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Wolf
07-30-2011, 08:36 AM
Ty Warren | DE 2010 Team: New England Exp: 8 years
Analysis: Warren, a member of the Patriots since 2003 and a part of two of the team's three championship seasons, was released by the team Friday.

The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported that Warren failed his physical with the Patriots, and would be interested in playing for either the Cowboys or Texans (Warren is a Texas native and played collegiately at Texas A&M).

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency?module=HP11_cp

Honoring Earl 34
07-30-2011, 08:39 AM
http://www.nfl.com/freeagency?module=HP11_cp

I'd take him in a second if I felt he wasn't here as a last resort like some others that have come this way .

Rey
07-30-2011, 08:39 AM
I'll pass.

BigBull17
07-30-2011, 08:40 AM
I sign him yesterday. Big kid. I know he played end for them, but since Wade likes smaller NT, maybe he can play some nose for us.

Doppelganger
07-30-2011, 08:41 AM
"Warren failed his physical with the Patriots"

So, why would we want him?

Errant Hothy
07-30-2011, 08:43 AM
I'd be very cautious.

leebigeztx
07-30-2011, 08:45 AM
I sign him yesterday. Big kid. I know he played end for them, but since Wade likes smaller NT, maybe he can play some nose for us.

Typical texans fans. Wade hade ted washignton,pat williams,and jamaal williams, yet people want to take a really good 5 technique and make him a nt? He's better than any 5 technique the texans have. He's played at a high level, still pretty good and he's from the area. Why on earth would he play the nt is beyond me. As I said earlier and in previous post, the texans need to see the cost to cut smith or trade him and bring warren in.

Errant Hothy
07-30-2011, 08:50 AM
Typical texans fans. Wade hade ted washignton,pat williams,and jamaal williams, yet people want to take a really good 5 technique and make him a nt? He's better than any 5 technique the texans have. He's played at a high level, still pretty good and he's from the area. Why on earth would he play the nt is beyond me. As I said earlier and in previous post, the texans need to see the cost to cut smith or trade him and bring warren in.

Trade for a player who missed all of last season with a hip injury and just failed a physical? Why?

Rey
07-30-2011, 08:51 AM
Can't trade for him, he's a free agent.

El Tejano
07-30-2011, 08:54 AM
Just go over there, and turn over the rock and leaf and if he's got something bring him on. I want a stout defense. A very strong defense. Right now, he would be good depth. We just signed Tim Bulman but Warren is much better than him. That would give us some very good rotation.

fiasco west
07-30-2011, 08:56 AM
Typical texans fans. Wade hade ted washignton,pat williams,and jamaal williams, yet people want to take a really good 5 technique and make him a nt? He's better than any 5 technique the texans have. He's played at a high level, still pretty good and he's from the area. Why on earth would he play the nt is beyond me. As I said earlier and in previous post, the texans need to see the cost to cut smith or trade him and bring warren in.

You want to cut our 2nd best Dlinemen for a player that didn't pass a physical and was injured all last season?

I'm all for bringing in Ty, but at a bargain price.

leebigeztx
07-30-2011, 08:59 AM
Trade for a player who missed all of last season with a hip injury and just failed a physical? Why?

In the nfl, teams will fail a guy on a physical to get rid of his contract. There have been a lot of players fail a teams physical, get cut, and pass 10 other teams physical. Its the way they do business. He missed last season, but sidney rice missed most of last year with a hip and sill got paid. Cromrtie his last yr in sd had a. Hip problem, goes to the jets and plays well. Bring him in, check him out with your doctors, and if he checks out, sign him. He will be the best lineman not named mario on the roster.

srrono
07-30-2011, 09:00 AM
You want to cut our 2nd best Dlinemen for a player that didn't pass a physical and was injured all last season?

I'm all for bringing in Ty, but at a bargain price.

well if he can pass physical here and is on the cheap I would like the depth.

ChampionTexan
07-30-2011, 09:04 AM
In the nfl, teams will fail a guy on a physical to get rid of his contract. There have been a lot of players fail a teams physical, get cut, and pass 10 other teams physical. Its the way they do business.

Why would they need to have a player fail a physical to get rid of his contract?

leebigeztx
07-30-2011, 09:06 AM
You want to cut our 2nd best Dlinemen for a player that didn't pass a physical and was injured all last season?

