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IDEXAN
07-17-2011, 01:57 PM
running back Cedric Benson was arrested and charged with assault causing bodily injury to a family member early Sunday morning in Central Texas.



Benson

No other details were available from the Travis County sheriff's office regarding the Class A misdemeanor charge. Benson will be a free agent once a new collective-bargaining agreement is in place. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6777620/cincinnati-bengals-cedric-benson-jailed-family-assault-charge

GP
07-17-2011, 02:19 PM
Well, I guess Kubiak and Smith are to be commended for not out-bidding the Bengals for Cedric Benson.

I'm big enough to admit that I was wrong and they were right.

:clap:

CloakNNNdagger
07-17-2011, 03:57 PM
The last paragraph is an indictment that sadly seems to extrapolate to more and more teams.

Too many NFL players pursuing their career are becoming kids with too much money, too much time on their hands, too much perception of entitlement, and too little sense of responsibility. They require "handlers" to keep them from becoming career criminals.

Texecutioner
07-17-2011, 05:15 PM
The last paragraph is an indictment that sadly seems to extrapolate to more and more teams.

Too many NFL players pursuing their career are becoming kids with too much money, too much time on their hands, too much perception of entitlement, and too little sense of responsibility. They require "handlers" to keep them from becoming career criminals.

I've been saying this for years now, and it's exactly why I don't feel any of them deserve more money and why I side with the owners. They already make way more money than what they need to be making and most of them still blow all of it and for some strange reason I don't see or hear about near the same types of problems with MLB players or NHL athletes who make ten times less the money.

The Pencil Neck
07-17-2011, 05:45 PM
I've been saying this for years now, and it's exactly why I don't feel any of them deserve more money and why I side with the owners. They already make way more money than what they need to be making and most of them still blow all of it and for some strange reason I don't see or hear about near the same types of problems with MLB players or NHL athletes who make ten times less the money.

For years, I haven't really worried about it.

I look at them as entertainers. These guys are like a resource generating a ton of money and because of that, they deserve to make a ton of money. If Julia Roberts is going to make $20 million for making a piece of crap movie with no socially redeeming value, then these guys should get a nice chunk of change as well.

But you're absolutely right. Many of these guys are just not in a mental/emotional state to properly and responsibly handle that kind of money and it seems like the more money they make (or stand to make), the greater the chance they're going to spin out of control and do all sorts of stupid stuff.

MLB has lots of examples of guys doing stupid, self-destructive things but it seems much more pronounced in the NFL.

It would be great if it were more financially lucrative to go to school and get a degree and work in certain fields than to hit the genetic jackpot and cash in by playing sports. But, that's life.

Lucky
07-17-2011, 06:02 PM
I've been saying this for years now, and it's exactly why I don't feel any of them deserve more money and why I side with the owners. They already make way more money than what they need to be making...
Any? Who decides who deserves what? And how much "they" need?

Booting the screwups out is a justifiable position. If they can't comport themselves in a manner that's beneficial to the business, they don't really belong. But to deny the overwhelming majority the money they can negotiate based upon the actions of a few bad apples is nonsense.

Texecutioner
07-17-2011, 06:30 PM
Any? Who decides who deserves what? And how much "they" need?

Booting the screwups out is a justifiable position. If they can't comport themselves in a manner that's beneficial to the business, they don't really belong. But to deny the overwhelming majority the money they can negotiate based upon the actions of a few bad apples is nonsense.

It's not just a few bad apples. It's a ton of players and has been for the last 15 years. Arrests were so bad a few years ago when Goodell came in, it was nuts. For everyone that acts like Paul T. was this great commish which he was, neglects the fact that Paul T. was way to lenient on crime amongst players and punishing them. I loved Goodell's strong stance, but just haven't liked his lack of consistency on handing out punishments because he has never carried one strong consistent line of punishments as far as suspensions and fines for repeat offenders.

As far as the money goes, athletes in all the major sports are so way over paid that I could go on and on all day long. They simply are and in the NFL the league minimum is like $350,000 dollars a year and I forgot what the statistics were of players that go broke or bankrupt just a few years out of retirement from the NFL but the stats were astounding and made these guys that have let that happen after so many years of league minimum pay and greater look pathetic in my eyes at how so many of them could be so irresponsible as grown men. Sorry, but I've struggled through all different types of jobs and downfalls just like anyone else and I've never made a salary of over $50,000 and I've worked my ass off, but I've never gone bankrupt, I've bought a house and also lived in very nice places in Houston and lived a pretty nice lifestyle. Managing money isn't difficult. Live amongst your means. If you're buying several houses, jewlery, and cars and throwing it all away in the strip club for years then you're irresponsible. You add all of that to all of these stupid arrests I hear about with guys like Benson, Pac Man, and so many others I think it's a shame these guys get the opportunities they do and screw it all up.

