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drs23
12-10-2011, 10:33 PM
Yeah, but he's not sticking his tongue out. :kitten:

See post #498 :D

drs23
12-10-2011, 10:34 PM
Hey now, he's just practicing by throwing the football with one hand and holding the hardware in the other. Can't blame the guy for preparing for his destiny!

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t128/gpshafer_1976/tj_trophy.jpg

Looks good, I like the sound of it!

Go Texans!

EVOLVIST
12-11-2011, 02:30 AM
No Tarheel has ever started as a QB either.

Yes, I found this horribly muddled and confusing article from May 2011 (with my own annotations):

UNC QBs in the NFL…or the Lack Thereof
By: WV Wolf May 3, 2011
ACC, College Football, Featured, NCS Football, Stat of the Day

Over the weekend during the NFL draft, there was some discussion and questions on SFN’s Twitter account about UNC quarterbacks in the NFL. Thanks to Pro Football Reference (all the stats in this entry are based on stats from this site) I was able to shed some light on the situation which actually ended up getting picked up on Twitter by CBS Sports.

T.J. Yates now makes the 6th UNC QB to be drafted by the NFL, the first since Chris Kupec in 1975. None of those previous 5 draft picks threw a single pass in the NFL.

Scott Stankavage is the only UNC QB to throw a pass in the NFL. He played 1 game for the Denver Broncos in 1984 and 3 games in 1987 for the Miami Dolphins. His career stats are 8 of 25 for 66 yards with 0 touchdowns, 2 interceptions and a rating of 7.9.

This seems to be contradictory information, but I could not find a draft record for Scott Stankavage, so it seems he went undrafted.

An interesting note on Stankavage: Though he had no starts, in the 3 games he played, 2 were losses and 1 was a win where he completed 3-3 passes for 15 yards.

Yates passed him up in one game.

No UNC player has ever started at quarterback in the NFL.

Overall passing stats for all 17 UNC players that have thrown a pass in the NFL are 26 of 106 for 395 yards with 2 touchdowns, 18 interceptions and a rating of 24.7. That rating is less than half of Ryan Leaf’s career QB rating.

UNC’s career passing leader in the NFL is HB Ed Sutton who went 5 of 15 for 146 yards and 1 TD for the Washington Redskins from 1957 to 1959.

Amazing that a school that has been playing football since 1888 has never had an NFL starting QB.

Now it says there are 17 players total, but I found that they were all RBs or WRs.

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2011/05/03/unc-qbs-in-the-nfl-or-the-lack-thereof/

On a side note, Ronald Curry the QB phenom out of UNC who lead his team to 2 bowl games was drafted into the NFL in 7th round, pick 235, of the 2002 NFL draft. But not as a QB. As a wide reciever. He never completed a pass in the NFL.

devo-x
12-11-2011, 10:57 AM
Greg Knapp has been busy this season (5 different QBs including Schaub)

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/knapp-works-overtime-with-texans-qbs/

EVOLVIST
12-11-2011, 03:00 PM
The Bengals game is at the 2 minute warning. The ball is in "The Kid's" hands.

I've heard a lot of people callng for Yates' head in the game thread.

Even if Yates does not pull it out and win this game, you should be ashamed of yourself with the guts this kid has shown.

I didn't see a regression today. I saw growth from a rookie making his first start on the road.

stingray
12-11-2011, 03:08 PM
He pulled it off. What a game for the rook!!!

thunderkyss
12-11-2011, 03:11 PM
I love this kid

LikeMike
12-11-2011, 03:56 PM
T. Yates 26/44 300 Yards 2 TD 1 INT

I didn`t believe he could put up stats like that in his second start. And with that game winning drive. Will Schaub be here next year?

Iceman16
12-11-2011, 10:04 PM
Is it time to start at least considering that this man could be a better fit for the Texans under center than Matt "Anti-Clutch" Schaub?

worldlyman
12-11-2011, 10:29 PM
Is it time to start at least considering that this man could be a better fit for the Texans under center than Matt "Anti-Clutch" Schaub?

Schaub's had his share of clutch moments (Washington, Green Bay, Miami, Kansas City...). But consider this year, with Schaub under center, the Texans have been a dominant scoring machine, even against pretty good defenses. With TJ, the Texans have had to gut those wins out.

A QB controversy of this sort is a nice problem to have, but let's see how the rest of the season pans out. Schaub didn't exactly cause himself to be benched.

escrimador
12-11-2011, 10:41 PM
Love watching him grow into the position! Of course, Schaub would have put up at least 14 - 20 points in the first half against that secondary. Yates has 3 more games to get more experience before the playoffs. Git ta learnin! oh yeah, long time lurker on this, the main board and BRB...the afterglow of the Texans win is forcing me to interact with my fellow Texans fans. My social anxiety meds (beer) must be working.

Lucky
12-11-2011, 10:42 PM
But consider this year, with Schaub under center, the Texans have been a dominant scoring machine, even against pretty good defenses. With TJ, the Texans have had to gut those wins out.
Schaub faced 3 top 10 defenses (Steelers, Ravens, Jaguars) and the Texans averaged 18.3 ppg.

Yates has started against 2 top defenses (Falcons and Bengals) and the Texans have averaged 18.5 ppg.