I'm all for bringing in Ty, but at a bargain price.

Smith didn't play to his contrract and now he's about to play the 3-4. In arizona, they play a lot of hybrid and he played average except for a playoff game or so. They let him walk and his replacement outplayed him, campbell. What are the texans expecting out of a 270lbs 5 technique? Show me a top ranked 3-4 with a 5 technique at 274. There aren't any in the league. So now they have to insert the safety in the box to protect not only a small de, but a small nt. Now the backend is exposed again. Think players, not schemes.

leebigeztx
07-30-2011, 09:08 AM
Why would they need to have a player fail a physical to get rid of his contract?

The same way they put a guy on the pup list because of a conditioning test. The nfl does things like that all the time. Everyones physical is different and most times, its a reason to dump a player.

ChampionTexan
07-30-2011, 09:12 AM
The same way they put a guy on the pup list because of a conditioning test. The nfl does things like that all the time. Everyones physical is different and most times, its a reason to dump a player.

But you said they fail a player to get rid of his contract. Why would they bother with blaming it on a physical when virtually every contract in the NFL can be terminated for any reason without further financial obligation?

Also - give me a single example where a player has been placed on the PUP list because of a failed conditioning test.

Texan4Ever
07-30-2011, 09:25 AM
"Warren failed his physical with the Patriots"

So, why would we want him?



Maybe this isn't a fair comparison but Willie Roaf (OF) failed his physical which is why we couldn't draft him in the expansion draft and look at how his career went.

I would bring him in and get Wade's opinion on him and, if he signs a cheap contract it couldn't hurt to have him.

Wolf
07-30-2011, 09:36 AM
Warren Big Ben APThe release of Patriots DL Ty Warren was stunning in itself, even if the veteran was set to earn a hefty salary. But his explanation as to why it happened was even more surprising.

Warren texted a statement to colleague Karen Guregian, and most of it has been on Twitter. The most amazing thing? He indicates the Pats could move to a different defensive system.

Here are his words:

“I appreciate the Pats through the years,” Warren told the Herald. “They’re doing some things defensively and choose to go in a different direction. I thank the Krafts for the opportunity and drafting me in 2003. It was a pleasure. I will be moving on to bigger and better things. We are sorting out and will look forward to wearing a contending NFL team jersey this fall.”

Warren did fail his conditioning test, as the Star-Telegram reported, but Warren said it was because of his hamstring.

He added that “there’s people who failed running tests and who have stuck around.” He just believes the Patriots were looking to go in a different direction, based on the recent moves, and “I wasn’t in their plans.”

Look for him to land on a contender… A good guy, he’ll be missed in the locker room. But he didn’t play a snap on the field last year.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2011/07/29/breaking-news-ex-patriots-dl-ty-warren-thanks-team-will-be-moving-on/

CloakNNNdagger
07-30-2011, 10:12 AM
And Smith isn't done.

As much attention as Joseph and Manning will deservedly receive, building depth through the roster is as important as upgrading the starters.

You don't want to be an ankle injury from falling apart.

The Patriots released Ty Warren on Friday. As we have talked about many times, the veteran defensive end from Bryan, who played at Texas A&M, would love to play in Houston.

The Texans have two players slated to start at defensive end in their new 3-4 scheme — Antonio Smith and rookie J.J. Watt - who have never started at those positions.

Warren is the type of veteran pickup that smart teams make. The Texans did re-sign Tim Bulman on Friday, giving the team depth at the position, but Warren is a better 3-4 end than anyone on the roster.

The better the Texans are up front, the better Joseph, Manning, second-year cornerback Kareem Jackson and third-year man Glover Quin, who shifts to safety, will be on the back end.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7676193.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Fspfbtxfron t+%28HoustonChronicle.com+--+Houston+Texans+Football%29#ixzz1TbMuB1x0
(http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7676193.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Fspfbtxfron t+%28HoustonChronicle.com+--+Houston+Texans+Football%29#ixzz1TbMuB1x0)

leebigeztx
07-30-2011, 10:16 AM
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2011/07/29/breaking-news-ex-patriots-dl-ty-warren-thanks-team-will-be-moving-on/

I rest my case. The pats might play more 4-3 and on 3rd downs do the radar type tuff like cpers. 2-4-5 with vince and albert eating up 4 blockers and the bs standing around. As I stated before, he's better than any lineman not named wiliams.

b0ng
07-30-2011, 10:17 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7676193.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Fspfbtxfron t+%28HoustonChronicle.com+--+Houston+Texans+Football%29#ixzz1TbMuB1x0
(http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7676193.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Fspfbtxfron t+%28HoustonChronicle.com+--+Houston+Texans+Football%29#ixzz1TbMuB1x0)

I thought the cards ran a hybrid system that had both alignments in there when they went to the SB with Antonio.

