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ThaShark316
07-28-2011, 07:09 PM
Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Texans reach agreement with former Bengals CB Johnathan Joseph on a five-year deal. Nnamdi to Jets looking more likely.

El Tejano
07-28-2011, 07:12 PM
Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Texans reach agreement with former Bengals CB Johnathan Joseph on a five-year deal. Nnamdi to Jets looking more likely.

Wow! Still a good move....if true.

GP
07-28-2011, 07:13 PM
Alright then. So let's zero in here, and talk about how he fits with what we're doing.

Which of you guys feel like you've seen him play enough to get a read on it for us?

I admittedly don't watch Bengals games. And even in the times we've played them, I can't recall him.

DX-TEX
07-28-2011, 07:13 PM
Sign me a safety Bob and I am all yours!!

brakos82
07-28-2011, 07:13 PM
I think he was the guy who didn't tackle David Anderson? :thinking:

Errant Hothy
07-28-2011, 07:14 PM
Nnamdi's delaying tactics might have cost him some money. Or the Texans might have just gotten fed up of waiting.

Nawzer
07-28-2011, 07:14 PM
Thank God it's over! Welcome to Houston Mr. Joseph.

Dutchrudder
07-28-2011, 07:15 PM
He's a good corner in a run first division. Meh.

They better sign some more players to help out.

Brandon420tx
07-28-2011, 07:15 PM
I like the signing (pre numbers), but I'm so hyped with Aso right now I can't get excited. JJ's injury history is another downer for me

GuerillaBlack
07-28-2011, 07:15 PM
I'm guessing Nnamdi took too long. Wanted Nnamdi more, but Joseph and Manning (for example) would be two good signings. Still hope there is a way to get Aso also though.

cland
07-28-2011, 07:16 PM
Great move (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82908) by the team. Let's find a safety and this off-season will be a huge success.

Goatcheese
07-28-2011, 07:16 PM
"The greatest enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan." -- Prussian General Karl von Clausewitz, Vom Kriege, 1832

You can't wait around forever while FAs are being signed left and right. We need more than a corner.

El Tejano
07-28-2011, 07:16 PM
He's a good corner in a run first division. Meh.

They better sign some more players to help out.

He also comes from a coach Zimmer lead defense.

HoustonFrog
07-28-2011, 07:17 PM
I'm guessing 49ers were getting him and instad of losing both they had to get one

Brandon420tx
07-28-2011, 07:17 PM
I really thought he was going to go back to the Bengals

J_R
07-28-2011, 07:17 PM
Now go get Manning

redwhiteANDblue
07-28-2011, 07:17 PM
Any video or detials about this guy? Never seen him play

Seņor Stan
07-28-2011, 07:18 PM
If you would have told me this a week ago I would have jumped at it...thought he was staying in Cincy. Younger than Aso and hopefully leaves room for more DB help.

El Tejano
07-28-2011, 07:18 PM
Let's also remember that it is only an agreement. Nothing has settled. Seattle has shown us that. Would like to know how much we save by doing this.

euro-Texan
07-28-2011, 07:18 PM
yes!!!!!

gafftop
07-28-2011, 07:19 PM
If we really got Joseph my opinion of our braintrust just went up depending on what we paid. Now let's keep signing. I'm glad the Texans didn't play the fool.

False Start
07-28-2011, 07:19 PM
Finally some closure on the Nnamdi situation.

mariowillshine15
07-28-2011, 07:20 PM
Welcome to Houston Mr. Joseph! Now let's kick some ass!

buddyboy
07-28-2011, 07:20 PM
Great news! So glad we got Option B instead of waiting for Option A, not getting it, and ending up with Option E

TEXANS84
07-28-2011, 07:20 PM
@BrianCushing56

Welcome to Houston Mr. Joseph!

Cjeremy635
07-28-2011, 07:20 PM
Any chance we could still sign Aso? I dont know the type of money JJ warranted. 2 top notch corners would be a dream!

GP
07-28-2011, 07:21 PM
I'm guessing Nnamdi took too long. Wanted Nnamdi more, but Joseph and Manning (for example) would be two good signings. Still hope there is a way to get Aso also though.

GB,

The twitter feed a few days ago, the one for Bears-related tweets, had a guy asking about D Manning....and the reply was that he's not going back to Bears AND that he was "down in Houston waiting out free agency moves."

I can't believe I forgot to post it back when it happened. I'm on the road using iPhone. Can someone on a computer research the Manning tweets? It was Monday or Tuesday IIRC.

Could be a CB/S combo ?????

Wolf
07-28-2011, 07:21 PM
Brian Cushing
Welcome to houston Mr. Joseph!

yep, lets get another player now

mariowillshine15
07-28-2011, 07:22 PM
Joseph is younger than Nnamdi (27 to 30) so that's a plus.

TEXANS84
07-28-2011, 07:22 PM
From Andre Johnsons twitter:


Johnathan Joseph welcome to H Town. Glad your apart of the Texans
50 secs ago

Rey
07-28-2011, 07:22 PM
Any chance we could still sign Aso? I dont know the type of money JJ warranted. 2 top notch corners would be a dream!

I would think that signing cromartie is more realistic.

Allstar
07-28-2011, 07:22 PM
[QUOTE=GP;1735625]GB,

The twitter feed a few days ago, the one for Bears-related tweets, had a guy asking about D Manning....and the reply was that he's not going back to Bears AND that he was "down in Houston waiting out free agency moves."

I can't believe I forgot to post it back when it happened. I'm on the road using iPhone. Can someone on a computer research the Manning tweets? It was Monday or Tuesday IIRC.

Could be a CB/S combo ?????[/QUOTE

McClain reported a couple hours ago that we are among the final 3 choices for Manning, just waiting on an answer from Nnamdi.

Pantherstang84
07-28-2011, 07:23 PM
yep, lets get another player now

:hurrah::hurrah::hurrah:

Sweet! The Texans were determined not get left at the altar.

False Start
07-28-2011, 07:23 PM
Now let all the naysayers come out and bash the Texans for not signing Nnamdi, you know its gonna happen.

Dutchrudder
07-28-2011, 07:24 PM
Anyone want to guess how much hos contract will be?

I'll go with 5 years 45 million with 20 guaranteed. I don't think he will crack the 10 mill a year mark.

cland
07-28-2011, 07:25 PM
Any video or detials about this guy? Never seen him play

He's been considered the 2nd best available corner in the market. He's young and just starting to enter his prime years. Plays at a pro-bowl or just under level, he does have some injury concerns.

TEXANS84
07-28-2011, 07:25 PM
From Glover Quinn's twitter:

Contrats to Jonathan Joseph.. Lets make it happen this yr.. See u in Houston..
7 mins 6 secs ago

euro-Texan
07-28-2011, 07:25 PM
I like this option much more unless we paid the same price. Then I still like it, just not as much. ASO would have been great, but now we MIGHT still land Leach and a decent safety. Smart move IMO

Pantherstang84
07-28-2011, 07:25 PM
Now let all the naysayers come out and bash the Texans for not signing Nnamdi, you know its gonna happen.

Man the Texans always choke. Can't close the big deal! Now we overpaid for a scrub!:gun:

El Tejano
07-28-2011, 07:26 PM
Saw on Youtube. Looks like on alot of his INTs he's with the receiver stride for stride and alot of them are very contested INTs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tUMbjg8EmE

Rey
07-28-2011, 07:26 PM
Color me excited. Going to to go work out then smoke a fatty!

I wanted aso, but I think Joseph is an extremely good player. Going to be good to see some competent cb play.

And I am glad that the fo went after aso hard.

Kimmy
07-28-2011, 07:26 PM
Man the Texans always choke. Can't close the big deal! Now we overpaid for a scrub!:gun:

I hear the echo's of Ahman Green .....

mariowillshine15
07-28-2011, 07:26 PM
From Walterfootball: Ranked 2nd of free agent cornerbacks with a 4 1/2 star rating.

An elite NFL cornerback, Johnathan Joseph will be franchised this offseason. Joseph has expressed interest in staying with the team, which is a major plus.