I'm not trying to suggest that Yates is the better QB. Just setting the facts straight.

Vinny
12-11-2011, 10:45 PM
I love this! I'm Yatesing!!

drinking the Yateraide

EVOLVIST
12-11-2011, 10:45 PM
Schaub's had his share of clutch moments (Washington, Green Bay, Miami, Kansas City...). But consider this year, with Schaub under center, the Texans have been a dominant scoring machine, even against pretty good defenses. With TJ, the Texans have had to gut those wins out.

I'm not Anti-Schaub; I still think Schaub is a good enough QB to take us to the promised land. However, the reason the Texans have had to "gut these wins out" is because they faced two really good teams with really good defenses, late in the season, when almost all games gets tougher.

Against playoff bound teams Schaub was 1-2 with a win against the Steelers, and two losses against the Saints and Ravens.

Yates is 2-0 against the Falcons & Bengals. (Well, we might have just ruined the Bengals' chance for a playoff).

Anyway, I'm going to go against my own grain for the sake of argument, because just like baseball, I think it's bullshit to attribute wins and losses to a QB and a pitcher in team sports.

So, I guess my argument doesn't hold much water either when you examine it beneath the skin.

ObsiWan
12-11-2011, 10:55 PM
Greg Knapp has been busy this season (5 different QBs including Schaub)

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/knapp-works-overtime-with-texans-qbs/

man, I hope no one tries to steal him away with the offer of an Offensive Coordinator gig.

Scooter
12-11-2011, 10:59 PM
i think the game really changed for yates when he ripped one in to walter on the right hash (2nd or 3rd quarter). until that point he seemed to be a little hesitant and as it's said about pitchers "aiming instead of throwing" - several floaters and an overall weakness to his throws. that fireball to walter seemed to change the mood and he let it go a whole lot cleaner and crisper afterwards. edit: if the coaches saw the same, it wouldnt surprise me to see an early route combination that invites TJ to let one rip - anything to get the arm settled earlier. i think that was the idea with the first bomb to jacoby, but without the desired effect.

getting settled, finding his rhythm, and being quicker with his progressions (not staring down targets as well) are just part of the process. he's still got plenty of work to do, but "the kid" is doing so much right that he's just plain fun to watch. i dont think we're ok at quarterback, i think we're good and getting great at quarterback.

i am a little worried about the two or three play actions to nobody though.

Rey
12-11-2011, 11:14 PM
I'm going to let the season play out, but Yates is making a case to be a starter. Dude is young athletic and has snake venom in his veins.

He missed some throws that schaub probably makes though.

At this point he is at the very least the backup for sure. Leinart is #3 if he's back.

But if Yates keeps it up I'd seriously consider trading schaub for a first. Take another corner and a stud wr.

I know, this isn't madden. But I can't think straight right now. Kist got back from a Christmas part and I'm a lil tipsy.

worldlyman
12-12-2011, 12:01 AM
Schaub faced 3 top 10 defenses (Steelers, Ravens, Jaguars) and the Texans averaged 18.3 ppg.

Yates has started against 2 top defenses (Falcons and Bengals) and the Texans have averaged 18.5 ppg.

I'm not trying to suggest that Yates is the better QB. Just setting the facts straight.

I mentioned "pretty decent" defenses (not necessarily "top"). And scoring.

-Schaub's offense hung 30 points on what was said to be a fairly stout Cleveland Browns defense at the time of that game. Only one other team has scored 30 or more against the Browns this season.

-Schaub's offense pretty much got 30 out of 37 against a testy Bucs defense in the Pirate Ship. Consider the Saints/Brees only scored 20 in a loss there hitherto. Another high-powered offense like the Falcons/Ryan got 13 in a loss down there against those Bucs this year.

-Schaub's offense plastered 34 points on a Titans team that is not easy to demolish in Nashville. No other team has put 34 points in LP field this year if I'm not mistaken.

If Schaub were healthy, I believe he would have put up more than 17 against the Falcons in Reliant. There are probably many who would agree with that.

Admittedly, who knows how he would have done against the Bengals. The Bengals played tough today. But I am very glad to see TJ's (hopefully) coming out party.

Just wanted to set a few facts straight as well.

kiwitexansfan
12-12-2011, 12:07 AM
If he keeps playing this well or even keeps improving, it will get interesting come draft time when the offers start coming in and you know they will.

Lucky
12-12-2011, 12:09 AM
If he keeps playing this well or even keeps improving, it will get interesting come draft time when the offers start coming in and you know they will.
The Texans won't trade Yates. Only draftniks would do that.

Corrosion
12-12-2011, 12:22 AM
I'm going to let the season play out, but Yates is making a case to be a starter. Dude is young athletic and has snake venom in his veins.

He missed some throws that schaub probably makes though.

At this point he is at the very least the backup for sure. Leinart is #3 if he's back.

But if Yates keeps it up I'd seriously consider trading schaub for a first. Take another corner and a stud wr.

I know, this isn't madden. But I can't think straight right now. Kist got back from a Christmas part and I'm a lil tipsy.

He missed several reads as well .... He's really got to work on going thru the progressions and not locking onto a single target. Those same progressions and reads along with his decision making are Schaubs strengths.

