Browns pay in week 9..

ChampionTexan
08-01-2011, 05:07 PM
Texans are interested in Ahmard Hall and Lawrence Vickers to replace Vonta Leach.

per McClain two min. ago

>>>Sits back and waits for battle to break-out between Grammar/Spelling Nazis and Ignorant/Illiterate Idiots.<<<

Nawzer
08-01-2011, 05:14 PM
Didnt Casey play a bit at fb last year?

Key word there is "bit". If this was any other year than you could take a chance on a guy like Casey to play the FB position. But we all know what's at stake for this franchise this year. And I'm someone who likes Casey a lot and I think he can be a very good TE for us. But I think we should definitely get a vet who knows what it takes to be successful at that position.

pbat488
08-01-2011, 05:15 PM
Texans are interested in Ahmard Hall and Lawrence Vickers to replace Vonta Leach.

Sits back and waits for battle to break-out between Grammar/Spelling Nazis and Ignorant/Illiterate Idiots.

uhh... what?

beerlover
08-01-2011, 05:16 PM
>>>Sits back and waits for battle to break-out between Grammar/Spelling Nazis and Ignorant/Illiterate Idiots.<<<

Just go with it :heh:

ChampionTexan
08-01-2011, 05:22 PM
uhh... what?

See Brett Farve.

GP
08-01-2011, 05:24 PM
See Brett Farve.

Steve Slayton agrees.

ChampionTexan
08-01-2011, 05:25 PM
Steve Slayton agrees.

As does Kevin Walters.

houston19519
08-01-2011, 05:51 PM
Hey guys, I'm new to this site:fans:

But here's a video of Lawrence Vickers,

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Browns-Insider-Lawrence-Vickers-Interview/14e3a1f0-69bf-46e6-874c-9e6eebf73cdd

I would love to have this guy, you can just hear the passion in his voice for loving the game of football!

mugrakers
08-01-2011, 06:05 PM
Hey guys, I'm new to this site:fans:

But here's a video of Lawrence Vickers,

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Browns-Insider-Lawrence-Vickers-Interview/14e3a1f0-69bf-46e6-874c-9e6eebf73cdd

I would love to have this guy, you can just hear the passion in his voice for loving the game of football!

wow that video is a must watch... I'm a fan of Vickers no matter where he goes from here on out.... rooting for this fella

Bubbajwp
08-01-2011, 06:15 PM
wow that video is a must watch... I'm a fan of Vickers no matter where he goes from here on out.... rooting for this fella

Leach who?


Please sign this guy.

houston19519
08-01-2011, 06:15 PM
wow that video is a must watch... I'm a fan of Vickers no matter where he goes from here on out.... rooting for this fella

Couldn't agree more!

Texecutioner
08-01-2011, 06:17 PM
Vickers is the next closest thing to Leach. That brusing and pounding type of full back and i'm confident Kubes and mold him the way we want. But I honestly I see Casey and Vickers splitting time at FB.

This^^^^

Texas T
08-01-2011, 06:32 PM
Hey guys, I'm new to this site:fans:

But here's a video of Lawrence Vickers,

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Browns-Insider-Lawrence-Vickers-Interview/14e3a1f0-69bf-46e6-874c-9e6eebf73cdd

I would love to have this guy, you can just hear the passion in his voice for loving the game of football!

Welcome and thanks for the video!!

pbat488
08-01-2011, 06:37 PM
See Brett Farve.

but his name is ahmard hall..

ChampionTexan
08-01-2011, 06:41 PM
but his name is ahmard hall..

His name is not spelled like it is pronounced, and would likely be misspelled in many posts on this MB were he to join the Texans...

Which he won't

Tennessee Titans bring back Dave Ball, Ahmard Hall after signing Jacob Ford (http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/126551328.html)

False Start
08-01-2011, 06:49 PM
As does Kevin Walters.

JJ Watts agrees.

CloakNNNdagger
08-01-2011, 08:00 PM
You don't think Vickers has a mean bulldog mentality? See him go over and confront Ray Lewis and the entire Ravens defense alone. Wouldn't it be great to have him meet the Ravens again, this time in a Texans uni..........while Vonta is on the other side donning the other.

Watch this short but volatile pregame interchange. The title is misleading.:

Ray Lewis bout to f up Lawrence Vickers pregame!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiXGTARUjOs)

Section516
08-01-2011, 08:14 PM
I want him..C'mon! I just don't see that aggresiveness from Casey.

He says I'll do my best and change some minds..

Vickers is I'll make some LB's run from me.

The Pencil Neck
08-01-2011, 08:15 PM
I'm starting to get the joneses for this guy.

Trap_Star
08-01-2011, 09:05 PM
why haven't we signed him yet? this guy gets a rise out of my pants when i watch those vids.

GP
08-01-2011, 09:09 PM
We have to sign this guy. Period.

Dude, he gets down the field quicker than Vonta. He catches and turns up field and runs quicker than Vonta. He's got the same motor and electricity running through his veins as Vonta.

I honestly do not want any other player out there getting in front of the Texans brass and stealing Bob's money that has Vickers' name on it. I can live with a rookie punter. I can live with Ty Warren going somewhere else and sucking coin out of a team like the Chiefs.

But Vickers? He could go Pro Bowl blocking on this team. He and his agent have got to know that, right?

I'm going to be sick to my stomach if we don't get this guy. Seriously ill.

GP
08-01-2011, 09:13 PM
why haven't we signed him yet? this guy gets a rise out of my pants when i watch those vids.

Is he restricted, meaning Browns can match our offer or something?

This website (http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2011/5/7/2159970/cleveland-browns-free-agent-review-fb-lawrence-vickers) ran by a Browns fan says Cleveland put no tender on him.

It also had a poll, and 717 votes. 87% said the Browns should re-sign him.

Why Keeping Him Could Make Sense: Since coming to Cleveland, Vickers has paved the way for Jamal Lewis, Jerome Harrison, and Peyton Hillis. Each of those backs has had a lot of success and Vickers has remained healthy with no qualms about going head-to-head with tough linebackers on the Steelers and the Ravens. When you have a guy playing at such a high level and he isn't necessarily looking to go elsewhere, why not bring him back? He has received criticism for his pass catching in the West Coast Offense, but I think he can catch the ball fine; he was just put in poor situations last year in the passing game.

What the Browns Should Do: Questions about Vickers' future in Cleveland have been raised since the end of last season. The Browns did not offer him a tender like they did to a few other players. The team drafted fullback Owen Marecic in the fourth round. Maybe Marecic would make a fine starter, but we already know Vickers can get the job done. If we want our running game to stay smooth, keep Vickers and have him block, and use Marecic as the Belichick spell back/stud special teamer.