HOU-TEX
07-28-2011, 07:26 PM
Love it! Final Ty an all around CB that can can play man, zone and tackle. Totally on board. Especially if we get a solid S and some front 7 depth

J_R
07-28-2011, 07:27 PM
McClain: When Joseph was ready to sign, they couldnt wait.

TexanBacker93
07-28-2011, 07:27 PM
Well, this will be our 3rd try with CBs from South Carolina. Maybe this one can work out.

Dutchrudder
07-28-2011, 07:27 PM
I like this option much more unless we paid the same price. Then I still like it, just not as much. ASO would have been great, but now we MIGHT still land Leach and a decent safety. Smart move IMO

If they get Leach and Manning with JJ, I will be one happy Texan.

DX-TEX
07-28-2011, 07:27 PM
Bob did it! He actually did it!

We signed a big time FA!!:fans::fans:

Goatcheese
07-28-2011, 07:28 PM
He's about the same as Dunta Robinson in terms of staying with his man but has better ball awareness. This move + an average or better safety brings the Texans defense back to at worst their 2009 level and potentially well above average.

gafftop
07-28-2011, 07:29 PM
What is injury history? Are we talking about his ankle? How serious was it?

euro-Texan
07-28-2011, 07:29 PM
Any chance we could still sign Aso? I dont know the type of money JJ warranted. 2 top notch corners would be a dream!

None

Pantherstang84
07-28-2011, 07:29 PM
Color me excited. Going to to go work out then smoke a fatty!

I wanted aso, but I think Joseph is an extremely good player. Going to be good to see some competent cb play.

And I am glad that the fo went after aso hard.

I guess Smithiak made the decision for Aso since he kept dangling Houston as a bargaining chip in from of the foot fetish folks. His agent has to be pissed now. Aso's price just went down.

Nawzer
07-28-2011, 07:29 PM
From Walterfootball: Ranked 2nd of free agent cornerbacks with a 4 1/2 star rating.

An elite NFL cornerback, Johnathan Joseph will be franchised this offseason. Joseph has expressed interest in staying with the team, which is a major plus.

You know how good it feels to read the words "elite" and "cornerback" associated with the Texans??!! I'm stoked! We can go and get a safety we'll have the most glaring holes in our team filled. We can still use another receiver if David Andersen gets traded. I think KJ will have a better season (and this is not hype speaking right now. I really feel KJ will be solid for us) and with Wade doing his thing, we should have a solid defense.

Pantherstang84
07-28-2011, 07:30 PM
None

Agree. Time to move on and start plugging other holes.

ArlingtonTexan
07-28-2011, 07:31 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/28/texans-back-a-cornerback-not-named-nnamdi/

ThaShark316
07-28-2011, 07:31 PM
Signed a top 5 corner...SICK stuff.

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 07:33 PM
A Joseph in hand is worth 2 Aso's in a bush.

FirstTexansFan
07-28-2011, 07:34 PM
I can live with it, was really hoping we'd pull off the Aso deal, but I gotta believe with all the information out there, his choice wasn't the Texans, and I'm ok with it being on him, not our FO. Now, bring me the best F'in safety you can find now Rick! :)

cland
07-28-2011, 07:34 PM
Good news on the safety front, we're in the running for the Bears Danieal Manning.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3696&line=207545&spln=1

brakos82
07-28-2011, 07:35 PM
A Joseph in hand is worth 2 Aso's in a bush.

Thorn said that you can kiss his aso. :kitten:

valleytexfan
07-28-2011, 07:35 PM
YES!!!! Great signing!!!! Now let's go get D. Manning! :fans:

Rey
07-28-2011, 07:36 PM
I guess Smithiak made the decision for Aso since he kept dangling Houston as a bargaining chip in from of the foot fetish folks. His agent has to be pissed now. Aso's price just went down.

Yep.

And I ain't mad at em. Aso tried to play both sides of the line and it might cost him now.

With it publicly known we are out of the race don't be surprised if his agent drums up some other team as wanting asos services.

euro-Texan
07-28-2011, 07:36 PM
A Joseph in hand is worth 2 Aso's in a bush.

Repped! Rick Smith told the star FA using the Texans as a leverage tool, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... uhh... uhh.. we don't get fooled again!"

fiasco west
07-28-2011, 07:37 PM
Was really really hoping we got Aso but I can understand the team making the deal especially if Aso seems unsure and Joseph is right there ready to sign.

I knew he was leaving the Bengals. You can blame Mike Brown for that i'm sure, not sure any player would want to play for that team with how he's handled the Palmer situation.

Now lets resign leach and grab another DB please.

Thorn
07-28-2011, 07:38 PM
Thorn said that you can kiss his aso. :kitten:

:lol:

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 07:38 PM
Texans agree to deal with Jonathan Joseph. Pessimistic Texan's fans reactions below

http://i.imgur.com/697eU.gif

Nawzer
07-28-2011, 07:38 PM
Good news on the safety front, we're in the running for the Bears Danieal Manning.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3696&line=207545&spln=1

I don't know much about Manning. How good is he? Is he more of a ball hawking safety? Where would you guys rank him in terms of the best safeties in the league?

Also, I have this weird feeling that the Texans are not done with the corner position. I think they'll sign another guy, probably not a big name, but someone who can come in an provide good depth.

Pantherstang84
07-28-2011, 07:39 PM
Repped! Rick Smith told the star FA using the Texans as a leverage tool, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... uhh... uhh.. we don't get fooled again!"

No Leigh Bodden and Orland Pace tactics this time. I'm glad the organization realized what was going on and forced the issue.

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 07:39 PM
Thorn said that you can kiss his aso. :kitten:

Well played!

welsh texan
07-28-2011, 07:39 PM
Really pleased with this news.

I really really wanted Aso, but you always have to want the top player at a position of need, the fact is, if this saves some cap room it is probably a pretty close plan b.

Now how about getting Cromartie across from him and letting KJ learn his trade from the slot? That would set us up going forward.

redwhiteANDblue
07-28-2011, 07:39 PM
dashon goldson to texans! make it happen rick!

Wolf
07-28-2011, 07:41 PM
The Houston Texans have reached agreement with Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Johnathan Joseph on a five-year deal, according to sources.

The 27-year-old Joseph, considered the Bengals top cornerback, intercepted three passes and recorded 42 tackles last season.

The 5-foot-11, 185-pound cornerback has 14 career interceptions, including six in the 2009 season when the Bengals won the AFC North.

Cincinnati selected Joseph in the first round of the 2006 draft (24th overall).

He was suspended one game in the 2007 season for violating the league's substance abuse policy due to an arrest for marijuana possession.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6813976/houston-texans-johnathan-joseph-agree-5-year-deal-sources-say

don't underestimate the influence of wade phillips LOL :tease: :joker:

brakos82
07-28-2011, 07:42 PM
hmm.... random thought, Adimchinobe Echemandu (remember him?) is Nmandi's cousin. Bring him in. :kitten:

JCTexan
07-28-2011, 07:42 PM
Great signing getting Joesph. They went hard after Aso but ended up getting an elite corner in Joesph. This definitely helps the secondary out a ton.

chicagotexan2
07-28-2011, 07:43 PM
I am happy with joseph. I doubted aso wanted to be gere and I like Joseph and hope he stays healthy. I am excited and optimistic about the defense this season inspite of okoye and kareem.

TexanSam
07-28-2011, 07:43 PM
Right on! Any other year Joseph would be one, if not the, top defensive player in free agency. Glad we finally have a competent cornerback!

Brandon420tx
07-28-2011, 07:44 PM
Really pleased with this news.

I really really wanted Aso, but you always have to want the top player at a position of need, the fact is, if this saves some cap room it is probably a pretty close plan b.

Now how about getting Cromartie across from him and letting KJ learn his trade from the slot? That would set us up going forward.

KJ can battle Harris for the nickle position in camp while sitting behind JoJo and JAllen, please make it happen Wade

Grams
07-28-2011, 07:45 PM
Welcome to Houston!!!!!

:fans:

ThaShark316
07-28-2011, 07:46 PM
Keep talking, negative folks...

