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gafftop
07-28-2011, 05:08 PM
Sorry but I have ZERO confidence in our braintrust during this crucial period. Hasn't a Houston Pro Sports team been used as BAIT before. Didn't they learn from this. Give a deadline and then proceed with your other choices before they are all gone. Don't play the FOOL. Then when you don't get Aso you start throwing money around trying to do something and make stupid deals if there is any time left to do anything. It just seems that Aso may wait until deadline and then make deal with the Jets then the Texans are holding the bag. Hell if I was Rex I would tell Aso to wait until the last minute just to screw the Texans. Again just my opinion.

Ckw
07-28-2011, 05:10 PM
Sorry but I have ZERO confidence in our braintrust during this crucial period. Hasn't a Houston Pro Sports team been used as BAIT before. Didn't they learn from this. Give a deadline and then proceed with your other choices before they are all gone. Don't play the FOOL. Then when you don't get Aso you start throwing money around trying to do something and make stupid deals if there is any time left to do anything. It just seems that Aso may wait until deadline and then make deala deal with the Jets then the Texans are holding the bag. Hell if I was Rex I would tell Aso to wait until the last minute just to screw the Texans. Again just my opinion.

I have some of the same fears. I really believe though we are in a good position because of Cromartie. I think he really would like to come here and his decision basically hinges upon whether or not the Jets sign Aso. If they sign Aso, then I see us bringing in Cromartie. If we sign Aso, I see the Jets resigning Cromartie.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 05:14 PM
I agree. They should tell Aso they are willing to offer Joseph the same deal. Then Aso has to decide if he wants to gamble with the Jets, or take the money he knows Joseph will take.

If the Jets aren't offering him $12m+. How's he going to feel if he isn't the highest paid CB when it's over & done.

I'd be fine with the texans paying Joseph $12+ million

DexmanC
07-28-2011, 05:16 PM
Sorry but I have ZERO confidence in our braintrust during this crucial period. Hasn't a Houston Pro Sports team been used as BAIT before. Didn't they learn from this. Give a deadline and then proceed with your other choices before they are all gone. Don't play the FOOL. Then when you don't get Aso you start throwing money around trying to do something and make stupid deals if there is any time left to do anything. It just seems that Aso may wait until deadline and then make deala deal with the Jets then the Texans are holding the bag. Hell if I was Rex I would tell Aso to wait until the last minute just to screw the Texans. Again just my opinion.

I have to agree with ya here.

The Bad News Bears return to Houston in 2012.

The Houston Cubbies.

You know how we love our losers. They gotta match the Lastros'
strategy.

fiasco west
07-28-2011, 05:17 PM
So you are saying we shouldn't try and just give up?

Joseph and Cro I feel aren't signing. They see the money the Texans are throwing around for DBs and if Aso passes on Houston i'm sure these guys would love to deal with them. Especially Cromartie since he's confirmed he's going to follow the money anyways.

Wolf6151
07-28-2011, 05:20 PM
At least Cromartie is honest about going to the highest bidder. It really seems that Aso is playing games with multiple teams. I agree give Aso a deadline and make the offer to Joseph at the same time. Quit playing his game.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 05:22 PM
So you are saying we shouldn't try and just give up?

Joseph and Cro I feel aren't signing. They see the money the Texans are throwing around for DBs and if Aso passes on Houston i'm sure these guys would love to deal with them. Especially Cromartie since he's confirmed he's going to follow the money anyways.

I think we've done enough trying. The money is out there, he's waiting for the Jets to pony up. If they don't he's going to sign with them for less money.

I'm thinking he believes he is going to set the market.

We need to let him know, we are going to set the market. We'll offer Joseph 12-14 million, making him the highest paid corner in the league.

Then we'll know if it's about the money, or if he has no interest in playing for the Texans at all.

gafftop
07-28-2011, 05:25 PM
So you are saying we shouldn't try and just give up?

Joseph and Cro I feel aren't signing. They see the money the Texans are throwing around for DBs and if Aso passes on Houston i'm sure these guys would love to deal with them. Especially Cromartie since he's confirmed he's going to follow the money anyways.

Not give up but control the situation otherwise you risk getting NOTHING. What if the other CBs begin signing and we just continue to wait. Aso decides and everybody we wanted has already committed. C'mon what player used us was it in baseball?

Maddict5
07-28-2011, 05:26 PM
god it must suck to be that negative in one of the most exciting periods of the yr...

when we finally get to the playoffs, y'all will prob be grumping 'ah we're just gonna get embarassed, would be better off at home'

Ckw
07-28-2011, 05:27 PM
No WAY Joseph deserves to be the highest paid corner in the league. Due to his frequent injuries, he probably isn't even a top 10 corner.

