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Tailgate
07-15-2011, 10:04 AM
I have done a search and couldn't find anything relevant. So it looks as though there is now a tentative agreement for the 2011 cap to be 120 million. Any idea where the Texans stand currently with cap room, and what kind of impact would this new cap have on our current situation?

In the Bullseye doesn't show anything past 2010.
http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap2010.html

I know it may be tough to forecast. But was hoping to have some discussion as to what type of flexibility we may have if/when FA begins. Who we may cut, who we go after, estimated budget, etc...

XI CMURDER IX
07-15-2011, 10:11 AM
I have done a search and couldn't find anything relevant. So it looks as though there is now a tentative agreement for the 2011 cap to be 120 million. Any idea where the Texans stand currently with cap room, and what kind of impact would this new cap have on our current situation?

In the Bullseye doesn't show anything past 2010.
http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap2010.html

So was hoping to have some discussion as to what type of flexibility we may have if/when FA begins.

2010 was last year, so it would only go up to that year. Once the 2011 season ends it should update to show it then. I would say we have about $25 to $30 million dollars available to resign and spend on free agents. I think that offers use a little flexibility, but we can't afford to break the bank on one player while we have so many needs. *Nmandi cough cough*

Tailgate
07-15-2011, 10:14 AM
2010 was last year, so it would only go up to that year. Once the 2011 season ends it should update to show it then. I would say we have about $25 to $30 million dollars available to resign and spend on free agents. I think that offers use a little flexibility, but we can't afford to break the bank on one player while we have so many needs. *Nmandi cough cough*

Hmmm..... For example, the past data was posted in Jan 2010. So wouldn't that be adjusted for salary increases from 2009 season to 2010 season? Meaning, wouldnt those 2010 numbers have changed come this season and be different already from what is shown for 2010? Honest question.

Tailgate
07-15-2011, 10:24 AM
Found this:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures

Not sure how accurate it is...

- Houston $118.4 million


And some pretty good info from Clayton regarding the new cap and details. Seems rather complicated:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6768521/nfl-lockout-owners-players-moving-towards-cba-settlement-source-says?campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Jason LaCanfora reports:
NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora has the cap at close to $123 million with exceptions that will make it "feel" like $130 million.
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/7/15/2276920/nfl-lockout-salary-cap-raiders

XI CMURDER IX
07-15-2011, 12:45 PM
To be honest I really don't know? I think I read an article way earlier on ESPN right after the draft talking about the team salaries. If it is $118 million, then we might have a problem.

EDIT: The $118 million dollars is for the players under contract for the 2010 season. So whoever we didn't resign or released will give us the new number.

badboy
07-15-2011, 01:54 PM
To be honest I really don't know? I think I read an article way earlier on ESPN right after the draft talking about the team salaries. If it is $118 million, then we might have a problem.

EDIT: The $118 million dollars is for the players under contract for the 2010 season. So whoever we didn't resign or released will give us the new number.The only # I found was $118 m but Pollard , Leinert and Orslovksy were still on it. I think it is about $90m but we would need to sign our own guys like Foster, R. Butler, etc + draft picks.

Not sure about your comment earlier about Asomugha and "other needs"? If he is #1 Cb we immediately do not have a priority need at safety. We can cut other back ups to create space if we can get a good player to strengthen team.

badboy
07-15-2011, 02:05 PM
http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Houston-Texans-Salaries
http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap.html (2009)
This gives player contracts:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/

Have to sign up for this but pretty accurate info for 2010
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=5419521&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d5419521

badboy
07-15-2011, 02:07 PM
another showing Texans @ $108.5m in 2010

Dutchrudder
07-15-2011, 02:40 PM
I think it's safe to say the new rookies will take up 7 million in cap space. So add that to any figures you get. Also, I'm pretty sure Demecos contract will reduce in cap quite a bit this year, but I don't know the exact number. He was paid a huge bonus last year.

Hervoyel
07-15-2011, 04:23 PM
2010 was last year, so it would only go up to that year. Once the 2011 season ends it should update to show it then. I would say we have about $25 to $30 million dollars available to resign and spend on free agents. I think that offers use a little flexibility, but we can't afford to break the bank on one player while we have so many needs. *Nmandi cough cough*

And yet someone else who probably also can't afford to be signing Asomugha will in fact sign him and then they'll sign their draft picks too. They'll somehow make it through the season able to sign street free agents as needed and next year be able to pick up a free agent or two without any trouble.

Lucky
07-15-2011, 05:46 PM
2010 was last year, so it would only go up to that year. Once the 2011 season ends it should update to show it then. I would say we have about $25 to $30 million dollars available to resign and spend on free agents. I think that offers use a little flexibility, but we can't afford to break the bank on one player while we have so many needs. *Nmandi cough cough*
The cap hit on a signing bonus will surely still be able to spread out over the length of the contract. It shouldn't keep the Texans (or any team not in cap trouble) from making a run at Asomugha.
And yet someone else who probably also can't afford to be signing Asomugha will in fact sign him and then they'll sign their draft picks too. They'll somehow make it through the season able to sign street free agents as needed and next year be able to pick up a free agent or two without any trouble.
Losers say "can't". Or "won't go crazy". After 9 years of staying home for the playoffs, it's time to get a little crazy.