Texecutioner
07-17-2011, 06:38 PM
For years, I haven't really worried about it.

I look at them as entertainers. These guys are like a resource generating a ton of money and because of that, they deserve to make a ton of money. If Julia Roberts is going to make $20 million for making a piece of crap movie with no socially redeeming value, then these guys should get a nice chunk of change as well.

But you're absolutely right. Many of these guys are just not in a mental/emotional state to properly and responsibly handle that kind of money and it seems like the more money they make (or stand to make), the greater the chance they're going to spin out of control and do all sorts of stupid stuff.

You nailed it right here Pencil Neck. The more money you keep giving these guys the higher chance that these guys lose motivation to follow the rules, stay out of jail, and more importantly work hard to maintain the level of athleticism and skills they have to compete at the highest level for the fans. Athletes in all the major sports have been getting their salaries increased for the last 20 years? When does it ever stop or hit a cap?? It has to at some point, or you'll eventually see each sport lose it's competitive edge. I've already seen that happen with the MLB and the NBA in my eyes and hardly watch either of them. I don't want to see that happen with the NFL. MMA is my 2nd favorite sport now and one of the reasons why is because all of the fighters are so hungry and constantly motivated. They don't make even a sample of what top NFL players make though. Even the best of the best don't make that kind of dough. Every league should do it's best to make sure that their athletes are going to have the strongest mental edge and motivation to compete possible, and the more money you keep throwing at the competitors when it starts getting in the Millions, then the more you stand to lose that competitive edge and motivation from your workers.

Lucky
07-17-2011, 06:52 PM
It's not just a few bad apples. It's a ton of players and has been for the last 15 years...
No, it's not a ton of players. There are 51 players on every active roster, 8 on a practice squad, and more than a handful on IR. Over 2000 players, and there's major turnover (300+) every year. Take that many out of the general population (of the same age group) and you will likely find a similar incident %. Being a football player doesn't make them superhuman, or super smart. Just human.

Again, I'm all for a harder line on players who run afoul of the law. That has nothing to do with the rest of the guys who obey the law ability to make money.

Texecutioner
07-17-2011, 07:08 PM
No, it's not a ton of players. There are 51 players on every active roster, 8 on a practice squad, and more than a handful on IR. Over 2000 players, and there's major turnover (300+) every year. Take that many out of the general population (of the same age group) and you will likely find a similar incident %. Being a football player doesn't make them superhuman, or super smart. Just human.

Again, I'm all for a harder line on players who run afoul of the law. That has nothing to do with the rest of the guys who obey the law ability to make money.

Again the league minimum is $350,000 dollars a year. That's enough money to call yourself rich if you make just that per year for a few years and put your money in good investments and spend it wisely like any rational person should in this day and age. There are to many places to get good advice and educated ideas on what to do with money like that in America. The NFL gives every rookie a ton of seminars and all sorts of things that are mandatory before they even enter the league on how to deal with the media, invest your money, and all sorts of things that the average person in America does not get without having to spend thousands of dollars for this kind of stuff that they get for free. And we were just talking about league minimum. Look at the rest of the guys that are making several Millions per year and I'm sorry, but that's a boat load of money for anyone in America to build an easy laid back life with. Are you suggesting that the NFL players aren't making enough money???

Second Honeymoon
07-17-2011, 08:53 PM
the players are paid what the market will bear. i will not fault the players for trying to get money as their careers are short.

but we have knuckleheads like Cedric and PacMan that seem to be a magnet for trouble. didn't Chappell do a skit about 'keeping it real'. These guys don't realize that keeping it real is keeping them in trouble. If your family isn't down for you, don't be down for them. If your friends aren't down for you, don't be down for them. And being down doesn't mean having your back in a fight or not being a snitch. It means trying to support and nurture your family member/friend's career. If that means not going to the hoodrat clubs, then so be it. if that means carrying yourself in a more respectable manner (clothes, manners, vocabulary) then do it.

Its tough for some of these guys though, because they haven't had a lot of role models in their lives and not many in their professional lives either. We need more guys like Jim Brown. Guys that made mistakes but made up for them by recognizing their place in today's culture and being a positive force for positive change.