Also, ignore leebig, they have been saying to cut Antonio over and over and over again with no real reasoning behind it.

leebigeztx
07-30-2011, 10:47 AM
I thought the cards ran a hybrid system that had both alignments in there when they went to the SB with Antonio.

Also, ignore leebig, they have been saying to cut Antonio over and over and over again with no real reasoning behind it.

I'm going to assume u understand simple football. I will also assume that you watch the league, not just the texans. The yr pendergrass ran the cards defense, it was a hybrid. That superbowl yr, DD was a man possessed inside and they were still middle of the pack. Smith had a couple of sacks inthe postseason and raised his value. His best yr, he had 5 sacks. Last yr playing opposite mario he had 4 sacks as a de. Now the txans are a 3-4 team and he's not suppose to get sacks, right? One yr, warren had 7.5 in a 3-4 and made all pro. Not pro bowl, all pro. It will be asking a lot and expecting more out of smith than what he's capable. He would probably be a better player and more productive as a olb than a 5 tech. So even if they were to sign warren, they could stand smith up and the defense is better served. Either way, warren is and has proven to be a better player than smith,mitchell,cody,bulman, and whomever else not named mario.

DX-TEX
07-30-2011, 10:57 AM
5 minutes ago - by Brandon Williams - Ex-Pat DE expresses interesting in joining Texans
DE Ty Warren, who was released by the Patriots, has expressed an interest in playing with either the Texans or Cowboys, and is willing to play for the veteran's minimum. The nine-year veteran is a native of Bryan, Texas, which is less than two hours away from Houston. Texans RapidReports

Pay the man Rick!

ObsiWan
07-30-2011, 11:04 AM
He's worth a good, long, careful (watch that hip thing) look. If healthy, he'd be a nice addition to the rotation.

LikeMike
07-30-2011, 11:06 AM
For the vet minimum? Sure - check him out medically, if he`s alright, don`t let him leave without a contract.

dalemurphy
07-30-2011, 11:07 AM
I'm going to assume u understand simple football. I will also assume that you watch the league, not just the texans. The yr pendergrass ran the cards defense, it was a hybrid. That superbowl yr, DD was a man possessed inside and they were still middle of the pack. Smith had a couple of sacks inthe postseason and raised his value. His best yr, he had 5 sacks. Last yr playing opposite mario he had 4 sacks as a de. Now the txans are a 3-4 team and he's not suppose to get sacks, right? One yr, warren had 7.5 in a 3-4 and made all pro. Not pro bowl, all pro. It will be asking a lot and expecting more out of smith than what he's capable. He would probably be a better player and more productive as a olb than a 5 tech. So even if they were to sign warren, they could stand smith up and the defense is better served. Either way, warren is and has proven to be a better player than smith,mitchell,cody,bulman, and whomever else not named mario.

A.Smith was also the NFL leader in QB hits and among the leaders in pressures. Antonio is a highly versatile, high motor defensive lineman that should play very well as a 3-4 DE. By the way, after the bye week last season, teams were sliding protection away from Mario and towards Antonio. Check out the San Diego game when Mario gets manhandled by TEs over and over and over.