ATXtexanfan
07-15-2011, 06:15 PM
just heard tampa has a way to go to hit cap floor, could throw it all at asomugha

Allstar
07-15-2011, 06:32 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about the salary cap. If we want to spend money on Aso or whoever, we can. From what I gathered from Jason La Canfora,There is not gonna be any mechanism that prevents teams from spending over the cap. You can give a guy a $30 million signing bonus pro-rated over 5 years, that cap charge is only 6 million, but you're spending $30 million in that calendar year. There are things you can do to make it work.

The only issue that has surfaced is for teams that have to start spending, not the teams that spend too much. You have to spend 90% of the cap. So now teams like Tampa Bay have to spend big bucks. I would be concerned that this would force you to make decisions that you wouldn't have otherwise. If you are required to spend X more million dollars, you might end up signing some mediocre player and hurting your team just to meet the minimum cap requirement.

badboy
07-15-2011, 10:33 PM
just heard tampa has a way to go to hit cap floor, could throw it all at asomughaok, butr why would he go there?

Lucky
07-15-2011, 10:38 PM
ok, butr why would he go there?
Tampa is an emerging team (10-6 last year) with a young roster. And like Texas, Florida has no state income tax. Oh, and a lot of $$$$$$$$.

Why would Asomugha come to Houston? No state income tax and a lot of $$$$$$$$. And maybe a few more $$$.

badboy
07-15-2011, 10:49 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about the salary cap. If we want to spend money on Aso or whoever, we can. From what I gathered from Jason La Canfora,There is not gonna be any mechanism that prevents teams from spending over the cap. You can give a guy a $30 million signing bonus pro-rated over 5 years, that cap charge is only 6 million, but you're spending $30 million in that calendar year. There are things you can do to make it work.

The only issue that has surfaced is for teams that have to start spending, not the teams that spend too much. You have to spend 90% of the cap. So now teams like Tampa Bay have to spend big bucks. I would be concerned that this would force you to make decisions that you wouldn't have otherwise. If you are required to spend X more million dollars, you might end up signing some mediocre player and hurting your team just to meet the minimum cap requirement.Yeah but Texans have signed some of those pre Smith (& the cap expert they hired from NFL) & it took some years to clear up the dead money. We have in a very insignificant amount of dead $ left. I think that most of those teams forced to spend the 90% are the teams that draft high every year so I am not worried about exceptional players going there although you wlil always have a Hainesworth going to Washington for crazy bucks.

badboy
07-15-2011, 10:54 PM
Tampa is an emerging team (10-6 last year) with a young roster. And like Texas, Florida has no state income tax. Oh, and a lot of $$$$$$$$.

Why would Asomugha come to Houston? No state income tax and a lot of $$$$$$$$. And maybe a few more $$$.+ #1 RB in NFL + best WR in NFL + a highly rated QB and offense + outstanding DC in Phillips+ moving Mario & replacing his spot on line with very good first round selection a 5-2 defense that will attack the QB and corners love that.

Do you really like TB over Texans?

Lucky
07-16-2011, 12:17 AM
Do you really like TB over Texans?
Do I? I like their head coach a lot more. And the Bucs were a better team in 2010 than the Texans. Fact. So, why is it a stretch for Asomugha to sign in Tampa over Houston?

XI CMURDER IX
07-16-2011, 11:01 AM
The only # I found was $118 m but Pollard , Leinert and Orslovksy were still on it. I think it is about $90m but we would need to sign our own guys like Foster, R. Butler, etc + draft picks.

Not sure about your comment earlier about Asomugha and "other needs"? If he is #1 Cb we immediately do not have a priority need at safety. We can cut other back ups to create space if we can get a good player to strengthen team.

Yeah I think we are looking at around $90 million, too. Since Pollard and all of them won't be coming back. We probably won't resign Foster till next year, but if they were smart management would sign him right after the lockout was over along with Leach.

I still do think we have "other needs" and I don't want to have so much money tied up into Nmandi. How do we not have a need at safety? That is what I am wondering...

badboy
07-16-2011, 02:03 PM
Do I? I like their head coach a lot more. And the Bucs were a better team in 2010 than the Texans. Fact. So, why is it a stretch for Asomugha to sign in Tampa over Houston?This season should change your mind about who is the better coach. With Gary Kubiak able to concentrate only on the ofense, I expect his approval rating to sky rocket.

badboy
07-16-2011, 02:09 PM
Yeah I think we are looking at around $90 million, too. Since Pollard and all of them won't be coming back. We probably won't resign Foster till next year, but if they were smart management would sign him right after the lockout was over along with Leach.