Now it's your turn -- vote in the poll below on whether or not the team should try to re-sign Lawrence Vickers!

Rey
08-01-2011, 09:16 PM
Yeah we need to sign this guy.
I'm a big Casey fan, but I like that attitude and the fact that he can strike like a lightning bolt.

Trap_Star
08-01-2011, 09:17 PM
pretty sure he's unrestricted...read that titans are interested too.

ChampionTexan
08-01-2011, 09:18 PM
pretty sure he's unrestricted...read that titans are interested too.

I haven't heard that, but they just re-signed Ahmard Hall, so if they were, they might not be anymore.

Trap_Star
08-01-2011, 09:19 PM
I haven't heard that, but they just re-signed Ahmard Hall, so if they were, they might not be anymore.

ok good...there's no need to wait, sign the man. he seems like we would become a leader in the locker room really easy with that attitude.

Pantherstang84
08-01-2011, 09:21 PM
We have to sign this guy. Period.

Dude, he gets down the field quicker than Vonta. He catches and turns up field and runs quicker than Vonta. He's got the same motor and electricity running through his veins as Vonta.

I honestly do not want any other player out there getting in front of the Texans brass and stealing Bob's money that has Vickers' name on it. I can live with a rookie punter. I can live with Ty Warren going somewhere else and sucking coin out of a team like the Chiefs.

But Vickers? He could go Pro Bowl blocking on this team. He and his agent have got to know that, right?

I'm going to be sick to my stomach if we don't get this guy. Seriously ill.

I'm with ya man. WE just have to get this guy. He would beast in this offense. BEAST!

After watching that interview I want him soo bad here. BAD!

Here is his Facebook. Let's show him some H Town love.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lawrence-Vickers/29366551203?sk=wall

Rey
08-01-2011, 09:24 PM
Heard an interesting point on the radio today.

They said that if the texans really wanted leach they could have restructured some contracts and kept him. Kevin Walter and Matt schaub come to mind.

I think the texans just didn't feel like leach was worth the money he was asking for. And I agree with them.

I get he was a fan favorite, but honestly I am not that sentimental when it comes to players.

GP
08-01-2011, 09:26 PM
I'm with ya man. WE just have to get this guy. He would beast in this offense. BEAST!

After watching that interview I want him soo bad here. BAD!

Here is his Facebook. Let's show him some H Town love.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lawrence-Vickers/29366551203?sk=wall

I guess he doesn't have a twitter account. Couldn't find one.

Someone on twitter thinks he might be looking at the Saints. Would be hard for him to turn that down, if true that he's looking there.

ChampionTexan
08-01-2011, 09:27 PM
More fuel for the fire (from June PFT story)

Vickers thinks he should be an even better fit with the new coaching staff than he was with former coach Eric Manginiís staff, but he doesnít think the Browns realize what he can do.

ďI was on a team where they donít even use a fullback,Ē Vickers said. ďManginiís era wasnít really a fullback era. I played just on [the belief that] Ďthis person has to be on the field.í Everything I got wasnít given. I took it. Our offense was based on New Englandís. They donít even have a fullback.Ē

LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/04/lawrence-vickers-browns-dont-understand-what-i-can-do/)

badboy
08-01-2011, 09:31 PM
Heard an interesting point on the radio today.

They said that if the texans really wanted leach they could have restructured some contracts and kept him. Kevin Walter and Matt schaub come to mind.

I think the texans just didn't feel like leach was worth the money he was asking for. And I agree with them.

I get he was a fan favorite, but honestly I am not that sentimental when it comes to players.
Understand your POV but I am different as I think most fans are. These guys are more than just chess pieces that I hope to see get in better places on a board. I do get emotionally invested in them. But I do most everything that way. Life is less bland when I have part of me involved.

jaayteetx
08-01-2011, 09:31 PM
Put me in this dude's fan club, love his passion.

aussie_texan
08-02-2011, 02:07 AM
hey guys, i'm new to this site:fans:

But here's a video of lawrence vickers,

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/browns-insider-lawrence-vickers-interview/14e3a1f0-69bf-46e6-874c-9e6eebf73cdd

i would love to have this guy, you can just hear the passion in his voice for loving the game of football!

what a man!!!!!!!!!! Pay the man rick

El Tejano
08-02-2011, 07:31 AM
Heard an interesting point on the radio today.

They said that if the texans really wanted leach they could have restructured some contracts and kept him. Kevin Walter and Matt schaub come to mind.

I think the texans just didn't feel like leach was worth the money he was asking for. And I agree with them.

I get he was a fan favorite, but honestly I am not that sentimental when it comes to players.

Sounds as if Kubes is ready to put HIS former 5th round pick to work finally.

TexanBacker93
08-02-2011, 08:14 AM
Heard an interesting point on the radio today.

They said that if the texans really wanted leach they could have restructured some contracts and kept him. Kevin Walter and Matt schaub come to mind.

I think the texans just didn't feel like leach was worth the money he was asking for. And I agree with them.

I get he was a fan favorite, but honestly I am not that sentimental when it comes to players.

It's hard to give a FB almost $4 a year when the guy he blocks for gets $525k. I liked Leach, but I think that is too much for that position.

If Foster leads the league in rushing again what are the chances that he ends up going elsewhere? If he commands top RB $ I don't know how the Texans could keep him.

ChampionTexan
08-02-2011, 08:23 AM
It's hard to give a FB almost $4 a year when the guy he blocks for gets $525k. I liked Leach, but I think that is too much for that position.

If Foster leads the league in rushing again what are the chances that he ends up going elsewhere? If he commands top RB $ I don't know how the Texans could keep him.

Well, ideally at some point this season, they can agree to a long-term deal and lock him up in a way that both pays him and is structured with their cap situation (and the typically limited career length of RB's) in mind.

If that doesn't happen, I believe he can be restricted for a couple more years, and then there's always the franchise tag.

If they genuinely want to keep him around, they'll be able to do it for another two or three seasons minimum, but keep in mind the commodity mentality that Kubiak's offenses have historically shown regarding RB's. Also keep in mind that if 2011 isn't a successful season, Kubiak's 2012 offense may be some team other than the Texans.

El Tejano
08-02-2011, 09:05 AM
Looks as if Casey has been reading these boards:

"I am a collision guy," Casey said. "That does tick me off a little when people say, 'Are you tough enough to play fullback?' I've played in the NFL two years. I'm not a soft guy. I'm not afraid of contact."


Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7679327.html#ixzz1TsXpz2Oj

Playoffs
08-02-2011, 09:15 AM
I don't have the faith that Casey is built to withstand the pounding over a season.

Sign Vickers!

BrwnsTown
08-02-2011, 09:51 AM
Is he restricted, meaning Browns can match our offer or something?