All that being said, if the Texans have an opportunity to sign Ty Warren for little money and he has the potential to be reasonably healthy, they MUST DO IT!!

gary
07-30-2011, 11:16 AM
When you Google his name the Cowboys come up funny.

srrono
07-30-2011, 01:35 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/785436-ty-warren-looking-to-make-an-impact-with-the-houston-texans

b0ng
07-30-2011, 01:41 PM
I'm going to assume u understand simple football. I will also assume that you watch the league, not just the texans. The yr pendergrass ran the cards defense, it was a hybrid. That superbowl yr, DD was a man possessed inside and they were still middle of the pack. Smith had a couple of sacks inthe postseason and raised his value. His best yr, he had 5 sacks. Last yr playing opposite mario he had 4 sacks as a de. Now the txans are a 3-4 team and he's not suppose to get sacks, right? One yr, warren had 7.5 in a 3-4 and made all pro. Not pro bowl, all pro. It will be asking a lot and expecting more out of smith than what he's capable. He would probably be a better player and more productive as a olb than a 5 tech. So even if they were to sign warren, they could stand smith up and the defense is better served. Either way, warren is and has proven to be a better player than smith,mitchell,cody,bulman, and whomever else not named mario.

First off, that year that Warren got 7.5 sacks was not 2010 it was 2006, and second even if we do pick up Ty Warren that does not signify that we have to cut Smith for some unexplained reason, he has already stated he would palay for vet min here:

5 minutes ago - by Brandon Williams - Ex-Pat DE expresses interesting in joining Texans
DE Ty Warren, who was released by the Patriots, has expressed an interest in playing with either the Texans or Cowboys, and is willing to play for the veteran's minimum. The nine-year veteran is a native of Bryan, Texas, which is less than two hours away from Houston. Texans RapidReports

There is literally no reason to cut Smith right now.

mussop
07-30-2011, 01:46 PM
This is a no-brainer. SIGN HIM NOW!!!!!

The1ApplePie
07-30-2011, 01:55 PM
Cut Amobi
Sign Warren

All is good

SheTexan
07-30-2011, 02:01 PM
I'd take him, BUT, only if CNNND checked him out!!! :hurrah:

:fans:

thunderkyss
07-30-2011, 02:49 PM
He's worth a good, long, careful (watch that hip thing) look. If healthy, he'd be a nice addition to the rotation.

We'll have a complete camp to determine if he's going to play or not.

I say bring him in, we need better quality on our DL Rotation.

Errant Hothy
07-30-2011, 02:53 PM
If he truly only wants the vet minimum and passes a medical, it needs to get done.

Brandon420tx
07-30-2011, 02:54 PM
Just because you can recognize a name (usually from Madden) doesn't mean that the player is automatically worth having on your team. Sometimes new unknown talent is what you need.

See - Arian Foster

Lucky
07-30-2011, 03:04 PM
Maybe this isn't a fair comparison but Willie Roaf (OF) failed his physical which is why we couldn't draft him in the expansion draft and look at how his career went.

I failed the Texans' physical.

Signed,
Willie Roaf (All-NFL 2002 - 2005)

I passed the Texans physical.

Tony Boselli (All Injured Reserve 2002 - 2003)

The Texans aren't really a "physical" team.

TexanSam
07-30-2011, 03:05 PM
Just because you can recognize a name (usually from Madden) doesn't mean that the player is automatically worth having on your team. Sometimes new unknown talent is what you need.

See - Arian Foster

It's not much of a risk signing for the veteran minimum. Plus he's played in the 3-4 before which few players on the Texans D have done outside of Antonio Smith. He adds depth to our D-line.

DX-TEX
07-30-2011, 03:06 PM
It's not much of a risk signing for the veteran minimum. Plus he's played in the 3-4 before which few players on the Texans D have done outside of Antonio Smith. He adds depth to our D-line.

And he actually wants to be here. Seems like he has lots of motivation.

cland
07-30-2011, 03:08 PM
Just because you can recognize a name (usually from Madden) doesn't mean that the player is automatically worth having on your team. Sometimes new unknown talent is what you need.

See - Arian Foster

I agree with the concept, but disagree in this particular case. Ty Warren is only 30 and if he passes a physical and plays for the vet minimum would be an absolute steal IMO. If for nothing else than to show JJ Watt how to play the 5-tech and on the upside to enter in to the DL rotation.

The last CBA had a salary cap discount for veteran players, if the new cap has the same, then Warren would cost next to nothing. Just choose a random player (how about Trindon Holiday) and you have an even sum deal.

b0ng
07-30-2011, 03:10 PM
Broncos are talking with him.

fiasco west
07-30-2011, 03:14 PM
Not sure what is going on....The dude says he's willing to take the vet minimum to play here? For the Texans?