I still do think we have "other needs" and I don't want to have so much money tied up into Nmandi. How do we not have a need at safety? That is what I am wondering...You may be correct about Foster as they might franchise him. I no longer think that is the correct approach. He would get top 10 RB money. That may be the safe thing to do as we don't know if he will repeat last season. I am saying he will not. However, he should be open to a four year deal with a 5th at team option at good money. McNair has proven he will pay his guys. IMO, Foster stats could go down and the team and Foster could benefit if Tate(r salad) is as good as he is supposed to be. I agree on Leach as he can get good money & block for Foster getting national attention & maybe another probowl. I think we will sign Vontae at reasonable $.

ChampionTexan
07-16-2011, 02:18 PM
You may be correct about Foster as they might franchise him.

If you're talking about for 2011 - it's too late. The deadline to apply franchise tags was prior to the lockout commencing. And they'd never do it anyway, as Foster can't play for any other NFL team in 2011 .

Unless the new CBA changes this (and I've heard absolutely nothing that it will), Foster is a restricted rights FA which means he's not even eligible to play for another NFL team this year. His only two options are to come to an agreement with the Texans, or sit out the season.

ATXtexanfan
07-16-2011, 05:15 PM
This season should change your mind about who is the better coach. With Gary Kubiak able to concentrate only on the ofense, I expect his approval rating to sky rocket.

i would say kubiak only concentrated on the O last year

badboy
07-16-2011, 06:07 PM
i would say kubiak only concentrated on the O last yearI'm assuming you are being sarcastic.

badboy
07-16-2011, 09:59 PM
Ok first there are too many links for me to provide for each of my "facts" but this is for your info only and is close as I could find. The way I did this was to google search 2010 salaries and that total was $82,349,500 but did not include some players which I researched and posted. Of course, most players will get a boost but I can't find that easily. May later search each player I expect to be on 2011 roster minus 2011 draft selections but that is a lot more work.

2011: Not included

Ben Tate: $405,000
Kevin Walter: $3m
Wade Smith: $1,750,000
K. Jackson:$2,620,000 did u know signed 5 yr $13.1m & 10m guranteed?
T. Holliday: $471,000
B. Cushing: $2,800,000
J Casey: $485,000
A. Caldwell: $638,000
* players= $12,169,000 +82,349,500=94,518,500

This does not include 2011 picks as not under contract or our own FA or difference in increase to 2011.

$120m proposed 2011 cap- $94, 518,000 = $25,482,000 below.

Players listed on link in the $82,349,500 that I believe are no longer on roster & subtracted out are:
Eugene Wilson: $3,770,000
Bernard Pollard:$2,550,000
Matt Leinert: $2,485,000
Dan Orslovsky:$2,250,000
Chris Brown: $ 643,000
Jacoby Jones: $ 550,000
Demps: $ 470,000
Jesse Nading: $ 470,000 (not sure if on roster)
D. Pressley: $ 470,000
Total: 13,658,000

$94,518,000 -$13,658,000= $80,860,000 or $39,140,000 below.

Players on 2011 roster I could cut if NEEDED to bring in free agents.
Brian Russell (s) $3,000,000
Andre Davis (wr)$4,700,000
Jason Allen (cb) $1,270,000 above three are $9m
Okoye (dt) $ 765,000
C. Studdard (og) $ 550,000
D. Barber (s) $ 475,000
S. Kegler (lb) $ 550,000
Eric Mouldin(cb) $ 470,000
Steve Slaton(rb) $ 470,000
Bryce McMain(cb)$ ? missed this one but could cut.
Total: $12,250,000
$80,860,000- $12,250,000 = $68,610,000 or $51,390,000 below

**Note, these are salaries only & not true cap hits but there is plenty of wiggle room.

I am sure errors will be found or players overlooked or maybe I'm just missing the entire boat but I have been all wet before.

I do realize some of above are cheap and trained in system & maybe worth more than signing other players to reach roster limit.

Dutchrudder
07-16-2011, 10:20 PM
Great effort, would rep if I could!

The only thing I think is missing is prorated signing bonuses. Like Cushing, KJ and wade smith should be a bit higher in cap space. I think Cushing is close to 4 million a year, because his contract details came put when he lost money for the suspension. I also would question if the re-signed guys like OD and Ward are included.

It's a tough task though, good luck trying to figure out that jigsaw puzzle.

badboy
07-17-2011, 09:40 AM
Great effort, would rep if I could!

The only thing I think is missing is prorated signing bonuses. Like Cushing, KJ and wade smith should be a bit higher in cap space. I think Cushing is close to 4 million a year, because his contract details came put when he lost money for the suspension. I also would question if the re-signed guys like OD and Ward are included.

It's a tough task though, good luck trying to figure out that jigsaw puzzle.

Exactly, cannot figure out why no 2011 salaries are on net. I did find bits and pieces on one link but did not have Andre Johnson for example.

drs23
07-17-2011, 12:30 PM
Exactly, cannot figure out why no 2011 salaries are on net. I did find bits and pieces on one link but did not have Andre Johnson for example.

Steve, you're right about info on 2011 salaries but URL="http://rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/hou/?rw=1"]here's[/URL] what I found.

I used this in another post talking about how much room the Texans had left.

badboy
07-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Steve, you're right about info on 2011 salaries but URL="http://rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/hou/?rw=1"]here's[/URL] what I found.

