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JfromthaTray
04-21-2005, 03:38 PM
I think we need one of those hybrid ends/outside lb's. We need a pass rush and personally, I think the Babin pick last year was a mistake. We should have went with the best o lineman there.

TopTexanFan16
04-21-2005, 03:41 PM
what? babin is contributing and will only get better in future. he is a hrybrid DE/outside linebacker and u cant just sign some high stock rookie O-line and think all ur troubles r goin away.

jacquescas
04-21-2005, 03:47 PM
i agree, and Peek has no trouble getting to the quarterback, its his ability to play the pass, with another year under his belt i think he could contribute more.

i think we take one of the top 10 talents, if none fall to us we trade down to middle of the first round and get an extra 2nd round pick.

D-ReK
04-21-2005, 04:40 PM
I think we need one of those hybrid ends/outside lb's. We need a pass rush and personally, I think the Babin pick last year was a mistake. We should have went with the best o lineman there.

Yeah, we should've stayed put and took Jacob Rogers :crazy:...When Babin is putting up between 8 and 12 sacks every year and punishing RBs stupid enough to run to his side, are you still going to think it was a mistake?

Anyway, for this draft, we should just add the best athlete available...The draft is about acquiring talent, not completely filling your needs...If the BPA just happens to be at a need position, then so be it, but we're going to be taking the BPA at this year in every round IMO...

cadahnic
04-22-2005, 09:20 AM
J you from the Third. Man I gotta agree on the Yates thing all of my family has gone there and when you talk about Texas football they better be mentioned very high. Anyway I agreed with you about Babin last year and if you talked to Aaron Glenn after the pick he did not know who the guy was. I have changed my mind since I have seen him working out, the kid is dedicated to becoming a better player and he is like a sponge sucking up every bit of info any LB has to offer. I think he will be ok for the next couple of years, that does not mean I dont want DJ or Merrimen. I would love for our LB crew to be somethin like this. Babin, Wong, Greenwood, Merrimen. And we are training Peek to play ILB were he could shine as the BUC linebacker.

infantrycak
04-22-2005, 09:29 AM
And we are training Peek to play ILB were he could shine as the BUC linebacker.

Where have you heard anything about this occuring other than fan speculation?

JfromthaTray
04-22-2005, 09:31 AM
Yeah JY c/o 90, lived on Drew St. Not saying that Babin won,t get better, he just wasn't good last year. Pollack is not a bad pick either, but you can't go wrong with either of the two. Merrimen seems like a beast. In order for the lb's to shine like they can, we need better play from G funk and that d line

JfromthaTray
04-22-2005, 09:35 AM
I haven't heard it either, but I think Peek needs to stay outside with that speed.

JfromthaTray
04-22-2005, 09:42 AM
So D rek, you are another Tat lover who knows very little about the game. Babin won't be around long enough to average 8 to 12 sacks per yr. He is a guy form a small school who was just better than his competition. Thats why he jumped out at you on film. Had he to Michigan, Miami, USC, etc..., he probably wouldn't have started. BTW, why didn't he go to a big time school. I have my opinions. O VER RA TED.. ...

Vinny
04-22-2005, 09:47 AM
Babin is the only tweener ever to start for Capers. Its taken Peek 3 years to get there. Here are the 2004 stats for Babin vs the other players in the NFL who play his position...

Steelers Clark Haggans had 37 tackles and 6 sacks
Patriots Mike Vrabel 71 tackles and 5.5 sacks
Chargers Ben Leber 60 total tackles and 2 sacks
Texans Jason Babin 63 total tackles and 4 sacks

texasguy346
04-22-2005, 09:49 AM
So D rek, you are another Tat lover who knows very little about the game. Babin won't be around long enough to average 8 to 12 sacks per yr. He is a guy form a small school who was just better than his competition. Thats why he jumped out at you on film. Had he to Michigan, Miami, USC, etc..., he probably wouldn't have started. BTW, why didn't he go to a big time school. I have my opinions. O VER RA TED.. ...

Oh the infamous Big School argument. Guess you don't think much of Jerry Rice, Steve McNair, Andre Reed, Terrell Owens, Marshall Faulk, Ben Rothelisberger, Daunte Culpepper, and the list goes on and on. These guys all came from "small" schools, and have been great in the NFL. For you to question another poster's knowledge of the game is humorous.

JfromthaTray
04-22-2005, 02:07 PM
Put Babin in the same category as those guys when he puts up the hall of fame numbers that they have put up. BTW, you forgot about Walter Payton. My point is that he wasn't worth that high of a pick, he would have still been there in later rounds.

texasguy346
04-22-2005, 02:18 PM
As I said the list goes on and on which means that there are numerous other players than the ones I mentioned. Might I ask how you KNOW that Babin would have been there in later rounds? Did you happen to have insider knowledge of all 31 other NFL teams and where they had him rated on their draft board? Are you a league wide scout? We've been over the Babin pick countless times, and there were several teams interested in him. The Texans knew the guy they wanted and they went after him. As Vinny pointed out he faired pretty well as a rookie. I'm guessing you're using the same crystal ball you used to predict that Babin won't be around long enough to get 8 to 12 sacks a year to predict that no other team would have drafted him until a later round.
Babin won't be around long enough to average 8 to 12 sacks per yr.
It is silly to think that you can project a player's career when you've only seen him play one NFL season. It's even funnier when someone feels they know where a player should go moreso than an NFL GM who's got an entire scouting department at his disposal. Not to mention the game film he's watched, the ability to interview the prospect, etc. Yet since he's from a school you've never heard of or he's a name you don't recognize you feel you have a better grasp of his value as a NFL prospect. :rolleyes:

D-ReK
04-22-2005, 02:19 PM
Put Babin in the same category as those guys when he puts up the hall of fame numbers that they have put up. BTW, you forgot about Walter Payton. My point is that he wasn't worth that high of a pick, he would have still been there in later rounds.