This website (http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2011/5/7/2159970/cleveland-browns-free-agent-review-fb-lawrence-vickers) ran by a Browns fan says Cleveland put no tender on him.

It also had a poll, and 717 votes. 87% said the Browns should re-sign him.




Nice you found the DBN site...

The guy can catch and block.
Taking on the Ravens and Steelers twice a year is brutal and he mans up ever time. Hillis went for 140 on the ravens in game 1 and then our right side of the line went down and The ravens stacked the box in game 2 making sure there was no run game...

I think Mangini had it our for Vickers from day 1 since he wasn't one of his guys... The problem is Vickers performed in his minimal opportunities during the Mangini years.. And he still wouldn't use him properly....

If you guys get him you wont regret it one bit, he is a team player first and foremost and just a all around great guy. No DUI's or off the field problems etc..

Ole Miss Texan
08-02-2011, 10:04 AM
Nice you found the DBN site...

The guy can catch and block.
Taking on the Ravens and Steelers twice a year is brutal and he mans up ever time. Hillis went for 140 on the ravens in game 1 and then our right side of the line went down and The ravens stacked the box in game 2 making sure there was no run game...

I think Mangini had it our for Vickers from day 1 since he wasn't one of his guys... The problem is Vickers performed in his minimal opportunities during the Mangini years.. And he still wouldn't use him properly....

If you guys get him you wont regret it one bit, he is a team player first and foremost and just a all around great guy. No DUI's or off the field problems etc..
Man, I really want this guy bad. It sounds like he'd be just as productive as Leach for less than half the price. I love his passion and intensity, we could use that type of guy on offense getting everyone hyped up. And replace Leach in the locker room just as much on the field.

Is there any news? I really want to see that we signed him!!

EllisUnit
08-02-2011, 10:20 AM
Rick Smith says Vickers is in town taking his physical today on Texans TV Live

drs23
08-02-2011, 10:23 AM
Rick Smith says Vickers is in town taking his physical today on Texans TV Live

YEAH! Get signed Rick!

Errant Hothy
08-02-2011, 10:25 AM
Per Nick

Nick Scurfield
Kubiak and Texans GM Rick Smith confirmed that free agent FB Lawrence Vickers is in town for a visit today

michaelm
08-02-2011, 10:26 AM
I hate to say it, but Lawrence Vickers would make this fan base forget about Vonta Leach pretty quickly.
Dude is an instant fan favorite if he signs here.

Not only is he a badass blocker, but he looks faster, quicker and more athletic than Vonta. He also looks like he would be a better receiver, and better running the ball.

Blocking is the one area where I'd give the edge to Leach, and not by very much at all.
Add his obvious passion and attitude... man, that's the kind of FOOTBALL PLAYER you want on your team, no freakin doubt.

Ole Miss Texan
08-02-2011, 10:29 AM
Woohoo!!!! Thanks for the update guys! I have totally boughten into this guy. :fans:

Rey
08-02-2011, 10:29 AM
I hate to say it, but Lawrence Vickers would make this fan base forget about Vonta Leach pretty quickly.
Dude is an instant fan favorite if he signs here.

Not only is he a badass blocker, but he looks faster, quicker and more athletic than Vonta. He also looks like he would be a better receiver, and better running the ball.

Blocking is the one area where I'd give the edge to Leach, and not by very much at all.
Add his obvious passion and attitude... man, that's the kind of FOOTBALL PLAYER you want on your team, no freakin doubt.

But, but, but without vonta we won't be tough, Matt will get killed, Arian will take a step back and the lockeroom won't be the same!!

[\craziness]

The Pencil Neck
08-02-2011, 10:33 AM
But, but, but without vonta we won't be tough, Matt will get killed, Arian will take a step back and the lockeroom won't be the same!!

[\craziness]

Dude.

That's totally the wrong slash. You should have used "/" that one.

GP
08-02-2011, 10:35 AM
Don't let him leave Houston without a contract, Rick Smith.

Look, you have a very patient and oddly "understanding" Arian Foster who has done nothing but be a mature person in the media and on his social network account regarding the loss of Leach.

Vickers would be a most suitable FB who can keep Arian productive. Now is not the time for tinkering with a project guy like Casey. Nice guy, can pitch in here and there. But a true FB is needed. Two is better than one.

Get it done.

michaelm
08-02-2011, 10:35 AM
Don't let him leave Houston without a contract, Rick Smith.

Look, you have a very patient and oddly "understanding" Arian Foster who has done nothing but be a mature person in the media and on his social network account regarding the loss of Leach.

Vickers would be a most suitable FB who can keep Arian productive. Now is not the time for tinkering with a project guy like Casey. Nice guy, can pitch in here and there. But a true FB is needed. Two is better than one.

Get it done.

In 100% agreement.

False Start
08-02-2011, 10:35 AM
The more I read about, and the more videos I see on this cat, I really hope they sign him.

Rey
08-02-2011, 10:36 AM
Dude.

That's totally the wrong slash. You should have used "/" that one.

Lol.

I'm on my phone give me a break.

:specnatz:

The Pencil Neck
08-02-2011, 10:37 AM
Don't let him leave Houston without a contract, Rick Smith.

Look, you have a very patient and oddly "understanding" Arian Foster who has done nothing but be a mature person in the media and on his social network account regarding the loss of Leach.

Vickers would be a most suitable FB who can keep Arian productive. Now is not the time for tinkering with a project guy like Casey. Nice guy, can pitch in here and there. But a true FB is needed. Two is better than one.

Get it done.

Total and complete agreement.

ChampionTexan
08-02-2011, 10:39 AM
GIS for "Vickers"



http://www.military-today.com/tanks/vickers_mk3.jpg

houston19519
08-02-2011, 10:39 AM
Rick Smith says Vickers is in town taking his physical today on Texans TV Live

Sign him up Rick!!! :specnatz:

False Start
08-02-2011, 10:41 AM
Rick Smith says Vickers is in town taking his physical today on Texans TV Live

:yes:

Ole Miss Texan
08-02-2011, 10:44 AM
Only the Houston Texans have a fanbase that gets just as emotionally involved in potential Fullback, Kicker and Punter signings as they do with skill positions.

Rey
08-02-2011, 10:46 AM
Don't let him leave Houston without a contract, Rick Smith.

Look, you have a very patient and oddly "understanding" Arian Foster who has done nothing but be a mature person in the media and on his social network account regarding the loss of Leach.

Vickers would be a most suitable FB who can keep Arian productive. Now is not the time for tinkering with a project guy like Casey. Nice guy, can pitch in here and there. But a true FB is needed. Two is better than one.

Get it done.

I've been a big proponent of letting Casey get his shot at the job, but they need to sign this guy.