I agree Leinart will be be the #3 if he's back next season .... But Schaub despite his flaws is the clear #1 IMO.

GP
12-12-2011, 12:39 AM
The Texans won't trade Yates. Only draftniks would do that.

Well, if Morey was the GM....

b0ng
12-12-2011, 01:48 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8vCKM.jpg

brakos82
12-12-2011, 02:24 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8vCKM.jpg

:lol: Yep, we found our next QB.

JamesBill
12-12-2011, 03:13 AM
I think we got good value for a 5th rounder.

Rey
12-12-2011, 06:58 AM
He missed several reads as well .... He's really got to work on going thru the progressions and not locking onto a single target. Those same progressions and reads along with his decision making are Schaubs strengths.

I agree Leinart will be be the #3 if he's back next season .... But Schaub despite his flaws is the clear #1 IMO.

Right now schaub is clearly the number one. But we have at least 4 more games left.

That will have been almost two months of starting time for teej. Lots of time to evaluate him. Lots of tome for him to continue to impress or fail. I'm not saying he's going to be as good as schaub at any point this year, but if he continues to play well we may want to keep him in there and not stunt his growth.

Then you'd also have the dynamic of anytime schaub made a mistake folks would start calling for tj to start.

He made some rookie mistakes yesterday, but he made a lot of plays and he made a lot of plays in crucial moments.

I'm looking for him to be a better player when the season ends than he was when he first got in the game against the jags. He's played some good defenses.

Our defense helped him out in the second half, first half no favors. Running game helped him a little I guess. Tate's fumble didn't. Arian's "fumble" didn't help. That last drive that started on our goal line was amazing.

Yates threw for 300, 2 td's and a pick and he didn't have aj green going up and mossing folks. Not bad in that situation for a rookie of any caliber.

Gonna be interesting to see how he finishes because if he continues like this it's going to be a tough call simply from an upside standpoint.

El Tejano
12-12-2011, 07:39 AM
Thank you to all who kept my thread alive.

speedfreek
12-12-2011, 07:45 AM
his mobility is what makes his potential greater than schaub.

if matt's foot doesn't get back to pre-injury levels, this disparity well get even bigger..

TJ

Rey
12-12-2011, 07:52 AM
his mobility is what makes his potential greater than schaub.

if matt's foot doesn't get back to pre-injury levels, this disparity well get even bigger..

TJ


Schaub is a really good QB....

Not going to be easy for Tj to take that spot...He hasn't done it yet...

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show one way or the other...

welsh texan
12-12-2011, 07:54 AM
Until TJ has to bring the team back from a big deficit, or convert some critical 3rd downs to keep a drive going, I don't think we really know what we've got. He certainly hasn't had to do either in the 6 or 7 quarters that he's played so far.

Maybe he will have such an opportunity in Cicinnatti.

Well now we know, the guy has bollocks to make that run on 3rd and long. I see plenty of 5th round rookie type flaws in TJ's game yesterday, none of which were enough to outweigh his fantastic ability to lead his team 80 yards downfield when he needed to.

My only question is how well do we think this guy could actually become? He seems to have every intangible going for him, and slightly better physical qualities than Schaub. Maybe the Texans have struck gold here??

BullNation4Life
12-12-2011, 10:11 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8vCKM.jpg

MMMMMMMM.... Bengal taste Yummy.....

Here Kitty, kitty, kitty....

ziggy29
12-12-2011, 10:17 AM
MMMMMMMM.... Bengal taste Yummy.....

If that picture is an indication, it's finger lickin' good.... must taste like chicken.

The Pencil Neck
12-12-2011, 10:22 AM
I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show one way or the other...

This is the main thing.

It's going to be exciting seeing the Teej-meister develop. And next pre-season is going to get interesting if the Teej continues to progress.

PHAROAH
12-12-2011, 10:32 AM
The kid is a baller and he plays like TJ Yates LOL he doesn't have to be anyone else but himself but if you all want to make comparisons he reminds me more of a Ben Rothlisberger type but in a west coast offense. Big Ben is an inch taller at 6'5 240 and TJ is at 6'4" 220 and he can move his feet like Ben and the biggest difference is Bens strength the guy is a mule and the fact that Ben plays in a spread offense where he can improvise and make down field throws. Don't beat me up brethren but that is who is he reminds me of the biggest difference is the strength & offense that ben plays in now lets see if he can lead us like Ben did as a rookie!!!

burro
12-12-2011, 10:39 AM
I think it's a little early to say that there is a QB controversy...but if there were I wouldn't know which side to fall on. Yates needs to work on his reads and especially needs to work on selling the PA. However, as far as we can tell at this point, Yates has more arm strength and mobility than Schaub ever will and arguably more poise in the pocket. Tough choice, big gamble.

Rey
12-12-2011, 10:42 AM
This is the main thing.

It's going to be exciting seeing the Teej-meister develop. And next pre-season is going to get interesting if the Teej continues to progress.

Very exciting...


Barring any unfortunate situations he is looking to make history for the franchise as the first QB to start a play-off game for us...

Will he be the first to win one?

I feel really bad for Schaub though...It has to be killing him to have to sit on the sideline and watch the games and not be able to contribute...This is his team...his offense...

And he is human...I know he is thinking about next year and what it means for him too if TJ keeps it up...