Sure, make him an offer for $9-10M a year but $14M for a corner that is maybe top 15 is RIDICULOUS.

ThaShark316
07-28-2011, 05:28 PM
Ok...now I'm saying this ****...

**** this fan base. And if you agree with the OP...you suck, as well.

DocBar
07-28-2011, 05:28 PM
I think we've done enough trying. The money is out there, he's waiting for the Jets to pony up. If they don't he's going to sign with them for less money.

I'm thinking he believes he is going to set the market.

We need to let him know, we are going to set the market. We'll offer Joseph 12-14 million, making him the highest paid corner in the league.

Then we'll know if it's about the money, or if he has no interest in playing for the Texans at all.If the Texans do that, I'm going to fart in your general direction.
Why on earth would we cut off our nose to spite our face? We don't get the guy we wanted so we're going to pay an obviously inferior payer more money?
PLEASE tell me you forgot to use the :sarcasm: smilie.

fiasco west
07-28-2011, 05:30 PM
I think we've done enough trying. The money is out there, he's waiting for the Jets to pony up. If they don't he's going to sign with them for less money.

I'm thinking he believes he is going to set the market.

We need to let him know, we are going to set the market. We'll offer Joseph 12-14 million, making him the highest paid corner in the league.

Then we'll know if it's about the money, or if he has no interest in playing for the Texans at all.

I disagree. Plus that would be overpaying for Joseph, some people say that 14 mil is overpaying Nnamdi!

I think if he was so willing to take less money for the Jets then trying to bleed them dry of every penny is unlikely. Afterall he's already committed to taking less in this scenario, if the Jets can't go past their 12 mil then they simply cant and he'd agree to sign already. It's not like he has to actually sign anything, it'll just be an agreement. I think if that scenario is true then he'd agree already.

IMO the guy is just weighing his options and isn't quite sure. Maybe he's leaning to one team but he won't make a decision until he's 100% sure if he were smart...and he is.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 05:32 PM
god it must suck to be that negative in one of the most exciting periods of the yr...

when we finally get to the playoffs, y'all will prob be grumping 'ah we're just gonna get embarassed, would be better off at home'

It's not being negative, it's being real. The same ol song & dance. Are they trying not to piss Nnamdi off or something, playing good guys.

Screw that. We need to stop being soft.

"Nnamdi, we are prepared to make you the highest paid corner in the league. But we aren't prepared to play your *****. We will make someone the highest paid CB. You've got an hour to help us decide who it will be."

fiasco west
07-28-2011, 05:34 PM
Not give up but control the situation otherwise you risk getting NOTHING. What if the other CBs begin signing and we just continue to wait. Aso decides and everybody we wanted has already committed. C'mon what player used us was it in baseball?

I don't think there is a risk and if there is? Ah well, these are the risk you take when going after a great player. I'd rather the team take the risk and follow it through.

dinkatoid
07-28-2011, 05:35 PM
I actually do not mind the waiting. I have a feeling that the majority of the big-ish name corners will not sign until Aso does. He will set the market, and then everyone else will follow. If we miss out on him, I think we will still get a chance to talk to others.

I know we are allowed to sign starting tomorrow, but these guys can not even join us for a week, so there really is no rush to get this signing done today.

I also feel that no team is dumb enough to just talk to 1 guy. I am sure we have been on the phone with the agents for at least Joseph and probably others, saying things like don't sign anything till you talk to us, we may be able to beat your best offer.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 05:36 PM
No WAY Joseph deserves to be the highest paid corner in the league. Due to his frequent injuries, he probably isn't even a top 10 corner.

Sure, make him an offer for $9-10M a year but $14M for a corner that is maybe top 15 is RIDICULOUS.

Ok, it's called negotiating. Just because you say you'll make Joseph the highest paid corner doesn't mean that you will.

Doesn't matter if anyone thinks Joseph is worthy.

All that matters is that Joseph is the #2 guy on the market & Aso & his agent thinks we are desperate enough to do it.

The only way he turns us down then, is if he thinks another team will offer him more money, which he shouldn't believe, or that Joseph won't come for the money, which is a a stupid bet to take.

Ckw
07-28-2011, 05:40 PM
Ok, it's called negotiating. Just because you say you'll make Joseph the highest paid corner doesn't mean that you will.

Doesn't matter if anyone thinks Joseph is worthy.

All that matters is that Joseph is the #2 guy on the market & Aso & his agent thinks we are desperate enough to do it.

The only way he turns us down then, is if he thinks another team will offer him more money, which he shouldn't believe, or that Joseph won't come for the money, which is a a stupid bet to take.

I see what you are saying now. So you are saying to make it sound like we are willing to offer Joseph that to put pressure on Nnamdi. Too many ways I think that could backfire though.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 05:40 PM
IMO the guy is just weighing his options and isn't quite sure. Maybe he's leaning to one team but he won't make a decision until he's 100% sure if he were smart...and he is.