At the very least he is in some kind of rotation with Casey and both would be good special teams players.

houston19519
08-02-2011, 10:59 AM
Only the Houston Texans have a fanbase that gets just as emotionally involved in potential Fullback, Kicker and Punter signings as they do with skill positions.

We love our team, and want them to do big things this year!! :drool:

vupac1
08-02-2011, 11:02 AM
That, and we have to find joy in everything little thing possible to make up for the W-L's lol

Rey
08-02-2011, 11:04 AM
I would love to drain ohio's resources.

TEXANRED
08-02-2011, 11:05 AM
Only the Houston Texans have a fanbase that gets just as emotionally involved in potential Fullback, Kicker and Punter signings as they do with skill positions.

FB is an underated position. Without a tough FB we are going to have trouble when we get down inside the 10 yard line.

macho grande
08-02-2011, 11:05 AM
I would love to drain ohio's resources.

Sounds kinda kinky

vupac1
08-02-2011, 11:11 AM
I haven't seen or heard it myself to confirm, but these guys are saying its done...

http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=24040

noxiousdog
08-02-2011, 11:18 AM
FB is an underated position. Without a tough FB we are going to have trouble when we get down inside the 10 yard line.

Not if you run a 3 TE set with all 3 that can catch passes.

Errant Hothy
08-02-2011, 11:20 AM
I haven't seen or heard it myself to confirm, but these guys are saying its done...

http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=24040

So somebody is saying that 610 is saying that we signed Vickers. I'll wait for a little bit better confirmation than that.

michaelm
08-02-2011, 11:21 AM
So somebody is saying that 610 is saying that we signed Vickers. I'll wait for a little bit better confirmation than that.

I'm about to start streaming 610. I'll post if I hear anything.

michaelm
08-02-2011, 11:26 AM
I'm about to start streaming 610. I'll post if I hear anything.


meh, Rome is on now. I used to like him, but he's basically unlistenable to me now. I'll check 1560.

CloakNNNdagger
08-02-2011, 11:42 AM
Ve Vonta Vicious Vickers

http://bryanbryan.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/vicious-bloody.jpg

jaayteetx
08-02-2011, 12:10 PM
meh, Rome is on now. I used to like him, but he's basically unlistenable to me now. I'll check 1560.

That dude is annoying

Trap_Star
08-02-2011, 12:18 PM
meh, Rome is on now. I used to like him, but he's basically unlistenable to me now. I'll check 1560.

Rome has sucked going on 3 years now...it took a turn for the worse once he let Travis Rodgers go.

Travis' show>>>> Rome

Section516
08-02-2011, 12:26 PM
Rome has sucked going on 3 years now...it took a turn for the worse once he let Travis Rodgers go.

Travis' show>>>> Rome

Travis Rodgers is the man.

GP
08-02-2011, 12:26 PM
I would love to drain ohio's resources.

Was thinking last night: Dude, Ohio is going to hate us.

And I don't care.

Texas T
08-02-2011, 12:29 PM
Anyone seen confirmation that he signed yet??

Dutchrudder
08-02-2011, 12:30 PM
Was thinking last night: Dude, Ohio is going to hate us.

And I don't care.

Cincinnati isn't part of Ohio, it's northern Kentucky. Or at least that's what anyone in Cleveland or Columbus will tell you.

Mr. White
08-02-2011, 12:32 PM
Anyone seen confirmation that he signed yet??

Just saw confirmation that he isn't signed yet (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15388024).

5 minutes ago - by Brandon Williams - Texans dispute claim that they've signed FB Vickers
Nick Scurfield of the Texans media relations department reports that, contrary to a report on Sports Radio 610 AM, the Texans have not signed free agent FB Lawrence Vickers. Vickers is in town, however and did take a physical this morning. Texans RapidReports

BrwnsTown
08-02-2011, 12:34 PM
Cincinnati isn't part of Ohio, it's northern Kentucky. Or at least that's what anyone in Cleveland or Columbus will tell you.




Better believe it.............

It gets mixed in with Western PenCiTucky. (WV,PA,Cin,Ky.)

nero THE zero
08-02-2011, 12:34 PM
Travis Rogers sucks. His shtick of trying to turn everything into a stand-up comedy bit is old. And Pendergast, who was one of my favorite 1560 personalities, has fallen in-line since he got his solo show.

I don't mind a scripted bit every once-in-a-while, but their entire shows are like that.

If I want to hear someone funny, I'll bust out a DVD of an old Bill Hicks or Eddie Murphy show, not listen to guys trying to turn sports into 3 hour comedy routines 5 days per week.

GhostRaider2007
08-02-2011, 12:36 PM
Just saw confirmation that he isn't signed yet (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15388024).

This is what that rapidreport is based on:

Link:
https://twitter.com/#!/NickScurfield/status/98440818267918336

@NickScurfield

Team hasn't announced anything RT @BHolden0226: @NickScurfield I heard sports radio 610 said Vickers signed. Not true?

18 minutes ago

The Pencil Neck
08-02-2011, 12:38 PM
Let's get it done, Rick.

Porky
08-02-2011, 12:39 PM
Just saw confirmation that he isn't signed yet (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15388024).

Where there is smoke, there is fire. I have to believe they are going to make him an offer - probably already have. Whether he accepts or not is a different matter.

Mr. White
08-02-2011, 12:47 PM
Where there is smoke, there is fire. I have to believe they are going to make him an offer - probably already have. Whether he accepts or not is a different matter.

I'm with you. I kinda think it's done. Just need to dot some i's and cross some t's.

Knock on wood.

The Pencil Neck
08-02-2011, 12:48 PM
I'm with you. I kinda think it's done. Just need to dot some i's and cross some t's.

Knock on wood.

If you have jinxed this, I'm going to hunt you down and say bad things to you.

:strangle:

Errant Hothy
08-02-2011, 12:49 PM
If you have jinxed this, I'm going to hunt you down and say bad things to you.

:strangle:

You only wish you were that scary in person :lol:

The Pencil Neck
08-02-2011, 12:54 PM
You only wish you were that scary in person :lol:

Hey.

A man's gotta know his limitations. :fingergun:

The Pencil Neck
08-02-2011, 12:58 PM
For some reason, I didn't realize Vickers is from Houston.

Mr. White
08-02-2011, 12:59 PM
This is what that rapidreport is based on:

Link:
https://twitter.com/#!/NickScurfield/status/98440818267918336

Yep. And my link was based off a post from the official board.


