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thunderkyss
07-15-2011, 11:49 PM
So,

Who are your top ten RBs for 2011?

Lucky
07-16-2011, 12:32 AM
1) Arian Foster - He's complete. He plays in a top offense. And he was head and shoulders the best fantasy RB in 2010. What's changed?
2) Adrian Peterson - I'm concerned about the lack of a passing game to take the pressure off of Peterson. Still, he's good for 1300+ yds and 15 TDs.
3) Chris Johnson - He's had results without a passing game to back him up. I'm worried about an extended holdout, more than anything.
4) Peyton Hillis - I think the Browns will have more scoring opportunities in 2011, and that means more TDs for Hillis.
5) Jamaal Charles - He had a monster 2010, but he doesn't get the red zone touches.
6) Maurice Jones-Drew - Is MJD beginning to wear down? The Jags need to limit his touches.
7) Michael Turner - If he were a 3 down back, I'd rank him much higher.
8) Rashard Mendenhall - Solid, but not flashy.
9) Matt Forte - A safe pick, good for 1500+ total yards and 10 TDs.
10) Ray Rice - Will the Ravens finally give Rice some red zone touches? If so, I would put Rice 3 or 4 spots higher.

dc_txtech
07-19-2011, 01:00 PM
1. Foster
2. Peterson
3. Johnson
4. MJD
5. Charles
6. Mendenhall
7. MCcoy
8. Hillis
9. Turner
10. Rice

Dutchrudder
07-19-2011, 02:20 PM
Too early to evaluate them. Need to see what happens in free agency. If Leach leaves the Texans, I'd drop Foster to the bottom of the top 10.

dc_txtech
07-19-2011, 04:05 PM
Too early to evaluate them. Need to see what happens in free agency. If Leach leaves the Texans, I'd drop Foster to the bottom of the top 10.

True, I'm sure my top ten will change drastically by the time my draft comes around. Hell, it's changed in the couple of hours since I wrote it.

Still fun to think about.

Texecutioner
07-19-2011, 06:00 PM
Too early to evaluate them. Need to see what happens in free agency. If Leach leaves the Texans, I'd drop Foster to the bottom of the top 10.

You're right that it's to early, but you could still do one for these current circumstances. Might be interesting to see how things change.

I'll make mine later as I don't have the time.

I disagree that Leach being gone would put Foster at the bottom of the top ten. You have to remember that the Texans could possibly end up with a guy that's pretty effective to replace him. I think you'd need to see at least one season without Leach to think him being gone with impact Foster's production that much. I think that a healthy Ben Tate will effect Foster's production more than anything if Tate ends up being pretty good and that would be a good thing.

Allstar
07-19-2011, 07:23 PM
If the Texans are in the red zone, you can bet your bottom dollar that Foster is getting the ball. He will get TDs.

thunderkyss
07-22-2011, 08:06 PM
I see Foster is number one on some of your lists.

Some sites has Jamaal Charles #1.

How much does last seasons' production play in your current rankings?

How much is based on factors such as talent, OL, coaching?

Does anyone think Foster or Charles is as talented, or more talented than Peterson & Johnson?

Texecutioner
07-22-2011, 08:32 PM
I see Foster is number one on some of your lists.

Some sites has Jamaal Charles #1.

How much does last seasons' production play in your current rankings?

How much is based on factors such as talent, OL, coaching?

Does anyone think Foster or Charles is as talented, or more talented than Peterson & Johnson?

I think that Charles and Chris Johnson are equally as talented. They are the same type of runners.

I think Peterson is better than Foster, since AP has done it longer and has been that guy for years now. However, he hasn't seemed quite as dominant in the last two years when I watched him in games. Foster looked a little bit better in my eyes by watching him last season and the Texans didn't exactly have the best O line in the league either. I don't think that Foster will be a one year wonder like Slaton was. He isn't flashy, but he sees the holes extremely well and is very sturdy. He might possibly surpass AP by the end of this season if he can duplicate what he did last year.

Over all if I had to pick one RB out of all of these right now I'm taking Charles though. He's the ultimate HR hitter to me with the ball in space. When you hear most of the players around the league talk though, the majority seems to think that AP is the best guy period. From a FF standpoint, I think that Foster is the best choice because of the offense he plays in. Don't sleep on Lesean McCoy though for next season.

Dutchrudder
07-25-2011, 01:44 PM
True, I'm sure my top ten will change drastically by the time my draft comes around. Hell, it's changed in the couple of hours since I wrote it.