Right now though, It's TJ's world and we're all just in it.

ThaJokaa
12-12-2011, 10:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwWl_-KH0xU&feature=player_embedded

Lets bring this back...

ziggy29
12-12-2011, 10:46 AM
I think it's a little early to say that there is a QB controversy...but if there were I wouldn't know which side to fall on. Yates needs to work on his reads and especially needs to work on selling the PA. However, as far as we can tell at this point, Yates has more arm strength and mobility than Schaub ever will and arguably more poise in the pocket. Tough choice, big gamble.

Let's just say that right now, I hope there *is* a QB controversy in the off-season because that means TJ will continue to deliver for the remainder of this season.

It's way too early to anoint him as the starter over a healthy Schaub next year. But after three more games and the playoffs ahead, who knows? That could change -- but not yet.

ThaJokaa
12-12-2011, 10:51 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8vCKM.jpg

TJ to the Bengals Sideline: Fooled ya!

thunderkyss
12-12-2011, 12:40 PM
You guys should really read this thread (http://forum.jaguars.com/index.php?showtopic=699405&pid=1685680&st=0&#entry1685680) on the Jags board..... disturbing.

SeminoleTexan
12-12-2011, 01:05 PM
You guys should really read this thread (http://forum.jaguars.com/index.php?showtopic=699405&pid=1685680&st=0&#entry1685680) on the Jags board..... disturbing.

yea I've been following this thread since it started last week. My favorite quote...

"If the tacks have hit on Locker and Yates becomes a steal for Houston then i want Genes head. Ponder looks like the future in Minn despite the rest of the team, Dalton's the man in Cincy,Cam is carolinas future, Locker look good in limited time for the tacks, and Gabbert looks like garbage."

lmao

reinders
12-12-2011, 02:30 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/whbmtz.jpg

Blake
12-12-2011, 02:31 PM
That picture is disturbing...

TexansLucky13
12-12-2011, 09:13 PM
My nickname has meaning once again!!!! Yates for president!!!

thunderkyss
12-12-2011, 10:22 PM
With 10:15 left in the third qtr, we rab a bootleg. Gannon said Tj should have slowed down & hit the tightend crossing across the middle. The tight end was open, but this is the same play Foster scored that 90 yard TD against Tennessee.

From the all 22 view, you can see this play develop just like it had in Tennessee. Had Tj stopped & looked to the other side of the field, like Schaub had done twice this year, my fantsy team would have done much better.

welsh texan
12-13-2011, 08:55 AM
With 10:15 left in the third qtr, we rab a bootleg. Gannon said Tj should have slowed down & hit the tightend crossing across the middle. The tight end was open, but this is the same play Foster scored that 90 yard TD against Tennessee.

From the all 22 view, you can see this play develop just like it had in Tennessee. Had Tj stopped & looked to the other side of the field, like Schaub had done twice this year, my fantsy team would have done much better.

Weren't those designed QB running plays? I thought the way he didn't look up seemed like it was setting something up for later, then when they chose to come back to it a defender blew it up and Yates had to get rid of the ball too quick.

thunderkyss
12-13-2011, 06:43 PM
Weren't those designed QB running plays? I thought the way he didn't look up seemed like it was setting something up for later, then when they chose to come back to it a defender blew it up and Yates had to get rid of the ball too quick.

I think there was only one designed run. He picked up that 3rd & 15 on a broken play, then two bootlegs (to the right) he picked up 2 yards & 5 yards when he didn't see a receiver. The designed run was to the left.

But the play I'm talking about there (I think it's the one he picked up the two yards) he had two receivers in front of him that were sort of covered, then he had AF wide open with lots of green in front of him on the other side of the field.

ThaJokaa
12-14-2011, 11:55 PM
Lots of Yates love on NFLN, once again, Deion Sanders can eat a dick

http://www.nfl.com/videos/houston-texans/09000d5d82510509/Grading-the-young-crop-of-QBs

thunderkyss
12-15-2011, 06:59 AM
Lots of Yates love on NFLN, once again, Deion Sanders can eat a dick


Why's it gotta be like that?

Not everybody is going to agree with our opinions..... not everybody is going to believe the Texans are the best team ever.

Just not going to happen.

Texn4life
12-15-2011, 07:19 AM
Why's it gotta be like that?

Not everybody is going to agree with our opinions..... not everybody is going to believe the Texans are the best team ever.

Just not going to happen.

I agree with this. The only thing he said was that he can't say the Texans are the top team in the AFC right now because he doesn't trust Yates. He's played 2 and a half games right now compared to 5 Super Bowls combined from 2 of the other QB's in the mix. I can't say I trust him 100 percent yet either, but he's earning it slowly.

If we show we can go out and dominate a bad Panthers defense then I'll feel a little better. Yates is only going to get better, but its hard to blame Deion for feeling this way after only a couple of games with him starting. Its going to be hard to beat Brady and Big Ben in the playoffs not scoring more than 20 points. We have to improve on our ability to put together complete games on offense over the next 3 weeks.