CloakNNNdagger
07-17-2011, 09:25 PM
It's not just a few bad apples. It's a ton of players and has been for the last 15 years. Arrests were so bad a few years ago when Goodell came in, it was nuts. For everyone that acts like Paul T. was this great commish which he was, neglects the fact that Paul T. was way to lenient on crime amongst players and punishing them. I loved Goodell's strong stance, but just haven't liked his lack of consistency on handing out punishments because he has never carried one strong consistent line of punishments as far as suspensions and fines for repeat offenders.

As far as the money goes, athletes in all the major sports are so way over paid that I could go on and on all day long. They simply are and in the NFL the league minimum is like $350,000 dollars a year and I forgot what the statistics were of players that go broke or bankrupt just a few years out of retirement from the NFL but the stats were astounding and made these guys that have let that happen after so many years of league minimum pay and greater look pathetic in my eyes at how so many of them could be so irresponsible as grown men. Sorry, but I've struggled through all different types of jobs and downfalls just like anyone else and I've never made a salary of over $50,000 and I've worked my ass off, but I've never gone bankrupt, I've bought a house and also lived in very nice places in Houston and lived a pretty nice lifestyle. Managing money isn't difficult. Live amongst your means. If you're buying several houses, jewlery, and cars and throwing it all away in the strip club for years then you're irresponsible. You add all of that to all of these stupid arrests I hear about with guys like Benson, Pac Man, and so many others I think it's a shame these guys get the opportunities they do and screw it all up.

This is the landmark article by Sports Illustrated:

How (and Why) Athletes Go Broke (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153364/1/index.htm)


By the time they have been retired for two years, 78% of former NFL players have gone bankrupt or are under financial stress because of joblessness or divorce.

Within five years of retirement, an estimated 60% of former NBA players are broke.

Numerous retired MLB players have been similarly ruined, and the current economic crisis is taking a toll on some active players as well.

The Wall Street meltdown is only the latest threat to athletes' financial health. "Athletes have a different set of challenges from, say, entertainers," says money manager Michael Seymour, the founder of Philadelphia-based UNI Private Wealth Strategies. "There's a far shorter peak earnings period [in sports] than in any other profession, and in many cases they lack the time and desire to understand and monitor their investments."

Note the disproportionate numbers having come out of the NFL. This article was released in March 2009.........the economy has taken a dive since.........wonder what those numbers would be now.

thunderkyss
07-17-2011, 09:55 PM
It would be great if it were more financially lucrative to go to school and get a degree and work in certain fields than to hit the genetic jackpot and cash in by playing sports. But, that's life.

Because it's not hard work to hone your body to perform at its best.

Anyone can have rock hard abs, 40" verticals, sub 4.5 speed, the ability to shed tackles from 250+ pound men.... all you need to do is hit the genetic jack pot..... don't worry about working out, or dieting, or training, or practice..

thunderkyss
07-17-2011, 10:07 PM
For everyone that acts like Paul T. was this great commish which he was, neglects the fact that Paul T. was way to lenient on crime amongst players and punishing them. I loved Goodell's strong stance, but just haven't liked his lack of consistency on handing out punishments because he has never carried one strong consistent line of punishments as far as suspensions and fines for repeat offenders.


When did the NFL become a branch of law enforcement? Do they carry badges?

IMO, Tagliabauh & Goodell don't need to be punishing anyone. That's overreaching their authority if you ask me. They don't work for Goodell. They work for their respective teams. The teams should be disciplining them if anything.

IMO, that will get the players attention. If Pac-Man Jones is arrested on Tuesday, but plays on Sunday, Goodell (or Tag at the time I think) should have fined the Titans, banned their coach from the team for a week, Penalized their salary cap... something to make these independent organizations take responsibility for their employees.

Same thing for you & me. If I step out of line, I'm not going to hear from my CEO.... I should get an earful from my supervisor. If my Supervisor has several bad apples, then he'll hear from his supervisor.... so on & so forth.

Instead of fining James Harrison.. fine the Steelers. I bet they'll find a way to get him to clean up his play, or not play at all.


As far as the money goes, athletes in all the major sports are so way over paid......

You're overpaid.










Don't like it when someone who doesn't know shit about you tells you you're overpaid do you?

thunderkyss
07-17-2011, 10:10 PM
You nailed it right here Pencil Neck. The more money you keep giving these guys the higher chance that these guys lose motivation to follow the rules, stay out of jail, and more importantly work hard to maintain the level of athleticism and skills they have to compete at the highest level for the fans. ....