If he's half as smart as you think he is, he would have been thinking about this since January, just like we have.

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 05:44 PM
I actually do not mind the waiting. I have a feeling that the majority of the big-ish name corners will not sign until Aso does. He will set the market, and then everyone else will follow. If we miss out on him, I think we will still get a chance to talk to others.

I know we are allowed to sign starting tomorrow, but these guys can not even join us for a week, so there really is no rush to get this signing done today.

.

& this is the difference between good GMs & Rick Smith. Some people make **** happen some people wait for ****.

Rey
07-28-2011, 06:01 PM
I think we've done enough trying. The money is out there, he's waiting for the Jets to pony up. If they don't he's going to sign with them for less money.

I'm thinking he believes he is going to set the market.

We need to let him know, we are going to set the market. We'll offer Joseph 12-14 million, making him the highest paid corner in the league.

Then we'll know if it's about the money, or if he has no interest in playing for the Texans at all.

I think paying that much for Joseph would suck worse than losing out on aso.

Rey
07-28-2011, 06:02 PM
& this is the difference between good GMs & Rick Smith. Some people make **** happen some people wait for ****.

Using that logic no matter who signs aso is a bad gm.

Cerberus
07-28-2011, 06:08 PM
I agree. They should tell Aso they are willing to offer Joseph the same deal. Then Aso has to decide if he wants to gamble with the Jets, or take the money he knows Joseph will take.

If the Jets aren't offering him $12m+. How's he going to feel if he isn't the highest paid CB when it's over & done.

I'd be fine with the texans paying Joseph $12+ million

I hope if my Raiders aren't going to be the ones with Nams, that Houston gets him. IF he comes to Houston, you guys will all be very impressed with what a class act Nams is, and then you'll realize it isn't just about being paid with him.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/04/29/10/Nnamdi-Asomugha-Honored-with-Byron-Whizz/landing.html?blockID=225689&feedID=5738

Carr Bombed
07-28-2011, 06:14 PM
If the Texans do that, I'm going to fart in your general direction.
Why on earth would we cut off our nose to spite our face? We don't get the guy we wanted so we're going to pay an obviously inferior payer more money?
PLEASE tell me you forgot to use the :sarcasm: smilie.

LOL I know, that line of thinking didn't make any sense whatsoever. :) If the Texans did something like that they would be a league wide laughing stock and it would be career suicide for Rick Smith.



And this thread is kind of ridiculous and over dramatic because the other corners are not going to sign a deal until Aso does, because he's going to set the market and regardless of how hard the Texans try to set the market...they won't, they can't, and it's out of their control. Aso is going to set the market because he's the best player (arguably) at his position and he's the best player in this FA period. Guess what that means... He's setting his own market by getting teams to bid for him. That's normal for a elite star FAs looking for a new home and that's what HAPPENS in FA.

It's also ridiculous to say the Texans are going to take a step back and LOSE GROUND, because they're pursuing Nnamdi Asomugha. Even if they don't get him, they've already WON and gained a step because of their pursuit of Asomugha. They won, because now every agent out there knows Houston is looking to spend BIG BUCKS and is serious about signing serious FAs. Guess what those agents are going to do. They're going to sit back and wait for the dust to settle between the Jets and Texans and then they're going to entertain whoever lost out on the Nnamdi sweepstakes. How anybody can think the Texans are "losing", because of their pursuit of Nnamdi is beyond me, because that's clearly not the case.

Maddict5
07-28-2011, 06:16 PM
It's not being negative, it's being real. The same ol song & dance. Are they trying not to piss Nnamdi off or something, playing good guys.

Screw that. We need to stop being soft.

"Nnamdi, we are prepared to make you the highest paid corner in the league. But we aren't prepared to play your *****. We will make someone the highest paid CB. You've got an hour to help us decide who it will be."

you need to stop acting like you know whats happening & whats going to happen. cant even remember where i read it at this stage but earlier in the day lombardi maybe? tweeted that the texans are meeting him or his agent (cant even remember) today. for all you & i know they're all around a table making nice after agreeing to a deal

Carr Bombed
07-28-2011, 06:31 PM
Nnamdi Asomugha and Antonio Cromatie have the same agent. Yep, so we're losing ground talking to that guy. :)

El Tejano
07-28-2011, 06:33 PM
I think we've done enough trying. The money is out there, he's waiting for the Jets to pony up. If they don't he's going to sign with them for less money.

I'm thinking he believes he is going to set the market.

We need to let him know, we are going to set the market. We'll offer Joseph 12-14 million, making him the highest paid corner in the league.

Then we'll know if it's about the money, or if he has no interest in playing for the Texans at all.