@KCJoynerTFS: Joseph has a better 2-yr YPA than Asomugha on nearly 3 times as many targets.

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 07:49 PM
My reaction to Joseph agreeing to come here?

http://segundo3000gt.com/images/Fark2/huzzah.jpg

welsh texan
07-28-2011, 07:49 PM
Aso's agent just heard the news;

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lls2un5wY81qfmmr3.gif

False Start
07-28-2011, 07:50 PM
I just had to play this song (http://youtu.be/usfiAsWR4qU), in celebration of the Texans finally making a splash in free agency! :jam:

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 07:51 PM
I really really wanted Aso, but you always have to want the top player at a position of need, the fact is, if this saves some cap room it is probably a pretty close plan b.

Now how about getting Cromartie across from him and letting KJ learn his trade from the slot? That would set us up going forward.

Let's not start twisting things, this had nothing to do with saving money, it's about getting business done & moving on. For all we know (because I haven't seen the money) we may be paying Joseph $12 Million

Which I would be fine with.

We put $14 Million on the table for Nnamdi, he balked, we walked...

Chances are that he will go to the Jets for the $12M they offered, Cromartie would go to the 49ers....

Maybe we can also pick up a Carr or Clements as well as Manning.

mariowillshine15
07-28-2011, 07:51 PM
Keep talking, negative folks...

@KCJoynerTFS: Joseph has a better 2-yr YPA than Asomugha on nearly 3 times as many targets.

Read this anyone feeling disappointed about Aso and get pumped for Joseph.

valleytexfan
07-28-2011, 07:52 PM
Joseph and Jason Allen the starters. Brandon Harris, Kareem Jackson and Roc Carmichael backing up or in nickel...Glover Quin and Danieal Manning the safeties...I can definitely handle this!! :thisbig:

fiasco west
07-28-2011, 07:53 PM
Aso's agent just heard the news;

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lls2un5wY81qfmmr3.gif

Lol I think Tampa has jumped in the race. They have the most cap space...I really think Aso & His agent are using a few teams for leverage now.

Glad this is over with.

steelbtexan
07-28-2011, 07:53 PM
I can live with it, was really hoping we'd pull off the Aso deal, but I gotta believe with all the information out there, his choice wasn't the Texans, and I'm ok with it being on him, not our FO. Now, bring me the best F'in safety you can find now Rick! :)

^^^^
This

Thanks for not getting played. BoB,Gary and Rick

Thorn
07-28-2011, 07:54 PM
Well, whatever anyone says about our new JJ, he's got to be better than what we have right now, so any way you look at this it's a good thing.

fiasco west
07-28-2011, 07:56 PM
Going to the Bengals forum...they aren't happy about this one bit. That's how you know you got a player.

Kimmy
07-28-2011, 07:57 PM
Well, whatever anyone says about our new JJ, he's got to be better than what we have right now, so any way you look at this it's a good thing.

My husband said; "Now you have a new JJ to yell at" LOL

welsh texan
07-28-2011, 07:57 PM
Let's not start twisting things, this had nothing to do with saving money, it's about getting business done & moving on. For all we know (because I haven't seen the money) we may be paying Joseph $12 Million

Which I would be fine with.

We put $14 Million on the table for Nnamdi, he balked, we walked...

Chances are that he will go to the Jets for the $12M they offered, Cromartie would go to the 49ers....

Maybe we can also pick up a Carr or Clements as well as Manning.

I think you've misunderstood me a little there mate, I'm simply saying I'm pretty happy with this outcome, I'd have been a bit happier had we signed Aso player for player, but I wrote if this saves us enough extra $$ to go out and get better at other positions as well then it might be a positive thing for us going forward.

False Start
07-28-2011, 07:57 PM
Going to the Bengals forum...they aren't happy about this one bit. That's how you know you got a player.

Gotta link?

fiasco west
07-28-2011, 08:00 PM
Gotta link?

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=83574

Chance_C
07-28-2011, 08:00 PM
Welcome Mr. Joseph!! This is my way if celebrating!! http://tapatalk.com/mu/a6cd08c7-0631-cafc.jpg

TheIronDuke
07-28-2011, 08:03 PM
Gotta link?

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=83574&page=2

TheIronDuke
07-28-2011, 08:04 PM
http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=83574

Ninja'd.

Mr. White
07-28-2011, 08:04 PM
....and the Nnamdi thread's still going strong.

Man, am I glad this is over.

Pantherstang84
07-28-2011, 08:05 PM
http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=83574

Good stuff in that thread. That board is ready to pick up pitchforks and molotov cocktails.

False Start
07-28-2011, 08:05 PM
I like how some of the Bengals fans are saying good riddance, I guess all fans are the same no matter what team you root for, lol.

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 08:06 PM
Going to the Bengals forum...they aren't happy about this one bit. That's how you know you got a player.

They are up in arms. If we thought Bob takes grief, Mike Brown seems to get 10 fold.

Hervoyel
07-28-2011, 08:07 PM
Nnamdi's delaying tactics might have cost him some money. Or the Texans might have just gotten fed up of waiting.

He probably had the Texans in there to help drive the price up into the area he wanted, then told them he was either going to stay in the bay area (49ers) or move to NYC.

That's just what my jerking knee tells me.

This is fine though. It's not like the Texans are the kind of team that goes out and gets the best when they have a chance to do so anyway. We're more the "He's a real good value.... and he played for Bob's Alma Mater!" type of free agency players.

Allstar
07-28-2011, 08:07 PM
Well, whatever anyone says about our new JJ, he's got to be better than what we have right now, so any way you look at this it's a good thing.

Don't forget about JJ Watt :ahhaha:

Mr teX
07-28-2011, 08:07 PM
Something broke late today from the namdi camp about him prefering to go to NY....maybe that had something to do with Rick & co. Turning their attention to JJ...its like i & a few others have been saying all along...the player has to want to come here...if he doesnt, you just look stupid trying to press the issue.

Allstar
07-28-2011, 08:09 PM
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Joseph gets 5 years, $48.75 million and $23.5 guaranteed, including $12.5 signing bonus.


just under $10 mil a pop... beats 12-14.

edit: ugh math

brakos82
07-28-2011, 08:09 PM
Don't forget about JJ Watt :ahhaha:

:ahhaha:

euro-Texan
07-28-2011, 08:10 PM
He probably had the Texans in there to help drive the price up into the area he wanted, then told them he was either going to stay in the bay area (49ers) or move to NYC.

That's just what my jerking knee tells me.

This is fine though. It's not like the Texans are the kind of team that goes out and gets the best when they have a chance to do so anyway. We're more the "He's a real good value.... and he played for Bob's Alma Mater!" type of free agency players.

I doubt he told them anything. It would have been in his best interest to keep us hanging on until the bitter end. This will cost him $$$$

TheIronDuke
07-28-2011, 08:11 PM
Don't forget about JJ Watt :ahhaha:

Wonder what JJ Moses is up to?

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 08:11 PM
He probably had the Texans in there to help drive the price up into the area he wanted, then told them he was either going to stay in the bay area (49ers) or move to NYC.

That's just what my jerking knee tells me.

This is fine though. It's not like the Texans are the kind of team that goes out and gets the best when they have a chance to do so anyway. We're more the "He's a real good value.... and he played for Bob's Alma Mater!" type of free agency players.

I am not sure even Aso knows what he wants. I think pretty much the whole time, the Texans were speaking to Aso and Joseph. They talked to both agents about parameters of deals. They gave an offer to Aso's agent and put a time limit. At the same time, they worked with Joseph's agent to find an area that was suitable for him. Then when they felt they were close to JJ, they put out an ultimatum to Aso: take it or leave it. He either rejected or hemmed and hawed so the Texans closed the deal on JJ.

Would love to see Tampa Bay or SF get Aso now.

euro-Texan
07-28-2011, 08:11 PM
I think Private Mccain tweeted that they made offers to both and when JJ accepted, they decided not to wait any longer and lose out on both

GlassHalfFull
07-28-2011, 08:12 PM
http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=83574&page=2

Always nice to see a fan base more miserable that ours.