How many players enter the league each year?

How many of them end up doing stupid shit?

You ever hear of little man syndrome?

The Pencil Neck
07-17-2011, 10:11 PM
Because it's not hard work to hone your body to perform at its best.

Anyone can have rock hard abs, 40" verticals, sub 4.5 speed, the ability to shed tackles from 250+ pound men.... all you need to do is hit the genetic jack pot..... don't worry about working out, or dieting, or training, or practice..

Dude. Seriously?

Is your counter argument that all you have to do is work out, diet, train, and practice to make it? Are you arguing that anyone who wants to can make it to the NFL even if they have the worst genetics in the world?

I'm a powerlifter and I'm 5' 7" if I stand up straight. And I know that no matter how hard I work, there are some things I will never be able to do. I will never, ever squat 1000 pounds. I will never, ever bench 400 pounds.

I did not hit that genetic jackpot. My rotator cuff is made of tissue paper and my AC joint is made of razors. When I push my bench too hard or too quick, I tear my RC. I spent an entire year of my life not being able to touch the top of my head with my right hand because of that.

Playing football even at the Division I college level was not an option and I was never going to make it to the NFL. No matter how much I loved football or how much I trained or how hard I hit the weights.

There are lots of guys who DID hit the genetic jackpot. Not all of them take advantage of it. Not all of them work hard enough -- be that in the film room, or the weight room, or on the track. The most talented football player of all time probably never got up off his couch to even try to play.

Professional level athletes hit a genetic jackpot. Don't fool yourself into thinking that they didn't. They are tall enough, they are strong enough, they are fast enough, they are durable enough, and they are smart enough. If you're shorter, then you have to be stronger and faster to make up for it. If you're not durable, you'll never make it. If you're not smart, you have to be bigger, faster, and stronger to make up for it. But if you're short and slow, you can forget it.

On top of that, they had the 'want to' and the hunger to go after it.

So don't even try to twist this into something I didn't say.

thunderkyss
07-17-2011, 10:15 PM
running back Cedric Benson was arrested and charged with assault causing bodily injury to a family member early Sunday morning in Central Texas.



Benson

No other details were available from the Travis County sheriff's office regarding the Class A misdemeanor charge. Benson will be a free agent once a new collective-bargaining agreement is in place. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6777620/cincinnati-bengals-cedric-benson-jailed-family-assault-charge

Am I the only one who'll whup a family member's ass if I think they are out of line?

fuk the police.



& I feel sorry for whoever called the poe-poe whenever I get out.

You can call it gangsta if you want, I call it taking up for my moms, my sister, my little brother, my nieces, etc..

thunderkyss
07-17-2011, 10:21 PM
Dude. Seriously?

Is your counter argument that all you have to do is work out, diet, train, and practice to make it? Are you arguing that anyone who wants to can make it to the NFL even if they have the worst genetics in the world?


There are lots of guys who DID hit the genetic jackpot. Not all of them take advantage of it. Not all of them work hard enough -- be that in the film room, or the weight room, or on the track. The most talented football player of all time probably never got up off his couch to even try to play.

On top of that, they had the 'want to' and the hunger to go after it.



That's all I'm saying, it's hard work on top of that genetic jackpot Hundreds of talented players fade out of the NFL as never wases because of that.


So don't even try to twist this into something I didn't say.



It would be great if it were more financially lucrative to go to school and get a degree and work in certain fields than to hit the genetic jackpot and cash in by playing sports. But, that's life.

I'm sorry, I don't know where I got that idea from.

steelbtexan
07-17-2011, 10:25 PM
Well, I guess Kubiak and Smith are to be commended for not out-bidding the Bengals for Cedric Benson.

I'm big enough to admit that I was wrong and they were right.

:clap:

The would've made the playoffs in 2009 if they had signed Benson.

I know this isn't a popular stance on the MB but I dont care about guys with character concerns. Just wins

Alot of fans have fallen for Billionaire BoBBys sales job. I just want a winning team and dont care how we (fans) get one. This isn't Sunday school. I cant believe how some fans would rather have a losing team than have guys with character faws on the team.

CloakNNNdagger
07-17-2011, 10:27 PM
The victim was not a family member. Here is an information update (http://www.wfaa.com/sports/Former-Longhorns-star-Cedric-Benson-arrested-on-assault-count-in-austin-125724363.html).

The incident took place at the corner of 5th Street and Guadalupe. According to the arrest affidavit, the victim a former roommate, Clavens Charles was on his cell phone at 4:45 a.m.