I used this in another post talking about how much room the Texans had left.That is an excellent link for info! Wow! Thank you. I missed your other post, can you copy paste in this thread or pm me? I think it has been established that 2010 was about $123million for Texans which including the $3m some have mentiuoin will be exactly where cap will be. Remove players like Demps and cuts I suggested above and we should have some rom.

drs23
07-17-2011, 02:46 PM
That is an excellent link for info! Wow! Thank you. I missed your other post, can you copy paste in this thread or pm me? I think it has been established that 2010 was about $123million for Texans which including the $3m some have mentiuoin will be exactly where cap will be. Remove players like Demps and cuts I suggested above and we should have some rom.

This:

As badboy says, you're missing nothing. I made a major assumption mistake by having read several times that the Texans had the 3rd highest payroll in the NFL. We all know what they say about 'assumptions'.

I went here to get a really rough payroll for 2011. If I punched the number correctly I came up with $68,904,000. That doesn't include garanteed money (don't know how much that is but it seems it would raise the total some anyway) but does include salaries for some players that might not be on the team this season. It also doesn't include any rookies since they've yet to be signed.

If this is anywhere near reality I guess the Texans can sign anybody and everybody that they think they might need and not look back.

On top of all of this I was catching up on NFL Access and Albert Breer in his interview states that the cap won't be a "hard cap". Don't remember his exact phrase but something along the lines of a "floating" or "balloon" cap. I've erased it already or I would watch it again to see exactly what he said. Perhaps someone else saw it and can add what was said.

I guess the bottom line is if the FO doesn't pull out all the stops and the checkbook to get us the help we need and some quality backups; then McNair's cheap!

steelbtexan
07-17-2011, 03:00 PM
Yep,
No excuses for not filling the major holes. CB/SS/WR #2

The $$$$ are there.

badboy
07-17-2011, 09:19 PM
Yep,
No excuses for not filling the major holes. CB/SS/WR #2

The $$$$ are there.Barry Warner and some guy named Joe was argung tonight on 610 about ASO coming here. Barry insisted no way but Joe indicated many "four letter stations" ESPN guys were saying it was about $ for ASO and of course he will choose the better team if $ is close.

steelbtexan
07-17-2011, 09:30 PM
Barry Warner and some guy named Joe was argung tonight on 610 about ASO coming here. Barry insisted no way but Joe indicated many "four letter stations" ESPN guys were saying it was about $ for ASO and of course he will choose the better team if $ is close.

Warner carries the water for BoBBy/Gary/Rick.

So I dont expect to see Aso here.

Afterall even though the $$$$ are there Billionaire BoBBy said he wasn't going to do anything crazy. Like sign the best CB in the NFL.

The Texans dont need to add great players on the team to win. LOL

Lucky
07-17-2011, 10:01 PM
I don't know where this guy at ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures) came up with these numbers, or how accurate they are. But, they show the Texans at $118.4 million. Not including rookie or restricted or exclusive rights free agent (Foster) signings. If the cap is close to $120 million (and these numbers are close to the truth), the Texans will need to do some maneuvering. Even at $130 million cap, there's not a lot of wiggle room.

I can see some of the dead weight like Okoye being released. How much impact would that make after absorbing the hit from the signing bonus ($1 millionish)? The biggest cap number belongs to Schaub at $9 million (or more). Could Schaub be up for a new cap friendly extension?

badboy
07-17-2011, 10:08 PM
I don't know where this guy at ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures) came up with these numbers, or how accurate they are. But, they show the Texans at $118.4 million. Not including rookie or restricted or exclusive rights free agent (Foster) signings. If the cap is close to $120 million (and these numbers are close to the truth), the Texans will need to do some maneuvering. Even at $130 million cap, there's not a lot of wiggle room.

I can see some of the dead weight like Okoye being released. How much impact would that make after absorbing the hit from the signing bonus ($1 millionish)? The biggest cap number belongs to Schaub at $9 million (or more). Could Schaub be up for a new cap friendly extension?That article has been out there for a while, it says Feb at top and many changes since then including Pollard and E. Wilson. He does not say who is included in that $118 so I ignored it in my research.

drs23
07-17-2011, 10:09 PM
I don't know where this guy at ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures) came up with these numbers, or how accurate they are. But, they show the Texans at $118.4 million. Not including rookie or restricted or exclusive rights free agent (Foster) signings. If the cap is close to $120 million (and these numbers are close to the truth), the Texans will need to do some maneuvering. Even at $130 million cap, there's not a lot of wiggle room.

I can see some of the dead weight like Okoye being released. How much impact would that make after absorbing the hit from the signing bonus ($1 millionish)? The biggest cap number belongs to Schaub at $9 million (or more). Could Schaub be up for a new cap friendly extension?

I've learned over the weekend what I suspect everyone else already knew. These damn cap numbers are really tough to nail down.

Rotoworld shows Mario as making the biggest haul this season @ 13 mil.

badboy
07-17-2011, 10:14 PM
I don't know where this guy at ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures) came up with these numbers, or how accurate they are. But, they show the Texans at $118.4 million. Not including rookie or restricted or exclusive rights free agent (Foster) signings. If the cap is close to $120 million (and these numbers are close to the truth), the Texans will need to do some maneuvering. Even at $130 million cap, there's not a lot of wiggle room.