Still fun to think about.

You're right that it's to early, but you could still do one for these current circumstances. Might be interesting to see how things change.

I'll make mine later as I don't have the time.

I disagree that Leach being gone would put Foster at the bottom of the top ten. You have to remember that the Texans could possibly end up with a guy that's pretty effective to replace him. I think you'd need to see at least one season without Leach to think him being gone with impact Foster's production that much. I think that a healthy Ben Tate will effect Foster's production more than anything if Tate ends up being pretty good and that would be a good thing.

I can agree with the sentiment, but when I study for fantasy football, I don't just sit around and think about what these guys will do. I'll take into account how the team's chemistry will change with the addition of new players (Falcons getting #2 WR = less rushes), loss of players (LEACH!!!), change in offensive schemes or OCs (Browns' Hillis should have an average year), injury potential and defensive strength of schedule. It's just a lot of work to go through for something that I won't really begin until rosters are set for the most part.

So here's my 'half-hearted' list of RBs as it stands now:

1. AP (Run-first team with rookie QB)
2. CJ (Run-first team with rookie QB)
3. Charles (Matt Cassel will continue to suck)
4. McCoy (LeSean coupled with Vick opens up a lot of field for him to run)
5. Foster (I think he will see quite a few less carries, and Ward and Tate should get more carries for the Three Headed Monster known as "The Tardster")
6. Rice (Flacco's not a great QB, but he gets the ball to Rice a lot because of that. Rice ought to be top 5 RB in PPR leagues)
7. Mendenhall (Seems about right for him, slight improvement from last year)
8. MJD (I have trouble putting him here, I think he starts to break down in 2011)
9. Steven Jackson (Still waiting for this guy to fall apart, but he's a solid 8-12 RB each year)
10. Matt Forte (Should have remarkable improvement behind new O-line draftees. Had great averages last year, but not enough attempts)

b0ng
08-03-2011, 10:16 AM
Mojo is way too low on most of these lists. You know he's going to get at least 300+ carries this season unless he is dead and he is a great pass catching threat too (if you are playing in a PPR league he's going to be #1 with probably Arian being #2).

Rey
08-03-2011, 10:35 AM
I can agree with the sentiment, but when I study for fantasy football, I don't just sit around and think about what these guys will do. I'll take into account how the team's chemistry will change with the addition of new players (Falcons getting #2 WR = less rushes), loss of players (LEACH!!!), change in offensive schemes or OCs (Browns' Hillis should have an average year), injury potential and defensive strength of schedule. It's just a lot of work to go through for something that I won't really begin until rosters are set for the most part.

So here's my 'half-hearted' list of RBs as it stands now:

1. AP (Run-first team with rookie QB)
2. CJ (Run-first team with rookie QB)
3. Charles (Matt Cassel will continue to suck)
4. McCoy (LeSean coupled with Vick opens up a lot of field for him to run)
5. Foster (I think he will see quite a few less carries, and Ward and Tate should get more carries for the Three Headed Monster known as "The Tardster")
6. Rice (Flacco's not a great QB, but he gets the ball to Rice a lot because of that. Rice ought to be top 5 RB in PPR leagues)
7. Mendenhall (Seems about right for him, slight improvement from last year)
8. MJD (I have trouble putting him here, I think he starts to break down in 2011)
9. Steven Jackson (Still waiting for this guy to fall apart, but he's a solid 8-12 RB each year)
10. Matt Forte (Should have remarkable improvement behind new O-line draftees. Had great averages last year, but not enough attempts)

Are you saying mcnabb won't start in minny?

El Tejano
08-03-2011, 10:58 AM
I will continue to go with Steven Jackson until he proves to me he is no longer the man. Gets me in the playoffs every year.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 11:11 AM
I will continue to go with Steven Jackson until he proves to me he is no longer the man. Gets me in the playoffs every year.

The Rams signed somebody thats pretty good to go with SJax, I can't remember who it is now.

dc_txtech
08-03-2011, 11:13 AM
Mojo is way too low on most of these lists. You know he's going to get at least 300+ carries this season unless he is dead and he is a great pass catching threat too (if you are playing in a PPR league he's going to be #1 with probably Arian being #2).

He's never been #1 in his career, I doubt if he does it now coming off back to back 300 carry seasons.

I think MJD is a hell of back but I also think there are better choices in the top 5.

dc_txtech
08-03-2011, 11:15 AM
Are you saying mcnabb won't start in minny?

I believe that was written before Mcnabb signed with the Vikings.