Charles said a "hostile and aggressive" Benson told him they needed to talk about their problems. He then stated the two began to argue, and that's when Benson allegedly punched him in the left side of his face multiple times.

"The two had difficulties resulting from Mr. Benson asking the former male roommate to leave his home a few days prior to this incident," said Benson's lawyer Sam Bassett in a written statement.

Benson has been arrested three other times in the Austin area.

In June 2010, Benson was accused of punching a West 6th Street bar employee.
In May 2008, Lower Colorado River Authority officers charged Benson with boating while intoxicated at Lake Travis.
In June 2008, Benson was arrested in downtown Austin and charged with driving while intoxicated.

Benson still faces a court date next month in connection with last year's bar fight. Two different grand juries declined to indict Benson in the earlier cases.

thunderkyss
07-17-2011, 10:35 PM
The would've made the playoffs in 2009 if they had signed Benson.

I know this isn't a popular stance on the MB but I dont care about guys with character concerns. Just wins

Alot of fans have fallen for Billionaire BoBBys sales job. I just want a winning team and dont care how we (fans) get one. This isn't Sunday school. I cant believe how some fans would rather have a losing team than have guys with character faws on the team.

I wouldn't have had a problem with signing Benson to a one year deal. Or LJ for the remainder of that year. I agree we would have made the play-offs had we done either.


But the thing with the Pac-mans & Cedric Bensons & Chris Henrys... you're paying them a lot of money to be there on Sunday.. you're rolling the dice, they'd just as soon be in jail & you've got to put a guy out there who didn't take many snaps with the first team during the week.

I'm fine with Bob's thang.... plenty of winning teams out there with choir boys.

The Colts.... ok, scratch that one.

The Pats... mmmm scratch them too.

The Jet...

The....


Hold on, I'm going to have to think about this one.

Lucky
07-17-2011, 11:13 PM
If Pac-Man Jones is arrested on Tuesday, but plays on Sunday, Goodell (or Tag at the time I think) should have fined the Titans, banned their coach from the team for a week, Penalized their salary cap... something to make these independent organizations take responsibility for their employees.
Right. What may be the answer is to not bringing the bad apples into the league in the first place. Placing at least some of the responsibility on the organization is likely part of it. Some teams (Bengals) seem to have more than their fair share of bad boys. Hit these teams in the pocketbook, and things could clean up. Still, there will always be some amount bad behavior, just as there is in society. The NFL is part of our culture. They can't escape it entirely.

GP
07-18-2011, 12:54 AM
The would've made the playoffs in 2009 if they had signed Benson.

I know this isn't a popular stance on the MB but I dont care about guys with character concerns. Just wins

Alot of fans have fallen for Billionaire BoBBys sales job. I just want a winning team and dont care how we (fans) get one. This isn't Sunday school. I cant believe how some fans would rather have a losing team than have guys with character faws on the team.

Well, we would have been stuck with a guy who is likely headed to the pokey. And that ain't cool. This guy now has like 3 or 4 altercations on his record now. That's not exactly indicative of a guy "trying to start over," etc. So what's the use of having him if he's just going to PacMan his life away???

I mean, TECHNICALLY...we were trying to land Benson but got outbid by the Bengals. So I can't really give Smithiak a full reprieve on this issue, because had it not been for Bengals outbidding us...he would have been on our team.

I don't think we would have 100% "for sure" made the playoffs with him. That's hindsight stuff. I used to think that, myself, but over time I am beginning to see that one move does not necessarily = playoffs.

I don't even think landing Aso guarantees playoffs. Because our defense could become lights out and our offense regresses. Or Aso could get hurt early. Or any other combination of things might bring us down. Heck, Kubiak is a liability to a degree. So many pitfalls out there.

Benson's done. His decision-making mechanism is flawed beyond repair.

Playoffs
07-18-2011, 01:25 AM
Plaxico got 2 years for shooting himself in the thigh...

Benson ought to get same for shooting himself in the foot???

Showtime100
07-18-2011, 01:28 AM
MLB has lots of examples of guys doing stupid, self-destructive things but it seems much more pronounced in the NFL.


Let me say beforehand I liked your post. Top notch as always. The part above has me wondering a bit, though.

I'll springboard this for you and say I think the destructive behavior in the NFL is more pronounced due to the fact that the transgressions are more pronounced. I'm actually not disagreeing with you here, I just would like a little clarification of your point of view I guess. Thanks. :)

The Pencil Neck
07-18-2011, 03:23 AM
I'm sorry, I don't know where I got that idea from.

