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cland
07-28-2011, 07:39 PM
Looks like we're one of the finalists in signing him. With the cap savings of Jonathan Joseph over Aso, we can bring in 2 instead of 1.

link (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3696&line=207545&spln=1)

Brandon420tx
07-28-2011, 07:41 PM
Alright, I'll bite, either him or Dashon Gholdson then I'll be ecstatic about the JoJo signing. I'll just be mildly content if we end up with Sensabaugh

2slik4u
07-28-2011, 07:43 PM
Looks like we're one of the finalists in signing him. With the cap savings of Jonathan Joseph over Aso, we can bring in 2 instead of 1.

link (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3696&line=207545&spln=1)

This is exactly what I was thinking. I would rather have JJ and Manning over Aso.

Two great players to shore up our defense.....championship.

cland
07-28-2011, 07:46 PM
Looks like Dashon Goldson already agreed to a big contract with the Raiders, too bad because he was one of my earlier wants.

Brandon420tx
07-28-2011, 07:48 PM
Looks like Dashon Goldson already agreed to a big contract with the Raiders, too bad because he was one of my earlier wants.

someone get me the darth vader NOOOOOO please

brakos82
07-28-2011, 07:55 PM
someone get me the darth vader NOOOOOO please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

Brandon420tx
07-28-2011, 07:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

Rep your way good sir

Dutchrudder
07-28-2011, 07:56 PM
Some manning on manning action would be sweet.

cland
07-28-2011, 08:02 PM
An older article, but it describes D Manning as being a pass coverage strong safety: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/04/17/secret-superstar-danieal-manning-chicago-bears/

redwhiteANDblue
07-28-2011, 08:06 PM
maybe sign manning and move him to FS and sign back pollard for dirt cheap. You have to admit pollard is a beast and we wont need him for coverage too much with jjo and manning. Glover can move down to #2 corner.

badboy
07-28-2011, 08:11 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/1107208
Has corner skills and speed 4.47 but played as SS. Looks like the twin safety type that Phillips said he's looking for. Good hip swivle.

cland
07-28-2011, 08:12 PM
maybe sign manning and move him to FS and sign back pollard for dirt cheap. You have to admit pollard is a beast and we wont need him for coverage too much with jjo and manning. Glover can move down to #2 corner.

If you watched some of the Pollard lowlights from last year, you'd take this statement back. I expect to see a Allen/Jackson/Harris showdown for the #2 postion. Add another safety and you've got solid pass coverage behind that player, and occasionally leaving Jonathan Joseph on an island.

The scheme expects the front 7 to stop the run.

redwhiteANDblue
07-28-2011, 08:21 PM
If you watched some of the Pollard lowlights from last year, you'd take this statement back. I expect to see a Allen/Jackson/Harris showdown for the #2 postion. Add another safety and you've got solid pass coverage behind that player, and occasionally leaving Jonathan Joseph on an island.

The scheme expects the front 7 to stop the run.

Last year he didn't have that corner top corner that he had in 2009 with dunta robinson. In 2009 he was a pro bowl safety in my opinion. The main reason i want him back is because hes a play maker. That blocked kick in the redskins game, the int against tom brady in the last game of the season in 2009, the fumble in the colts game by austin collie (i think). He makes plays that change games and he brings that tough attitude to the team that we've never had before

Playoffs
07-28-2011, 08:21 PM
Now this is who I really want .... specifically.

C'mon D'Man!

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 08:23 PM
Last year he didn't have that corner top corner that he had in 2009 with dunta robinson. In 2009 he was a pro bowl safety in my opinion. The main reason i want him back is because hes a play maker. That blocked kick in the redskins game, the int against tom brady in the last game of the season in 2009, the fumble in the colts game by austin collie (i think). He makes plays that change games and he brings that tough attitude to the team that we've never had before

agree

welsh texan
07-28-2011, 08:27 PM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/07/israel_id.html
Bears defensive end Israel Idonije is perfect, when it comes to finishing a tackle.

According to the website Pro Football Focus, Idonije is the only defender with at least 75 tackles over the last three years to not miss even one.

PFF analyzed all defenders with at least 75 attempted tackles, including sacks, over the past three seasons.

On the opposite spectrum, among defensive linemen, Amobi Okoye of the Houston Texans missed one of every eight attempts.

Bears safety Danieal Manning finished second among defensive backs, missing just 27 or one in every 27.57 attempts. And, not surprisingly, cornerback Charles Tillman was eighth among DBs with a miss, on average, every 18.5 tackle attempts.

Only one Bears defender made the dubious list. Lance Briggs had the most missed tackles (48) among linebackers, but his average (7.63) ranked fourth based on his number of tackle attempts. Among all the linebackers who made either list, Briggs finished tied for second with 277 solo tackles.

To see PFF's study, click

So he's among the best tacklers in the league, an area where we've been suspect historically.

Playoffs
07-28-2011, 08:36 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1118/nfl_u_bess12_300.jpg

redwhiteANDblue
07-28-2011, 08:37 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1118/nfl_u_bess12_300.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c7N15lh0Ts

Goatcheese
07-28-2011, 08:43 PM
http://28.media.tumblr.com/wj9Eqnxmgk38b9txgvsOcH7Zo1_250.gif

Wolf
07-28-2011, 08:50 PM
I wonder how Weddle's contract is going to impact the potential to sign Manning

xreadx
07-28-2011, 09:02 PM
http://youtu.be/g5kNObS3rik

Goatcheese
07-28-2011, 09:15 PM
An older article, but it describes D Manning as being a pass coverage strong safety: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/04/17/secret-superstar-danieal-manning-chicago-bears/

59.7 QB rating against him with 0 TDs?

Do want.

Wolf6151
07-28-2011, 09:21 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/1107208
Has corner skills and speed 4.47 but played as SS. Looks like the twin safety type that Phillips said he's looking for. Good hip swivle.

Thanks I didn't know much about him. This seems like a no brainer signing, get it done Rick.

Rey
07-28-2011, 09:21 PM
I really hope we get manning.

It's funny because I always get Joseph and manning when I play madden franchise mode.

Lol.

But really, both are very good football players.

Vinnie
07-28-2011, 09:31 PM
http://youtu.be/g5kNObS3rik

OK I'm sold, let's go get that kid.

Rey
07-28-2011, 09:42 PM
Seen a few comments from bears fans and they really loved him!

That's pretty telling. Looked like he played a bit in as the nikel corner, returned kicks well and was also a pretty good blitzer.

Lots of underrated comments about him.

If the texans can get him I think I might literally cry.

DX-TEX
07-28-2011, 09:43 PM
I want this man to cry:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BSUqLPjAoOM/SQc3KjVN_HI/AAAAAAAACtY/nX37Xlwk-Zg/s400/peyton.jpg

Go back to hell devil!

brakos82
07-28-2011, 09:45 PM
http://straighttothedome.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/peyton_manning_pouting.jpg

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2011, 09:49 PM
Joseph and Manning was my dream.

If it happens...

I might tear up.

Just a bit.

TheRealJoker
07-28-2011, 09:58 PM
Manning is # 1 on my list of available safeties. His speed is just what we need on the backend to protect our young CBs.

Cjeremy635
07-28-2011, 10:25 PM
Manning is # 1 on my list of available safeties. His speed is just what we need on the backend to protect our young CBs.

There you are bro! You just want us to get him so you can get your "manhood" back....

Seriously though, are there any news reports of us being in talks with him like there was with Nnamdi? We definitely need a safety & this cat would be a tremendous addition.

Rey
07-28-2011, 10:27 PM
There you are bro! You just want us to get him so you can get your "manhood" back....

Seriously though, are there any news reports of us being in talks with him like there was with Nnamdi? We definitely need a safety & this cat would be a tremendous addition.

I heard on the radio its a three team race between us, the Vikings and can't remember the third team.

Shaft75
07-28-2011, 10:32 PM
We need Danieal Manning. You know how I know this?

When I googled him on my iPhone "Danieal" was mysteriously replaced with "samurai".

aussie_texan
07-28-2011, 10:33 PM
I heard on the radio its a three team race between us, the Vikings and can't remember the third team.

jaguars?? they need a safety bad. reports say they were big on weddle and a chasing landry hard

Wolf
07-28-2011, 10:37 PM
rumors where the Saints were in the mix

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2011, 10:39 PM
rumors where the Saints were in the mix

Usama Young just signed with the... Browns, I think?