:fans:

Nice signing. I would so love to have a defense this year.

Wolf
07-28-2011, 08:12 PM
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Joseph gets 5 years, $48.75 million and $23.5 guaranteed, including $12.5 signing bonus.


just under $9 mil a pop... beats 12-14.



gives us room to get someone else

Mr. White
07-28-2011, 08:13 PM
They are up in arms. If we thought Bob takes grief, Mike Brown seems to get 10 fold.

And he deserves it 10x more too.

Their season of "Hard Knocks" showed just how bad he is at running a business.

phantom17
07-28-2011, 08:14 PM
GREAT move by dem Texans! I wonder if Coach Wade had a little affect on JJ's decision to sign, besides the $ !:thisbig::specnatz:

Allstar
07-28-2011, 08:14 PM
gives us room to get someone else

Hell if Santonio Holmes' $50 mil contract is only a $2.5 mil, we sure as hell should have room for someone else.

skenney_11
07-28-2011, 08:15 PM
Hell if Santonio Holmes' $50 mil contract is only a $2.5 mil, we sure as hell should have room for someone else.

Amen

Wolf
07-28-2011, 08:15 PM
Always nice to see a fan base more miserable that ours.

:fans:

Nice signing. I would so love to have a defense this year.

reading some of the comments about MB reminded me of some thread on here about Bob

It is nice to be on the other side of it for once :hurrah::fans:

TEXANS84
07-28-2011, 08:16 PM
From Adam Schefter, interesting stats:


Interesting stats... RT @KCJoynerTFS: Joseph has a better 2-yr YPA than Asomugha on nearly 3 times as many targets.
29 mins 58 secs ago

Playoffs
07-28-2011, 08:17 PM
Digging this -- welcome J Joe!

:logo:

beerlover
07-28-2011, 08:21 PM
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Joseph gets 5 years, $48.75 million and $23.5 guaranteed, including $12.5 signing bonus.


just under $9 mil a pop... beats 12-14.

Seems close to Dunta Robinson numbers going to Atlanta, think it averaged about 8.75 mil.

badboy
07-28-2011, 08:23 PM
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Joseph gets 5 years, $48.75 million and $23.5 guaranteed, including $12.5 signing bonus.


just under $10 mil a pop... beats 12-14.

edit: ugh math$9.75m year if McClains # correct. Right at $12m cap hit

Grforces
07-28-2011, 08:24 PM
Haven't posted in a while due to being depressed about the lock-out. Im so f ing excited we got JJ. We had a above average draft this season IMO. With wade Im stocked. When I think of the players we have on D, im getting more and more excited. We add the saftey, and get the Cushing from his rookie year, We def finish first in AFC SOUTH!

HoustonFrog
07-28-2011, 08:25 PM
Good move but doesn't excite me. But solid, good move. That's it.....

mariowillshine15
07-28-2011, 08:26 PM
From Walterfootball: Grade A-

The Texans decided against spending a ridiculous amount of money for Nnamdi Asomugha, opting instead for the cheaper route. I actually like this move better because Johnathan Joseph is three years younger and isn't nearly as expensive as Asomugha. Joseph, 27, is a terrific cornerback with shutdown ability.

Goatcheese
07-28-2011, 08:28 PM
Seems close to Dunta Robinson numbers going to Atlanta, think it averaged about 8.75 mil.

According to Rotoworld

Robinson got 6 years $57, $25.5 guaranteed, $7 signing bonus

Joseph got 5 years $48.75, $23.5 guaranteed, $12.5 signing bonus

TEXANRED
07-28-2011, 08:29 PM
Solid CB. Good move by the Texans. Now we need to shore up the safety spot and we are gonna rock this year.

Porky
07-28-2011, 08:29 PM
What are y'all so excited about? He's only arguably the best corner this team has ever had, and easily the best FA signing this team has ever made. :hurrah:

Now, with the money saved from aso-hole, let's sign Manning or another pretty good midlevel strong safety, and we have the makings of a competent secondary - not great but decent, and with a better pass rush (crossing fingers) and better personnel maybe we get to the average or even better mark on D. Arguing against that is lack of practice and classroom time with these guys. I think there is going to be a learning curve and they will get better over the season.

badboy
07-28-2011, 08:29 PM
Can someone discuss his injury history and how healthy he is now?

GP
07-28-2011, 08:30 PM
I am agreeing with what Thunderkyss and Herv have said.

Man, this is really really really good news! It feels like Bob hung in there as long as he could, but had to bail and get JJo to make sure he got SOMETHING and has a means to maybe get Manning too?!?!

Hellz to the yeah.

b0ng
07-28-2011, 08:30 PM
Football owns. Mike Brown owns, God the Bengals are retarded.

TexanSam
07-28-2011, 08:30 PM
According to Rotoworld

Robinson got 6 years $57, $25.5 guaranteed, $7 signing bonus

Joseph got 5 years $48.75, $23.5 guaranteed, $12.5 signing bonus

Wow. Kinda shocked that Atlanta signed Dunta to such a large contract

fiasco west
07-28-2011, 08:31 PM
Haven't posted in a while due to being depressed about the lock-out. Im so f ing excited we got JJ. We had a above average draft this season IMO. With wade Im stocked. When I think of the players we have on D, im getting more and more excited. We add the saftey, and get the Cushing from his rookie year, We def finish first in AFC SOUTH!

Don't forget about Watt. He's gonna be a monster i'm sure of it.

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 08:31 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL

John McClain
@McClain_on_NFL John McClain
The Texans will have to redo a lot of contracts or release players next week to free up cap dollars. They wanted either Asomugha or Joseph.


Says Mcclain. hmmmm did his signing affect us in the salary cap that much ?

TEXANRED
07-28-2011, 08:31 PM
Wow. Kinda shocked that Atlanta signed Dunta to such a large contract

And it was a lot of money for a second tier CB.

SheTexan
07-28-2011, 08:33 PM
AND a happy Shetexan will go to bed with a smile on her face!! NEVER wanted ASO to start with! Arrogance and greed will be his demise, just wait and see! JMO!!

Welcome to Houston JJ #3!! Let's play some football!!!

Oz Texan
07-28-2011, 08:36 PM
I am really excited for this pickup. Just think if Aso wsa not in this Free Agent class JJo would be THE defensive free agent. WE finally pulled thr trigger on a playmaker in FA. Now I have an idea that might not work as I dont know how much it would cost, try to get Cromartie now and move a decent sized JAllen to saftey. Or on the other hand leave JAllen where he is and pick up Manning/Landry and I'll be even happier either way.

:fingergun: Bang bang pick up!

Brandon420tx
07-28-2011, 08:36 PM
Well ... taking out his signing bonus, that means he gets 11 million guaranteed spread out over 5 years, makes it 2.2 million. Leaving 25.25 million in salary spread out over 5 years is 5.05 average salary ... usually salary is escalated more towards the back end. His actual cap hit this season might be lower than 7.25 million. Unless signing bonuses count against the cap year, I'm a little unclear on that

fiasco west
07-28-2011, 08:37 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL

John McClain
@McClain_on_NFL John McClain
The Texans will have to redo a lot of contracts or release players next week to free up cap dollars. They wanted either Asomugha or Joseph.


Says Mcclain. hmmmm did his signing affect us in the salary cap that much ?

sigh....this guy...

Obviously the Texans wanted either Joseph or Aso. We'll see about restructuring, but he's literally the only person i've heard say this. He's been pushing this whole "Texans must restructure to get Aso." thing all the time.

ThaJokaa
07-28-2011, 08:38 PM
I'm glad, still wanted Nmadi tho. But we have more money for a good Safety now, let's go get one!

Ole Miss Texan
07-28-2011, 08:39 PM
Finally checking the boards again. If anyone can rep gtexan02 please please do it for me. He called me and informed me of the great news!!!

First off I'll say I have been VERY optimistic about landing Asomugha this offseason. I'm really glad that we literally backed up the brinks truck to his place. I love it. I also love hearing Weddle was up at 3am this am telling his wife they're moving to Houston just to hear back from SD today that they upped our offer.