Then you're not reading what I wrote and getting what it meant to me.


It would be great if it were more financially lucrative to go to school and get a degree and work in certain fields than to hit the genetic jackpot and cash in by playing sports. But, that's life.


What my quote means to me is that I think that people with the genetic gifts to play sports are able to make a lot more money than they deserve to by playing sports. They are given an opportunity make simply SICK amounts of cash.

I would prefer a society where going to school and getting an education and/or working hard at jobs that contribute to society (medicine, the sciences, teaching, law enforcement, governing, etc.) would set you up to make that sort of money instead of being one of the rare individuals who has freakish athletic ability... that they have to work hard to take advantage of that ability isn't relevant because what they're working at is basically just a diversion. There are a LOT of us who, if we had those gifts, would have worked just as hard as the people who got them.

And I would prefer a society where working hard and contributing to society gave you the opportunity to make that sort of cash instead of having people inherit it and get it without appreciating what went into it. So my feelings aren't just to athletes. It extends to a lot of different places... including entertainment and selling recreational drugs.

But like I said in my original post, that's life. There are people out there who are not that much different than you or me who are making money hand over fist doing things that I wish didn't pay that well: drugs, entertainment, a few sports, etc. But that's our society and that's what our society has placed value on.

The Pencil Neck
07-18-2011, 03:25 AM
Let me say beforehand I liked your post. Top notch as always. The part above has me wondering a bit, though.

I'll springboard this for you and say I think the destructive behavior in the NFL is more pronounced due to the fact that the transgressions are more pronounced. I'm actually not disagreeing with you here, I just would like a little clarification of your point of view I guess. Thanks. :)

And what I'm saying is that I think the transgressions are more pronounced because the money and exposure is more pronounced.

thunderkyss
07-18-2011, 03:54 AM
What my quote means to me is that I think that people with the genetic gifts to play sports are able to make a lot more money than they deserve to by playing sports. They are given an opportunity make simply SICK amounts of cash.

Hey, I'm with you..... screw Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, that Zuckerberg fella, & for that matter, Mark Cuban as well.

Freak'n genetic freaks. Getting paid millions of dollars doing what others would gladly do for free.
...instead of being one of the rare individuals who has freakish athletic ability... that they have to work hard to take advantage of that ability isn't relevant because what they're working at is basically just a diversion.

First it is relevant, because you know there are equally talented people who couldn't get out of their own way, or get off their ass.

It's hard work to be the best of the best...

Second, that's not a diversion, my 9-5 is the diversion. Like you said, that's life. I work so I can spend time with my wife & kids doing something we enjoy. Watching those freakish athletes just happens to be one of those things.

If it weren't for them working as hard as they do we would be ignoring the NFL the way we ignore the CFL, NFL Europe, & the XFL.



And I would prefer a society where working hard and contributing to society gave you the opportunity to make that sort of cash instead of having people inherit it and get it without appreciating what went into it. So my feelings aren't just to athletes. It extends to a lot of different places... including entertainment and selling recreational drugs.

But like I said in my original post, that's life. There are people out there who are not that much different than you or me who are making money hand over fist doing things that I wish didn't pay that well: drugs, entertainment, a few sports, etc. But that's our society and that's what our society has placed value on.

I really get what you're saying.

I'm just pushing your buttons.

TimeKiller
07-18-2011, 09:00 AM
For Benson....damn. What a dumb dumb. Say all you want about Bob's choir boys they never do get into newspapers for punching people unless it was directly on the field (Innegan!).....

As for genetics, I certainly would've had a better shot to play sports if I weren't a 5'11'' 175 lb. white guy. I might be able to kick David Anderson's ass but running through a trench of 10 or so nearly 300 pound guys so that one or more of them can jump on me? I mean for millions of dollars I would do it but....still waiting on that contract to back itself up to my front door.

IDEXAN
07-18-2011, 09:11 AM
I thought this was the sort of thing that 21 year old college "kids" might do a few days before the annual NFL Draft, but this guy is like 28 and just days before he becomes a free agent, before he gets "paid", and he does this.

steelbtexan
07-18-2011, 10:52 AM
Well, we would have been stuck with a guy who is likely headed to the pokey. And that ain't cool. This guy now has like 3 or 4 altercations on his record now. That's not exactly indicative of a guy "trying to start over," etc. So what's the use of having him if he's just going to PacMan his life away???