Babin was a sure fire 5th round pick, nothing better...WTF were we thinking?

Seriously though, if you even briefly followed the draft last year, you would know that most people had Babin pegged as a late 1st rounder...If we didn't take him at 27, he would've been gone by 28...

michaelm
04-22-2005, 02:32 PM
As I said the list goes on and on which means that there are numerous other players than the ones I mentioned. Might I ask how you KNOW that Babin would have been there in later rounds? Did you happen to have insider knowledge of all 31 other NFL teams and where they had him rated on their draft board? Are you a league wide scout? We've been over the Babin pick countless times, and there were several teams interested in him. The Texans knew the guy they wanted and they went after him. As Vinny pointed out he faired pretty well as a rookie. I'm guessing you're using the same crystal ball you used to predict that Babin won't be around long enough to get 8 to 12 sacks a year to predict that no other team would have drafted him until a later round.

It is silly to think that you can project a player's career when you've only seen him play one NFL season. It's even funnier when someone feels they know where a player should go moreso than an NFL GM who's got an entire scouting department at his disposal. Not to mention the game film he's watched, the ability to interview the prospect, etc. Yet since he's from a school you've never heard of or he's a name you don't recognize you feel you have a better grasp of his value as a NFL prospect. :rolleyes:



Ding, Ding, Ding!!!! JfromthaTray, you got knocked tha f*** out!!! :woot

TheOgre
04-22-2005, 02:36 PM
San Diego State is considered a "small school"? I don't think so. (Faulk, Pitts, and Kyle Turley all went there)

Chad Pennington is another small school player that has done well.

texasguy346
04-22-2005, 04:23 PM
San Diego State is considered a "small school"? I don't think so. (Faulk, Pitts, and Kyle Turley all went there)

Chad Pennington is another small school player that has done well.

Compared to the Michigans, Miamis, and UTs of the world they are a small school. I don't consider the MAC schools small either, but again since they're in a relatively small conference compared to the Big 12, Big 10, and SEC etc. they get chalked up there with the small schools too.

JfromthaTray
04-25-2005, 05:17 PM
Standing 8 count baby, this one's going 15 rounds. These are the same GM's and experts who had Mike Mamula and Ryan Leaf pegged as 1st rounders. Babin is in the Texans version of the Killer B's. Boselli, Benny(Joppru) and Babin. And as for Stat Boy with the tackles and sacks, how many of those players were 1st rounders. Also, it might have been a good thing if we wouldn't have traded up to get him and he was gone by the time we were on the clock. Admit it folks, he didn't live up to the billing of being a 1st rounder. The experts say that it takes 3 years to grade a player, until then, I'll reserve any further comments but you know what I think of him.

BTW Mr. Moderator, I haven't masked any foul language in my posts but you sent me a private message, I hope you express the same concerns to the others as to how they address me.

Vinny
04-25-2005, 05:37 PM
BTW Mr. Moderator, I haven't masked any foul language in my posts but you sent me a private message, I hope you express the same concerns to the others as to how they address me.Worry about your own posts and you won't have to worry about anything else.

Vinny
04-25-2005, 05:39 PM
And as for Stat Boy with the tackles and sacks, how many of those players were 1st rounders.All you can do is compare him to other players at his position. My name isn't Stat-Boy either.

texasguy346
04-25-2005, 05:42 PM
Also, it might have been a good thing if we wouldn't have traded up to get him and he was gone by the time we were on the clock. Admit it folks, he didn't live up to the billing of being a 1st rounder. The experts say that it takes 3 years to grade a player, until then, I'll reserve any further comments but you know what I think of him.


To quote Vinny:

Texans Jason Babin 63 total tackles and 4 sacks

How is being 2nd on the team in sacks and being 5th on the team in tackles not living up to the billing? Were you expecting him to jump right in and lead the league in sacks? If so then your expectations were too high for his rookie season.

JfromthaTray
04-25-2005, 05:50 PM
Fine then, I'l take that as your OK for me to start masking a few F bombs myself. Thanks

JfromthaTray
04-25-2005, 05:51 PM
Dunta Robinson Rookie Great Season

infantrycak
04-25-2005, 05:52 PM
BTW Mr. Moderator, I haven't masked any foul language in my posts but you sent me a private message, I hope you express the same concerns to the others as to how they address me.

Oh my god, did the astericks hurt you? You got admonished for attacking other posters, not for vulgarity. Obey the terms of use or lose you posts.

Vinny
04-25-2005, 05:55 PM
Fine then, I'l take that as your OK for me to start masking a few F bombs myself. Thanks
I don't play games here. You get with the program or you will go away.

SESupergenius
04-25-2005, 06:28 PM
I don't think we need any more tweeners, we need to get youth at the ILB spot, we have yet to draft one. It takes time for LB's in the 3-4 to blossom and we are not bringing along one at the ILB spot. I was mystified as to why we didn't get one in the draft (Crowder, McCune) when we had the chance.

D-ReK
04-25-2005, 06:35 PM
I don't think we need any more tweeners, we need to get youth at the ILB spot, we have yet to draft one. It takes time for LB's in the 3-4 to blossom and we are not bringing along one at the ILB spot. I was mystified as to why we didn't get one in the draft (Crowder, McCune) when we had the chance.

We would've had to take Crowder in the first since he was taken 70th overall, but I agree with your point...I was hoping we could get McCune of Seward, but oh well...