I like the sound of this
Team hasn't announced anything RT @BHolden0226: @NickScurfield I heard sports radio 610 said Vickers signed. Not true?

better than this.
5 minutes ago - by Brandon Williams - Texans dispute claim that they've signed FB Vickers
Nick Scurfield of the Texans media relations department reports that, contrary to a report on Sports Radio 610 AM, the Texans have not signed free agent FB Lawrence Vickers. Vickers is in town, however and did take a physical this morning. Texans RapidReports

Notice that Nick doesn't say there isn't a deal. He just says it hasn't been announced by the Texans.

michaelm
08-02-2011, 01:10 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get any work done today, unless this situation is resolved one way or the other.
Thankfully, I have an office to myself, upstairs away from any passing traffic, and can pretty much do as I please as long as my work gets done... eventually.

The Pencil Neck
08-02-2011, 01:13 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get any work done today, unless this situation is resolved one way or the other.
Thankfully, I have an office to myself, upstairs away from any passing traffic, and can pretty much do as I please as long as my work gets done... eventually.

^^^ This

Except I work from home and the people I work for are in LA. I'm "cleaning up my task list" right now.

BrwnsTown
08-02-2011, 01:22 PM
I wasn't certain on what type of running style Foster had, so I checked up on some highlights of Foster last year as well as the highlights of Hillis.

I don't see your running game missing a beat with Vickers. Actually I think Vickers will get to the point of attack quicker than Leach did giving Foster multiple options on cutting back or following the block.

Vickers seems like a perfect match, it will be sad to see him go, but I much rather have him go to Texas then in our division.

Even though we play in each other in week 9 it should be a good game if both teams are healthy with a nice contrast in running games with Hillis a bruiser and Foster's cutting ability and speed..

GhostRaider2007
08-02-2011, 01:24 PM
That post was a fake.

Link:
https://twitter.com/#!/Texansvoice/status/98457114590191616

@Texansvoice

To be clear: @SportsRadio610 has NOT reported that the Texans signed Vickers! @CBSSportsNFLHou @NickScurfield @BHolden0226

3 minutes ago

Errant Hothy
08-02-2011, 01:45 PM
John McClain
FB Lawrence Vickers is visiting the Texans today. He's getting a physical. GM Rick Smith and agent Drew Rosenhaus are negotiating.

Might be done soon?

gary
08-02-2011, 01:57 PM
Might be done soon?I hope so and then sign Warren.

Ole Miss Texan
08-02-2011, 02:00 PM
I wasn't certain on what type of running style Foster had, so I checked up on some highlights of Foster last year as well as the highlights of Hillis.

I don't see your running game missing a beat with Vickers. Actually I think Vickers will get to the point of attack quicker than Leach did giving Foster multiple options on cutting back or following the block.

Vickers seems like a perfect match, it will be sad to see him go, but I much rather have him go to Texas then in our division.

Even though we play in each other in week 9 it should be a good game if both teams are healthy with a nice contrast in running games with Hillis a bruiser and Foster's cutting ability and speed..
Thanks for your interest in the Texans. I noticed the same thing when I targeted big #47 in all the Hillis highlights I could find. I think he'd fit perfectly here in Houston and we wouldn't miss a beat. There has been a lot said about Leach's presence "in the locker room". From what I can tell Vickers is a fairly outspoke guy, rallies his team before the game and pumps them up. I think we could use that with Leach gone!
Might be done soon?
This is GREAT news!

michaelm
08-02-2011, 02:02 PM
I'm actually kind of optimistic about the Texans chances of landing Vickers.
We have a lot to offer a guy who thinks the way he does about the FB position in general, and competing to be the best FB in the league.

1- Proven offense
2- Offense capable of making a FB an all pro
3- Stepping directly into the position vacated by current pro bowler, which allows him to showcase his talents in an apples to apples comparison to that pro bowl player. He says he wants to be the best. What better way than stepping right into Vonta's roster spot, and proving you can do better?
4- He's from Beaumont, so proximity to home might be a factor. He might even be a Texans fan?

pbat488
08-02-2011, 02:04 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400.gif

Ole Miss Texan
08-02-2011, 02:33 PM
I'm actually kind of optimistic about the Texans chances of landing Vickers.
We have a lot to offer a guy who thinks the way he does about the FB position in general, and competing to be the best FB in the league.

1- Proven offense
2- Offense capable of making a FB an all pro
3- Stepping directly into the position vacated by current pro bowler, which allows him to showcase his talents in an apples to apples comparison to that pro bowl player. He says he wants to be the best. What better way than stepping right into Vonta's roster spot, and proving you can do better?
4- He's from Beaumont, so proximity to home might be a factor. He might even be a Texans fan?
So true. We're clearly an offense that uses the FB position and appreciates it so that ease some of his 'disgruntled' feeling that he was underutilized in Cleveland. The fanbase loved Leach and really wants Vickers here, he even said in an interview posted on their website "who knows the fullback?"... Mr. Vickers... WE DO!!

Big Lou
08-02-2011, 02:40 PM
I'm actually kind of optimistic about the Texans chances of landing Vickers.
We have a lot to offer a guy who thinks the way he does about the FB position in general, and competing to be the best FB in the league.

1- Proven offense
2- Offense capable of making a FB an all pro
3- Stepping directly into the position vacated by current pro bowler, which allows him to showcase his talents in an apples to apples comparison to that pro bowl player. He says he wants to be the best. What better way than stepping right into Vonta's roster spot, and proving you can do better?
4- He's from Beaumont, so proximity to home might be a factor. He might even be a Texans fan?
5- It's not Cleveland........



Fixed it for you.....

michaelm
08-02-2011, 02:41 PM
Fixed it for you.....

Lol. Rep you if I wasn't on my iPhone.

CloakNNNdagger
08-02-2011, 03:55 PM
The Colts picked up a sorry LB from Eagles........Ernie Sims. I can se Vickers blow him up into unrecognizable pieces.

gary
08-02-2011, 04:08 PM
Anything news?

DX-TEX
08-02-2011, 04:12 PM
Stop bumping this thread unless you have new news please.

gary
08-02-2011, 04:18 PM
Stop bumping this thread unless you have new news please.
I didn't know you were a moderator.

DX-TEX
08-02-2011, 04:23 PM
I didn't know you were a moderator.

I asked nicely and said please. :(

gary
08-02-2011, 04:32 PM
I asked nicely and said please. :(Right, but sometimes a thread is bumped because maybe others know more than them. Make sense? Not to be a butt hole but there is not a thread bumping rule.

The Pencil Neck
08-02-2011, 04:36 PM
Right, but sometimes a thread is bumped because maybe others know more than them. Make sense? Not to be a butt hole but there is not a thread bumping rule.

I think DX_TX was just kinda joking because whenever the thread gets bumped it causes people to think there's news and then they get let down when there isn't.

DX-TEX
08-02-2011, 04:38 PM
I think DX_TX was just kinda joking because whenever the thread gets bumped it causes people to think there's news and then they get let down when there isn't.