I wanted Aso. Bad. Still do. With that said I love this signing of Joseph. Please let us get Danieal Manning too. This is HUGE guys.

Now tin foil hat. What if we agreed to terms with JJ under the conditions we don't close with Aso by midnight or noon tomorrow!?? Stay with me and my tin foil hat. Texans leak that we have "agreed to terms" with Joseph. Nobody can sign till tomorrow. Aso and his agent are shittin bricks now and may finally quit dicking us around. Could sign Aso still and "void" Joseph for lack of better words.

Not saying that's what's up though. I'm fricking thrilled. Our defense is legit! Let's get Manning or Landry!!!

RTP2110
07-28-2011, 08:39 PM
::looks Rick Smith in the eye, and gives him the silent "good job" nod::

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 08:39 PM
And it was a lot of money for a second tier CB.

How much does a second tier Cornerback go for?

Fox
07-28-2011, 08:41 PM
Good move IMO. I think Aso was preferable, but we may have lost that battle with the Jets. We'll get more of Joseph's prime years than we would with Aso, and it leaves us more cash to negotiate with another DB.

mariowillshine15
07-28-2011, 08:42 PM
How much does a second tier Cornerback go for?

Josh Wilson went to the Redskins for 3 years about 13 million. I think that's in line with 2nd tier corners.

But with the demand for corners the money starts escalating fast and Dunta was the "Big Name" on the market that year.

Hence the overpayment.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 08:42 PM
I'm glad, still wanted Nmadi tho. But we have more money for a good Safety now, let's go get one!

We went after the top Safety in the class... Weddle, while we were going after Aso.

Money is no object to Mr. McNair, regardless what some disenchanted Texans' fans want you to believe.

TEXANRED
07-28-2011, 08:42 PM
The more I think about it the more excited I am getting. I think KJ lost his starting spot. If they are smart they Grab Manning, start the Safety we drafted and have KJ sit for a year learning how to be an NFL CB before he suffers anymore trauma.

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 08:43 PM
Finally checking the boards again. If anyone can rep gtexan02 please please do it for me. He called me and informed me of the great news!!!

Done.

GuerillaBlack
07-28-2011, 08:44 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL

John McClain
@McClain_on_NFL John McClain
The Texans will have to redo a lot of contracts or release players next week to free up cap dollars. They wanted either Asomugha or Joseph.


Says Mcclain. hmmmm did his signing affect us in the salary cap that much ?

LMAO, John McClain is like Captain Obvious. How many times is he going to say this? Like no one knows that the Texans have to do that...

AnthonyE
07-28-2011, 08:44 PM
I really wanted Aso badly, but JJ will have to do!

Personally, I'd love for us to sign Antonio "Manning Killer" Cromartie along with JJ. There's another guy that would love to be with us, too. And he's said it all offseason. Maybe we could get him at a cap-friendly deal.

TEXANRED
07-28-2011, 08:45 PM
How much does a second tier Cornerback go for?

What was Faggin's last contract?

However Atlanta feels a second tier CB is worth 6 years $57, $25.5 guaranteed, $7 signing bonus

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 08:45 PM
Josh Wilson went to the Redskins for 3 years about 13 million. I think that's in line with 2nd tier corners.

But with the demand for corners the money starts escalating fast and Dunta was the "Big Name" on the market that year.

Hence the overpayment.

So tier 1 is $12m/yr
& tier 2 is $4m/yr


REally?

spurstexanstros
07-28-2011, 08:45 PM
From Glover Quinn's twitter:

Contrats to Jonathan Joseph.. Lets make it happen this yr.. See u in Houston..
7 mins 6 secs ago

sure it wasnt knock it down mr joseph....and not in field of play...


sorry couldnt resist....after billionth time seeing that jags blip on nfln , no one in right mind would question this signing

ThaJokaa
07-28-2011, 08:46 PM
We went after the top Safety in the class... Weddle, while we were going after Aso.

Money is no object to Mr. McNair, regardless what some disenchanted Texans' fans want you to believe.

If remember reading right all the talk of Nmadi coming to Houston started after we lost weddle. I think the original plan was Weddle & Joseph IMO

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 08:46 PM
The more I think about it the more excited I am getting. I think KJ lost his starting spot. If they are smart they Grab Manning, start the Safety we drafted and have KJ sit for a year learning how to be an NFL CB before he suffers anymore trauma.

If they were smart they would throw them all in a bucket & let them compete for their jobs in camp.

DBCooper
07-28-2011, 08:47 PM
The more I think about it the more excited I am getting. I think KJ lost his starting spot. If they are smart they Grab Manning, start the Safety we drafted and have KJ sit for a year learning how to be an NFL CB before he suffers anymore trauma.

I predict KJ will look alot better this season.

GuerillaBlack
07-28-2011, 08:49 PM
The more I think about it the more excited I am getting. I think KJ lost his starting spot. If they are smart they Grab Manning, start the Safety we drafted and have KJ sit for a year learning how to be an NFL CB before he suffers anymore trauma.

I think it was highly unlikely that KJ would keep his starting job. It's going to be JJ at the one and Allen as the 2. KJ will be the nickel, and Quin + Manning (hopefully) will be our safeties.

ThaJokaa
07-28-2011, 08:49 PM
I predict KJ will look alot better this season.

I Co-Sign

Allstar
07-28-2011, 08:50 PM
Clearly John McClain has made a magnificent discovery in this restructuring concept. The NFL will never be the same.

TEXANRED
07-28-2011, 08:51 PM
I predict KJ will look alot better this season.

Me and my liver hope so.

I don't know though. With the lockout eliminating the offseason he might as well be pushing a bolder up hill.

Brandon420tx
07-28-2011, 08:52 PM
So tier 1 is $12m/yr
& tier 2 is $4m/yr


REally?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Josh Wilson should have gotten a bigger payday, or at least signed with us to be CB #2 (I wanted him, more than cromartie actually).

The league is flooded with tier 2 corners, most teams start 2. Josh Wilson is a mid to upper tier 2 corner, with tier 1 potential, the skins actually made a great deal on that one.

JoJo, when healthy is a mid tier 1 corner, ranging down to high tier 2 when hurt. His deal isn't going to be as cap intensive this year as McClain thinks. For one, first year salary is usually the lowest on the contract, and for 2, when the NFL gets its new TV contracts the salary caps are going to skyrocket, thats why its so important this offseason to get the all best players that you possibly can.

The Redskins are currently attempting to do this, with Wilson, Bowen, Cofield, reupping Moss and stealing Otogwe, some of their moves are still questionable, but I understand the ideology of the approach they are taking and hopefully now that we're out of the Nnamdi shadow we can do the same

mariowillshine15
07-28-2011, 08:52 PM
So tier 1 is $12m/yr
& tier 2 is $4m/yr


REally?

Depends on how you define the tiers.

Tier 1 being elite corners and tier 2 being good, solid corners.

It's probably more like 6-8 million for tier 2 guys because of the demand for the position.

Some teams have to overpay to get those guys to come in.

TEXANRED
07-28-2011, 08:53 PM
I think it was highly unlikely that KJ would keep his starting job. It's going to be JJ at the one and Allen as the 2. KJ will be the nickel, and Quin + Manning (hopefully) will be our safeties.

I don't believe Allen is on the team at the moment.

And forgive me cus I know there is a lot of Allen love on this board, but Allen was horrible. Just horrible. My opinion.

I am thinking Quinn and JJo as our starting CB's.

welsh texan
07-28-2011, 08:53 PM
I am really excited for this pickup. Just think if Aso wsa not in this Free Agent class JJo would be THE defensive free agent. WE finally pulled thr trigger on a playmaker in FA. Now I have an idea that might not work as I dont know how much it would cost, try to get Cromartie now and move a decent sized JAllen to saftey. Or on the other hand leave JAllen where he is and pick up Manning/Landry and I'll be even happier either way.

:fingergun: Bang bang pick up!

Pretty sure a big reason for J Allen falling out with Miami was that he didn't want to play safety, I'm going to research that now as it could be total bollocks.

brakos82
07-28-2011, 08:54 PM
I predict KJ will look alot better this season.