And Harper is an FA, too.

El Tejano
07-28-2011, 10:58 PM
KR capabilities? I'm sold.

GuerillaBlack
07-28-2011, 10:59 PM
KR capabilities? I'm sold.

Agreed. No more Slaton or Jones and I'm scared to see what would happen to little TH back there. This signing would be great.

Rey
07-28-2011, 11:01 PM
KR capabilities? I'm sold.

From the bears fans i read he was pretty good at it but got over shadowed by Hester.

J_R
07-28-2011, 11:02 PM
LZ: I also think there is a better than average chance that D. Manning is a Texan. He is an A+ kick returner who is better in simplified scheme

Lucky
07-28-2011, 11:19 PM
LZ: I also think there is a better than average chance that D. Manning is a Texan. He is an A+ kick returner who is better in simplified scheme
Manning is a good kick returner. I just don't know if you want your starting safety returning kicks. I also see kick returners de-emphasized after the move to the 35 yard line on kickoffs.

CloakNNNdagger
07-28-2011, 11:22 PM
Agreed. No more Slaton or Jones and I'm scared to see what would happen to little TH back there. This signing would be great.

Not time to give up on TH. When you're a returner, it's not good to be ALL thumbs.........but it's worse to have just ONE thumb.:kitten:

DocBar
07-28-2011, 11:24 PM
Um..Trindon Holliday. KR. He lacks thumbs, just hands.

c10x
07-28-2011, 11:26 PM
It's amazing how a good highlight video makes me want a player.

aussie_texan
07-28-2011, 11:31 PM
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Texans agree with S Danieal Manning

Heath Shuler
07-28-2011, 11:33 PM
Texans agree with S Danieal Manning

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Jackie Chiles
07-28-2011, 11:33 PM
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Texans agree with S Danieal Manning

Huge upgrade over last year's secondary and an elite kick returner to boot. Add in one of the best drafts and a great new DC and we might have something cooking this year. Now where is Vonta's agent at?

michaelm
07-28-2011, 11:33 PM
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Texans agree with S Danieal Manning

Yep, just saw it in my feed!

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 11:35 PM
Texans agree with S Danieal Manning

twitter Mclain

link ?

Heath Shuler
07-28-2011, 11:36 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL

Dutchrudder
07-28-2011, 11:36 PM
**** yeah!!!!!!!

michaelm
07-28-2011, 11:37 PM
From McClain:

Manning gets four years, $20 million, 9 guaranteed.

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 11:38 PM
4 year 20 million with 9 guranteed

Kaiser Toro
07-28-2011, 11:38 PM
Awesome!

Texanmike02
07-28-2011, 11:39 PM
Y'all gotta check out JJ's facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Johnathan-Joseph/109317155759317?ref=ts&sk=wall

Here's my posts literally 2 minutes before they announced it.

Mike Blair
Wow... ask and I shall receive... Manning on board too. WOW... like 2 mins after I posted it on here they reported it
a few seconds ago Like


Mike Blair
Bro, you are sorely needed here. Call up Manning and tell him you want some help over the top. Keep your ankles healthy man.
7 minutes ago Like

GuerillaBlack
07-28-2011, 11:39 PM
That's what I'm talking about.

CretorFrigg
07-28-2011, 11:39 PM
Hell yeah!

Not signing Nnamdi was bittersweet. If we had signed him, we might not have had enough cap space to fill our other needs in the secondary. But now we get two great additions to our secondary.

I'm getting my hopes up again. Ugh...

aussie_texan
07-28-2011, 11:39 PM
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Manning gets four years, $20 million, 9 guaranteed.

McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Manning gets $11.5 over first 2 years.

ThaShark316
07-28-2011, 11:39 PM
http://www.feltandwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/TodayWasLarge570.jpg

**** YEA!

Dutchrudder
07-28-2011, 11:40 PM
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/GIFs/qAIoP.gif

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 11:40 PM
http://www.feltandwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/TodayWasLarge570.jpg

**** YEA!

:thisbig:

TheBigpaki
07-28-2011, 11:40 PM
http://www.gifshare.com/uploads/images/20071024/full_size/7927_zoolander.gif

GP
07-28-2011, 11:40 PM
Freakin' Catalina Wine Mixer!

A legit CB1 and a legit S. A draft that was heavy on defense. New, legit d-coordinator.

Bobby Mac delivered.

JCTexan
07-28-2011, 11:41 PM
Awesome. JJ + Manning improves this secondary a lot.

Heath Shuler
07-28-2011, 11:42 PM
It just keeps getting better and better:fans::fans::fans::fans:

michaelm
07-28-2011, 11:42 PM
Wow, A+ offseason for the Texans.
Absolutely stunning.

cdain1
07-28-2011, 11:43 PM
http://operatorchan.org/t/arch/src/t238885_south-park-i-just-came-500x375.jpg

:zzz:

ThaJokaa
07-28-2011, 11:43 PM
Alright! Now let's go get Cromartie

edo783
07-28-2011, 11:44 PM
Awesome. JJ + Manning improves this secondary a lot.

Probably by a factor of 100. If all goes according to hoyle and we don't get crushed by the injury bug, we should be at least a mid level defense as the defense now sits.

c10x
07-28-2011, 11:45 PM
Very nicely done Texans brass. Very nicely done. Who knows how this is gonna turn out, but I am very pleased with the effort here.

hookinreds
07-28-2011, 11:45 PM
Booyah!

TexanSam
07-28-2011, 11:47 PM
:doot: :doot:

:fans:

:smiliedance::hurrah:

:texans:

YES!!!

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2011, 11:48 PM
http://operatorchan.org/t/arch/src/t238885_south-park-i-just-came-500x375.jpg

:zzz:

^^^

this!

dalemurphy
07-28-2011, 11:49 PM
So, I'm not trying to be boastful, but I took a lot of heat on this board and at Battle Red Blog for this story... FYI, it was a reliable member of this board, wishing to remain anonymous, that gave me the scoop regarding Bob McNair's desire to sign Nnamdi back in February.

Here's the article with the rumor from a Texanstalk board member... Thank you: you know who you are: Texans Bull Blog- Texans will Pursue Nnamdi Hard (http://www.texansbullblog.com/biggest-news-day-texas-major-rumor/news/)

vupac1
07-28-2011, 11:49 PM
I really dont know too much about the available safeties after the top 2 on my wish list (Weddle and Mikell)

So who is rated higher Manning or Landry?

I personally wanted Landry more simply bc he came from the Ravens secondary

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 11:50 PM
Hell yeah!

Not signing Nnamdi was bittersweet. If we had signed him, we might not have had enough cap space to fill our other needs in the secondary. But now we get two great additions to our secondary.

I'm getting my hopes up again. Ugh...

I don't think that had anything to do with it. The Texans started strong, going after Nnamdi & Weddle. We didn't have the stroke to close those deals, but we finished strong regardless, the #2 corner & the #2 safety available.

But remember, there was mention of the Texans going after 2 corners.

I think going strong after a top shelf safety was always the plan.

Missing on Nnamdi probably means we'll go after another corner. I'm thinking one of the Carr boys, or maybe we sign Grimes to a similar deal as Joseph, wouldn't that spell Championship?

BSofA04
07-28-2011, 11:50 PM
Just took a shot of whiskey! I was about to go to bed, but now I'm freaking stoked baby!!!!!

Rick Smith signing fools like his job depends on it! (and we all know it does)

Errant Hothy
07-28-2011, 11:52 PM
http://www.frumsatire.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jizz-in-my-pants-jewish-300x222.jpg

houstonspartan
07-28-2011, 11:53 PM
So, I'm not trying to be boastful, but I took a lot of heat on this board and at Battle Red Blog for this story... FYI, it was a reliable member of this board, wishing to remain anonymous, that gave me the scoop regarding Bob McNair's desire to sign Nnamdi back in February.