This is a good feeling...to know that players think your team is a contender, for players to think of it as a privilege to play on your team. I could get used to this feeling.

painekiller
07-30-2011, 04:00 PM
I'm sorry but this seems like a no brainer.

Brandon420tx
07-30-2011, 04:01 PM
Vet minimum and an open roster spots makes this an ok signing if this happens. Didn't he fail a physical or something at NE before they released him?

I do get frustrated every offseason though, whenever a player who has had a good career in the past but is clearly on their downside is available all the "INSTANT UPGRADE!!" people come out of the woodwork

DX-TEX
07-30-2011, 04:01 PM
Yeah but I would imagine we would have heard something by now. he is in Denver today.

dalemurphy
07-30-2011, 04:35 PM
Torn labrum in the hip is a serious and often degenerate injury. He may be done... Or, the Texans may believe he is. The Patriots thought he was.

cland
07-30-2011, 04:38 PM
Vet minimum and an open roster spots makes this an ok signing if this happens. Didn't he fail a physical or something at NE before they released him?

I do get frustrated every offseason though, whenever a player who has had a good career in the past but is clearly on their downside is available all the "INSTANT UPGRADE!!" people come out of the woodwork

It's reported that he 'failed his physical' by not being able to complete his conditioning test, due to a hamstring pull. He's only 30 years old, has been dominant at the 3-4 DE position, and would provide a huge role model for rookie JJ Watt. If the Texans doctor's confirm, he's a gift horse at the veteran minimum.

ObsiWan
07-30-2011, 04:47 PM
Torn labrum in the hip is a serious and often degenerate injury. He may be done... Or, the Texans may believe he is. The Patriots thought he was.
found this
10. Ty Warren (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4471), DE, free agent

Injury: Torn labrum in right hip
Warren missed all of last season after tearing the labrum in his right hip. In the Patriots' 3-4 defense, the left end's primary responsibility is as a tackler and gap filler against the run, and Warren is one of the best in the league. New England had an above-average run defense in each of his first six seasons as a starter. During Warren's absence in 2010, the Patriots fell to 23rd after finishing ninth in 2008 and 13th in 2009. All indications are that he will be fully healed by the time training camp starts. However, he's 30 years old and has now had hip, groin and hernia surgeries in the past two calendar years, so optimism should be cautious. That lack of optimism may have been one reason that the Patriots dealt for Albert Haynesworth (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3543).



in this ESPN Insider article (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6813949/analyzing-top-10-nfl-injuries-watch); "Ten Biggest NFL Injuries to Watch"


DeMeco was on the list also...

6. DeMeco Ryans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9619), LB, Houston Texans (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/hou/houston-texans)

Injury: Torn left Achilles tendon
Defenses typically switch to the 3-4 based on the talent and depth of their linebacker corps. With three current or former Pro Bowlers among their four starters and second-round pick Brooks Reed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13997) likely providing pass rush off the bench, the 2011 Texans fit the bill. Ryans' recovery from a torn left Achilles tendon appears to be the only real question mark among the group. As the presumptive starter at weakside inside linebacker, his main responsibility will be as a tackling machine in run defense, a task that suits him perfectly.
Before his injury, Ryans was one of only two linebackers to have more than 400 total tackles from 2006 to 2009, and he helped the 2009 run defense to its second-best ranking in franchise history (16th). Last season, the Texans dropped eight spots to 24th.
Although he's still young and is now nine months removed from surgery, it's no guarantee that Ryans will return to his preinjury form this season: A 2009 study of NFL Achilles tendon injuries (http://fas.sagepub.com/content/2/6/283) found that a returning player's three-year production after surgery is an average of 50 percent worse than his three-year performance before surgery. If that happens with Ryans, Houston might again find itself as the NFL's breakout team that doesn't break out.

BigBull17
07-30-2011, 04:57 PM
Typical texans fans. Wade hade ted washignton,pat williams,and jamaal williams, yet people want to take a really good 5 technique and make him a nt? He's better than any 5 technique the texans have. He's played at a high level, still pretty good and he's from the area. Why on earth would he play the nt is beyond me. As I said earlier and in previous post, the texans need to see the cost to cut smith or trade him and bring warren in.