It's a lot easier covering #3 WR than a #1. :kitten:

DX-TEX
07-28-2011, 08:54 PM
Can we fix the guys name in the title before he sees it and regrets signing?

DocBar
07-28-2011, 08:55 PM
Looks like Mcmanis is goona get a new #

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 08:56 PM
I don't believe Allen is on the team at the moment.

And forgive me cus I know there is a lot of Allen love on this board, but Allen was horrible. Just horrible. My opinion.

I am thinking Quinn and JJo as our starting CB's.

:foottap: take allen over K. Jac

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 08:56 PM
I predict KJ will look alot better this season.

Joseph slots into 1 CB spot. The other spot is up in the air and will be fought over by Allen, Jackson, McManus, Harrison, and Carmichael.

I think what we will see is this:

CB1: Joseph
CB2: Allen
Nickel:Jackson
Dime:Harrison

Reserve on squad: Carmicahel
Practice Squad: McManus

Cut: McCain, Moulden.

Brandon420tx
07-28-2011, 08:58 PM
Joseph slots into 1 CB spot. The other spot is up in the air and will be fought over by Allen, Jackson, McManus, Harrison, and Carmichael.

I think what we will see is this:

CB1: Joseph
CB2: Allen
Nickel:Jackson
Dime:Harrison

Reserve on squad: Carmicahel
Practice Squad: McManus

Cut: McCain, Moulden.

I would like this but I still see us going with 6 on the roster (5 active on gameday)

Rey
07-28-2011, 08:58 PM
If they were smart they would throw them all in a bucket & let them compete for their jobs in camp.

This. Or try to sign cromartie.

DBCooper
07-28-2011, 08:58 PM
Me and my liver hope so.

I don't know though. With the lockout eliminating the offseason he might as well be pushing a bolder up hill.

Mine too, lol.


Having a proven vet opposite him would have helped him last year.

Sign a real safety, and the Son of Bum calling the shots, I think he looks tremendously better.

DocBar
07-28-2011, 08:58 PM
Damn. I wonder if we could trade for hall also....

whiskeyrbl
07-28-2011, 08:58 PM
And it was a lot of money for a second tier CB.

Revis asked for $162 million over 10 years, while the Jets offered $122 million for the same period, ESPN said.

Nnamdi Asomugha of the Oakland Raiders is the NFL’s highest-paid cornerback in terms of average value, with a three- year, $45.3 million contract.

Darrelle Revis Practices With Jets After Seven-Month Contract Impasse Ends


Q
By Erik Matuszewski - Sep 6, 2010 11:01 PM CT

Info from Bloomberg.
Actually not to bad IMO

welsh texan
07-28-2011, 08:59 PM
Found it.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/09/alabama_in_the_nfl_dolphins_ja.htmlI really hate to use excuses, but I think going from corner to safety, corner to safety, back to corner really slowed down my progress. Just having this opportunity to focus on the cornerback position the past two years, knowing that at no time am I going back to safety, it allowed me to blossom....

Allstar
07-28-2011, 09:01 PM
Joseph slots into 1 CB spot. The other spot is up in the air and will be fought over by Allen, Jackson, McManus, Harrison, and Carmichael.

I think what we will see is this:

CB1: Joseph
CB2: Allen
Nickel:Jackson
Dime:Harrison

Reserve on squad: Carmicahel
Practice Squad: McManus

Cut: McCain, Moulden.

Not elligible

TexansSeminole
07-28-2011, 09:01 PM
Pretty sure a big reason for J Allen falling out with Miami was that he didn't want to play safety, I'm going to research that now as it could be total bollocks.

The reason Allen fell out with Miami is that he sucks.

People counting on Allen to be a solid #2 are going to be very disappointed. Dude played below average for us and people think he is a legit starter?

We are better off letting K Jax grow. Allen has disappointed time and time again.

It should be Joseph 1, K Max 2. Let Harris fight it out with Allen for the nickel. My guess is that Harris outplays him pretty quickly.

JimBaker488
07-28-2011, 09:01 PM
He's a good corner in a run first division. Meh.

They better sign some more players to help out.
You mean you already bitchin ? They got the second best corner available in FA this year, can't you give them a chance ?

beerlover
07-28-2011, 09:03 PM
does anyone know if the Bengals even made an offer to keep Joseph? at least the Texans did make a serious offer to "pay me rick" Dunta Robinson before he jolted for Atlanta. We should have a little symphony for Bengal fans plight & maybe a moment of silence........














OK :fans:

ThaJokaa
07-28-2011, 09:04 PM
Ill put this here if it hasn't already been posted...
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fw atch%3Fv%3D9tUMbjg8EmE&v=9tUMbjg8EmE&gl=US

Sry guys I'm on my phone...

Rey
07-28-2011, 09:04 PM
I'm starting to think that the texans used aso to get jojo.

They have been documented as going after weddle and other safeties.

Maybe they used aso to put pressure on the guy they wanted all along.

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 09:04 PM
The reason Allen fell out with Miami is that he sucks.

People counting on Allen to be a solid #2 are going to be very disappointed. Dude played below average for us and people think he is a legit starter?

We are better off letting K Jax grow. Allen has disappointed time and time again.

he did good for us last season. I think if we go off of what they have done in the NFL, Allen wins over K. Jackson

Oz Texan
07-28-2011, 09:05 PM
Found it.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/09/alabama_in_the_nfl_dolphins_ja.html

Yes but from all i have read he does have the ability to play saftey and decently well from all accounts. So start playing safety behind cromartie and JJo or not. I would take the start. Again all depends on if the Cromartie pickup is even possible.

TEXANRED
07-28-2011, 09:05 PM
:foottap: take allen over K. Jac

Well yeah. But hopefully I don't have to choose between bowl of turd A and bowl of turd B after this offseason is over.

TexansSeminole
07-28-2011, 09:06 PM
he did good for us last season. I think if we go off of what they have done in the NFL, Allen wins over K. Jackson

He did not do good for us. He played better than our piss poor secondary for a PORTION of a season.

Allen is not a good cornerback plain and simple.

You will see, as did Saban, Cameron, and the rest of the league.

JamesBill
07-28-2011, 09:07 PM
I predict KJ will look alot better this season.

Yeah he will look awesome. His jersey will remain extremely clean on the bench.

SteveSlaton20
07-28-2011, 09:07 PM
Let's kick some ass JJ!

welsh texan
07-28-2011, 09:07 PM
The reason Allen fell out with Miami is that he sucks.

People counting on Allen to be a solid #2 are going to be very disappointed. Dude played below average for us and people think he is a legit starter?

We are better off letting K Jax grow. Allen has disappointed time and time again.

I know what you mean. My worry with him is that he's a Texans mid-season FA who came in mid-season and was better than what we had. They usually look just as bad as whoever we had before by the time they've been through a Texans training camp, but hey, we're in a new era of optimism :fingergun:

The real problem that I've posted a few times about that I see is that we put our rookies in positions where they have to play significant roles in year #1 and they either sink or swim. KJ sank last year, and I'd argue he needs to sit and play nickel for a year to get back on track.

DBCooper
07-28-2011, 09:09 PM
he did good for us last season. I think if we go off of what they have done in the NFL, Allen wins over K. Jackson

I agree with you, I think Allen was our best CB last year, but that's not saying much.

I just haven't given up on KJ yet, I think he was put in a bad situation and didn't have enough to be able to handle it.

You put him in a situation where he doesn't have to be "the guy" and hopefully he's able to learn the game instead of picking his cleats up off the field.

Brandon420tx
07-28-2011, 09:10 PM
Jason Allen is not a #1 CB. We currently have a bunch of #3 CBs either because of their play level or their experience level. Of the 3 JAllen, Kjack, and Harris, I'd rather have JAllen play CB#2, because of his experiance.

This way he won't be asked to cover the top WR threat (in Miami) and hopefully we sign a safety and GQ works out so he won't have to struggle with no safety help (in Houston)

beerlover
07-28-2011, 09:10 PM
Jason Allen is out of position playing CB in the NFL the Texans just had very few viable options last season. When coming out of Tennessee Jason was rated pretty even with Michael Huff for the top FS available. So it would not surprise me with Wade if he did get some reps there to take a look.