Here's the article with the rumor from a Texanstalk board member... Thank you: you know who you are: Texans Bull Blog- Texans will Pursue Nnamdi Hard (http://www.texansbullblog.com/biggest-news-day-texas-major-rumor/news/)

But is saying "The Texans will pursue Nnamdi" really news, though? Everyone knew we were going to do it. It's like the last few weeks with all of the national media guys tweeting about how we were going to be in the running. Everyone knew that. Just saying.

Regardless, it's been a good day. We've finally made a major, national splash in free agency. We should be happy.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 11:53 PM
I really dont know too much about the available safeties after the top 2 on my wish list (Weddle and Mikell)

So who is rated higher Manning or Landry?

I personally wanted Landry more simply bc he came from the Ravens secondary

Which is scary, a stout front 7 & a blitz happy scheme would make my fat ass look like an all-pro safety.

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2011, 11:54 PM
I really dont know too much about the available safeties after the top 2 on my wish list (Weddle and Mikell)

So who is rated higher Manning or Landry?

I personally wanted Landry more simply bc he came from the Ravens secondary

They're rated the same. They're both very good.

c10x
07-28-2011, 11:54 PM
This is probably it for bigger signings. We might get some depth here or there, but no more big name players. Just don't have the cap space I don't think.

Leach and maybe that punter. Maybe some ILB depth. But that will likely be it.

houstonspartan
07-28-2011, 11:54 PM
Just took a shot of whiskey! I was about to go to bed, but now I'm freaking stoked baby!!!!!

Rick Smith signing fools like his job depends on it! (and we all know it does)

I was just telling someone earlier that it seems as if the rumors that McNair reamed out Smith-Kubiak after the season were true. I, personally didn't believe it, but, clearly it's true. Bob put Gary and Rick on notice.

BetaV1
07-28-2011, 11:55 PM
I really dont know too much about the available safeties after the top 2 on my wish list (Weddle and Mikell)

So who is rated higher Manning or Landry?

I personally wanted Landry more simply bc he came from the Ravens secondary

Landry is from the Redskins.

You can make a case for either Landry or Manning. Unless someone can correct me, I'm pretty sure the Redskins ran a 3-4 while the Bears run a 4-3. This means Landry has more experience with what to expect as a safety in the 3-4 and for this I would've taken Landry. But either one is an unquestionable upgrade from Pollard.

Dutchrudder
07-28-2011, 11:55 PM
I don't think that had anything to do with it. The Texans started strong, going after Nnamdi & Weddle. We didn't have the stroke to close those deals, but we finished strong regardless, the #2 corner & the #2 safety available.

But remember, there was mention of the Texans going after 2 corners.

I think going strong after a top shelf safety was always the plan.

Missing on Nnamdi probably means well go after another corner. I'm thinking one of the Carr boys, or maybe we sign Grimes to a similar deal as Joseph, wouldn't that spell Championship?

I think we have enough secondary players for now. One other CB is bound to step up. I just want to see Leach signed now.

TexanSam
07-28-2011, 11:55 PM
This is probably it for bigger signings. We might get some depth here or there, but no more big name players. Just don't have the cap space I don't think.

Leach and maybe that punter. Maybe some ILB depth. But that will likely be it.

Can't ask for much more than what we've done. Just filled two big holes on our D. I hope we can resign Leach. Also need to sign our draft picks in time for training camp on Sunday.

c10x
07-28-2011, 11:56 PM
Landry is from the Redskins.

You can make a case for either Landry or Manning. Unless someone can correct me, I'm pretty sure the Redskins ran a 3-4 while the Bears run a 4-3. This means Landry has more experience with what to expect as a safety in the 3-4 and for this I would've taken Landry. But either one is an unquestionable upgrade from Pollard.

You are thinking Laron Landry. The FA available is from the Ravens. Dawan Landry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawan_Landry

c10x
07-28-2011, 11:57 PM
Can't ask for much more than what we've done. Just filled two big holes on our D. I hope we can resign Leach. Also need to sign our draft picks in time for training camp on Sunday.

Completely agree. I think these two signings + resigning our current guys is about all you could have hoped for. Fantastic day for the Texans.

aussie_texan
07-28-2011, 11:57 PM
Landry is from the Redskins.

You can make a case for either Landry or Manning. Unless someone can correct me, I'm pretty sure the Redskins ran a 3-4 while the Bears run a 4-3. This means Landry has more experience with what to expect as a safety in the 3-4 and for this I would've taken Landry. But either one is an unquestionable upgrade from Pollard.

no the landry that has hit FA is from baltimore. leron landry plays for the redskins

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2011, 11:57 PM
Landry is from the Redskins.

You're thinking of the wrong Landry. This is Dawan Landry from the Ravens. Laron, from the Redskins, isn't a FA this year.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 11:58 PM
Landry is from the Redskins.

You can make a case for either Landry or Manning. Unless someone can correct me, I'm pretty sure the Redskins ran a 3-4 while the Bears run a 4-3. This means Landry has more experience with what to expect as a safety in the 3-4 and for this I would've taken Landry. But either one is an unquestionable upgrade from Pollard.

You're thinking Laron Landry who isn't on the table, Duwan Landry from the Ravens is the guy we're talking about.

Brandon420tx
07-28-2011, 11:58 PM
Landry is from the Redskins.

You can make a case for either Landry or Manning. Unless someone can correct me, I'm pretty sure the Redskins ran a 3-4 while the Bears run a 4-3. This means Landry has more experience with what to expect as a safety in the 3-4 and for this I would've taken Landry. But either one is an unquestionable upgrade from Pollard.

Break out your Madden again.

Laron Landry is the top safety for the Skins

Dawan Landry has been ghosting the other side of Ed Reeds field in Baltimore for awhile now.

Its still a moot point because we now have Danieal Manning

TexansFight
07-28-2011, 11:59 PM
First time EVER that the Texans invested in a quality Safety. I am totally stoked and can't wait till the season starts

dalemurphy
07-28-2011, 11:59 PM
But is saying "The Texans will pursue Nnamdi" really news, though? Everyone knew we were going to do it. It's like the last few weeks with all of the national media guys tweeting about how we were going to be in the running. Everyone knew that. Just saying.

Regardless, it's been a good day. We've finally made a major, national splash in free agency. We should be happy.

Not in itself. But, the heart of the information I thought was the change in attitude of McNair and his determination to spend significant money to upgrade the defense. I actually thought we'd end up being more prudent and signing someone like Joseph. However, the source was also committed to multiple, significant FA signings on the defensive side of the ball. This was in February, and, considering nothing like this has ever happened in this organization, consider me impressed with the source!

BSofA04
07-29-2011, 12:00 AM
I was just telling someone earlier that it seems as if the rumors that McNair reamed out Smith-Kubiak after the season were true. I, personally didn't believe it, but, clearly it's true. Bob put Gary and Rick on notice.

Whatever he said, he must have ended the conversation with, "Get the hell outta here and go buy me a ******** respectable secondary."

Mr. Texan
07-29-2011, 12:01 AM
http://i55.tinypic.com/jgnxco.gif

:specnatz:

TexansMVP
07-29-2011, 12:05 AM
Great job by our team today. I'm loving it!

Lucky
07-29-2011, 12:08 AM
So, I'm not trying to be boastful, but I took a lot of heat on this board and at Battle Red Blog for this story...
That was a good call, dale. And you were right, they did come away with one of the other top FA CBs in Joseph. Despite the ramblings of McNair, post Phillips hiring ("We won't go crazy"), the Texans had to hit free agency and the draft hard on the defensive side. They've done that. Now, they have to make it happen on the field.

aussie_texan
07-29-2011, 12:09 AM
as much as we have done nothing every off-season the FO deserves a big pat on the back for this off-season. the draft was clear A and FA is definitely and A also.

Well done Bob, Rick, Gary and Wade and everyone else associated.

JamesBill
07-29-2011, 12:10 AM
I knew the Texans were going to do something to suck me back in. Freaking team never fails to get my hopes up.

valleytexfan
07-29-2011, 12:14 AM
Great day....just a great, great day for this franchise. :fans:

fiasco west
07-29-2011, 12:14 AM
This season NEEDS to be a success. If we make the playoffs great. If we do something in the playoffs it will be huge for the franchise.