Give this man a cookie.:smooch:

Errant Hothy
08-02-2011, 04:39 PM
Give this man a cookie.:smooch:

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/5/4/129174996363840850.jpg

Done.

michaelm
08-02-2011, 04:40 PM
I think DX_TX was just kinda joking because whenever the thread gets bumped it causes people to think there's news and then they get let down when there isn't.

You'd think folks would know that most bumps don't equate to new news. Especially people who have been around a while. I know I never expect a new post to have new info. When it happens, I'm pleasantly surprised.

Trap_Star
08-02-2011, 04:42 PM
bump.

gary
08-02-2011, 04:44 PM
I think DX_TX was just kinda joking because whenever the thread gets bumped it causes people to think there's news and then they get let down when there isn't.I understand but many threads that are several years old get bumped sometimes just because it doesn't matter though. Oh boy, football season needs to hurry up and get here.

DX-TEX
08-02-2011, 04:44 PM
bump.

http://lokisbruid.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/i_see_what_you_did_there_super.jpg

Trap_Star
08-02-2011, 04:47 PM
Seriously tho, whats the word on the situation?

Errant Hothy
08-02-2011, 04:49 PM
Seriously tho, whats the word on the situation?

No news since McClain said he was here and Smith was talking to Rosenhaus.

Playoffs
08-02-2011, 06:27 PM
Ca mon, man! :foottap:

Doppelganger
08-02-2011, 08:55 PM
I'm with you. I kinda think it's done. Just need to dot some i's and cross some t's.

Knock on wood.


If you have jinxed this, I'm going to hunt you down and say bad things to you.

:strangle:

Cmon, people let's get away from the Magical Thinking and progress to the Concrete Operational stage of Piaget's Cogntiive Development model!

Can anyone tell I am studying for an exam?!

The Pencil Neck
08-02-2011, 09:10 PM
Cmon, people let's get away from the Magical Thinking and progress to the Concrete Operational stage of Piaget's Cogntiive Development model!

Can anyone tell I am studying for an exam?!

Not really. But it's pretty clear you're about to fail one.













:jk:

Pantherstang84
08-02-2011, 09:14 PM
Please Rick Smith get this deal done. Go shake down some current players on the roster for cap space if needed. Get this guy in steel blue.

Unleash the beast.

GP
08-02-2011, 09:51 PM
I keep watching my twitter (Schefter and Mort) thinking each tweet is going to be Vickers signing with some oddball like 49ers or Rams.

With Ty Warren being off the market, I wonder if Vickers' agent is going to come back at Houston and demand more money since there'll likely be more on the table without having Warren on the roster.

I've been adamant from the beginning: Vickers adds tremendously more value to this team than Ty Warren could provide.

If James Casey is going to be the guy, he has to be clutch. He has to immerse himself in the role. Otherwise, this could be our undoing. A lead blocker who takes on LBs and removes them from the play is what makes a running game go. Look at the Browns: Hillis gained 140 yards on the Ravens with Vickers lead blocking. In their second matchup, Ravens sold out on the run...but the Browns don't have the passing game WE have either.

Vickers is a difference maker.

Texecutioner
08-02-2011, 09:56 PM
If James Casey is going to be the guy, he has to be clutch. He has to immerse himself in the role. Otherwise, this could be our undoing. A lead blocker who takes on LBs and removes them from the play is what makes a running game go. Look at the Browns: Hillis gained 140 yards on the Ravens with Vickers lead blocking. In their second matchup, Ravens sold out on the run...but the Browns don't have the passing game WE have either.

Vickers is a difference maker.

Totally agreed!! Vickers is a damn good FB and a difference maker like Leach but just not in stats. Bring him on!! Come on, I'm supposed to be seeing this "new and improved" Rick Smith that is a deal maker!! :fans:

beerlover
08-02-2011, 10:02 PM
I keep watching my twitter (Schefter and Mort) thinking each tweet is going to be Vickers signing with some oddball like 49ers or Rams.

With Ty Warren being off the market, I wonder if Vickers' agent is going to come back at Houston and demand more money since there'll likely be more on the table without having Warren on the roster.

I've been adamant from the beginning: Vickers adds tremendously more value to this team than Ty Warren could provide.

If James Casey is going to be the guy, he has to be clutch. He has to immerse himself in the role. Otherwise, this could be our undoing. A lead blocker who takes on LBs and removes them from the play is what makes a running game go. Look at the Browns: Hillis gained 140 yards on the Ravens with Vickers lead blocking. In their second matchup, Ravens sold out on the run...but the Browns don't have the passing game WE have either.

Vickers is a difference maker.

Maybe you could raise collection to help Bob make up the difference? Honestly if cap restrictions are applicable don't know why they don't release Slaton, dreaming if they think he's worth 6th/7th rd. Pick. His agent Drew Rosencopter is spinning two, maybe three teams around this guy. It's going to take more money than expected otherwise Vickers would already be a Texan :logo:

CloakNNNdagger
08-03-2011, 07:42 AM
This doesn't sound like a very excited presentation by McClain, of our chances to get Vickers. I hope I'm wrong.

Vickers pays a visit (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7681059.html#ixzz1Ty8h52te)

Fullback Lawrence Vickers, who played his first five seasons with Cleveland and resides in Houston, visited the Texans on Tuesday. He took a physical. General manager Rick Smith continued to speak with agent Drew Rosenhaus.

"My job is to continue to always try to get better," Smith said. "We'll continue to look, and I think there are some areas on our team that we might be able to improve, depth-wise.

"You mention the fullback position, and we've got (Vickers) taking a physical now. We'll talk with him and visit with him later. We'll continue to try to upgrade our roster constantly."

Texas T
08-03-2011, 08:00 AM
This doesn't sound like a very excited presentation by McClain, of our chances to get Vickers. I hope I'm wrong.

I wouldn't read too much into it for two reasons:
1. It is McClain
2. No donuts involved

Playoffs
08-03-2011, 08:28 AM
Rick Smith coming up on 610.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 08:50 AM
Saying that the Door is Open for Vickers. Probably means they are going to actually sign him (or try to anyway).

@NFAuthority NFAuthority
RT @DanielWolfNFL: Per reports, former #Browns FB Vickers is meeting w/ #Texans & taking a physical b4 finalizing a new deal.

Ole Miss Texan
08-03-2011, 09:08 AM
This doesn't sound like a very excited presentation by McClain, of our chances to get Vickers. I hope I'm wrong.

Rick Smith was just on 610 about a half hour ago and Vickers was brought up. The way I read Smith's words and tone it sounded like we liked him and were hopeful he'd come aboard.

Smith did play the "we're looking to upgrade every position" when talking about just about any player or position.

HOU-TEX
08-03-2011, 09:14 AM
I'm sure we low-balled him considering how much we've already spent and the restructuring that needs to be done.

BTW, glad we are because the Broncos paid out the poop shoot for Warren. Damn

CloakNNNdagger
08-03-2011, 09:16 AM
Saying that the Door is Open for Vickers. Probably means they are going to actually sign him (or try to anyway).

That tweet came off about 10 minutes ago. Unfortunately, the news is already 24 hours old.

CloakNNNdagger
08-03-2011, 09:18 AM
I'm sure we low-balled him considering how much we've already spent and the restructuring that needs to be done.

BTW, glad we are because the Broncos paid out the poop shoot for Warren. Damn

A low ball may not be the smartest move on Vickers and his potential for this team vs in the case of Warren.

michaelm
08-03-2011, 10:20 AM
YEEEEESSSS!

Per McClain Tweet:

Texans have agreed on a two- year contract witn FB Lawrence Vickers.



McClain_on_NFL: Texans have agreed on a two- year contract witn FB Lawrence Vickers.
Original Tweet: http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/statuses/98775094222000128

Errant Hothy
08-03-2011, 10:21 AM
It's burger time (thanks LZ for making me hungry this morning)!

Playoffs
08-03-2011, 10:22 AM
Bam!

Good sign, Rick.

False Start
08-03-2011, 10:25 AM
Right on! :yes: :jam:

76Texan
08-03-2011, 10:27 AM
One less thing to worry about!

Ole Miss Texan
08-03-2011, 10:29 AM
:clap::splits::respect:

b0ng
08-03-2011, 10:31 AM
Just as an FYI Browns fans are as sad to see Vickers go as we were to see Leach go.

TheMatrix31
08-03-2011, 10:31 AM
Good stuff. Don't know how he stacks up to Vonta, but at least we're going in with a real FB.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 10:32 AM
Good stuff. Don't know how he stacks up to Vonta, but at least we're going in with a real FB.

Same style of player as Vonta but not as good.

ChampionTexan
08-03-2011, 10:33 AM
Just as an FYI Browns fans are as sad to see Vickers go as we were to see Leach go.

Who?

:jk:

gary
08-03-2011, 10:34 AM
Braylon Edwards is still out there go sign him for a backup plan to AJ. That would be the best off season maybe ever just for insurance.

Dutchrudder
08-03-2011, 10:35 AM
Sweet, it will be interesting to see what his contract is worth in comparison to Leach.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 10:35 AM
Sweet, it will be interesting to see what his contract is worth in comparison to Leach.

This is what I'm interested in as well. If it's for 2 years <$6m then I'm fine with it.

2slik4u
08-03-2011, 10:37 AM
This is what I'm interested in as well. If it's for 2 years <$6m then I'm fine with it.

signed - TWO YEAR DEAL

GuerillaBlack
08-03-2011, 10:37 AM
Braylon Edwards is still out there go sign him for a backup plan to AJ. That would be the best off season maybe ever just for insurance.

This. Or talk to Moss' agent and convince him to come out of retirement. Signing either Moss or Edwards would mean they must trade Jacoby Jones. And I'm sure Jones has some value around the league.

michaelm
08-03-2011, 10:37 AM
Same style of player as Vonta but not as good.

Generally agree with your assessment, except I believe Vickers has more ability to carry and catch the ball.
If you think back to when Kubiak first became HC, his prototypical FB was one that could catch the ball out of the backfield. He wanted more of an H-back than fullback.
Vonta was just too good to keep off the field, so Kubiak adjusted to what Vonta was able to do one the field.
I think you'll see Vickers get quite a few more touches than Vonta. Vickers doesn't currently have the reputation as a ball handler, but IIRC, he caught the ball quite a bit in college, and I'm betting he still has the ability.
I think Kubiak will work some of this into his game plan.

CloakNNNdagger
08-03-2011, 10:38 AM
thank goodness!!!!!!!! Mods, please change the title of the thread!!

Errant Hothy
08-03-2011, 10:39 AM
John McClain
Vickers' deal is two years, $3 million and &500,000 to sign.

So anybody have an updated cap situation for the Texans as of now?

gary
08-03-2011, 10:41 AM
This. Or talk to Moss' agent and convince him to come out of retirement. Signing either Moss or Edwards would mean they must trade Jacoby Jones. And I'm sure Jones has some value around the league.I just don't trust Jones if Johnson goes down.

CloakNNNdagger
08-03-2011, 10:41 AM
Braylon Edwards is still out there go sign him for a backup plan to AJ. That would be the best off season maybe ever just for insurance.

Agreed, But it may be somewhat beyond our pocketbook.

TheMatrix31
08-03-2011, 10:43 AM
Generally agree with your assessment, except I believe Vickers has more ability to carry and catch the ball.
If you think back to when Kubiak first became HC, his prototypical FB was one that could catch the ball out of the backfield. He wanted more of an H-back than fullback.
Vonta was just too good to keep off the field, so Kubiak adjusted to what Vonta was able to do one the field.
I think you'll see Vickers get quite a few more touches than Vonta. Vickers doesn't currently have the reputation as a ball handler, but IIRC, he caught the ball quite a bit in college, and I'm betting he still has the ability.
I think Kubiak will work some of this into his game plan.


Good. I love that versatility.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 10:44 AM
Generally agree with your assessment, except I believe Vickers has more ability to carry and catch the ball.
If you think back to when Kubiak first became HC, his prototypical FB was one that could catch the ball out of the backfield. He wanted more of an H-back than fullback.
Vonta was just too good to keep off the field, so Kubiak adjusted to what Vonta was able to do one the field.
I think you'll see Vickers get quite a few more touches than Vonta. Vickers doesn't currently have the reputation as a ball handler, but IIRC, he caught the ball quite a bit in college, and I'm betting he still has the ability.
I think Kubiak will work some of this into his game plan.

That's mostly based of potential though. As far as I've seen with the Browns he's a decent lead blocker but he's not the battering ram that Vonta is. It's a small step down but I think it's good we still have a good blocking presence from our FB position.

Playoffs
08-03-2011, 10:44 AM
So anybody have an updated cap situation for the Texans as of now?
We were over the cap an hour ago per Rick Smith on 610 -- not sure if that included Vickers, but it was pre-announcement of his deal.

Smith said they're working on restructures now to get under the cap.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 10:44 AM
So anybody have an updated cap situation for the Texans as of now?

Rick Smith was on earlier saying we are over the cap as of right now.

EDIT: Love the signing, good deal and a nice discount from Vonta's salary in Balty. I think he'll work in our system.

Dutchrudder
08-03-2011, 10:45 AM
Braylon Edwards is still out there go sign him for a backup plan to AJ. That would be the best off season maybe ever just for insurance.