Edit: Sorry I thought this was the NFL No huddle video where they were talking about the AFC contenders. After watching it, he didn't say anything all that terrible although I disagree with him about his assessment up until this point. He said he doesn't know how "he's going to react to pressure in the playoffs". Well he graded the rookies on how they've performed so far and then graded him on how he's going to do. Doesn't make sense, but oh well. IMO he's already played in 2 "playoff" games and won them. Not bad if you ask me, and like a said he will get better.

Thorn
12-15-2011, 07:38 AM
Why's it gotta be like that?

Not everybody is going to agree with our opinions..... not everybody is going to believe the Texans are the best team ever.

Just not going to happen.

Oh, so true, so true. Folks seem to have already forgotten about all the rest of our seasons when no one took us seriously, they laughed at us, we were considered a soft spot in their schedule, and all the TV announcers picked against us. All of a sudden one season we finally start kicking ass and it's like "How come everyone doesn't love us?".

It's because no matter which team you are, there are folks on TV that don't like you. I've seen TV talking heads saying things about how Green Bay can be beaten and Tebow won't last long in the playoffs. No team is off limits no matter what they've accomplished.

EVOLVIST
12-15-2011, 10:51 AM
Why's it gotta be like that?

Not everybody is going to agree with our opinions..... not everybody is going to believe the Texans are the best team ever.

Just not going to happen.

No, Deion Sanders can eat dick. It's not that I want Deion - or anyone else for that matter - to agree with my opinions, it's just that Deion always comes off as the most uneducated out of any of the talking heads. Any topic, anytime. He just sort of comes off like he's jiving and not thinking.

Oddly enough, the same with Michael Irving. Thank god that Aikmen and Moose are doing pretty good jobs in the booth, or it would leave one to believe there is no life after Dallas.

The Pencil Neck
12-15-2011, 10:58 AM
I've got no problem with what Deion said.

He needs to see more. Nothing wrong with that.

ObsiWan
12-15-2011, 11:08 AM
Lots of Yates love on NFLN, once again, Deion Sanders can eat a dick

http://www.nfl.com/videos/houston-texans/09000d5d82510509/Grading-the-young-crop-of-QBs

Why's it gotta be like that?

Not everybody is going to agree with our opinions..... not everybody is going to believe the Texans are the best team ever.

Just not going to happen.

Very true.
and up until T.J. pulled off the win in Cincy last week, some of us around here had him as "incomplete"; as in not enough info on him to make an informed assessment.

So I don't have a real issue with Deion giving an "Incomplete". It's not good. It's not bad. It's "I don't know yet". And that's what anyone with any sense should say when they aren't sure.

Come to think of it, that's a lot more intelligent than some of the things said when Leinart first got hurt. Remember all those, "they don't have a chance with a 3rd string QB" assessments when they were predicting how we'd do against Atlanta?

Double Barrel
12-15-2011, 11:20 AM
Primetime tries to be the 'wittiest guy in the room' too much. I think his insight on certain aspects of the game are great, especially the angles that he is experienced in analyzing. But too often, he tries too hard with his comments. He tries to get cute with it, and I think it ultimately hurts his credibility as an analyst.

That being said, I don't have a problem with what he said about Yates. I do not think he's watching entire games, though. He sees highlights and seems to read what the producers tell him.

Sapp, on the other hand, is definitely watching the entire game and you can tell with his comments. And I'm not just saying this because he likes us. :D

ThaJokaa
12-15-2011, 09:20 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/2r7390z.jpg

Jaysol
12-15-2011, 10:17 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/2r7390z.jpg

Dude, I ****ING LOVE THAT! I will be doing that to my Shaub Jersey for Sunday's game. Sporting it like a boss at the Texan's Grille! Thanks for the idea! Reps!

ThaJokaa
12-15-2011, 10:54 PM
I'll see you there! If I spot you ill say whats up. Idk what ill be wearing yet.

eriadoc
12-16-2011, 04:09 PM
I agree with this. The only thing he said was that he can't say the Texans are the top team in the AFC right now because he doesn't trust Yates.

Actually, he told the others not to trust Yates. There is a difference.

Texn4life
12-16-2011, 04:33 PM
Actually, he told the others not to trust Yates. There is a difference.

They're grown men though.... Do you think they care that Deion told them that? Come on now. We're getting way too worked up when people say anything close to negative about the Texans. Its one thing to disagree with them, but its another to get angry and upset about it. I could care less what most people outside of my family and boss say. And most of the time I don't care what he says.

TheMatrix31
12-16-2011, 06:10 PM
No, Deion Sanders can eat dick. It's not that I want Deion - or anyone else for that matter - to agree with my opinions, it's just that Deion always comes off as the most uneducated out of any of the talking heads. Any topic, anytime. He just sort of comes off like he's jiving and not thinking.

Oddly enough, the same with Michael Irving. Thank god that Aikmen and Moose are doing pretty good jobs in the booth, or it would leave one to believe there is no life after Dallas.

Exactly. Irvin and Sanders have ruined how good NFLN used to be. Which is sad because NFLN has only been around for a few years.

thunderkyss
12-16-2011, 06:57 PM
Exactly. Irvin and Sanders have ruined how good NFLN used to be. Which is sad because NFLN has only been around for a few years.

Different crowd I guess. I love both Irvin & Sanders on NFLN... I think they made it better.