Just because McNair will have got results with spending and signing Vets. Something that seems to be recent in our history. Manning and Joseph is a great haul and really can't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing.

Lets hope the young guys can learn from these vets and the new coaching staff...I am pumped.

Manning, Joseph, Mario, Cushing, Ryans, Watt, Antonio
Andre, Foster, Matt, Oline, OD

You gotta be a really bad coach to screw this up.

MEGA SWATT
07-29-2011, 12:15 AM
sweet.:fans:

JamesBill
07-29-2011, 12:19 AM
Manning, Joseph, Mario, Cushing, Ryans, Watt, Antonio
Andre, Foster, Matt, Oline, OD

You gotta be a really bad coach to screw this up.

Dude you forgot about our 1st round pick from last year :kitten:

vupac1
07-29-2011, 12:22 AM
You gotta be a really bad coach to screw this up.

Good God man, please don't tempt him!

Rey
07-29-2011, 12:22 AM
I cried for about half a second after reading this.

Damn I feel good!

Props to the fo for making this happen.

Hottoddie
07-29-2011, 12:22 AM
Outstanding haul so far. Still, I'd like to see them shore up the offensive line next. Especially the right guard position.

dalemurphy
07-29-2011, 12:26 AM
I knew the Texans were going to do something to suck me back in. Freaking team never fails to get my hopes up.

(nice) Pacino from Godfather III

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvzdehnJA9k&NR=1


I'm feeling a little Scent of a Woman Pacino:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6MhvjUy3DQ

houstonspartan
07-29-2011, 12:27 AM
A random person on the Texans twitter feed posted not too long ago: "If Kubiak somehow screws this up, never again should he be given a head coaching gig."

Amen.

Gary, it's time.

BullNation4Life
07-29-2011, 12:29 AM
Now they need to call up Nate Clements and maybe Leonard Davis to play some Guard...

MFG16
07-29-2011, 12:32 AM
Something no one is really talking about is that Manning is an outstanding kick off returner. Not only do we get a quality starting safety (something this franchise has needed forever), but we acquire a new kick off returner that helps special teams. Two positions, one player, very nice!

Playoffs
07-29-2011, 12:32 AM
http://www.feltandwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/TodayWasLarge570.jpg

**** YEA!

No shyte!!!

Props to the front office!

Texecutioner
07-29-2011, 12:35 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL/status/96799900083298304

Not bad. At least they got two guys in the secondary now.

* Edit* Somehow I missed this before. Merge threads please. Sorry about that.

Wolf
07-29-2011, 12:37 AM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83420&page=3


Been a good day :fans:

DocBar
07-29-2011, 12:37 AM
SANTA MARIA but you are correct. This is great news and the Texans just became a playoff team. JJ and Manning is beyond my ability to articulate at the moment.

False Start
07-29-2011, 12:38 AM
Hallelujah! (http://youtu.be/usfiAsWR4qU) :jam: :jam:

michaelm
07-29-2011, 12:39 AM
JeromeSolomon: Final tweet: Danieal Manning missed just 3 tackles and allowed ZERO TDs last season.

dalemurphy
07-29-2011, 12:42 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL/status/96799900083298304

Not bad. At least they got two guys in the secondary now.

* Edit* Somehow I missed this before. Merge threads please. Sorry about that.

Now my biggest concern on defense is that injury-prone, somewhat disinterested 285 lb outside LB who counts $16 million against the cap this year. Perhaps the Texans will tell him he's free to look for a trade, too? Imagine saving $7 million under the cap while signing Manny Lawson and then Cullen Jenkins or Aubrayo Franklin and getting multiple 2012 day one and/or day two draft picks!

Wow! A guy can dream, right?

hookinreds
07-29-2011, 12:43 AM
JeromeSolomon: Final tweet: Danieal Manning missed just 3 tackles and allowed ZERO TDs last season.

Did our secondary even have 3 tackles?

BullNation4Life
07-29-2011, 12:46 AM
Now my biggest concern on defense is that injury-prone, somewhat disinterested 285 lb outside LB who counts $16 million against the cap this year. Perhaps the Texans will tell him he's free to look for a trade, too? Imagine saving $7 million under the cap while signing Manny Lawson and then Cullen Jenkins or Aubrayo Franklin and getting multiple 2012 day one and/or day two draft picks!

Wow! A guy can dream, right?

now you are just being silly. Come back down to Earth with we mere mortals...

BullNation4Life
07-29-2011, 12:47 AM
Did our secondary even have 3 tackles?

if you count the refs getting hit, then yes, yes they did....

Nawzer
07-29-2011, 12:50 AM
Ahh I go away for a few hours and Texans already filled their safety need! Well done!

Texecutioner
07-29-2011, 12:50 AM
Now my biggest concern on defense is that injury-prone, somewhat disinterested 285 lb outside LB who counts $16 million against the cap this year. Perhaps the Texans will tell him he's free to look for a trade, too? Imagine saving $7 million under the cap while signing Manny Lawson and then Cullen Jenkins or Aubrayo Franklin and getting multiple 2012 day one and/or day two draft picks!

Wow! A guy can dream, right?

:spit: Ah, Dale I love it when we agree. It's rare, but when we do it's certainly delightful. :ahhaha:

TheMatrix31
07-29-2011, 01:02 AM
Beautiful. Just beautiful.

c10x
07-29-2011, 01:02 AM
Now my biggest concern on defense is that injury-prone, somewhat disinterested 285 lb outside LB who counts $16 million against the cap this year. Perhaps the Texans will tell him he's free to look for a trade, too? Imagine saving $7 million under the cap while signing Manny Lawson and then Cullen Jenkins or Aubrayo Franklin and getting multiple 2012 day one and/or day two draft picks!

Wow! A guy can dream, right?

You don't want that. The texans do not get better letting Mario go. He is very strong against the run, a terrible matchup for opposing OCs, and a very good player. He may not be 16 mil against the cap good, but that problem will get taken care of at the next contract. My guess is he gets resigned for 8-10 mil a year, instead of 15 like he is now.

Lucky
07-29-2011, 01:08 AM
Wow! A guy can dream, right?
I would call that a hallucination.

Wolf6151
07-29-2011, 01:09 AM
Now my biggest concern on defense is that injury-prone, somewhat disinterested 285 lb outside LB who counts $16 million against the cap this year. Perhaps the Texans will tell him he's free to look for a trade, too? Imagine saving $7 million under the cap while signing Manny Lawson and then Cullen Jenkins or Aubrayo Franklin and getting multiple 2012 day one and/or day two draft picks!

Wow! A guy can dream, right?

Completely agree. I'd sign Aubrayo Franklin-NT and start Mark Anderson at WOLB or Brooks Reed, save alot of money, and gain a boat load of draft picks. Sounds like something Belichick (spelling?) would do.

DocBar
07-29-2011, 01:24 AM
My little sticker is pecking out like a mofo!!! We have definitely improved or talent in all the right areas!!!

DexmanC
07-29-2011, 01:26 AM
http://operatorchan.org/t/arch/src/t238885_south-park-i-just-came-500x375.jpg

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/GIFs/qAIoP.gif

Ya'll NASTY!!!

cland
07-29-2011, 01:26 AM
Huge signing for the Texans. Three-fourths of our secondary just got faster and better at pass coverage. (Joseph, Quinn, Manning) And we've got to hope/expect that someone from the Kareem, McManis, Harris, Carmichael, McCain pool of players that one of them can be decent at CB #2.

DexmanC
07-29-2011, 01:27 AM
Seriously. Danieal Manning is the first legit safety the Texans
have ever had under Kubiak.

Johnathan Joseph is a the first Probowl-caliber cornerback
in Texans' history. Things are looking up!

Corrosion
07-29-2011, 01:44 AM
Very nicely done Texans brass. Very nicely done. Who knows how this is gonna turn out, but I am very pleased with the effort here.

I want to see Texicutioner send an appology to Rick ....



Hey Rick , know yer busy bro but , next weekend is on me at the Colorado.

Seriously. Danieal Manning is the first legit safety the Texans
have ever had under Kubiak.

Johnathan Joseph is a the first Probowl-caliber cornerback
in Texans' history. Things are looking up!