Or it could be an agent who knows he has the number 1 and 3 top rated CB FAs and if #1 sets the market real high, then #3 gets a very good contract also with whoever and the agents make bookoo cash!

El Tejano
07-28-2011, 06:38 PM
It's not being negative, it's being real. The same ol song & dance. Are they trying not to piss Nnamdi off or something, playing good guys.

Screw that. We need to stop being soft.

"Nnamdi, we are prepared to make you the highest paid corner in the league. But we aren't prepared to play your *****. We will make someone the highest paid CB. You've got an hour to help us decide who it will be."

And if you're Nnamdi you can turn around and say "and if you give me another ultimatem you will make my decision easier and then you will have to be prepared to take a chance on someone else who may upgrade the wack secondary you got now."

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 06:51 PM
you need to stop acting like you know whats happening & whats going to happen. cant even remember where i read it at this stage but earlier in the day lombardi maybe? tweeted that the texans are meeting him or his agent (cant even remember) today. for all you & i know they're all around a table making nice after agreeing to a deal

Well, I know they better not be meeting with Nnamdi today.

That's illegal.

Kimmy
07-28-2011, 06:52 PM
Well, I know they better not be meeting with Nnamdi today.

That's illegal.

Why?

HoustonFrog
07-28-2011, 07:02 PM
Uusually I'd agree with this thread completely. But the way it is setting up makes me think he is coming here. I honestly...at 30...would rather be a Jet and competing for a SB. But the Texans will have about 3 mil more to offer and can wait. The Jets already lost Brad Smith and can't sit forever. Plus look at how this is playing out. alot of big deals have been announced already. the Jets would be all over the news with the deal. This looks like a "by the book" Texans move where it is announced on the proper day Friday. I never though they would get him but I'm leaning that it will happen. If I were the Jets I'd be selling his age, years to win it and what they have set up already.

DocBar
07-28-2011, 07:05 PM
THIS (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/28/jets-want-an-answer-from-nnamdi/) just in from PFT

Norg
07-28-2011, 07:07 PM
The texans have already made there gameplan on free agents weeks ago chill out

gafftop
07-28-2011, 07:16 PM
If we really got Joseph my opinion of our braintrust just went up depending on what we paid. Now let's keep signing.

HoustonFrog
07-28-2011, 07:18 PM
If we really got Joseph my opinion of our braintrust just went up depending on what we paid. Now let's keep signing.

I think they had to beat 49ers to it...his injury history is scary though

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 07:21 PM
Maybe Rick Smith was laying down the law this whole time.

gafftop
07-28-2011, 07:54 PM
Maybe Rick Smith was laying down the law this whole time.

I think that is the case. Maybe not all is lost. I know I am feeling more optimistic now. C'mon SHOW ME THE PLAYERS RICK

cland
07-28-2011, 08:08 PM
Sorry but I have ZERO confidence in our braintrust during this crucial period. Hasn't a Houston Pro Sports team been used as BAIT before. Didn't they learn from this. Give a deadline and then proceed with your other choices before they are all gone. Don't play the FOOL. Then when you don't get Aso you start throwing money around trying to do something and make stupid deals if there is any time left to do anything. It just seems that Aso may wait until deadline and then make deal with the Jets then the Texans are holding the bag. Hell if I was Rex I would tell Aso to wait until the last minute just to screw the Texans. Again just my opinion.

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Carr Bombed
07-28-2011, 08:19 PM
I guess everybody can step away from the ledge now huh? I can't believe I'm about to say this, but so far Houston's FO has done EVERYTHING right this offseason. From the draft on down. We are already one of the biggest winners this offseason and it isn't over with yet.

GlassHalfFull
07-28-2011, 08:21 PM
I think that is the case. Maybe not all is lost. I know I am feeling more optimistic now. C'mon SHOW ME THE PLAYERS RICK

I was hoping this was one of those reverse psychology threads. It appears to have worked, whether that was the original intent or not.

El Tejano
07-28-2011, 08:41 PM
I guess everybody can step away from the ledge now huh? I can't believe I'm about to say this, but so far Houston's FO has done EVERYTHING right this offseason. From the draft on down. We are already one of the biggest winners this offseason and it isn't over with yet.

Mentioned earlier that today shows us why they drafted the way they did. So they could get one of the top FA CBs. Good job. And when you hear that they just got outbidded by Weddle's current team, you know they did what we all wanted. Let's see what we can do for the 2nd best Safety.

Corrosion
07-28-2011, 08:48 PM
So much for this thread .... crash and burn.