Allstar
12-16-2011, 07:02 PM
I'm more or less indifferent to Deion, but Irvin, Sapp and Dukes can all be insufferable at times. Irvin is the worst.

GuerillaBlack
12-16-2011, 07:06 PM
I'm more or less indifferent to Deion, but Irvin, Sapp and Dukes can all be insufferable at times. Irvin is the worst.

Only person I don't really is Dukes. Irvin can be annoying, but he's right on many things, he's just too loud. They Gameday Crew just looks like they have a lot of fun, which is why its enjoyable for me to watch. Sapp is the best tho, especially when he's disagreeing with someone.

b0ng
12-17-2011, 10:27 AM
http://bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view.bg?&articleid=1388607&format=&page=1&listingType=nfl#articleFull

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — At the NFL draft combine last February, T.J. Yates was one of three college quarterbacks brought in not to be specifically evaluated but to spend their hours throwing passes to players who were potentially high on the wish list of various franchises.

Yates, who passed for 3,418 yards and 19 touchdowns as a senior at North Carolina, was in a throwing group with future Panthers quarterback Cam Newton, who was getting the microscope treatment while Yates was doing what amounted to football grunt work.

The two quarterbacks made some small talk, then Newton went on to become the No. 1 pick in the draft while Yates became the 152nd pick, a fifth-round choice of the Houston Texans [team stats], home of quarterbacks Matt Schaub and Matt Leinart.

On Sunday in Reliant Stadium, they will start against each other when the Panthers visit the Texans, who locked down the franchise’s first playoff berth last Sunday when Yates — the third-team quarterback three weeks ago — tossed a six-yard touchdown pass with two seconds remaining to beat Cincinnati 20-19, sparking a celebration across southeast Texas.

beerlover
12-17-2011, 10:42 AM
http://bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view.bg?&articleid=1388607&format=&page=1&listingType=nfl#articleFull

This capitulates the essence of why normal people become transformed into draft geeks, like me. Even the smallest of details can lead to fascinating & compelling match-ups.

Yates evolution says a lot about his character & work ethic, two things very difficult to scout unless you have direct access to camps, workouts & interviews. So it says alot about the Texans scouting department directed by Mike Maccagnan (unsure of regional scout responsible for area) yet these gentlemen go unnoticed, hardly ever mentioned, so props to them for offering Kubiak & Phillips a banquet of talent to select from :chef:

Wolf
12-17-2011, 01:00 PM
Alan's Blog

Kubiak's mentorship gives Yates confidence

We've known for a while that Texans head coach Gary Kubiak is a quarterback's coach.

But we haven't seen such a stark example of what Kubiak can do with a young quarterback until this T.J. Yates thing started taking shape last week against Atlanta.

These two guys seem to be made for each other.

“It’s awesome," Yates replied when asked after the game yesterday how helpful is it to have a head coach who was a former quarterback.

"During timeouts, (Kubiak) is always filling my head with reminders and little things that help me calm down," said Yates. "He’s sees the game through a quarterback’s mind. He’s knows what I’m thinking out there. It really helps because he has the right thing to say, which gives me confidence.”

Yates gave a prime example of how Kubiak's tutoring paid off in a big way.

On the Texans game winning drive Sunday at Cincinnati, Yates converted a huge 3rd and 15 by scrambling for 17 yards and a first down in Bengals territory with less than a minute remaining.

“On that scramble, (Kubiak) said if they were playing two (safeties) deep, that I should just take off," said Yates. "That really helped me to make that decision quicker.”

Many of us have been critical of Kubiak over the years for being too much of a quarterbacks coach/offensive coordinator and not enough of a head coach.

There were questions about whether Kubiak had the right persona to be the head guy.





http://www.examiner.com/houston-texans-in-houston/kubiak-s-mentorship-gives-yates-confidence

dc_txtech
12-17-2011, 01:20 PM
Why do they have a picture of an Indian man in sunglasses for TJ's profile on Wikipedia? That is clearly not Yates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._J._Yates

rmartin65
12-17-2011, 01:30 PM
Why do they have a picture of an Indian man in sunglasses for TJ's profile on Wikipedia? That is clearly not Yates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._J._Yates

Thats an ad begging for people to donate to wiki. It is not Yates.

EVOLVIST
12-25-2011, 11:54 PM
#1 - Like many of us have said before, no matter the talent, rookie QBs just do not fare well in the NFL. There are a few rare exceptions; but for the most part the good...no, even the great QBs have performed like, well...like rookies!

#2 - The biggest stat of all for a QB is wins. After that, I would say his QB rating is a pretty big stat, because it shows how efficient he is with the ball. He can have a sorry defense and he could be screwed; he could lack offensive weapons or poor coaching and he's screwed; he could even have poor leadership skills, but he can rise above that and be efficient, which goes a long way towards maturity and his future development (one would hope).

#3 - The chances of TJ Yates making a big splash in the NFL are slim. The chances are even slimmer right now of Yates to take the Texans to the Super Bowl, let alone winning a playoff game. Yet, for what it's worth, I'm still tracking him against his peers.

This time through 4 rookie starts.