I can see some of the dead weight like Okoye being released. How much impact would that make after absorbing the hit from the signing bonus ($1 millionish)? The biggest cap number belongs to Schaub at $9 million (or more). Could Schaub be up for a new cap friendly extension?I believe Mario Williams salary is $14m in his last season and that is prob not his cap hit. Schaub could agree to re-do but I don't see Mario agreeing.

Lucky
07-17-2011, 10:24 PM
I believe Mario Williams salary is $14m in his last season and that is prob not his cap hit. Schaub could agree to re-do but I don't see Mario agreeing.
You're right, Mario would make the most sense. And why wouldn't he agree to re-up, if the money is right? He wants to play OLB and as far as I've heard, he loves it in Houston. If it meant the difference between getting a big time CB or not, I think Williams would agree to an extension.

badboy
07-17-2011, 10:41 PM
You're right, Mario would make the most sense. And why wouldn't he agree to re-up, if the money is right? He wants to play OLB and as far as I've heard, he loves it in Houston. If it meant the difference between getting a big time CB or not, I think Williams would agree to an extension.
I refer to all my posts pre-draft about trading him. I hope you are right and supposedly Wade convinced him he is gonna benew sack leader for NFL. If he is or if he just has a better than usual year for him i think he will get all sorts of high dollar offer, especially from teams needing to spend 90 %. What defensive player is more needed than corner? How about a 4-3 DE or same guy who plays 3-4 OLB? It would be great if we could land a player due to Mario and or Schaub re-doing deals to lower cap hit.

dalemurphy
07-18-2011, 08:54 PM
I believe Mario Williams salary is $14m in his last season and that is prob not his cap hit. Schaub could agree to re-do but I don't see Mario agreeing.

Mario would be easy to redo and save a lot under the cap. Since it's his last year, they could do another 6 or 7 year deal, giving him a huge bonus that is prorated over the length of the contract. They could easily move his cap number down $7 or $8 million. However, I'm not sure they want to re-sign him. I'd rather see how he performs in the final year of his deal. I just don't trust him to play up to an elite contract nor to stay healthy and motivated for another 6 years.

Lucky
07-18-2011, 09:53 PM
However, I'm not sure they want to re-sign him.
Who are "they"? Smithiak? They're hanging on by a thread. Bob McNair? What has he ever said to make you believe Mario was unwanted?

Allstar
07-18-2011, 11:09 PM
Who are "they"? Smithiak? They're hanging on by a thread. Bob McNair? What has he ever said to make you believe Mario was unwanted?

Everyone in the Texans organization has never said anything negative about Mario since his rookie year. The illusion that we don't want him back was originated by the fans.

ArlingtonTexan
07-18-2011, 11:20 PM
Everyone in the Texans organization has never said anything negative about Mario since his rookie year. The illusion that we don't want him back was originated by the fans.

Mario is a difficult duck overall. He has not been a bust and will probably be the best pass rusher on the FA market. The problem is that he is not true elite (above average to very good at times), but will because of position and nobody being better command elite money. The 3-4 thing this year clouds his long-term value more. The best thing for the Texans would be if they could get a ong-term deal with him before the open market because (imo) someone will pay him silly money especialy if he even has a decent say 8-10 sacks year.

Allstar
07-18-2011, 11:31 PM
I'd like to think it would be a very smart decision to lock Mario up before this season. I don't think his value will diminish at all, and the last thing we want is for him to turn into LT and command the largest defensive contract in the league.

badboy
07-19-2011, 05:33 PM
I am concerned about Williams but I think we need to see how he does. I just don't have a feel for his loyalty or desire (better way to word it) to remain with Texans if a high dollar offer comes along. This is why I suggested a trade to Patriots pre- draft. If we have a chance to lock him into a long term deal that lowers his cap hit to help us bring in vets, I'd probably be for that.

HTown2ATX
07-20-2011, 10:54 AM
I'm not a cap guru, but I was listening to McClain on 610 this morning and apparently the Texans will be right at the new CBA cap so pretty much no chance of a big name FA.

infantrycak
07-20-2011, 11:28 AM
I'm not a cap guru, but I was listening to McClain on 610 this morning and apparently the Texans will be right at the new CBA cap so pretty much no chance of a big name FA.

This is not a slap particularly at McClain, but our local commentators seem unwilling to spend the time to even understand the cap much less know the details so I would take McClain's comments with a grain of salt. For example, can't remember if it was John Granato or Rich Lord but when cutting HWWNBN was being contemplated one of them was going on and on about how we were going to take a $24 mil cap hit for all his remaining salary and the option bonus which was clearly not true and none of the others corrected him.