No thanks, we don't need a WR diva on this team. The best free agent WR out there is Malcolm Floyd, who I have not heard much about. He would be an excellent pickup, much better than Jacoby (but they already sunk the money into him). If Floyd gets a deal worth about the same per year as Jacoby's, then the Texans missed out on an obvious upgrade.

The Pencil Neck
08-03-2011, 10:45 AM
I haz a happy!

:smiliedance::hurrah::spin:

Errant Hothy
08-03-2011, 10:47 AM
We were over the cap an hour ago per Rick Smith on 610 -- not sure if that included Vickers, but it was pre-announcement of his deal.

Smith said they're working on restructures now to get under the cap.

That's what I thought.

Anybody know the timeline to be under the cap? I was thinking all teams had to be under the cap by tomorrow.

ChampionTexan
08-03-2011, 10:48 AM
So anybody have an updated cap situation for the Texans as of now?

As difficult as it is to know, it's made even more difficult by the fact that teams don't need to be under the cap until tomorrow (8/4).

Per Rick Smith's interview on 610 this morning (prior to the announcement of Vickers signing), they're currently over the cap, and working on restructuring agreements to deal with that.

While I didn't hear Smith didn't mention cutting anyone - even in general terms - it could also be the end for Slaton (although for the record, I'm hoping he'll at least get a chance to play the preseason games for the Texans).

b0ng
08-03-2011, 10:48 AM
That's what I thought.

Anybody know the timeline to be under the cap? I was thinking all teams had to be under the cap by tomorrow.

Like 4pm August 4th is supposedly the hour we need to be under the cap.

Ole Miss Texan
08-03-2011, 10:49 AM
If I'm not mistaken I believe Vickers actually had more receptions than carries in Cleveland. I'm super pumped about this signing and I don't think we're going to miss a single beat. I'll be the first person to say Leach is an awesome awesome FB and I loved him on this team, but he's not irreplaceable guys. He could hit the snot out of anybody and don't for a second think that our running game is going to diminish because we have Vickers instead of Leach.

As far as our cap situation goes, I don't think we should be too concerned about it. Olsen's been working on that and we should easily be able to be in compliance with cap rules.

gary
08-03-2011, 10:50 AM
Agreed, But it may be somewhat beyond our pocketbook.I don't know about the current cap but it would be nice to have another good receiver on this team.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 10:52 AM
I don't know about the current cap but it would be nice to have another good receiver on this team.

As much hate as you guys heap on Walters and Jones they are not terrible #2 and #3 WR's. If OD is healthy as he was at the end of last year he's going to be option #2 after AJ, and Arian Foster is probably going to be option #3. We do not need to spend millions and millions of dollars on a guy like Braylon Edwards to be the option #4, a guy who always seems to have off field issues wherever he goes.

michaelm
08-03-2011, 10:53 AM
That's mostly based of potential though. As far as I've seen with the Browns he's a decent lead blocker but he's not the battering ram that Vonta is. It's a small step down but I think it's good we still have a good blocking presence from our FB position.

Agreed on the potential thing. Most of what I said is based on my own opinion. I haven't seen or heard anything pertaining to Vickers handling the ball.
I just think he has more ball handling ability than Leach, and think that Kubiak will want to utilize that if possible.
Call it a prediction or WAG on my part.

Errant Hothy
08-03-2011, 10:53 AM
I don't know about the current cap but it would be nice to have another good receiver on this team.

Edwards was not good last season, at all. I think a bunch of people are underplaying the return of OD and undervaluing the ability of KW.

gary
08-03-2011, 10:54 AM
No thanks, we don't need a WR diva on this team. The best free agent WR out there is Malcolm Floyd, who I have not heard much about. He would be an excellent pickup, much better than Jacoby (but they already sunk the money into him). If Floyd gets a deal worth about the same per year as Jacoby's, then the Texans missed out on an obvious upgrade.I'll take Floyd too.

phantom17
08-03-2011, 10:54 AM
Thank goodness if he signs! Now I can sleep much better!:specnatz:

Trap_Star
08-03-2011, 10:55 AM
http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af284/s_thatcher/south_park_stan.jpg

Nawzer
08-03-2011, 10:56 AM
Good deal. Now let's get another inside linebacker and I'll be very happy with our offseason.

vupac1
08-03-2011, 11:00 AM
HELL EFFIN YEAAHHH!!

Great signing!:texanbill:

CloakNNNdagger
08-03-2011, 11:01 AM
Agreed on the potential thing. Most of what I said is based on my own opinion. I haven't seen or heard anything pertaining to Vickers handling the ball.
I just think he has more ball handling ability than Leach, and think that Kubiak will want to utilize that if possible.
Call it a prediction or WAG on my part.

A criticism that I had with Vonta is that once he caught the ball and took a couple of steps, he sure seemed to go down quickly and easily. Vickers is quicker/faster and hopefully can gain greater yardage before going down.

gary
08-03-2011, 11:03 AM
Edwards was not good last season, at all. I think a bunch of people are underplaying the return of OD and undervaluing the ability of KW.Why not Floyd? Shaub> than Sanchez.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 11:04 AM
Why not Floyd? Shaub> than Sanchez.

Floyd is going to want way more money than 3 years $10mil.

Mr. Texan
08-03-2011, 11:05 AM
good pickup :bender:

Dutchrudder
08-03-2011, 11:05 AM
Floyd is going to want way more money than 3 years $10mil.

Doesn't seem like the market is all that hot for him. I think he's going to settle for a low money deal with the Chargers.

michaelm
08-03-2011, 11:07 AM
A criticism that I had with Vonta is that once he caught the ball and took a couple of steps, he sure seemed to go down quickly and easily. Vickers is quicker/faster and hopefully can gain greater yardage before going down.

Definitely agreed.
With Vonta, I never had a lack of confidence with his ball handling ability, or feared that he was going to fumble (Jacoby), but I knew he was going to run in a straight line until the first tackler made contact.

Errant Hothy
08-03-2011, 11:08 AM
Why not Floyd? Shaub> than Sanchez.

The money would have to be right, and only after the team addressed certain other needs first (more depth at ILB, quality depth at G).

I'm not convinced that WR#2 is as mcuh of a need as others on the board, and I'm not convinced any of the WRs still on the market would be a good insurance policy for AJ.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 11:08 AM
Doesn't seem like the market is all that hot for him. I think he's going to settle for a low money deal with the Chargers.

He could very well be waiting for injuries to happen around TC's before he decides to lowball himself back to the Chargers and being behind VJax and Gates in terms of receiving options.

Either way, with the Vickers signing and Smith saying we are already over the cap, I doubt a Floyd, Edwards, or any name WR is going to be signing with us this season.