I mean, TECHNICALLY...we were trying to land Benson but got outbid by the Bengals. So I can't really give Smithiak a full reprieve on this issue, because had it not been for Bengals outbidding us...he would have been on our team.

I don't think we would have 100% "for sure" made the playoffs with him. That's hindsight stuff. I used to think that, myself, but over time I am beginning to see that one move does not necessarily = playoffs.

I don't even think landing Aso guarantees playoffs. Because our defense could become lights out and our offense regresses. Or Aso could get hurt early. Or any other combination of things might bring us down. Heck, Kubiak is a liability to a degree. So many pitfalls out there.

Benson's done. His decision-making mechanism is flawed beyond repair.

Benson is a turd.

I called for the Texans to sign him after the Bears cut him. Many on the MB also posted the same thing. TK even called for a Larry Johnson signing.

So it isn't really hindsight. Think about in 2009 the Texans were literally 2 yds from making the playoffs. Arizona/Jags game (Thanks C.Brown/K.Brown) I believe Benson would've gotten those 2 yds.

drs23
07-18-2011, 10:53 AM
I thought this was the sort of thing that 21 year old college "kids" might do a few days before the annual NFL Draft, but this guy is like 28 and just days before he becomes a free agent, before he gets "paid", and he does this.

What makes you think he was going to get "paid"? Isn't he a little long in the tooth for NFL running backs? I didn't see a bidding war on the horizon.

Is that just me??

The Pencil Neck
07-18-2011, 10:59 AM
Hey, I'm with you..... screw Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, that Zuckerberg fella, & for that matter, Mark Cuban as well.

Freak'n genetic freaks. Getting paid millions of dollars doing what others would gladly do for free.


I know you're trying to go all Johnathon Swift on my and use hyperbole to make fun of my position, but this isn't as far off as you think it is from my belief on this.

I think you read my saying "cashing in" as meaning that they got the money without having to work for it. And that's not the case. Even if you have the winning lottery ticket, you've got to get up off your ass and cash it in.

The world, and every society in the world, are fundamentally broken in my estimation.

People, like athletes and entertainers, are paid money disproportionately to what I feel they contribute to society. But the same thing can be said of business executives. Mark Cuban cashed in on a .com jackpot. Bill Gates got extremely lucky; if one guy had said "yes, I'll make your OS" to IBM, you would never have heard of Bill Gates and Bill Gates sent IBM to talk to that one guy first. And if Gates hadn't cashed in that opportunity, someone else would have.

I don't begrudge any of those guys the fact that they had an opportunity to make some money and they took it. Same with athletes. They had an opportunity and they made their money; more power to them.

One company that I know of is probably going to lay off 30% of their workforce and keep a $12 million dollar executive who's been running the company into the ground with his bad decisions. He's making his money; go him.

People like firemen, police officers, doctors, and teachers provide a much greater benefit to our society than entertainers and executives do. And they could provide much better service if those sorts of jobs were paid more and attracted more people. Think about how much better your life would be if half of Bill Gates' current earnings were re-directed into improving our highways or our telephone systems or donated to medical research.

But that's life. That's human society and it's not going to change. I'm not worried about it or anything. I don't begrudge anyone who's gotten an opportunity and cashed in on it. It doesn't bother me too much that people like Britney Spears make tons of money while guitarists like Steve Morse and Alan Holdsworth don't; that's just the way it is and it's not going to change. If I was in their position, I hope I'd be cashing in on it, too.


First it is relevant, because you know there are equally talented people who couldn't get out of their own way, or get off their ass.

It's hard work to be the best of the best...

Second, that's not a diversion, my 9-5 is the diversion. Like you said, that's life. I work so I can spend time with my wife & kids doing something we enjoy. Watching those freakish athletes just happens to be one of those things.

If it weren't for them working as hard as they do we would be ignoring the NFL the way we ignore the CFL, NFL Europe, & the XFL.

I really get what you're saying.

I'm just pushing your buttons.

You're only pushing my buttons if you're upsetting me. I'm not upset about this.

I love football. I think it's great.

But during the offseason, I can find plenty of things to do to entertain myself and if there were no football, my life wouldn't be radically different. The service they perform is not something I consider essential. Policemen, Firemen, Doctors, and Teachers... those things are essential.

Hervoyel
07-18-2011, 01:47 PM
Benson is a turd.

I called for the Texans to sign him after the Bears cut him. Many on the MB also posted the same thing. TK even called for a Larry Johnson signing.

So it isn't really hindsight. Think about in 2009 the Texans were literally 2 yds from making the playoffs. Arizona/Jags game (Thanks C.Brown/K.Brown) I believe Benson would've gotten those 2 yds.