Lucky
07-20-2011, 09:16 PM
This is not a slap particularly at McClain, but our local commentators seem unwilling to spend the time to even understand the cap much less know the details so I would take McClain's comments with a grain of salt.
I have yet to see a credible source on the Texans cap status. AJ Burge once had a excellent spreadsheet on the Texans cap status. Keith Weiland picked up the ball and had a very good salary cap page on houstonprofootball.com, later inthebullseye.com. But, there's no legit info on 2011, probably due to whatever maneuvers occurred without a cap in 2010.

So are the Texans right up against the cap? Below the cap with the ability to go after big name free agents? Who know outside the Texans organization and the NFL? What I do know is that if the Texans enter the micro-offseason and are unable to upgrade the secondary with veterans, this will be an unmitigated disaster.

dalemurphy
07-20-2011, 11:59 PM
Who are "they"? Smithiak? They're hanging on by a thread. Bob McNair? What has he ever said to make you believe Mario was unwanted?

I said "I'm not sure" they want to sign him. In other words, it isn't clear. They have run into this scenario one other time in their history and that was with Dunta. They didn't re-sign Dunta but franchised him and eventually let him walk. That doesn't mean they will handle Mario the same way. However, they haven't publicly stressed the significance of re-signing Mario like they have done with other players like Demeco, OD, and AJ in the past few seasons.

dalemurphy
07-21-2011, 12:06 AM
According to my count, the Texans are well south of $100 million for this season's cap. Furthermore, the only substantial contracts that would be difficult to restructure would be Winston's and Okoye's... Neither contract is huge. The two biggest hits against the cap are Schaub and Mario. Since Schaub's deal is up in 2012 and Mario's in 2011, the Texans could easily restructure and extend either of those and save millions of dollars in this year's cap.

The point is: the Texans won't be constrained by the cap in free agency. If they don't spend this season, then I owe guys like Steelbtexan and Secondhoneymoon huge apologies. They have argued, consistently, that Bob McNair is a cheap owner who is much more concerned with the maximizing profits then he is with building a winner. We will find out who was right in the next week or two, because the Texans are in good cap shape and are looking at the deepest and most talented group of free agents this millenium. That's exciting!

Lucky
07-21-2011, 12:44 AM
However, they haven't publicly stressed the significance of re-signing Mario like they have done with other players like Demeco, OD, and AJ in the past few seasons.
Ryans and Daniel were restricted free agents. Andre's contract was below market value. This is Mario's last year on his contract. This is the usual point where teams extend their star players, and I've heard nothing coming from the Texans that Mario isn't a big part of their future. Only fan speculation.

cland
07-21-2011, 04:12 AM
Ryans and Daniel were restricted free agents. Andre's contract was below market value. This is Mario's last year on his contract. This is the usual point where teams extend their star players, and I've heard nothing coming from the Texans that Mario isn't a big part of their future. Only fan speculation.

I think the reasoning behind Mario's next contract suggests that the Texans are going to wait until after this year. First, he's changing positions and they'd like to see how he performs. Second, the new CBA still allows the franchise tag, meaning they will retain leverage on keeping him. And third, this is a make or break season for the coaching staff, if Kubiak doesn't make it the next coach/GM should be part of the resigning decision.

DocBar
07-21-2011, 04:23 AM
I think the reasoning behind Mario's next contract suggests that the Texans are going to wait until after this year. First, he's changing positions and they'd like to see how he performs. Second, the new CBA still allows the franchise tag, meaning they will retain leverage on keeping him. And third, this is a make or break season for the coaching staff, if Kubiak doesn't make it the next coach/GM should be part of the resigning decision.I'll bet the lockout will make McNair give Kubes & Co. another shot unless we wind up with the #1 overall pick in the draft again.
Good points in your post, though.

TexansBlood
07-21-2011, 08:44 AM
This ESPN article written yesterday says Texans are 7.6 million under cap.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6786350/reggie-bush-potential-cap-casualties

texanfan2002114
07-21-2011, 09:42 AM
According to my count, the Texans are well south of $100 million for this season's cap. :faildetector: Furthermore, the only substantial contracts that would be difficult to restructure would be Winston's and Okoye's... Neither contract is huge. The two biggest hits against the cap are Schaub and Mario. Since Schaub's deal is up in 2012 and Mario's in 2011, the Texans could easily restructure and extend either of those and save millions of dollars in this year's cap.

The point is: the Texans won't be constrained by the cap in free agency. If they don't spend this season, then I owe guys like Steelbtexan and Secondhoneymoon huge apologies. They have argued, consistently, that Bob McNair is a cheap owner who is much more concerned with the maximizing profits then he is with building a winner. We will find out who was right in the next week or two, because the Texans are in good cap shape and are looking at the deepest and most talented group of free agents this millenium. That's exciting!

Lol, thank goodness your not a cap guru. Texans are just $7.6m under the cap according to the post above mine.

TheMatrix31
07-21-2011, 09:58 AM
http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2011/07/there-could-be-some-surprising-elements-to-the-new-cba-deal-in-the-nfl/

Very interesting.

nero THE zero
07-21-2011, 10:05 AM
http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2011/07/there-could-be-some-surprising-elements-to-the-new-cba-deal-in-the-nfl/

Very interesting.

He's been tweeting along this line of thought all morning. Looks like the cap will be fairly irrelevant for a team who wants to make a move.