Manning is the first legit Safety the Texans have ever had .... under any coach.

drs23
07-29-2011, 01:46 AM
Good job Rick. Can't wait to see how quickly they come together on the field.

TheMatrix31
07-29-2011, 01:50 AM
I wonder if Manning is going to be our returner.

The return game was arguably the most unsung problem for the team last year.

Corrosion
07-29-2011, 01:51 AM
I wonder if Manning is going to be our returner.

The return game was arguably the most unsung problem for the team last year.

Good question ....

That would allow JJ to concentrate solely upon being a beter WR ..... and we fans could forget about the possibility of him putting the ball on the turf on ST.

Brandon420tx
07-29-2011, 01:58 AM
Kick returns aren't as important with the new rule changes, I don't know anything about Manning's punt return abilities, but Keo really shines on punts

Corrosion
07-29-2011, 02:05 AM
Kick returns aren't as important with the new rule changes, I don't know anything about Manning's punt return abilities, but Keo really shines on punts

Punt returns is what I was refering to in the post above .... JJ still scares the crap outa me.

I completely forgot that Keo retuned punts in college ..... they have several options at both now.



Stupid rules change taking the excitement out of KO's ..... first the wedge rule now this crap. Bleh. If they keep this shit up women will be on the field with the men soon .... everyone wearing flags.

Rey
07-29-2011, 02:15 AM
We have some good options in the return game.

I still have hopes for trindon, but it will be extremely hard for him to make this roster and he will have to be phenomenal.

If I'm not mistaken, a few of the udfa's we picked up can return as well.

By trindon not being able to play wr or rb he will have to absolutely shine as a return man.

leebigeztx
07-29-2011, 02:31 AM
Now my biggest concern on defense is that injury-prone, somewhat disinterested 285 lb outside LB who counts $16 million against the cap this year. Perhaps the Texans will tell him he's free to look for a trade, too? Imagine saving $7 million under the cap while signing Manny Lawson and then Cullen Jenkins or Aubrayo Franklin and getting multiple 2012 day one and/or day two draft picks!

Wow! A guy can dream, right?

Maybe u should. Buy the ticket and watch lawson who can't even get a sack when they design it for him.

imatexan
07-29-2011, 03:19 AM
YESSS!!!

Sooo glad football is back and some great signings by the Texans today!!!

:fans:

Corrosion
07-29-2011, 03:23 AM
We have some good options in the return game.

I still have hopes for trindon, but it will be extremely hard for him to make this roster and he will have to be phenomenal.

If I'm not mistaken, a few of the udfa's we picked up can return as well.

By trindon not being able to play wr or rb he will have to absolutely shine as a return man.

I think he (Holliday) could be a threat as a 3rd down back ..... his recieving skills are very solid , if he can pick up the blocking aspect .... the kids got potential. I know its a lot to ask of a guy who's a buck fitty .... but he doesnt have to put guys on their as , just re-direct or slow them.


They do have a lot of options in PR / KR now .... Maybe the roster is good enough top to bottom that they can keep a specialist at one of those spots.

SAMURAITEXAN
07-29-2011, 03:24 AM
Yes! The way to go Texans!!!

Go Texans!!!

Rey
07-29-2011, 03:54 AM
I think he (Holliday) could be a threat as a 3rd down back ..... his recieving skills are very solid , if he can pick up the blocking aspect .... the kids got potential. I know its a lot to ask of a guy who's a buck fitty .... but he doesnt have to put guys on their as , just re-direct or slow them.


They do have a lot of options in PR / KR now .... Maybe the roster is good enough top to bottom that they can keep a specialist at one of those spots.

I just can't see myself not cursing kubiak if he took foster out on third down and put in holiday.

Trindon has to prove it and he's got a long uphill battle.

Personally I think he's going to show out in the return game if he can hold onto the ball. Dude is electrifying and that kind of speed and agility does not come around very often.

Corrosion
07-29-2011, 04:32 AM
I just can't see myself not cursing kubiak if he took foster out on third down and put in holiday.

Trindon has to prove it and he's got a long uphill battle.

Personally I think he's going to show out in the return game if he can hold onto the ball. Dude is electrifying and that kind of speed and agility does not come around very often.

I cant dispute the bold .... I'd be bitchin too.


BUT if Holliday showed he could hang onto the rock on ST , I think he deserves a look , at least in some sets as a 3rd down back ..... Dude gets in space and .... he's tough to catch much less bring down. (Pending he shows he can handle the blitz) Just another aspect to add to an already potent Texans offense.

Fred
07-29-2011, 05:44 AM
I think he (Holliday) could be a threat as a 3rd down back ..... his recieving skills are very solid , if he can pick up the blocking aspect .... the kids got potential. I know its a lot to ask of a guy who's a buck fitty .... but he doesnt have to put guys on their as , just re-direct or slow them.


They do have a lot of options in PR / KR now .... Maybe the roster is good enough top to bottom that they can keep a specialist at one of those spots.

Seriously? You really want a guy who is maybe 5'7", 150 lb protecting Schaub by picking up the blitz on third down? Playing a new position? After Matt and Matt are both put on IR, Dan O might get some playing time after all.

If Holliday can pick up the blocking aspect, then we didn't need Manning. We could just have Duane Brown play safety and return kicks.

Wolf6151
07-29-2011, 05:58 AM
I think he (Holliday) could be a threat as a 3rd down back ..... his recieving skills are very solid , if he can pick up the blocking aspect .... the kids got potential. I know its a lot to ask of a guy who's a buck fitty .... but he doesnt have to put guys on their as , just re-direct or slow them.


They do have a lot of options in PR / KR now .... Maybe the roster is good enough top to bottom that they can keep a specialist at one of those spots.

I don't think Holliday makes the team this year, I think he'll be cut in TC.

steelbtexan
07-29-2011, 06:48 AM
I don't think Holliday makes the team this year, I think he'll be cut in TC.

Agreed, Unless Holiday really shines in TC. JJ or Keo will be the PR. Tate will be the KR.

sakebomb
07-29-2011, 07:13 AM
Agreed, Unless Holiday really shines in TC. JJ or Keo will be the PR. Tate will be the KR.

I was really impressed with Steve Slaton returning kick offs last year. :foottap:

steelbtexan
07-29-2011, 07:19 AM
I was really impressed with Steve Slaton returning kick offs last year. :foottap:

LOL

Tate and Fannin returned kicks in college. Tate is no Slaton.

Porky
07-29-2011, 08:04 AM
Seriously. Danieal Manning is the first legit safety the Texans
have ever had under Kubiak.

Johnathan Joseph is a the first Probowl-caliber cornerback
in Texans' history. Things are looking up!

Aaron Glenn and Dunta Robinson both made it one time no? I know Glenn did for sure. Not sure on Dunta. Prior to now, these were the best two corners we have had. Glenn was a very good cover corner but aging quickly. Dunta was physical as hell, and pretty good in coverage as well until that bad injury. Never the same after that.

JJ should be like a younger AG in some ways, and all in all, probably will be our best corner to this point in the franchises history, especially if longevity counts.

I LOVE these signings. Not sure if we could have gotten Manning had Aso signed with us. We may have had to settle for someone stop gap. I'll take JJ+Manning over Aso+scrub SS anyday. Manning is 28 and should man the SS position for 5 yrs. Same with JJ. Manning is the first "rangy" safety we have had. Every freaking safety they draft or sign until now is an in the box run stopper and terrible in coverage. Manning can actually cover! Who could have thunk it. An actual real safety. Holy cow. And he is an excellent KR too!

The offseason is a a solid A. Excellent draft, and an awesome one-two punch in FA. I tell you guys what - this offseason has Wade Phillips paw prints all over it. While I am not big on Wade as a HC, I do very much like him as a DC. I think they basically turned this offseason over to Wade and he is pulling all the strings here. Left to thier own devices, Smithiak has been a total failure on talent evaulation and acquisition....and they have totally ignored the safety position. It's a new dawn and a new day!!

Smithiak has had nothing but a bunch of yes men as DC's that don't have the gravitas that Wade has. This is now Phillips D, for the good or the bad.