VTexan
07-28-2011, 10:40 PM
Sorry but I have ZERO confidence in our braintrust during this crucial period. Hasn't a Houston Pro Sports team been used as BAIT before. Didn't they learn from this. Give a deadline and then proceed with your other choices before they are all gone. Don't play the FOOL. Then when you don't get Aso you start throwing money around trying to do something and make stupid deals if there is any time left to do anything. It just seems that Aso may wait until deadline and then make deal with the Jets then the Texans are holding the bag. Hell if I was Rex I would tell Aso to wait until the last minute just to screw the Texans. Again just my opinion.




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Ole Miss Texan
07-29-2011, 12:36 PM
god it must suck to be that negative in one of the most exciting periods of the yr...

when we finally get to the playoffs, y'all will prob be grumping 'ah we're just gonna get embarassed, would be better off at home'

Ok...now I'm saying this ****...

**** this fan base. And if you agree with the OP...you suck, as well.

I guess everybody can step away from the ledge now huh? I can't believe I'm about to say this, but so far Houston's FO has done EVERYTHING right this offseason. From the draft on down. We are already one of the biggest winners this offseason and it isn't over with yet.

Mentioned earlier that today shows us why they drafted the way they did. So they could get one of the top FA CBs. Good job. And when you hear that they just got outbidded by Weddle's current team, you know they did what we all wanted. Let's see what we can do for the 2nd best Safety.

So much for this thread .... crash and burn.
Don't you love "the sky is falling mentality" around here?

Texans are huge winners this offseason. Picked up Wade Phillips whose a highly respected Defensive mind, I LOVE the guys we drafted, I like the undrafted guys we're picking up, I like we re-signed Jacoby and Butler, hoping Vonta is next, and I LOOVVVEEE the additions of Joseph and Manning to our secondary.

Now let's just go and make all this a success on the field!!

Section516
07-29-2011, 12:39 PM
Don't you love "the sky is falling mentality" around here?

Texans are huge winners this offseason. Picked up Wade Phillips whose a highly respected Defensive mind, I LOVE the guys we drafted, I like the undrafted guys we're picking up, I like we re-signed Jacoby and Butler, hoping Vonta is next, and I LOOVVVEEE the additions of Joseph and Manning to our secondary.

Now let's just go and make all this a success on the field!!

You changed your avatar, you ready for the old-woman assumptions?

HoustonFrog
07-29-2011, 12:48 PM
Don't you love "the sky is falling mentality" around here?

Texans are huge winners this offseason. Picked up Wade Phillips whose a highly respected Defensive mind, I LOVE the guys we drafted, I like the undrafted guys we're picking up, I like we re-signed Jacoby and Butler, hoping Vonta is next, and I LOOVVVEEE the additions of Joseph and Manning to our secondary.

Now let's just go and make all this a success on the field!!

I love the yearly process of blue skys because of picking up "said people". I'm all about seeing results before praise. The people who complain do so because of 9 years of direct evidence. How is that hard to see? Sometimes even All-Star teams don't do well when not put in the right place to succeed. Every year is a wait and see.

DocBar
07-29-2011, 12:51 PM
I can't get over how relaxed and good I feel now that I'm not zipping through every NFL site on the internet hoping to see anything related to Aso.
Gafftop, I hope you're feeling better now also.

Ole Miss Texan
07-29-2011, 12:58 PM
I love the yearly process of blue skys because of picking up "said people". I'm all about seeing results before praise. The people who complain do so because of 9 years of direct evidence. How is that hard to see? Sometimes even All-Star teams don't do well when not put in the right place to succeed. Every year is a wait and see.

:uchicken:You should try and be excited sometime, it's really fun. Don't be chichen! :ahhaha:

The Pencil Neck
07-29-2011, 01:04 PM
I love the yearly process of blue skys because of picking up "said people". I'm all about seeing results before praise. The people who complain do so because of 9 years of direct evidence. How is that hard to see? Sometimes even All-Star teams don't do well when not put in the right place to succeed. Every year is a wait and see.

It's all well and good to be wait and see and it's all well and good that we've had some bad years here (although I disagree that we've had 9 years of bad football.)

But I can't see anything wrong with being excited by your team's offseason moves because you think they've made the right decisions. I can't see anything wrong with being optimistic about your team's chances.

Can this all go wrong? Sure. This team could go 0-16 next year. With a few injuries that can be said about any team. There's no team out there that's assured of making the playoffs.

Personally, I watch football to be entertained. I watch football to be happy. If I were to take a mind-set of not being happy until my team wins a Super Bowl (or is a perennial play-off team), then I'd stop watching football because I'd only be happy for a few minutes before I was worried and pissed off about the next year. And there's no fun in that.

So if my team makes moves that I think are good and picks up players and coaches I think improve the team, why shouldn't I be happy about it?

Speedy
07-29-2011, 01:45 PM
I love the yearly process of blue skys because of picking up "said people". I'm all about seeing results before praise. The people who complain do so because of 9 years of direct evidence. How is that hard to see? Sometimes even All-Star teams don't do well when not put in the right place to succeed. Every year is a wait and see.