Yeah, crazy talk to say that we could look at him as nose since Wade has said he likes smaller guys there. I would be ok with a Smith trade if it improves your team, but a guy with an injury who failed a physical makes me hesitate to trade the guy infront of him and bring him in to start.

leebigeztx
07-30-2011, 05:07 PM
Yeah, crazy talk to say that we could look at him as nose since Wade has said he likes smaller guys there. I would be ok with a Smith trade if it improves your team, but a guy with an injury who failed a physical makes me hesitate to trade the guy infront of him and bring him in to start.

I think smith would make a better olb than mario. Once again the texans will be. Counting on a snot kid to do a mans job. Bj raji didn't play well or even decent till his 2nd season, but the texans are expecting jj to do be good his 1st season? Poor transition by the texans.

dalemurphy
07-30-2011, 05:27 PM
I think smith would make a better olb than mario. Once again the texans will be. Counting on a snot kid to do a mans job. Bj raji didn't play well or even decent till his 2nd season, but the texans are expecting jj to do be good his 1st season? Poor transition by the texans.

GB expected Clay Matthews to perform as a rookie.

Even crazier, they went with James Starks as Ryan Grant's primary backup to start the season. When Grant went down, they decided not to address the position before the trade deadline... How did those gambles work out?

Believe me, the Texans over-reliance on unproven youth (particularly on defense) has driven me nuts. But, there are times when even the best teams have to do some of that. It's early. They are trying to address the defense. Let's see what happens. Personally, I think Mario should be a DE and they should find another OLB to compete with Reed, Barwin, and maybe Anderson or Jamison.

BigBull17
07-30-2011, 05:39 PM
I think smith would make a better olb than mario. Once again the texans will be. Counting on a snot kid to do a mans job. Bj raji didn't play well or even decent till his 2nd season, but the texans are expecting jj to do be good his 1st season? Poor transition by the texans.

I actually like Mario better a's a DE in this system. Do you think Smith has more fluid movements and footwork at OLB? He does seem a little less stiff than Mario, truth be told. I think watt could be ok. He will be part of a rotation and not the savior.

Rey
07-30-2011, 05:42 PM
No way smith can play olb.

beerlover
07-30-2011, 05:48 PM
The Texans held their cards tight heading into the draft from making any bold statements where Mario would fit into Wade Phillips defense. Like many I thought he would make an excellent 3-4 DE playing the 5 technique. The Discussion had to come down to Watt or Cameron Jordan. I liked Jordan because he was a more natural stand-up athlete who could stand up & rotate with Mario & Antonio Smith. Watt is more of a pure 5 tech 3-4 DE so he remains constant, while Mario stands up, he kicks inside in four man fronts & Mario assumes his old role RDE. There is actually one more stud 5 tech who went much later to Philadelphia, of course, Muhammad Wilkerson, expect him to be a starter day one & battle to be one of this past draft class best rookies.

thunderkyss
07-30-2011, 06:00 PM
GB expected Clay Matthews to perform as a rookie.


Cushing actually had a better rookie season. Clay's sophomore season was monster.....

He played well as a rookie, but not Ndamakun Suh, Brian Cushing, Demeco Ryans, BJ Raji's sophomore year good.

thunderkyss
07-30-2011, 06:04 PM
I actually like Mario better a's a DE in this system. Do you think Smith has more fluid movements and footwork at OLB? He does seem a little less stiff than Mario, truth be told. I think watt could be ok. He will be part of a rotation and not the savior.

I like Watt at DE.... but I agree Mario should be the bookend. Those two coming off the line would be hard for anyone to handle.

I don't like Antonio as an OLB, I'd leave him as depth on the DL. Mark Anderson would take Mario's place at OLB.....

Brooks Reed, Connor Barwin, Mark Anderson, and Tim Bullman should be the OLB rotation.

But that's just me.

dalemurphy
07-30-2011, 06:14 PM
I like Watt at DE.... but I agree Mario should be the bookend. Those two coming off the line would be hard for anyone to handle.

I don't like Antonio as an OLB, I'd leave him as depth on the DL. Mark Anderson would take Mario's place at OLB.....

Brooks Reed, Connor Barwin, Mark Anderson, and Tim Bullman should be the OLB rotation.

But that's just me.

Tim Bulman is no OLB!! He's a converted DT. Remember, he's the guy that was playing in a 4 point stance at DE a couple years ago. Bulman was signed as DE depth only!!