I can't wait to see these guys on the field. After last season, I felt lower than I have ever been toward this team and ready to throw in my fandom card. Now - gotta admit I am pumped. They have managed to draw me back in. Please don't let me be Charlie Brown running to kick the ball once again only to have the Texans...errr Lucy pull the ball away again.

This has to be the year. Right? Someone tell me I'm not wasting another freaking fall watching a train wreck. Still leery about in game decisions by Kubes, but we have the talent to succeed now. No excuses.

infantrycak
07-29-2011, 08:12 AM
Aaron Glenn and Dunta Robinson both made it one time no? I know Glenn did for sure. Not sure on Dunta.

Glenn made it as a Texan in 2002. Dunta has never been.

texanmojo
07-29-2011, 09:00 AM
Just chatted with a friend of mine who is a Bears season ticket holder.

He described Manning as a hard hitter but one who would blow alot of coverages. He said "Good luck with Manning. I'll miss his inability to read a route."

I still feel like Manning is a massive improvement over where we were at...but these comments have me mildly concerned.

beerlover
07-29-2011, 09:13 AM
Just chatted with a friend of mine who is a Bears season ticket holder.

He described Manning as a hard hitter but one who would blow alot of coverages. He said "Good luck with Manning. I'll miss his inability to read a route."

I still feel like Manning is a massive improvement over where we were at...but these comments have me mildly concerned.

I would not read that much into it. Chicago played a 4-3. Houston with new defensive coordinator Wade Phillips is going to run a 3-4. Wade will weigh heavily on his OLB's for pass rush along with Cushing inside. So his assingments will change, more shadow & cover exploiting his ball skills to make more down field plays.

DocBar
07-29-2011, 09:16 AM
Did our secondary even have 3 tackles?I think so. The probably gave up more TD's than the number of tackles, though. lol

GuerillaBlack
07-29-2011, 09:27 AM
Heard Manning played some corner for the Bears also. Another nice perk of his (along with the KR capabilities).

b0ng
07-29-2011, 09:40 AM
I can't imagine the Texans are going to use this guy for any sort of return duty unless it's some kind of emergency. I can already imagine with the money he is getting that he is penciled in to start at the SS spot, and usually you don't want to risk your starters getting more hits than normal.

Manning obviously has his warts (as well as Joseph) but if he can prove to be a decent upgrade over what Pollard gave us last year, then I think he'll be a success. This team needs a freaking exorcism when it comes to pulling down or causing turnovers and I hope that Manning (and Joseph!) can help exorcise those demons. At least this offseason, to fix the turnover problems we have always had with Kubiak, we are doing more than just putting words on the backsides of peoples workout shorts.

Dutchrudder
07-29-2011, 09:41 AM
Well it appears Rick Smith finally woke up from his 5 year slumber. Better late than never, I guess...



http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/GIFs/DemiMoore-Striptease002.gif

76Texan
07-29-2011, 10:24 AM
I decided to check Manning out, so I watched the Bears played the Eagles.
In this particular game, Bears were in cover 2 mostly and they played the two safeties deeper than I've ever seen the Texans played them under Bush.
They let Vicks have the underneath to prevent any long throw.
The front 4 pressure was good. They stopped the run with 7.
They didn't leave any CB on an island but only a couple of times when they blitzed (single safety.)

Manning stepped up a few on the TE.
Overall, he did what he was supposed to do and didn't miss any assignment and didn't blow any coverage.

The Bears had a good lead and went into prevent defense in the 4th quarter.
Bears won 31-26 (Eagles scored a TD in garbage time.)

Overall, this was not a game to really see what Manning is all about.

The main thing is I don't see any blown coverage like that Bears fan hinted.
But it was only one game!

TimeKiller
07-29-2011, 10:35 AM
Frankly, it's a step in the right direction and nobody can argue that. The Texans using F/A to fill holes? Yeah. Somebody go check the gates of Hell, I feel a little chilly....

The1ApplePie
07-29-2011, 10:36 AM
Is there room to sign somebody like Sensabaugh (however you spell) to pair with Manning?

False Start
07-29-2011, 10:40 AM
Just chatted with a friend of mine who is a Bears season ticket holder.

He described Manning as a hard hitter but one who would blow alot of coverages. He said "Good luck with Manning. I'll miss his inability to read a route."

I still feel like Manning is a massive improvement over where we were at...but these comments have me mildly concerned.


A radio guy from WGN in Chicago was on 610, said pretty much the same thing. He called him a "decent" player but nothing spectacular. He said hes good in run support but struggles in his coverage ability.

Dutchrudder
07-29-2011, 10:42 AM
Is there room to sign somebody like Sensabaugh (however you spell) to pair with Manning?

Probably not if they plan on signing others. We got two starters in the secondary, that's enough for now. Need to focus on front 7 guys, specifically linebackers and a NT.

Brandon420tx
07-29-2011, 10:57 AM
and Leach

texanmojo
07-29-2011, 11:23 AM
I decided to check Manning out, so I watched the Bears played the Eagles.
In this particular game, Bears were in cover 2 mostly and they played the two safeties deeper than I've ever seen the Texans played them under Bush.
They let Vicks have the underneath to prevent any long throw.
The front 4 pressure was good. They stopped the run with 7.
They didn't leave any CB on an island but only a couple of times when they blitzed (single safety.)

Manning stepped up a few on the TE.
Overall, he did what he was supposed to do and didn't miss any assignment and didn't blow any coverage.

The Bears had a good lead and went into prevent defense in the 4th quarter.
Bears won 31-26 (Eagles scored a TD in garbage time.)

Overall, this was not a game to really see what Manning is all about.

The main thing is I don't see any blown coverage like that Bears fan hinted.
But it was only one game!

Good to hear!

Everyone blows coverages. Its the nature of the game. I was just suprised that he was perfectly happy losing him as a player.

76Texan
07-29-2011, 11:31 AM
A radio guy from WGN in Chicago was on 610, said pretty much the same thing. He called him a "decent" player but nothing spectacular. He said hes good in run support but struggles in his coverage ability.

I'll watch some more to see whether that's true or not, but in the game against Vicks, he did well on the TE.

In the meantime, I like this Chicago babe better than that radio guy, that's for sure!

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Texecutioner
07-29-2011, 11:33 AM
I want to see Texicutioner send an appology to Rick ....



Hey Rick , know yer busy bro but , next weekend is on me at the Colorado.




Manning is the first legit Safety the Texans have ever had .... under any coach.

I'm not sending Rick jack. He should have been fired two off seasons ago. It shouldn't have taken him 5.5 years to finally go after a S and look for a good free agent CB when his job was on the line for the 3rd off season now. If he goes after more players next off season, then I'll completely back off of him. Signing two meaningful free agents going into his 6th season isn't bragging material when it took him that long to figure out that building through the draft alone wasn't going to get it done. It's a good sign that he is trying to move in the right direction though, and I'll give him kudos for that. That may not be enough for you, but I still want Cowher or another coach here. THis team has enough pieces to go all the way. They need a HC though.

gary
07-29-2011, 12:16 PM
I'm not sending Rick jack. He should have been fired two off seasons ago. It shouldn't have taken him 5.5 years to finally go after a S and look for a good free agent CB when his job was on the line for the 3rd off season now. If he goes after more players next off season, then I'll completely back off of him. Signing two meaningful free agents going into his 6th season isn't bragging material when it took him that long to figure out that building through the draft alone wasn't going to get it done. It's a good sign that he is trying to move in the right direction though, and I'll give him kudos for that. That may not be enough for you, but I still want Cowher or another coach here. THis team has enough pieces to go all the way. They need a HC though.I have been saying the players are not the issue with this team for awhile now not as Rick and Gary.

76Texan
07-29-2011, 01:51 PM
Good to hear!

Everyone blows coverages. Its the nature of the game. I was just suprised that he was perfectly happy losing him as a player.

I just finish another game, against the Seahawks and Hasselbeck in week 6.
Manning played mostly SS, but also saw the FS spot.

Again, he was where the safety was supposed to be on any given play.
Bears were mostly in cover 2 just as the other game, but the safeties played closer than against Vick (which is understandable.)

He did well in run support and didn't blow any coverage (but also didn't figure in any help situation).
The pass action was never really near him enough to require him to help.
But he was there just in case.

No news is good news so far, I guess!