Dutchrudder
08-03-2011, 11:36 AM
Are you saying mcnabb won't start in minny?

I wrote that before the trade went down. I still don't think they do much passing with their terrible WRs. Percy Harvin is the #1 there? Bleh. Watch for Peterson to have the best season of his career.

thunderkyss
08-19-2011, 04:40 PM
What would yall say if someone picked Michael Turner with the #2 pick in the draft?

Dutchrudder
08-19-2011, 05:03 PM
What would yall say if someone picked Michael Turner with the #2 pick in the draft?

I would say they are a HUGE Falcons fan, or a huge dumbass. If I had the #3 pick, I would encourage them to stick with their gut instincts in the future.

thunderkyss
08-19-2011, 05:09 PM
I would say they are a HUGE Falcons fan, or a huge dumbass. If I had the #3 pick, I would encourage them to stick with their gut instincts in the future.

:ouch:

:embarrass:


:backsout:

Ckw
08-19-2011, 05:17 PM
I'm curious what some of the fantasy gurus think about two guys:

Maurice Jones-Drew
Steven Jackson

Dutchrudder
08-19-2011, 05:20 PM
:ouch:

:embarrass:


:backsout:

Sorry to be harsh, but Foster and Peterson are 1a and 1b in my book. Can't imagine passing on either of them for another RB, especially in PPR leagues, which is all I play. He's about the #7-8 RB on my list.

The Pencil Neck
08-19-2011, 05:24 PM
What would yall say if someone picked Michael Turner with the #2 pick in the draft?

You know, my initial reaction was "Are you serious? Michael Turner?"

But the more I think about it, the better he actually sounds as a high pick. I wouldn't have a problem with him as the #2 guy although I think it will probably raise some eyebrows.

BetaV1
08-19-2011, 06:19 PM
1. Adrian Peterson
2. Chris Johnson
3. Jamaal Charles
4. Arian Foster
5. Ray Rice
6. Maurice Jones-Drew
7. Darren McFadden
8. Rashard Mendenhall
9. LeSean McCoy
10. Matt Forte

The bottom half could of this list is completely interchangeable. I'm real high on McFadden and think a lot of people are overlooking him, which is great for auction leagues. In snake drafts, I've seen him go as early as 5th overall and as late as the end of the 3rd round. He can usually be had in the early second. If he's there, I say grab him.

Now, most people feel the top four RB's (at least, the general consensus of such) is interchangeable as well. This is a fatal mistake, I say. If you have the first four picks overall, you need to play it smart and play it safe. Don't reach; you'll have plenty of other rounds to do that.

Adrian Peterson gets my vote as the absolute safest pick in any draft, and why wouldn't he? The guy has proven he can produce top numbers regardless of the offensive philosophy the Vikings go in. More important, he's been a 1,000+ yard rusher for the past four years that he's been in the league and no one is there to contest him for carries. This year, they seem to want to revert back to the run: all the more reason to take All Day. He's #1.

Chris Johnson, Jamaal Charles, and Arian Foster are next in line. I'm sure a lot of people here will facepalm at the though of Foster fourth overall, but again, in the top four picks, you need to play it safe rather than shoot for what seems to be the sexy pick of the year. Of the three, I don't think there's any question that Chris Johnson has proven that he too can carry your team. Also, much like AP, there is no question who will be carrying the rock 99% of the time. He's been a 1,000+ yard rusher for every year he's been in the league too (3). He's a safe pick and the uncontested #2.

Jamaal Charles and Aaron Foster now fall into the category of some risk. Sure, they've both put up top numbers last year (and Charles the year before as well), but honestly we still aren't sure what we have in Arian. The Texans may want to go to a running back-by-committee approach. Granted, the Chiefs do this as well, but at this point, we know what we're going to get out of Charles. Arian's performance last year will be hard to reproduce, and while he likely will have another great season, we aren't sure just "how great" it'll be. This is why I have Charles rated above Foster.

While Ray Rice also fits my bill for a "safe first round pick," his yards per touch are significantly lower than the others. He does, however, make up for by getting more touches than the other players. The addition of Leach also helps his case. You should be totally comfortable if you have to "settle" for Rice at #5, especially in PPR leagues.

thunderkyss
08-19-2011, 09:30 PM
You know, my initial reaction was "Are you serious? Michael Turner?"

But the more I think about it, the better he actually sounds as a high pick. I wouldn't have a problem with him as the #2 guy although I think it will probably raise some eyebrows.

I took Arian Foster.