I did too and I still would have looking back. So he turned out not to be a "keeper". Big deal. Like TK said, you roll the dice. Well, at least most teams do. I'm not sure sometimes if the Texans even own a pair of dice. Maybe the do but only break them out come draft time. I don't know. The point is how screwed are the Bengals? Benson gave them a couple of good years and eventually showed his ass and proved that he hadn't learned anything after all. Can they not sign another free agent running back? Have they stopped drafting backs to develop since Benson arrived? Of course not. They'll survive this with minimal fuss just like we would have.

Only we'd have more than likely seen the playoffs in 2009 and that would have made our little dalliance with Benson worth it.

Texecutioner
07-18-2011, 02:33 PM
When did the NFL become a branch of law enforcement? Do they carry badges?

They're a business and they protect their image just like anything else. Common sense.

IMO, Tagliabauh & Goodell don't need to be punishing anyone. That's overreaching their authority if you ask me. They don't work for Goodell. They work for their respective teams. The teams should be disciplining them if anything.

Kudos to both of them for having standards. Well at least to Goodell for wanting to take care of the problem or at least trying. I know you like to defend criminals every chance you get, but some of us don't care to applaud Millionaires who get arrested every other day when we're supporting them initially and making them superstar celebrities. Playing a professional sport that nets your hundreds of thousands of dollars and Millions of dollars is a privlidge. The minute you start calling it a right, you're wrong. You have the right to persue a career in the NFL, but it's a privlidge to have to have that as a career and if you don't realize that and take it for granted, then join the long line of guys who either got suspended so many times that their games fell off or the guys that didn't take it seriously and flame out of the league after while that are wondering around broke making pennies just for telling their testimony stories about how they never took their football careers seriously and will live the rest of their lives regretting it and how they blew it.




IMO, that will get the players attention. If Pac-Man Jones is arrested on Tuesday, but plays on Sunday, Goodell (or Tag at the time I think) should have fined the Titans, banned their coach from the team for a week, Penalized their salary cap... something to make these independent organizations take responsibility for their employees.

That doesn't work when you have guys like Jerry Jones and Mike Brown as owners of the league. Other owners would be forced to comply with that type of way of handling their players as well just to compete. That would be a slippery slope that would make the league look really bad if no teams around the league cared about the conduct of it's players.



Same thing for you & me. If I step out of line, I'm not going to hear from my CEO.... I should get an earful from my supervisor. If my Supervisor has several bad apples, then he'll hear from his supervisor.... so on & so forth.

I don't know what company you work for and I don't really care either. If a CEO wants to talk to any employee about something that has happened, he/she will and you as an employee would have nothing you could say about it. This really has nothing to do with what we're talking about though.








You're overpaid.


Don't like it when someone who doesn't know shit about you tells you you're overpaid do you?


This is non responsive. If you know everything about my job and it's on display on tv every week and details all about my lifestyle and what I'm being paid is out there for you and everyone else to see, well then yeah you might be in a decent position to have an opinion on whether I'm overpaid or not. Until I'm on tv and every aspect of my job is put on display, then you can make a comparison of my job to an NFL player. Until then this is a ridiculous question to even ask.

thunderkyss
07-18-2011, 11:10 PM
That doesn't work when you have guys like Jerry Jones and Mike Brown as owners of the league. Other owners would be forced to comply with that type of way of handling their players as well just to compete. That would be a slippery slope that would make the league look really bad if no teams around the league cared about the conduct of it's players.





I don't know what company you work for and I don't really care either. If a CEO wants to talk to any employee about something that has happened, he/she will and you as an employee would have nothing you could say about it. This really has nothing to do with what we're talking about though.











This is non responsive. If you know everything about my job and it's on display on tv every week and details all about my lifestyle and what I'm being paid is out there for you and everyone else to see, well then yeah you might be in a decent position to have an opinion on whether I'm overpaid or not. Until I'm on tv and every aspect of my job is put on display, then you can make a comparison of my job to an NFL player. Until then this is a ridiculous question to even ask.

Now I'm sure you have a reading comprehension problem.

Try sylvan. They've had good success with people like you.

Texecutioner
07-19-2011, 12:09 PM
Now I'm sure you have a reading comprehension problem.

Try sylvan. They've had good success with people like you.

I don't know why anyone would expect an informative response from you at this point honestly. Why I even wasted my time responding to your drivel and stupidity was my mistake in the first place.