Cam Newton (1-3)
1386 Yards
QB Rating = 84.5

Blaine Gabbert (0-4)
665 Yards
QB Rating = 69.2

Christian Ponder (1-3)
856 Yards
QB Rating = 66.9

Andy Dalton (2-2)
868 Yards
QB Rating = 76.9

TJ Yates (2-2)
832 Yards
QB Rating = 80.8

* Bonus * Just for grins :)
Matt Leinart (0-4)
845 Yards
QB Rating = 68.8


It's interesting and should not be avoided that both Dalton and Yates have more complete teams behind them, albeit Cincy has a more talented group of recievers to throw to over the Texans.

thunderkyss
12-26-2011, 04:34 AM
#3 - The chances of TJ Yates making a big splash in the NFL are slim. The chances are even slimmer right now of Yates to take the Texans to the Super Bowl, let alone winning a playoff game. Yet, for what it's worth, I'm still tracking him against his peers


I'd like to see how he compares to. Samchex as a rookie. #2 defense, #2 rushing team, or something like that, all the way to the AFC Championship.

EVOLVIST
12-26-2011, 02:21 PM
I'd like to see how he compares to. Samchex as a rookie. #2 defense, #2 rushing team, or something like that, all the way to the AFC Championship.

In 4 rookie starts:

Mark Sanchez (3-1)
744 Yards
QB Rating = 71.2

In fact, for the whole year he had a 63 QB Rating. But in the playoffs Sanchez, in 3 games had a stellar rating of 92.7

thunderkyss
12-26-2011, 02:53 PM
In 4 rookie starts:

TJ Yates (2-2)
832 Yards
QB Rating = 80.8

Mark Sanchez (3-1)
744 Yards
QB Rating = 71.2

In fact, for the whole year he had a 63 QB Rating. But in the playoffs Sanchez, in 3 games had a stellar rating of 92.7

& Sanchez wasn't asked to do a whole lot. It was the running game & the defense that got them to the AFC Championship game 2 years in a row.

Mark had to make some good throws, on some good decisions, but those games weren't on his shoulders. That's what we've got to do with Yates.... it's not protecting him or limiting the play book, it's helping him.

This is a team game, the team is going to have to be bigger than the QB.

EllisUnit
12-26-2011, 03:11 PM
& Sanchez wasn't asked to do a whole lot. It was the running game & the defense that got them to the AFC Championship game 2 years in a row.

Mark had to make some good throws, on some good decisions, but those games weren't on his shoulders. That's what we've got to do with Sanchez.... it's not protecting him or limiting the play book, it's helping him.
This is a team game, the team is going to have to be bigger than the QB.

If we play the jets i hope we dont take ur advice :whip:

El Tejano
12-27-2011, 07:38 AM
I was wondering if anyone else noticed on our last drive of the Indy game when we had a 3rd down to convert to basically ice the game and kick a go-ahead FG or TD, basically to keep the ball in our hands to win the game. The camera made a quick glance to the Texans sidelines where you could see Matt L. get up from the bench as to make his way to the sidelines to support Yates and the offense. As he is getting up he taps Schaub on the shoulder and motions to him to get up and go to the sideline but Matt Schaub declines......

Kimmy
12-27-2011, 08:22 AM
I was wondering if anyone else noticed on our last drive of the Indy game when we had a 3rd down to convert to basically ice the game and kick a go-ahead FG or TD, basically to keep the ball in our hands to win the game. The camera made a quick glance to the Texans sidelines where you could see Matt L. get up from the bench as to make his way to the sidelines to support Yates and the offense. As he is getting up he taps Schaub on the shoulder and motions to him to get up and go to the sideline but Matt Schaub declines......

I didn't see it, but if it's true, I would bet it is because of his foot.

I've had multiple foot injuries and I can tell you, being on a plane during them HURTS! Causes all kinds of swelling, etc.

I don't even know why he is traveling with the team? He should be in bed with that leg up at all times.

infantrycak
12-27-2011, 10:35 AM
I was wondering if anyone else noticed on our last drive of the Indy game when we had a 3rd down to convert to basically ice the game and kick a go-ahead FG or TD, basically to keep the ball in our hands to win the game. The camera made a quick glance to the Texans sidelines where you could see Matt L. get up from the bench as to make his way to the sidelines to support Yates and the offense. As he is getting up he taps Schaub on the shoulder and motions to him to get up and go to the sideline but Matt Schaub declines......

If you are implying anything that is just wrong.

SheTexan
12-27-2011, 10:42 AM
I was wondering if anyone else noticed on our last drive of the Indy game when we had a 3rd down to convert to basically ice the game and kick a go-ahead FG or TD, basically to keep the ball in our hands to win the game. The camera made a quick glance to the Texans sidelines where you could see Matt L. get up from the bench as to make his way to the sidelines to support Yates and the offense. As he is getting up he taps Schaub on the shoulder and motions to him to get up and go to the sideline but Matt Schaub declines......

Come on EL T!! MS should have been HOME, competely off that foot, as ordered by his Docs, but, he went to support his team anyway! NO WEIGHT bearing at all for several months, so I heard, might be weeks. BUT, anyway, to imply the MS is not behind Yates, is just WRONG!!

burro
12-27-2011, 11:07 AM
I was wondering if anyone else noticed on our last drive of the Indy game when we had a 3rd down to convert to basically ice the game and kick a go-ahead FG or TD, basically to keep the ball in our hands to win the game. The camera made a quick glance to the Texans sidelines where you could see Matt L. get up from the bench as to make his way to the sidelines to support Yates and the offense. As he is getting up he taps Schaub on the shoulder and motions to him to get up and go to the sideline but Matt Schaub declines......