No excuses, Rick.

GP
07-21-2011, 10:15 AM
The point is: the Texans won't be constrained by the cap in free agency. If they don't spend this season, then I owe guys like Steelbtexan and Secondhoneymoon huge apologies. They have argued, consistently, that Bob McNair is a cheap owner who is much more concerned with the maximizing profits then he is with building a winner. We will find out who was right in the next week or two, because the Texans are in good cap shape and are looking at the deepest and most talented group of free agents this millenium. That's exciting!

Well, Dale, if there is no TRUE cap--which is being heavily speculated by the media right now--then you and some others can probably bet your asses that Bob McNair is not going to outbid other teams for Aso.

In fact, I'll go even further and say that I don't think he can spend what it's going to take to get even the 2nd or maybe even the 3rd best CB out there. Because those agents are going to drive up the price of their players, since they now full well that a "no cap" environment means teams can spend MORE.

I'm to the point where I want to ban myself from the boards until after the end of the first day of free agency. Because until that day comes and goes, I fear that this place is going to be an Anchorman gang fight.

No use in anybody speculating anything, IMO. Because the proof will be in the pudding after the first day of free agency is finished. Either Bob will have sucked it up and become a big boy, or he won't.

Yeah, a lot of you guys might need to save room for double portions of crow. Now, exactly which "side" will be eating crow is a whole other issue.

nero THE zero
07-21-2011, 10:19 AM
then you and some others can probably bet your asses that Bob McNair is not going to outbid other teams for Aso.

In fact, I'll go even further and say that I don't think he can spend what it's going to take to get even the 2nd or maybe even the 3rd best CB out there.
What is the basis for this other than unwavering pessimism?

painekiller
07-21-2011, 10:38 AM
I have done a search and couldn't find anything relevant. So it looks as though there is now a tentative agreement for the 2011 cap to be 120 million. Any idea where the Texans stand currently with cap room, and what kind of impact would this new cap have on our current situation?

In the Bullseye doesn't show anything past 2010.
http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap2010.html

I know it may be tough to forecast. But was hoping to have some discussion as to what type of flexibility we may have if/when FA begins. Who we may cut, who we go after, estimated budget, etc...

Here is what Keith Weiland, the person who maintains this cap had to say about it (http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25411&postcount=17)

Keith , Administrator


I am so majorly behind on 2011 cap updates that I really don't have a clear sense of where they stand currently. The NFLPA has been a bit more tight on sharing their salary data too, and that will make it a little more difficult to catch back up. That said, I don't feel much different from what I posted in this thread in May.

Also, expect a lot of cap casualties here in the next 10 days or so. I also suspect that if the Texans really wanted to create some cap room, they could sign Mario to an extension, maybe Schaub too.

The real wildcard here in pursuing Aso is that the cap floor ought to encourage teams with a ton of cap space to spend lots. I'm curious to see how long of a deal Aso wants to sign as well.

you can read the entire thread here (http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1275)

Tailgate
07-21-2011, 07:47 PM
http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2011/07/there-could-be-some-surprising-elements-to-the-new-cba-deal-in-the-nfl/

Very interesting.

Ok, I am going to click my heels 3 times and say... "I wish I was a super rich billionaire owner-slash-super fan of the Texans, I wish I was a super rich billionaire owner-slash-super fan of the Texans, I wish I was a super rich billionaire owner-slash-super fan of the Texans...

****... Didn't work. I guess we will see what Bob is all about in the next few weeks.

badboy
07-21-2011, 08:13 PM
Ok, I am going to click my heels 3 times and say... "I wish I was a super rich billionaire owner-slash-super fan of the Texans, I wish I was a super rich billionaire owner-slash-super fan of the Texans, I wish I was a super rich billionaire owner-slash-super fan of the Texans...

****... Didn't work. I guess we will see what Bob is all about in the next few weeks.Probably would have worked if you were in Kansas.

Tailgate
07-22-2011, 08:11 AM
Probably would have worked if you were in Kansas.

Ok....I was wondering cuz I totally had my ruby red slippers on and everything.

badboy
07-22-2011, 09:56 PM
Ok....I was wondering cuz I totally had my ruby red slippers on and everything.uh, okay. As long as everything did not include a mini skirt? You are a guy right? I don't remember too many of your posts. Anyway back to the thread....

GP
07-22-2011, 10:17 PM
What is the basis for this other than unwavering pessimism?

So the kid who has drunks for parents and knows he's living in hell until he's 18....that kid, when he talks about his environment, is a pessimist? Or is he relaying his reality in truthful, yet matter-of-fact ways? That's extreme, I know, but still.

We don't exist in a vacuum here. It's us versus multiple teams out there who have more to spend than we do, unless everyone's projections are all jacked up. Tell me how it's being a pessimist to express doubt? Only good vibes allowed here? Oh, I forgot: I have to go and chronicle the myriad of moves I would have made if I were owner or GM. LOL. That's always what comes next. Every time.

Should I pump sunshine up everybody's tailpipe, and espouse feelings that make people feel better?