Couldn't pass him up, I thought the other guy would take him with the #1 over all.

Foster
Hillis
Gore
Matthews
Spiller

I got CJ Spiller in the 9th... what do you think about that?

Dutchrudder
08-20-2011, 01:21 AM
I took Arian Foster.

Couldn't pass him up, I thought the other guy would take him with the #1 over all.

Foster
Hillis
Gore
Matthews
Spiller

I got CJ Spiller in the 9th... what do you think about that?


That's a pretty good stable of RBs, but I'm avoiding Ryan Matthews. I think he's going to be injury prone his whole career.

Ckw
08-20-2011, 02:30 AM
I took Arian Foster.

Couldn't pass him up, I thought the other guy would take him with the #1 over all.

Foster
Hillis
Gore
Matthews
Spiller

I got CJ Spiller in the 9th... what do you think about that?

How in the hell did you get Foster, Hillis, & Gore?!? Did you draft RBs in the first 3 rounds or are you playing with idiots? Foster is unquestionably a top 5 back, Gore is at worst a 2nd round pick, and Hillis is at worse a 4th round pick.

thunderkyss
08-20-2011, 08:54 AM
How in the hell did you get Foster, Hillis, & Gore?!? Did you draft RBs in the first 3 rounds or are you playing with idiots? Foster is unquestionably a top 5 back, Gore is at worst a 2nd round pick, and Hillis is at worse a 4th round pick.
I dont understand it either. We run a snake draft, & I couldn't believe Hillis was still there with my second pick (18th) so I took him. 3 picks later I took Gore. I wasn't ready to take a QB & they had a run on WR between my first & second picks.

I ended up with

Dez Bryant
Ocho Conco
Plaxico Burress
Michael Crabtree
Louis Murphy
Mohamed Massoquai

BetaV1
08-20-2011, 01:45 PM
I've usually seen the opposite of thunder's situation: Frank goes 2nd round, Hillis goes 3rd. Hillis strikes me as a big time bust. If there's in the 3rd, yeah, I'll grab him, but no sooner. Frank Gore is getting up there in age and whatnot, but he's still a lock for a smidge over 1,000 yards and a few touchdowns each year.

Your wide receiving core is stable enough. You have a lock with Dez Bryant. Ocho Cinco and Plaxico Burress provide plenty of boom potential, and one of them will pay off.

Who are your quarterbacks and defenses?

thunderkyss
08-20-2011, 05:55 PM
I've usually seen the opposite of thunder's situation: Frank goes 2nd round, Hillis goes 3rd. Hillis strikes me as a big time bust. If there's in the 3rd, yeah, I'll grab him, but no sooner. Frank Gore is getting up there in age and whatnot, but he's still a lock for a smidge over 1,000 yards and a few touchdowns each year.

Your wide receiving core is stable enough. You have a lock with Dez Bryant. Ocho Cinco and Plaxico Burress provide plenty of boom potential, and one of them will pay off.

Who are your quarterbacks and defenses?

I thought most of the good WRs were gone by the time I took Ocho (5) & Buress (8th), Like you're saying, I think one of them will explode & pay off.

I've got Cutler & McNabb as my QBs.... I think Cutler might not be a lock, but he'll at least keep me competitive. McNabb is hurting for receivers, but he's done well in that situation before (Philly). I'm hoping he has a bounce back season.

I've got one kicker & one defense, Tynes & Pittsburgh. I don't really value kickers, so I don't pick a backup. I'll play Tynes until week 7, his bye week, then drop him & pick up another.

Pittsburgh D.. I've got till week 11 before I need another, so they'll pretty much be a lock to start till then.

BetaV1
08-20-2011, 09:53 PM
Not a bad team. Cutler is sufficient as you've said. McNabb is a huge gamble. He'll likely have a better year than last year, but considering how bad he was last year, that's not saying a lot.

Kickers aren't that big a deal as you've said. Defenses, however, are very underrated in fantasy football and are often grossly overlooked. There are plenty of weeks where a defense is in the top five of total points scored. You got a good one in Pittsburgh. If there's another decent defense out there, I'd pick them up now just to keep someone else from getting it.

Overall, it sounds like you have a good shot at making the playoffs. Cutler is clearly the weak link, but eh, could be worse.

By the way, how many teams are in this league?

thunderkyss
08-20-2011, 11:14 PM
Ten.

Dutchrudder
08-21-2011, 09:11 PM
Are Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford available on the wire? Both may be good sleepers this year and I would take Colt over McNabb.