I'm going to watch him against Wade's Cowboys next.

CloakNNNdagger
07-29-2011, 01:56 PM
I don't think that this has been posted. Nice article.

The Chicago Bears experienced another free-agent defection early Friday morning, when strong safety Danieal Manning reached an agreement to join the Houston Texans.

His agent, Russel Hicks, said it was a four-year deal worth $20 million, with $9 million in guarantees.

The loss doesn't come as a surprise, after Manning turned down a three-year offer from the Bears last season.

"Man, it was tough to leave Chicago because I had so many bonds up there with coaches and players, especially the players, they were great," Manning told ESPNChicago.com. "But deep down inside, I feel like I got what I deserved. I feel like Chicago made their decision and I had to do what was best for me.

"I really didn't know this offseason, because of all the stuff with the CBA and the lockout, if the Bears were going to try and bring me back. I was like, well maybe they can't talk to me because they can't due to the lockout. As the lockout ended, I assumed Chicago would at least make a fair effort to bring me back. I mean, you kind of want to play out your career with the first team you played with, the first team that drafted you. But it didn't happen."

The departure leaves the Bears with little proven depth behind veteran Chris Harris and rising second-year player Major Wright. Craig Steltz is the only proven backup, but the club drafted third-rounder Chris Conte as a potential reserve, in addition to adding undrafted rookies.

Had the sides been able to come to an agreement for a Manning return, the safety had already been told he'd be involved in a three-player rotation, somewhat similar to last year's, which still featured Harris and Manning taking the majority of the snaps.

So Manning chose to sign with the Texans after receiving interest from several suitors, including the 49ers, Browns, Saints and Jets.

"I feel like those [Texans] coaches genuinely care about you and are putting together guys that want to win," Manning said. "They told me they envision me roaming the field on defense. It's a different scheme than I played in with the Bears, it's a 3-4 obviously, but it's a great opportunity. I talked with head coach Gary Kubiak, defensive coordinator Wade Phillips and secondary coach Vance Joseph, they all sound like great guys and they told me how they want me to play. I told them I want to learn to play Houston Texans football.

"They told me just free safety right now, but anything can happen. As you know, in my past, things have a tendency to change for me on defense."

A fifth-year veteran, Manning made arguably the most significant impact of his tenure with the team in 2011, when he contributed 85 tackles, an interception and five pass breakups. The performance came as somewhat of a breakthrough for Manning, who played virtually every spot in the secondary, before the team finally settled on him at strong safety.

During a season in which the Bears allowed the second-fewest touchdown passes (14), and gave up multiple touchdowns just twice (best in the league), Manning was one of five safeties in the NFL who played 75 percent or more of their defensive snaps to not give up a touchdown.

Manning also missed just three tackles, second-fewest among other NFL safeties who played 75 percent or more of their team's defensive snaps.

Manning contributed considerably on special teams as a return man as well, which is likely a role he'll take on with his new club. Since 2008, Manning leads the NFL in kickoff returns of 40 or more yards.

"To be honest, we only spoke about returning kickoffs briefly," he said. "I didn't talk to the special teams coach at all. I think they have excellent return men already in place in Houston. At this point, I was just happy to be part of the Texans organization. I'm totally on-board, and now I'm going to do my absolute best to try and help this team win some games and make the playoffs."

Despite Manning's resume, the Bears placed their hopes on the inexperienced Wright, even though late last season they tried to re-sign Manning to a contract averaging $2 million per year for three years.

Sources within the organization said the Bears wouldn't increase that offer, leaving Manning to shop his services elsewhere.

Michael C. Wright covers the Bears for ESPNChicago.com and ESPN 1000. ESPNChicago.com's Jeff Dickerson contributed to this story

The Pencil Neck
07-29-2011, 01:59 PM
I don't think that this has been posted. Nice article.


"They told me just free safety right now, but anything can happen. As you know, in my past, things have a tendency to change for me on defense."




So... Quin is the Strong safety? Or are our Siamese Safeties both considered Free at this point?

CloakNNNdagger
07-29-2011, 02:01 PM
So... Quin is the Strong safety? Or are our Siamese Safeties both considered Free at this point?

This is what got me confused.

Ckw
07-29-2011, 02:05 PM
I think he misspoke. The coaches, and Glover himself, have all said Glover is the free safety. Manning will play strong safety like he did in Chicago last year.

AnthonyE
07-29-2011, 02:05 PM
I'll watch some more to see whether that's true or not, but in the game against Vicks, he did well on the TE.

In the meantime, I like this Chicago babe better than that radio guy, that's for sure!

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/Chicago%20Bears/Chicago%20Babe/vlcsnap-14097757.jpg



Think we can sign her too? :spin:

badboy
07-29-2011, 02:05 PM
The coaches talked to Manning about free safety? What happened to Quin? Even if both safeties are similar what does this comment say? Maybe the coaches will go back to S-1 & S-2?

The Pencil Neck
07-29-2011, 02:13 PM
The coaches talked to Manning about free safety? What happened to Quin? Even if both safeties are similar what does this comment say? Maybe the coaches will go back to S-1 & S-2?

This is what Vance Joseph was talking about in his videos on HT.com.

76Texan
07-29-2011, 03:16 PM
I just finish with the Bears/Cowboys game in week 2.
Manning had a very nice game, all around.

There's no way this guy can be lacking in coverage!
He reads run/pass very well and reacts quickly.

Again, he played mostly SS, but also saw some action at FS.

Witten had 5 catches, but none when Manning took him on.
When Manning gets on Witten, he shuts him down.

Looks good in coverage over the top, always showing up where he was supposed to be.
He got back to defend Miles Austin late in the game to prevent a possible TD pass that could have tied the game.

He read and reacted well to stop barber on a short yardage situation at the goal line, hitting him in the air.

No wonder Phillips wants him!

I think I'm going to take a break now.
What a way to spend a day off!

Section516
07-29-2011, 03:20 PM
I just finish with the Bears/Cowboys game in week 2.
Manning had a very nice game, all around.

There's no way this guy can be lacking in coverage!
He reads run/pass very well and reacts quickly.

Again, he played mostly SS, but also saw some action at FS.

Witten had 5 catches, but none when Manning took him on.
When Manning gets on Witten, he shuts him down.

Looks good in coverage over the top, always showing up where he was supposed to be.
He got back to defend Miles Austin late in the game to prevent a possible TD pass that could have tied the game.

He read and reacted well to stop barber on a short yardage situation at the goal line, hitting him in the air.

No wonder Phillips wants him!

I think I'm going to take a break now.
What a way to spend a day off!

From what I've read, last year he did well. Before that, the bears didn't know what to do with him - Moving him around as a safety, playing him as a nickle cornerback, etc. Maybe last year he just clicked?

beerlover
07-29-2011, 03:47 PM
I just finish with the Bears/Cowboys game in week 2.
Manning had a very nice game, all around.

There's no way this guy can be lacking in coverage!
He reads run/pass very well and reacts quickly.

Again, he played mostly SS, but also saw some action at FS.

Witten had 5 catches, but none when Manning took him on.
When Manning gets on Witten, he shuts him down.

Looks good in coverage over the top, always showing up where he was supposed to be.
He got back to defend Miles Austin late in the game to prevent a possible TD pass that could have tied the game.

He read and reacted well to stop barber on a short yardage situation at the goal line, hitting him in the air.

No wonder Phillips wants him!

I think I'm going to take a break now.
What a way to spend a day off!

good call, no wonder Phillips wants him! He has been busy telling Rick who he wants & Rick has done his job giving him what he wants.

Ryan
07-29-2011, 03:53 PM
I just finish with the Bears/Cowboys game in week 2.
Manning had a very nice game, all around.

There's no way this guy can be lacking in coverage!
He reads run/pass very well and reacts quickly.

Again, he played mostly SS, but also saw some action at FS.

Witten had 5 catches, but none when Manning took him on.
When Manning gets on Witten, he shuts him down.

Looks good in coverage over the top, always showing up where he was supposed to be.
He got back to defend Miles Austin late in the game to prevent a possible TD pass that could have tied the game.

He read and reacted well to stop barber on a short yardage situation at the goal line, hitting him in the air.

No wonder Phillips wants him!

I think I'm going to take a break now.
What a way to spend a day off!



Once again, thanks for all that. Repped.

76Texan
07-29-2011, 04:38 PM
From what I've read, last year he did well. Before that, the bears didn't know what to do with him - Moving him around as a safety, playing him as a nickle cornerback, etc. Maybe last year he just clicked?

Coming out of a small school like Abilene Christian, it's fair to say that he needs some time to develop.

I think that because Manning has some speed, they wanted to try to see if he can handle the CB position.
And the nickel would be a good starting point for a young player.

Also due to his speed and running skills, they wanted him to lighten the load for Hester in the KR department.

76Texan
07-29-2011, 04:45 PM
good call, no wonder Phillips wants him! He has been busy telling Rick who he wants & Rick has done his job giving him what he wants.

I still can't believe how much resources they had given Wade.
We'd better have at least an average defense!

Most definitely, I can see that Wade knows exactly what he wants in a defensive player the way Kubiak looks for what he wants in an offensive player that will fit his scheme.

As always, I appreciate all the support!
:fans:

Ole Miss Texan
07-29-2011, 05:01 PM
I still can't believe how much resources they had given Wade.
We'd better have at least an average defense!

Most definitely, I can see that Wade knows exactly what he wants in a defensive player the way Kubiak looks for what he wants in an offensive player that will fit his scheme.

As always, I appreciate all the support!
:fans:
JJ Watt
Brooks Reed
Brandon Harris (trade up)
Roc Carmichael
Shiloh Keo
The Rice dude I can't spell

Johnathan Joseph
Danieal Manning

This. Is. An. EPIC. Offseason.

keyser
07-29-2011, 06:29 PM
Sorry if I missed someone else posting it, but some might be interested to go to Danieal Manning's website. It doesn't look as though it's updated a whole lot, but there are links to email him, some videos, etc. The site is at:

http://daniealmanning.com/

76Texan
07-29-2011, 06:34 PM
Sorry if I missed someone else posting it, but some might be interested to go to Danieal Manning's website. It doesn't look as though it's updated a whole lot, but there are links to email him, some videos, etc. The site is at:

http://daniealmanning.com/

The vid wasn't there when I checked it a while ago!

Doppelganger
07-29-2011, 06:35 PM
good call, no wonder Phillips wants him! He has been busy telling Rick who he wants & Rick has done his job giving him what he wants.

Imagine, having an experienced Defensive Coordinator who:
1) can spot talent
2) tell the GM to go get said talent.

So this is what its like to have a real coordinator!

Lucky
07-29-2011, 11:55 PM
Imagine, having an experienced Defensive Coordinator who:
1) can spot talent
2) tell the GM to go get said talent.

So this is what its like to have a real coordinator!
Pretty much what a head coach (like a Andy Reid) is supposed to do.

Wolf
07-30-2011, 09:39 AM
The scoop on Danieal Manning

The Texans addressed their last gaping hole on the defense late Thursday night when they agreed to terms with ex-Bears safety Danieal Manning.

Mark Berman of Fox 26 Sports in Houston reported that Manning received a four-year deal worth $20 million, including $9 million guaranteed.

The news of the Manning signing came on the heels of the Texans agreeing to terms with another free agent defensive back, Johnathan Joseph, formerly of the Bengals.

The signings of Joseph and Manning shore up the weakest link on a defense that was embarrassingly bad last season. Manning will line up opposite Glover Quin at safety while Joseph becomes the Texans top corner.

It's funny how name association works because when I read about the signing around 1:00 a.m. local time this morning, the first thing that came to mind was the 2008 season finale when the Texans beat the Bears at Reliant Stadium.

Manning got a lot of playing time in that game after Bears safety Mike Brown was placed on injured reserve a few days earlier. Manning didn't have a good game, biting on a play fake by Matt Schaub which allowed Andre Johnson to score on a long TD pass, and then fumbling the ensuing kickoff to get the Texans right back in the game after falling behind 10-0 early.




http://www.examiner.com/houston-texans-in-houston/the-scoop-on-danieal-manning

76Texan
08-03-2011, 12:26 PM
Here are a couple of examples of how Manning can help the coverage.
Remember the spot behind the corner that often our safeties cannot get to?

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/DManning/vs%20Detroit/

b0ng
08-03-2011, 12:32 PM
Pretty much what a head coach (like a Andy Reid) is supposed to do.

Lets discuss Andy Reid and clock management.

El Tejano
08-03-2011, 12:33 PM
Here are a couple of examples of how Manning can help the coverage.
Remember the spot behind the corner that often our safeties cannot get to?

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/DManning/vs%20Detroit/

What makes these pictures better is that in pic 19 and 18 of 26, he's making the play just as clock strikes zero in our 34-24 beat down of Indy in the upper right hand corner.

I'm telling you, this was meant to be.

GuerillaBlack
08-03-2011, 12:58 PM
What makes these pictures better is that in pic 19 and 18 of 26, he's making the play just as clock strikes zero in our 34-24 beat down of Indy in the upper right hand corner.

I'm telling you, this was meant to be.

I remember one photo where AJ had one crazy TD grab (think it was AJ) and right under it, there was a scroll with Moulds' stats on it (IIRC, it was over 100 yards and a couple of TDs). People were saying it was meant to be.

Just sayin...

El Tejano
08-03-2011, 01:04 PM
I remember one photo where AJ had one crazy TD grab (think it was AJ) and right under it, there was a scroll with Moulds' stats on it (IIRC, it was over 100 yards and a couple of TDs). People were saying it was meant to be.

Just sayin...

Yeah but chances are we lost that game and this time it's the guy we are getting making the play while our game is showing us victorious. Spinning it any way I can :spin:

srrono
02-02-2013, 06:40 PM
Does any1 remember what Houston's cap situation was when Manning and JoJo were signed?

badboy
02-02-2013, 06:48 PM
Does any1 remember what Houston's cap situation was when Manning and JoJo were signed?

http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-texans/2011/8/16/2366779/nfl-salary-cap-houston-texans-have-866564-available

Your Houston Texans, after you make adjustments for the $3 million veteran exemption and/or a re-allocation of money from 2011 to 2009, have $866,564 of available cap space this season.


Note article is from Aug 2011 and both were signed July.

badboy
02-02-2013, 06:53 PM
more info: from http://bleacherreport.com/articles/761672-nfl-free-agency-the-cap-status-of-all-32-nfl-teams-and-potential-free-agents#/articles/761672-nfl-free-agency-the-cap-status-of-all-32-nfl-teams-and-potential-free-agents/page/14

2010-11 NFL Record: 6-10

Total 2011 Payroll: $118.4 million

Over/Under Cap: plus-$1.6 million

srrono
02-02-2013, 07:02 PM
more info: from http://bleacherreport.com/articles/761672-nfl-free-agency-the-cap-status-of-all-32-nfl-teams-and-potential-free-agents#/articles/761672-nfl-free-agency-the-cap-status-of-all-32-nfl-teams-and-potential-free-agents/page/14

2010-11 NFL Record: 6-10

Total 2011 Payroll: $118.4 million

Over/Under Cap: plus-$1.6 million

Yeah that is what I was thinking that the cap space was tight and the FO had to do some "Magic" to sign these guys. Its going to be interesting to see what they can do this year, so many important guys FAs this year plus all the holes.

badboy
02-02-2013, 10:48 PM
Yeah that is what I was thinking that the cap space was tight and the FO had to do some "Magic" to sign these guys. Its going to be interesting to see what they can do this year, so many important guys FAs this year plus all the holes.I think they can redo some contracts like they did to sign Brown, Foster and Schaub in 2012. That was pretty amazing. Some of the guys that are FA will be allowed to walk to sign Quin & maybe Dobbins, Ball, Forsett & Donnie Jones.

Dutchrudder
02-04-2013, 01:00 PM
Yeah that is what I was thinking that the cap space was tight and the FO had to do some "Magic" to sign these guys. Its going to be interesting to see what they can do this year, so many important guys FAs this year plus all the holes.

Andre, Antonio and Demeco all restructured their deals to make room for Manning and JJo. Lots of money saved from doing that, but it ended up just kicking the can down the road.