TexansSeminole
07-28-2011, 09:11 PM
Our corners were horribly coached last year and put in terrible situations.

Wolf
07-28-2011, 09:13 PM
Brian Cushing
What do u think of the signing?? im hearing hes fast physical and very talented
https://www.facebook.com/briancushing56/posts/263002803714771

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 09:14 PM
Jason Allen is out of position playing CB in the NFL the Texans just had very few viable options last season. When coming out of Tennessee Jason was rated pretty even with Michael Huff for the top FS available. So it would not surprise me with Wade if he did get some reps there to take a look.

So, if he is better as a backup FS, who do you see playing opposite JJ, Jackson?

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 09:17 PM
I don't believe Allen is on the team at the moment.

And forgive me cus I know there is a lot of Allen love on this board, but Allen was horrible. Just horrible. My opinion.

I am thinking Quinn and JJo as our starting CB's.

I'm sure they are serious about moving Quin to safety.

The other corner is going to be KJac, Allen, Harris, or another player yet to be signed, like Brandon Carr.

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 09:18 PM
He did not do good for us. He played better than our piss poor secondary for a PORTION of a season.

Allen is not a good cornerback plain and simple.

You will see, as did Saban, Cameron, and the rest of the league.

did we watch the same games ? The J. Allen i saw this season was very consistent. All the film i have seen of him in Miami was very good. Go back and watch when he played against Randy Moss when Randy was tearing it up. The guy can play CB and he is more physical with WRs than any of our other CBs.

BigBull17
07-28-2011, 09:18 PM
It's a lot easier covering #3 WR than Ajiritutu. :kitten:

Fixed it

TexansSeminole
07-28-2011, 09:18 PM
So, if he is better as a backup FS, who do you see playing opposite JJ, Jackson?

Yea, Kareem Jackson. His upside is 10 times higher than Allen.

TexansSeminole
07-28-2011, 09:19 PM
did we watch the same games ? The J. Allen i saw this season was very consistent. All the film i have seen of him in Miami was very good. Go back and watch when he played against Randy Moss when Randy was tearing it up. The guy can play CB and he is more physical with WRs than any of our other CBs.

I watched every single Miami Dolphins game for the last 5 years as I live in Florida.

Jason Allen is not good.

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 09:19 PM
Yea, Kareem Jackson. His upside is 10 times higher than Allen.

based on what, last seasons play ? NFL experience ? College ? No none of the above.

TexansSeminole
07-28-2011, 09:20 PM
based on what, last seasons play ? NFL experience ? College ? No none of the above.

Based on the use of my eyeballs.

You'll see.

beerlover
07-28-2011, 09:21 PM
So, if he is better as a backup FS, who do you see playing opposite JJ, Jackson?

I'm suggesting this may take some of the pressure off signing a FA safety. That the Texans could now choose to lock up Leach & renegotiate other contracts to help the cap situation going forward to remain flexible.

In regards to your question I would like to wait & see how the competition turns out during camp in Wade Phillips system. I would not be opposed to using Kareem in nickle packages to get his swag back & leave Quin opposite Joseph if that's how they respond to coaching. Certain positions are set going into the season, JJ Watt & Antonio Smith DE, Mario OLB, Cushing & DeMeco ILB & now Joseph the hot corner. Rest all yet to be earned. :fingergun:

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 09:21 PM
I watched every single Miami Dolphins game for the last 5 years as I live in Florida.

Jason Allen is not good.

OK thats fine, But look at our boy J. Babin sometimes a change of view can make a player better, if we go off of how Allen played last season he needs to be considered our #2 CB. We can let K. Jac be but we better get some better safties first, otherwise who will fix his mess up when he gets BURNED more just as he did last season.

Allstar
07-28-2011, 09:21 PM
Let's not all fall in love with Jason Allen after a portion of a season. A certain Mr Bennet Mr Demps and Mr Pollard come to mind...

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 09:22 PM
Based on the use of my eyeballs.

You'll see.

Oh ok so just personal opinion. i gotcha, well FACT is J. Allen played better than K. Jac last season. Statistically and in my eyes as well.

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 09:22 PM
Yea, Kareem Jackson. His upside is 10 times higher than Allen.

Possibly, but his confidence is shaken. He needs to be put in a situation where he will do well and get that swagger back. Nickel is the best place for him to do just that. Then when he is ready he slides into the #2 CB spot and Quinn slides into Nickel. Next year Harrison slides into Nickel full time.

DocBar
07-28-2011, 09:22 PM
According to Rotoworld

Robinson got 6 years $57, $25.5 guaranteed, $7 signing bonus

Joseph got 5 years $48.75, $23.5 guaranteed, $12.5 signing bonus

DROB isn't nearly as good as Joseph imo. I'm glad he's gone and Joseph is here. After watching that youtube link, I really want a trade to get Hall.

aussie_texan
07-28-2011, 09:24 PM
well I'm back and well rested.

we didn't get some ASO but in the long run this might be a better deal, allows us to get a quality safety instead of settling for the cowgirl from dallas.

Joseph is a very good player and a HUGE upgrade for us, I'm really likely the way the FO went about this.
From reports they said they tried to wait for some ASO but didn't want to waste time so they pulled the trigger on joseph which surely means we have other plans for FA agency

TEXANRED
07-28-2011, 09:25 PM
I'm sure they are serious about moving Quin to safety.

The other corner is going to be KJac, Allen, Harris, or another player yet to be signed, like Brandon Carr.

I would agree in a normal off-season but to move a player in the NFL to a brand position with only 4 weeks to learn is...................OK is something that the Texans are know for.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 09:26 PM
he did good for us last season. I think if we go off of what they have done in the NFL, Allen wins over K. Jackson

With Dunta Robinson being the best example of a cornerback for so long, I can understand why we have a hard time distinguishing good Corner-play from bad.

But Allen was just as inconsistent as KJac. He's a 5 year vet. I understand he came in in the middle of the season, if his mistakes were of the, "he was expecting Safety help there" I can understAnd. But they weren't.

I'll give him credit, he's got better ball skills.

But if it were me, it would be open competition.

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 09:26 PM
I'm still excited about Joseph on the Texans

http://i.imgur.com/W2Y2O.gif

Rey
07-28-2011, 09:28 PM
I would agree in a normal off-season but to move a player in the NFL to a brand position with only 4 weeks to learn is...................OK is something that the Texans are know for.

Glover was on the radio the other day and he flat out said that the coaches have locked him in at safety.

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 09:28 PM
With Dunta Robinson being the best example of a cornerback for so long, I can understand why we have a hard time distinguishing good Corner-play from bad.

But Allen was just as inconsistent as KJac. He's a 5 year vet. I understand he came in in the middle of the season, if his mistakes were of the, "he was expecting Safety help there" I can understAnd. But they weren't.

I'll give him credit, he's got better ball skills.

But if it were me, it would be open competition.

it should be open competition. I never claimed he was beaten because of no safety hely, that was 76 talking about K. Jac. Only play i remember Allen really getting beat is against the ravens for a TD.

TexansSeminole
07-28-2011, 09:29 PM
Possibly, but his confidence is shaken. He needs to be put in a situation where he will do well and get that swagger back. Nickel is the best place for him to do just that. Then when he is ready he slides into the #2 CB spot and Quinn slides into Nickel. Next year Harrison slides into Nickel full time.

I'll definitely agree with that. He needs to make some plays to regain confidence. But at corner, it takes 1 quarter to get your swagger back. He just needs some direction.

Look, K Jax was in his first year in the NFL and received zero valuable coaching or direction. He was put in a terrrrrible position. Give him a chance to learn the position with GOOD coaching.

Allen was coached by Nick Saban, a defensive genius, and failed in two positions.

TEXANRED
07-28-2011, 09:29 PM
With Dunta Robinson being the best example of a cornerback for so long, I can understand why we have a hard time distinguishing good Corner-play from bad.



We haven't had one single corner on this team who could hold a candle to Chris Dishman.