Our team is, and has been for awhile, behind the 8-ball and a bit slow to make what most consider to be obvious moves. This owner, Bob McNair, will waste an entire YEAR on seeing if his boy David Carr can make it or not (even after having NOT made it for several years prior to his Sweetheart Year with Kubiak). Same with Dunta--Made him hang around a year too late, as well, for what??? Just because. He gets weepy when we ALMOST won an overtime game against the Ravens. Right Track, baby!

So, "yeah," I feel it's OK for me to express doubt on something as crucial and clutch as THIS particular free agency cycle. It's sort of important, and patterns don't forecast a good ending. Sue me. But sometimes things get whacky...sometimes tables get turned...I just don't put good odds on it.

And yet I'll be here, glad to have NFL football. Glad to have a Houston team. Hoping those guys get it pulled together and we see something different than we have had in the past decade--Legitimate ability to get into the playoffs AND go further.

beerlover
07-22-2011, 10:26 PM
So the kid who has drunks for parents and knows he's living in hell until he's 18....that kid, when he talks about his environment, is a pessimist? Or is he relaying his reality in truthful, yet matter-of-fact ways? That's extreme, I know, but still.

We don't exist in a vacuum here. It's us versus multiple teams out there who have more to spend than we do, unless everyone's projections are all jacked up. Tell me how it's being a pessimist to express doubt? Only good vibes allowed here? Oh, I forgot: I have to go and chronicle the myriad of moves I would have made if I were owner or GM. LOL. That's always what comes next. Every time.

Should I pump sunshine up everybody's tailpipe, and espouse feelings that make people feel better?

Our team is, and has been for awhile, behind the 8-ball and a bit slow to make what most consider to be obvious moves. This owner, Bob McNair, will waste an entire YEAR on seeing if his boy David Carr can make it or not (even after having NOT made it for several years prior to his Sweetheart Year with Kubiak). Same with Dunta--Made him hang around a year too late, as well, for what??? Just because. He gets weepy when we ALMOST won an overtime game against the Ravens. Right Track, baby!

So, "yeah," I feel it's OK for me to express doubt on something as crucial and clutch as THIS particular free agency cycle. It's sort of important, and patterns don't forecast a good ending. Sue me. But sometimes things get whacky...sometimes tables get turned...I just don't put good odds on it.

And yet I'll be here, glad to have NFL football. Glad to have a Houston team. Hoping those guys get it pulled together and we see something different than we have had in the past decade--Legitimate ability to get into the playoffs AND go further.

The way I look at it is Bob McNair, Gary Kubiak, Rick Smith & company are hungry to win, at all costs. They're mentality should be to overspend as much as possible if the end justifies the means. The big hurdle is not so much the money or cap thing its convincing players Houston is going to be a winner so you need to get in now :logo:

Allstar
07-22-2011, 11:13 PM
uh, okay. As long as everything did not include a mini skirt? You are a guy right? I don't remember too many of your posts. Anyway back to the thread....

I take it you aren't a fan of The Wizard of Oz? Does the term "We're not in Kansas any more" ring a bell?

http://www.glamboulevard.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ruby-slippers-wizard-of-oz.jpg

badboy
07-22-2011, 11:40 PM
I take it you aren't a fan of The Wizard of Oz? Does the term "We're not in Kansas any more" ring a bell?

http://www.glamboulevard.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ruby-slippers-wizard-of-oz.jpgAllstar, my friend you are going to haveto start reading trhe entire threads before you post. I mentioned not being in Kansas a few posts back. Tailgate said he had his slippers on & there fore my post about the miniskirt. BTW the Wizard of Oz terrified me for years and was only movie like that I had to watch every year.

badboy
07-22-2011, 11:42 PM
The way I look at it is Bob McNair, Gary Kubiak, Rick Smith & company are hungry to win, at all costs. They're mentality should be to overspend as much as possible if the end justifies the means. The big hurdle is not so much the money or cap thing its convincing players Houston is going to be a winner so you need to get in now :logo:Yep. Smith and Gary should feel like job is on line and McNair should know he has to calm the increasingly angry fan base. Hopefully his pride will show up any day now.

Tailgate
07-25-2011, 09:09 AM
uh, okay. As long as everything did not include a mini skirt? You are a guy right? I don't remember too many of your posts. Anyway back to the thread...

Since we apparently are being serious now... I would run naked thru the downtown streets of Houston in nothing but red slippers if i knew it would make me a billionaire and owner of the texans.

thunderkyss
07-25-2011, 09:16 AM
So the kid who has drunks for parents and knows he's living in hell until he's 18....that kid, when he talks about his environment, is a pessimist? Or is he relaying his reality in truthful, yet matter-of-fact ways? That's extreme, I know, but still.


I wish my parents were drunks.

I could have got away with murder.


:kitten:

badboy
07-25-2011, 08:11 PM
Since we apparently are being serious now... I would run naked thru the downtown streets of Houston in nothing but red slippers if i knew it would make me a billionaire and owner of the texans.Yep if that could happen the streets of Houston would have their running of the "bulls". You better not look over your shoulder as I will be gaining on you! lol