The only thing this implies is that Matt Leinart, despite his good nature, isn't the brightest bulb on the sideline. It kind of reminds me of when Joe Biden asked the paralyzed guy to stand up and take a bow.

El Tejano
12-27-2011, 11:36 AM
I didn't imply anything. I asked if yall noticed that. I'm quite aware that Matt S. has helped Yates through this time and then some.

CloakNNNdagger
12-28-2011, 07:42 PM
Houston Texans Twitter

@TJ_Yates: "Everybody’s got complete & total faith in ourselves in this locker room.We’ve got all the confidence in the world in each other"
1 hour ago

I hope that "Everybody's got complete and total faith in ourselves" is not left in the locker room.

2BCF
12-28-2011, 10:41 PM
I didn't imply anything. I asked if yall noticed that. I'm quite aware that Matt S. has helped Yates through this time and then some.

That's it, no more MB for you ET... shouldn't you be praying for the team again, they're going to need it. :D
It seemed to work, until lately. Somebody's been slacking.

CloakNNNdagger
12-31-2011, 08:04 PM
We could be in worse shape............the Cowboys, in light of Romo's injury, just called up their 3rd QB from their practice squad..............35 years old..........from the practice squad..........:chef:

brakos82
12-31-2011, 08:09 PM
http://www.statesman.com/multimedia/dynamic/01252/SPORTS_FBN-TEXANSS_1252073c.jpg

I give up.

EllisUnit
12-31-2011, 08:46 PM
anyone ever notice that on A LOT of the play action passes Foster goes one way and Yates hands off to air i have seen this atleast 10 times, who are we trying to fool handing the ball off to the air, he cant do nothing.

clutch
12-31-2011, 10:40 PM
he better play well or else im gonna be booing his a** 7 rows back from the field..

EllisUnit
12-31-2011, 10:46 PM
he better play well or else im gonna be booing his a** 7 rows back from the field..

since our team has done what they have with what they have i say we try to keep the boo birds away from the stadium regadless of they outcome. Would love to see the home crowd show support even if we lose. How rare would that be.

ObsiWan
01-01-2012, 03:31 AM
We could be in worse shape............the Cowboys, in light of Romo's injury, just called up their 3rd QB from their practice squad..............35 years old..........from the practice squad..........:chef:

Stop challenging the Universe. It has more resources than we do.

brakos82
01-01-2012, 11:26 AM
Stop challenging the Universe. It has more resources than we do.

Not to mention we all die this year anyways. Damn Mayans. LOL

The Pencil Neck
01-03-2012, 06:00 PM
anyone ever notice that on A LOT of the play action passes Foster goes one way and Yates hands off to air i have seen this atleast 10 times, who are we trying to fool handing the ball off to the air, he cant do nothing.

Actually, it does. Just seeing the ball out there like that can draw some guys up. But in a lot of those cases what's happening is that Arian is supposed to go one way but he sees that a blitzer is coming from another direction, so he bails on the play fake to pick up the blitzer.

A couple of years ago, some of our running backs would go through with the play fake and then struggle to rush around to where the blitzer was coming from. A few times, Schaub got crushed on those plays and sometimes he just got hit by the RB trying to get over into position.

I think Schaub now reads that blitzer and changes his fake. But Yates isn't there, yet. He just makes the fake he was supposed to make whether or not the RB is going to be there.

EllisUnit
01-03-2012, 06:37 PM
Actually, it does. Just seeing the ball out there like that can draw some guys up. But in a lot of those cases what's happening is that Arian is supposed to go one way but he sees that a blitzer is coming from another direction, so he bails on the play fake to pick up the blitzer.

A couple of years ago, some of our running backs would go through with the play fake and then struggle to rush around to where the blitzer was coming from. A few times, Schaub got crushed on those plays and sometimes he just got hit by the RB trying to get over into position.

I think Schaub now reads that blitzer and changes his fake. But Yates isn't there, yet. He just makes the fake he was supposed to make whether or not the RB is going to be there.

true, i thought i had heard something about that but YOU made me realize that Schaub prob adjusted and faked the other way.

Playoffs
01-29-2014, 06:54 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Houston Texans QB T.J. Yates will be honored by Mayor Annise Parker recognizing his service to veterans in the Houston community.
:clap:

kiwitexansfan
01-29-2014, 07:41 PM
http://doupe.zive.cz/files/tmp/Unicorn/Threadcromancy.jpg

Blake
03-18-2014, 12:34 PM
It will be interesting to see what they do with Yates. He is cheap and in the final year of his deal. But does BOB want what he can offer?

NCTexan
03-19-2014, 10:39 AM
It will be interesting to see what they do with Yates. He is cheap and in the final year of his deal. But does BOB want what he can offer?

Seems to me he fits the mold more than Keenum. So maybe it becomes Yates, Draft pick, vet.

Norg
03-20-2014, 01:40 PM
TJ will forever been a footnote in Houston a big one on that he was the first QB to win a Playoff game for dem Texans