BS! The people who complain do so because that's what they do. That said the Super Bowl isn't won on paper and in July.

I'm excited that they are finally playing this part of the game like a real football team for a change. Doesn't mean they've won anything but at least there's some excitement around here again.

Rey
07-29-2011, 01:59 PM
I love the yearly process of blue skys because of picking up "said people". I'm all about seeing results before praise. The people who complain do so because of 9 years of direct evidence. How is that hard to see? Sometimes even All-Star teams don't do well when not put in the right place to succeed. Every year is a wait and see.

That's fine if you choose to have that approach.

But this off-season, from the wade hiring to the manning signing, has been different.

I challenge anyone to say otherwise.

I think that people who are excited are excited mores about what we can do and not what we will do.

Nothing wrong with being excited about the team you root for.

gafftop
07-29-2011, 02:39 PM
I can't get over how relaxed and good I feel now that I'm not zipping through every NFL site on the internet hoping to see anything related to Aso.
Gafftop, I hope you're feeling better now also.

LOL Thanks Doc,

As someones said this is the best time of the Kubiak/Smith era. I do see a light and this time it isn't a train. You have no idea how much I hope the Texans have a great season. If they can just make the playoffs then anything can happen. I still have reservations but yes I do feel better.

thunderkyss
07-29-2011, 02:39 PM
Don't you love "the sky is falling mentality" around here?

Texans are huge winners this offseason. Picked up Wade Phillips whose a highly respected Defensive mind, I LOVE the guys we drafted, I like the undrafted guys we're picking up, I like we re-signed Jacoby and Butler, hoping Vonta is next, and I LOOVVVEEE the additions of Joseph and Manning to our secondary.

Now let's just go and make all this a success on the field!!

I think this conversation got flipped. This is the original post:
Sorry but I have ZERO confidence in our braintrust during this crucial period. Hasn't a Houston Pro Sports team been used as BAIT before. Didn't they learn from this. Give a deadline and then proceed with your other choices before they are all gone. Don't play the FOOL. Then when you don't get Aso you start throwing money around trying to do something and make stupid deals if there is any time left to do anything. It just seems that Aso may wait until deadline and then make deal with the Jets then the Texans are holding the bag. Hell if I was Rex I would tell Aso to wait until the last minute just to screw the Texans. Again just my opinion.

All the guys you quoted were jumping on gafftop for saying this. He was right. I think. It appeared we were headed down the same ol Texans' Free Agency period...... getting punk'd by someone with no intention of ever coming to Houston.

We were both wrong about how it was going down. Rick Smith had several irons in the fire....... but none of the guys jumping on gafftop knew that anymore than gafftop did.

scourge
07-29-2011, 02:44 PM
Don't you love "the sky is falling mentality" around here?

Texans are huge winners this offseason. Picked up Wade Phillips whose a highly respected Defensive mind, I LOVE the guys we drafted, I like the undrafted guys we're picking up, I like we re-signed Jacoby and Butler, hoping Vonta is next, and I LOOVVVEEE the additions of Joseph and Manning to our secondary.

Now let's just go and make all this a success on the field!!

Have they shown the new CBA yet? I firmly believe that the only reason we re-signed Jacoby is because the new agreement allows the use of Stickum again.

gafftop
07-29-2011, 02:47 PM
I think this conversation got flipped. This is the original post:


All the guys you quoted were jumping on gafftop for saying this. He was right. I think. It appeared we were headed down the same ol Texans' Free Agency period...... getting punk'd by someone with no intention of ever coming to Houston.

We were both wrong about how it was going down. Rick Smith had several irons in the fire....... but none of the guys jumping on gafftop knew that anymore than gafftop did.

Thanks Thunder,

I think my title is what drew the most response. They might not have read the original post. Smith did exactly what he needed to do.

Ole Miss Texan
07-29-2011, 03:10 PM
I think this conversation got flipped. This is the original post:


All the guys you quoted were jumping on gafftop for saying this. He was right. I think. It appeared we were headed down the same ol Texans' Free Agency period...... getting punk'd by someone with no intention of ever coming to Houston.

We were both wrong about how it was going down. Rick Smith had several irons in the fire....... but none of the guys jumping on gafftop knew that anymore than gafftop did.

Thanks Thunder,

I think my title is what drew the most response. They might not have read the original post. Smith did exactly what he needed to do.
Yea, my intention was not to jump on anyone specifically... this was just the perfect thread to address how different (read exciting/successful) this offseason has been.

The biggest thing for me is the title of the thread, and thunder just addressed it too. See the bolded. Everyone is so quick to blame McNair or Smith for things when really we have no idea what's going on. We just get pissed because it's not reported in the news and the FO isn't leaking our moves. I think people are so quick to criticize when we're not even informed about what's up. And then after we find it it's like "oh uhm well whatever, they SHOULD be doing that." I totally understand we havn't gotten premier FAs in the past and that people are so down on the FO in this regard. But when we're ONE hour or ONE day into "free agency" and we landed the big time players people were freaking out and saying how much we suck. We gotta let this stuff play out guys!

ObsiWan
07-29-2011, 03:25 PM
I haven't been this excited about an upcoming season since we let HWWNBN hit the road.
:specnatz::hurrah::specnatz::hurrah::specnatz::hur rah::specnatz:

HoustonFrog
07-29-2011, 03:43 PM
That's fine if you choose to have that approach.

But this off-season, from the wade hiring to the manning signing, has been different.

I challenge anyone to say otherwise.

I think that people who are excited are excited mores about what we can do and not what we will do.

Nothing wrong with being excited about the team you root for.

Never said there was. I like all the signings. What bugs me is that Ole Miss and some others will continuously throw out the "sky is falling mentality" or call people haters just being they are realistic. Fact..the Texans haven't been successful. Fact..the owner and GM and coaches haven't done a great job signing the right people and coaching them up. Fact..they haven't been winners. Fact..Carr sucked. That isn't sky is falling. That is fandom being realistic and waiting for good things. It isn't neghative to point out the obvious. So while this off season is looking great on paper I'm not going to sit here and act like there isn't more to it....like Kubiak actually coaching these people. Just like as a Cowboy fan I think their offseason, besides bringing Garrett on, has sucked. Just simple with me.

Rey
07-29-2011, 03:49 PM
Never said there was. I like all the signings. What bugs me is that Ole Miss and some others will continuously throw out the "sky is falling mentality" or call people haters just being they are realistic. Fact..the Texans haven't been successful. Fact..the owner and GM and coaches haven't done a great job signing the right people and coaching them up. Fact..they haven't been winners. Fact..Carr sucked. That isn't sky is falling. That is fandom being realistic and waiting for good things. It isn't neghative to point out the obvious. So while this off season is looking great on paper I'm not going to sit here and act like there isn't more to it....like Kubiak actually coaching these people. Just like as a Cowboy fan I think their offseason, besides bringing Garrett on, has sucked. Just simple with me.

Understood.

Definitely agree that they still need to prove it.

Ole Miss Texan
07-29-2011, 04:05 PM
Never said there was. I like all the signings. What bugs me is that Ole Miss and some others will continuously throw out the "sky is falling mentality" or call people haters just being they are realistic. Fact..the Texans haven't been successful. Fact..the owner and GM and coaches haven't done a great job signing the right people and coaching them up. Fact..they haven't been winners. Fact..Carr sucked. That isn't sky is falling. That is fandom being realistic and waiting for good things. It isn't neghative to point out the obvious. So while this off season is looking great on paper I'm not going to sit here and act like there isn't more to it....like Kubiak actually coaching these people. Just like as a Cowboy fan I think their offseason, besides bringing Garrett on, has sucked. Just simple with me.
All very true statement Frog, no disagreement from me. Much like the draft every year - we can pick the winners and losers but ultimately they've got to actually play and produce!!

I only make fun and poke at the people that (1) continuously use the McNair is cheap excuse and (2) freak the eff out when an hour into free agency the Texans havn't come out and said they've signed every top FA. THAT's when I'll "continually" poking fun at people when they don't let the process unfold and think we're doomed. That's a "sky is falling" mentality: FACT. Just Fact as it is that our beloved Texans have not had the onfield success they need to have.

HoustonFrog
07-29-2011, 04:32 PM
All very true statement Frog, no disagreement from me. Much like the draft every year - we can pick the winners and losers but ultimately they've got to actually play and produce!!

I only make fun and poke at the people that (1) continuously use the McNair is cheap excuse and (2) freak the eff out when an hour into free agency the Texans havn't come out and said they've signed every top FA. THAT's when I'll "continually" poking fun at people when they don't let the process unfold and think we're doomed. That's a "sky is falling" mentality: FACT. Just Fact as it is that our beloved Texans have not had the onfield success they need to have.

Cool, I just didn't want to be lumped as negative or hating. This is definitely their most aggressive off-season and I thought they would get Aso. Better than what my Boys are doing...resigns and nothing else. I just want to see how these guys get coached up.

gafftop
07-29-2011, 06:08 PM
Don't you love "the sky is falling mentality" around here?

Texans are huge winners this offseason. Picked up Wade Phillips whose a highly respected Defensive mind, I LOVE the guys we drafted, I like the undrafted guys we're picking up, I like we re-signed Jacoby and Butler, hoping Vonta is next, and I LOOVVVEEE the additions of Joseph and Manning to our secondary.

Now let's just go and make all this a success on the field!!

Where have you been the last 5 years. Why the hell would I have any confidence is this group. 1st round draft choices Okoye, Brown, Cushing, Kareem. Free agent PU Ahman Green, RB Chris Brown, Reeves, Orlovsky .....
going all young last year in secondary,... Hiring of assistant coaches, Do I need to say more. As the story comes out Joseph is the one that said let's get it done, or the outcome might have been different. Credit to Smith in having an offer out and then pulling trigger. I think the Texans had great FA signings THIS year, but based on the history I do not think I was one bit out of line with my post. You talk about "sky is falling mentality" again where have you been. Depending on how you want to define it the sky has never been up but once if you consider an above .500 record good or never if your idea of the sky up is the playoffs. I am not ready to annoint Smith the GM of the year based on this performance. Sorry my memory is a little longer than that. I will not put up with your crap post about this being a "sky is falling" post. I said in above posts that my opinion went up. I just hope this is not
" Even a blind hog finds an acorn"
I agree now we need to see what Kubiak/Wade can do. Go Texans

Playoffs
07-29-2011, 06:26 PM
Thanks Thunder,

I think my title is what drew the most response. They might not have read the original post. Smith did exactly what he needed to do.
I "got" it, and had the same fear.

Glad Smith picked up on the fact that Namby wasn't gonna commit & moved forward. Could have been total loss.

drs23
07-29-2011, 07:45 PM
Where have you been the last 5 years. Why the hell would I have any confidence is this group. 1st round draft choices Okoye, Brown, Cushing, Kareem. Free agent PU Ahman Green, RB Chris Brown, Reeves, Orlovsky .....
going all young last year in secondary,... Hiring of assistant coaches, Do I need to say more. As the story comes out Joseph is the one that said let's get it done, or the outcome might have been different. Credit to Smith in having an offer out and then pulling trigger. I think the Texans had great FA signings THIS year, but based on the history I do not think I was one bit out of line with my post. You talk about "sky is falling mentality" again where have you been. Depending on how you want to define it the sky has never been up but once if you consider an above .500 record good or never if your idea of the sky up is the playoffs. I am not ready to annoint Smith the GM of the year based on this performance. Sorry my memory is a little longer than that. I will not put up with your crap post about this being a "sky is falling" post. I said in above posts that my opinion went up. I just hope this is not
" Even a blind hog finds an acorn"
I agree now we need to see what Kubiak/Wade can do. Go Texans

"As the story comes out..." Not doubting your statement but it's the first I've heard of it.

Source?

Just axin.

gafftop
07-29-2011, 08:40 PM
Heard it on 610 or 790 this afternoon. Texans had best offer out and Joseph told his agent to get it done. I guess the agent called the Texans and said Joseph was ready. Again to Smith's credit he did not say wait I need to see what Aso says, he pulled the trigger.

hradhak
07-29-2011, 08:55 PM
I think a lot of this was posturing. We were always going to get a safety and getting 2 players for the price of Namdi was worth that posturing. His price went up enough that the Eagles will overpay for him. I have to say that this was the best offseason we've had. We finally signed a big budget player that has a history of playing well.

Carr Bombed
07-29-2011, 09:36 PM
Heard it on 610 or 790 this afternoon. Texans had best offer out and Joseph told his agent to get it done. I guess the agent called the Texans and said Joseph was ready. Again to Smith's credit he did not say wait I need to see what Aso says, he pulled the trigger.

610 and 790 :strangle:

b0ng
07-29-2011, 09:52 PM
I think a lot of this was posturing. We were always going to get a safety and getting 2 players for the price of Namdi was worth that posturing. His price went up enough that the Eagles will overpay for him. I have to say that this was the best offseason we've had. We finally signed a big budget player that has a history of playing well.

They didn't overpay him he got 5yrs/$60m $25m garunteed.

fiasco west
07-29-2011, 10:21 PM
In the end this was a very good outcome for us.

I don't see Nnamdi picking us over Philly, and we would have lost on Joseph and would be bidding for Cromartie right now or Carr.

Philly must have always been where he really wanted to go. The whole mess of Nnamdi wanting to get more exposure in NYC and being a actor didn't seem to factor into his decision.

Neither the stuff about playing for a Ryan since he just passed on both.

Or playing in a state with no tax.

He must have really liked how the Philly team looked and I'm guessing it was his first option, what held it back was Philly dealing Kolb and getting their stuff together. While all the rest of the teams just set his price.

scourge
01-15-2012, 03:30 PM
Have they shown the new CBA yet? I firmly believe that the only reason we re-signed Jacoby is because the new agreement allows the use of Stickum again.



I was wrong, the FO was just stupid that day...