***Edit*** Glenn. Sorry.

ThaJokaa
07-28-2011, 09:29 PM
Any one think we can sign Manning and Cromartie both?

badboy
07-28-2011, 09:30 PM
Possibly, but his confidence is shaken. He needs to be put in a situation where he will do well and get that swagger back. Nickel is the best place for him to do just that. Then when he is ready he slides into the #2 CB spot and Quinn slides into Nickel. Next year Harrison slides into Nickel full time.Just curious what do you based this on? Kubiak has said that he was happy that KJ did not appear to be shakened after the season. I mean he should be shell shiocked but I've seen nothing to support that.

EllisUnit
07-28-2011, 09:31 PM
I'll definitely agree with that. He needs to make some plays to regain confidence. But at corner, it takes 1 quarter to get your swagger back. He just needs some direction.

Look, K Jax was in his first year in the NFL and received zero valuable coaching or direction. He was put in a terrrrrible position. Give him a chance to learn the position with GOOD coaching.

Allen was coached by Nick Saban, a defensive genius, and failed in two positions.

We dont know what the coaches did our did not teach our defensive players. Switching between 2 different positions cant be easy, let him remain CB. And i gurantee he can be a good CB.

you'll See

TEXANRED
07-28-2011, 09:31 PM
Any one think we can sign Manning and Cromartie both?

I hope both.

DBCooper
07-28-2011, 09:31 PM
We haven't had one single corner on this team who could hold a candle to Chris Dishman.



LOL

I thought Aaron Glenn was a helluva player!

skenney_11
07-28-2011, 09:31 PM
[QUOTE=ThaJokaa;1736021]Any one think we can sign Manning and Cromartie both?[

If we cut Okoye, DA, Slaton, and Barber.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 09:33 PM
So, if he is better as a backup FS, who do you see playing opposite JJ, Jackson?

I really like Quin at Safety. I really like Joseph as a veteran cover corner. Starting a second round pick like Harris in that defense wouldn't be unheard of. Starting a first round pick like Jackson wouldn't be unheard of.

Letting them battle for the spot with Allen makes the most since, other than signing Carr, Clements, or Grimes.

welsh texan
07-28-2011, 09:33 PM
Let's not all fall in love with Jason Allen after a portion of a season. A certain Mr Bennet Mr Demps and Mr Pollard come to mind...

Well said that man. Pretty sure Eugene Wilson did a similar trick as well.

steelbtexan
07-28-2011, 09:34 PM
Joseph and Jason Allen the starters. Brandon Harris, Kareem Jackson and Roc Carmichael backing up or in nickel...Glover Quin and Danieal Manning the safeties...I can definitely handle this!! :thisbig:

If Manning is signed the Texans will have added what the backend of the defense what has been lacking sense the Texans inception.

SPEED

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 09:36 PM
Possibly, but his confidence is shaken. He needs to be put in a situation where he will do well and get that swagger back. Nickel is the best place for him to do just that. Then when he is ready he slides into the #2 CB spot and Quinn slides into Nickel. Next year Harrison slides into Nickel full time.

Confidence shaken?

He was stronger at the end of the year than early, jusT like you would expect from a rookie

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2011, 09:39 PM
My ideal situation was to get Joseph and Manning.

I'm so excited about this. I just...


:bender::bravo:

badboy
07-28-2011, 09:39 PM
I really like Quin at Safety. I really like Joseph as a veteran cover corner. Starting a second round pick like Harris in that defense wouldn't be unheard of. Starting a first round pick like Jackson wouldn't be unheard of.

Letting them battle for the spot with Allen makes the most since, other than signing Carr, Clements, or Grimes.there you go.

TexansSeminole
07-28-2011, 09:40 PM
Confidence shaken?

He was stronger at the end of the year than early, jusT like you would expect from a rookie

Meh, but still he did not have a good season and he's had awhile to think about that.

I agree with doppel, I just think it wont take long for him to start building confidence.

JamesBill
07-28-2011, 09:40 PM
So the plan was to let DRob go, tank a season, get better draft picks, better DC, and a top tier free agent?

Well Played.

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2011, 09:41 PM
So the plan was to let DRob go, tank a season, get better draft picks, better DC, and a top tier free agent?

Well Played.

It's all about the long game.

welsh texan
07-28-2011, 09:45 PM
Meh, but still he did not have a good season and he's had awhile to think about that.

I agree with doppel, I just think it wont take long for him to start building confidence.

If it was down to confidence alone then this would make a lot of sense.

Unfortunately it may take longer for our new coaches to beat some NFL caliber coaching into the lad before he's able to get on the field and not mess it all up. JMO

DocBar
07-28-2011, 09:46 PM
So the plan was to let DRob go, tank a season, get better draft picks, better DC, and a top tier free agent?

Well Played.Sounds like a plan to me. LOL
Too bad we couldn't get Cowher for a HC and Parcells for a GM in the process.

Errant Hothy
07-28-2011, 09:52 PM
I think it should be noted that Joseph does not fit the squeaky gleam image of past signings.

Texanmike02
07-28-2011, 09:56 PM
I think it should be noted that Joseph does not fit the squeaky gleam image of past signings.

Dude he's a Bengal. 1 felony is a requirement.

Mike

TheRealJoker
07-28-2011, 09:56 PM
Joseph is a solid starter entering his prime. While he is not the Andre Johnson of DBs, he does give us hope to make another splash.

Next order of business should be paying the best FB in the NFL. Then looking for a starting safety.

Errant Hothy
07-28-2011, 09:57 PM
Dude he's a Bengal. 1 felony is a requirement.

Mike

He was a Bengal. Now he's a Texan with a felony.

Allstar
07-28-2011, 09:59 PM
I think it should be noted that Joseph does not fit the squeaky gleam image of past signings.

What was the trouble?

DocBar
07-28-2011, 09:59 PM
LOL

I thought Aaron Glenn was a helluva player!He was.

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2011, 10:02 PM
What was the trouble?

Possession of Marijuana.

brakos82
07-28-2011, 10:02 PM
Possession of Marijuana.

Isn't that like an $18 fine these days? :kitten:

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 10:03 PM
What was the trouble?

arrested for possession of weed in 2007.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 10:03 PM
Possession of Marijuana.

Personal use or intent to distribute

aussie_texan
07-28-2011, 10:04 PM
Next order of business should be paying the best FB in the NFL. Then looking for a starting safety.

I'm thinking go out and get a quality safety THEN sign vonta

DocBar
07-28-2011, 10:04 PM
He was a Bengal. Now he's a Texan with a felony.You have to have an absolute buttload of weed to get anywhere near a felony. It might be an NFL felony with Komandant Goodell in charge, though.

Doppelganger
07-28-2011, 10:06 PM
Personal use or intent to distribute

Personal use. Just a bag on him...not Nate Newton size bag, normal size.

DocBar
07-28-2011, 10:07 PM
Personal use. Just a bag on him...not Nate Newton size bag, normal size.That would get you a ticket. Of course, you'd lose the weed like da man used to take my beer and make me pour it out when I was kid. Damn that pissed me off.

Errant Hothy
07-28-2011, 10:07 PM
You have to have an absolute buttload of weed to get anywhere near a felony. It might be an NFL felony with Komandant Goodell in charge, though.

Just going with the quoted post to make a point.

DocBar
07-28-2011, 10:08 PM
Just going with the quoted post to make a point.Sorry...these threads are moving too fast to keep up with. LOL

b0ng
07-28-2011, 10:09 PM
What was the trouble?

Funky Skunky smelly green shit

brakos82
07-28-2011, 10:11 PM
Funky Skunky smelly green shit

NY Jets locker room?

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 10:13 PM
Personal use. Just a bag on him...not Nate Newton size bag, normal size.

That's just a misdemeanor. Probably wasn't really his either.

He passes.

Big Lou
07-28-2011, 10:49 PM
So the plan was to let DRob go, tank a season, get better draft picks, better DC, and a top tier free agent?

Well Played.



Like duh, its called strategery......

I called every last detail of this when Dunta was leaving in a Dunta thread, feel free to look it up.

:spin: