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CloakNNNdagger
07-10-2011, 12:11 PM
........the Texans could crash and burn. Thinking SMART will have to become a new trend...........an unfamiliar path to date.

Free agent period will separate best front offices from the rest
(http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/10/free-agent-period-will-separate-best-front-offices-from-the-rest/)

We don’t know when free agency will start. We do know that the craziest period of NFL player movement is on its way, which gives front offices a unique opportunity to separate from one another.

“What’s going to happen is you’re going to have some inexperienced general managers and owners go crazy early on,” one longtime G.M. told SI.com’s Don Banks. “They’re going to think, ‘I’ve got to go out and do something crazy. This is my window of opportunity.’ But I think that’s absolutely the wrong move.

“There are so many free agents and so many guys out there that if you’re just patient, you can wind up with some good players at really good value and not put yourself out there [at risk] with a couple mega-deals.”

We agree with all of that, especially the good value part. There are essentially two free agent classes available because of the restrictive 2010 rules. On top of that, teams were hesitant to hand out long-term deals before the lockout, which left even more quality players available. On Friday’s PFT Live, we talked about the impressive depth of this free agent group.

Good front offices should be able to find young, quality value without overpaying. Still, some teams will go gaga for veterans.

“That’s going to happen, I promise you,” the general manager told Banks. “A couple of these guys are going to say, ‘Hey, we’re going to be aggressive. We’ve got a fat wallet and we’re raring to go.’ I just hope those teams are in our division. Because when you go back over the history of free agency, it rarely works out with the big-money guys. Just look at the last five years or so, with Albert Haynesworth, Joey Porter or Terrell Owens.”

Front offices may only get a few days to learn the new rules before they start spending. It’s going to be a fascinating time to watch how teams work.

This free agent period should reverberate for years after, rewarding those teams that were most nimble and wise identifying talent.

HJam72
07-10-2011, 12:38 PM
Aso, Aso, Aso!!! :fans:

Norg
07-10-2011, 03:05 PM
U know what scares me our Front office F/A track record hasent been stellar .... : I

HJam72
07-10-2011, 03:23 PM
I think our front office needs some pressure on it anyway. Otherwise, they'll never sign FAs at all, unless they are very old, very much passed their prime, and CHEAP.

Fred
07-10-2011, 09:34 PM
Good front offices should be able to find young, quality value without overpaying. Still, some teams will go gaga for veterans.

Aso, Aso, Aso!!! :fans:

What the fans want is exactly what the article says is the wrong path.:stirpot:

steelbtexan
07-10-2011, 11:10 PM
If this story is true then, Texans fans are screwed.

badboy
07-10-2011, 11:46 PM
........the Texans could crash and burn. Thinking SMART will have to become a new trend...........an unfamiliar path to date.ANd how is this different than past off seasons? There is always a team or two that over pays.

thunderkyss
07-11-2011, 12:01 AM
I think our front office needs some pressure on it anyway. Otherwise, they'll never sign FAs at all, unless they are very old, very much passed their prime, and CHEAP.

You mean other than guys like Anthony Weaver & Antonio Smith.... old & cheap...... not really.

neither is KDub, Dressen, & Wade Smith (maybe cheap, but not old.)

I honestly do not believe money is an issue, when you consider what we paid Robaire Smith, & I can't remember their names, but those guys for our offensive line.... Then Antonio Smith & Anthony Weaver's contracts.....

money isn't the issue.

We've paid as much for scrubs as what other teams pay for the top FA....... most likely because we couldn't throw enough money at the top FAs...... they wouldn't have come to Houston for anything.

Allstar
07-11-2011, 01:31 AM
You mean other than guys like Anthony Weaver & Antonio Smith.... old & cheap...... not really.

neither is KDub, Dressen, & Wade Smith (maybe cheap, but not old.)

I honestly do not believe money is an issue, when you consider what we paid Robaire Smith, & I can't remember their names, but those guys for our offensive line.... Then Antonio Smith & Anthony Weaver's contracts.....

money isn't the issue.

We've paid as much for scrubs as what other teams pay for the top FA....... most likely because we couldn't throw enough money at the top FAs...... they wouldn't have come to Houston for anything.
You speak as if Antonio Smith is garbage/Weaver level. Smith is one of the bright spots on our defense.

thunderkyss
07-11-2011, 03:23 AM
You speak as if Antonio Smith is garbage/Weaver level. Smith is one of the bright spots on our defense.

I speak of FA we spent a lot of money on. Players who should have been in their prime. While they may not have got break the bank money, I see no reason to believe the Texans wouldn't pay out the nose if the right situation came along.

Aso, $20M a year may be that situation. But if they get in a room with Nnamdi & feel he has no intention of playing for the Houston Texans...... I doubt they'll offer him $50M just to say they did.

TheMatrix31
07-11-2011, 08:49 AM
I think the pressure of such a speedy market/situation might bring out good things.

steelbtexan
07-11-2011, 08:57 AM
I speak of FA we spent a lot of money on. Players who should have been in their prime. While they may not have got break the bank money, I see no reason to believe the Texans wouldn't pay out the nose if the right situation came along.

Aso, $20M a year may be that situation. But if they get in a room with Nnamdi & feel he has no intention of playing for the Houston Texans...... I doubt they'll offer him $50M just to say they did.

Lets just say we disagree.

Rick and Gary have failed to set up an enviornment that will attract top FA's. This should be one of the most important aspects of Ricks job. That and the hiring the scouting Dept and drafting the correct players to make this team a winner.

So far Rick has failed at his job for 6 yrs and counting.

DocBar
07-11-2011, 01:15 PM
I speak of FA we spent a lot of money on. Players who should have been in their prime. While they may not have got break the bank money, I see no reason to believe the Texans wouldn't pay out the nose if the right situation came along.

Aso, $20M a year may be that situation. But if they get in a room with Nnamdi & feel he has no intention of playing for the Houston Texans...... I doubt they'll offer him $50M just to say they did.I'm not sure about that. Rick Smith has to be feeling the pressure as much as Kubiak. After all, the drafts have been his baby and we play as many, or more, of our own draft picks as any other teams in the league, and we've been....less than successful so far. :toropalm:
Smith might feel it's time to make that blockbuster deal happen and get Houston (and himself) in the headlines for something other than being failures to date. Signing Aso would definitely accomplish that.

Wolf6151
07-11-2011, 02:13 PM
As another thread stated we could most likely get Joseph and Weddle for the same price as Aso. Joseph + Weddle > Aso. I agree with spending some money in FA for some quality talent but at the same time you don't want to cripple the team financially with dead money like we've been in the past.

steelbtexan
07-11-2011, 02:19 PM
Too bad Rick didn't draft Joseph.

Character issues

Wolf
07-11-2011, 03:12 PM
we have nothing to worry about. The Texans seem to move slow as

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4267481628_3f8b73f99a_z.jpg

:woot:
:texanbill:

DocBar
07-11-2011, 03:51 PM
As another thread stated we could most likely get Joseph and Weddle for the same price as Aso. Joseph + Weddle > Aso. I agree with spending some money in FA for some quality talent but at the same time you don't want to cripple the team financially with dead money like we've been in the past. I wouldn't consider a high $$ contract for any of those players as dead money. Those are quality players that deliver the good for the $$ payed. Too often the Texans have paid high-ish $$ contracts for other teams scrubs and cast-offs. Aso is a proven talent with no issues so why not make him an offer he can't refuse? It's not like making a deal with the devil for Haynesworth or anything.

badboy
07-11-2011, 05:11 PM
I'm not sure about that. Rick Smith has to be feeling the pressure as much as Kubiak. After all, the drafts have been his baby and we play as many, or more, of our own draft picks as any other teams in the league, and we've been....less than successful so far. :toropalm:
Smith might feel it's time to make that blockbuster deal happen and get Houston (and himself) in the headlines for something other than being failures to date. Signing Aso would definitely accomplish that.I think Wade could be whispering in his ear also. Phillips got what he wanted in draft so why not in FA?

badboy
07-11-2011, 05:13 PM
As another thread stated we could most likely get Joseph and Weddle for the same price as Aso. Joseph + Weddle > Aso. I agree with spending some money in FA for some quality talent but at the same time you don't want to cripple the team financially with dead money like we've been in the past.Weddle and Joseph could just as easily lead to dead money as ASO, more likely in my mind.

drs23
07-11-2011, 05:30 PM
Weddle and Joseph could just as easily lead to dead money as ASO, more likely in my mind.

Steve, anything could happen but why would you think "more likely"?

badboy
07-11-2011, 05:35 PM
Steve, anything could happen but why would you think "more likely"?

Strictly because ASO has good health history and as ball seldom goes in his direction, he should have less chance of injury.

DocBar
07-11-2011, 06:10 PM
Strictly because ASO has good health history and as ball seldom goes in his direction, he should have less chance of injury.I wouldn't say that. Look at Welker's injury at the end of the '09 season. Non-contact/freak injuries happen a lot.

thunderkyss
07-11-2011, 10:24 PM
Lets just say we disagree.

Rick and Gary have failed to set up an enviornment that will attract top FA's. This should be one of the most important aspects of Ricks job. That and the hiring the scouting Dept and drafting the correct players to make this team a winner.

So far Rick has failed at his job for 6 yrs and counting.

We agree on both points.

Where we disagree is this illusion that McNair is cheap.

badboy
07-11-2011, 10:30 PM
I wouldn't say that. Look at Welker's injury at the end of the '09 season. Non-contact/freak injuries happen a lot.Agreed that any player can be injured but ASO is known for staying healthy and remaining in games. As the best FA by far and one of two best CBs in NFL, I take him jands down every time.

thunderkyss
07-11-2011, 10:31 PM
I'm not sure about that. Rick Smith has to be feeling the pressure as much as Kubiak. After all, the drafts have been his baby and we play as many, or more, of our own draft picks as any other teams in the league, and we've been....less than successful so far. :toropalm:
Smith might feel it's time to make that blockbuster deal happen and get Houston (and himself) in the headlines for something other than being failures to date. Signing Aso would definitely accomplish that.

Here's the deal.

It may not matter, as it has not mattered in the past when it comes to high profile FAs.

If we want to pay $30M to David Givens to get him to come to Houston & play along side the best receiver in the league, he'll take that deal to Tennessee (of all places) & use it as a bargaining chip & still sign for $10M less.

If we offer Aso a deal, $20M/yr, $60M guaranteed & he says no, Rick has to have the balls to say, "You leave this room & the deal is off the table. We will sign a CB in the next 24 hours, so if you leave this room we're going to assume you have found your better deal & move on."

We can't allow him to go to Oakland, or Philly, or where ever saying, "I've got the Texans on the line for $60M guaranteed." Then settle for less.

That's all I'm saying.

Break the bank, but we've got to stop being the beyaatchh.

thunderkyss
07-11-2011, 10:34 PM
As another thread stated we could most likely get Joseph and Weddle for the same price as Aso. Joseph + Weddle > Aso. I agree with spending some money in FA for some quality talent but at the same time you don't want to cripple the team financially with dead money like we've been in the past.

What if we get Aso & Weddle for a few dollars more?

Stupid is going into FA thinking, "We won't even talk to this guy, & put all our eggs in that guy."

Then not get either guy.

Aso needs to know that we would "settle" for Joseph, Grimes, Taylor, etc...

We shoot for Aso, end up with Grimes... I'm happy.

Neither should have any bearing on Weddle. If Rick Smith can't work out a $100M payroll, we shouldn't be having this discussion.

badboy
07-11-2011, 10:35 PM
Here's the deal.

It may not matter, as it has not mattered in the past when it comes to high profile FAs.

If we want to pay $30M to David Givens to get him to come to Houston & play along side the best receiver in the league, he'll take that deal to Tennessee (of all places) & use it as a bargaining chip & still sign for $10M less.

If we offer Aso a deal, $20M/yr, $60M guaranteed & he says no, Rick has to have the balls to say, "You leave this room & the deal is off the table. We will sign a CB in the next 24 hours, so if you leave this room we're going to assume you have found your better deal & move on."

We can't allow him to go to Oakland, or Philly, or where ever saying, "I've got the Texans on the line for $60M guaranteed." Then settle for less.

That's all I'm saying.

Break the bank, but we've got to stop being the beyaatchh.Exactamundo. Hopefully we have learned from others who have shopped us and went elsewhere with our offer in hand.

steelbtexan
07-12-2011, 01:07 AM
Here's the deal.

It may not matter, as it has not mattered in the past when it comes to high profile FAs.

If we want to pay $30M to David Givens to get him to come to Houston & play along side the best receiver in the league, he'll take that deal to Tennessee (of all places) & use it as a bargaining chip & still sign for $10M less.

If we offer Aso a deal, $20M/yr, $60M guaranteed & he says no, Rick has to have the balls to say, "You leave this room & the deal is off the table. We will sign a CB in the next 24 hours, so if you leave this room we're going to assume you have found your better deal & move on."

We can't allow him to go to Oakland, or Philly, or where ever saying, "I've got the Texans on the line for $60M guaranteed." Then settle for less.

That's all I'm saying.

Break the bank, but we've got to stop being the beyaatchh.

If Billionaire BoBBy's not cheap as you've stated. (That's up for debate)

Then Rick Smith has failed miserably at his job. Which should be to hire the best scouting dept possible, draft well and do everything in his power to make the Houston Texans an attractive place for FA's to want to play/live.

Which is it? McNair =cheap or Gary and Rick =Fail?

steelbtexan
07-12-2011, 01:20 AM
What if we get Aso & Weddle for a few dollars more?

Stupid is going into FA thinking, "We won't even talk to this guy, & put all our eggs in that guy."

Then not get either guy.

Aso needs to know that we would "settle" for Joseph, Grimes, Taylor, etc...

We shoot for Aso, end up with Grimes... I'm happy.

Neither should have any bearing on Weddle. If Rick Smith can't work out a $100M payroll, we shouldn't be having this discussion.

Rick should do a deal with ASO like Angelo did in Chicago with Peppers.

here's the $$$$ that you're looking for. But if you walk out the door we're going to move on to the Josephs/Weddells of the world. Take it or leave it.


That's how you stop getting played in FA like the Texans have been for a decade in FA. Instead of Texans business as usual putting up a good offer to a FA and letting him use it as a baseline to get more $$$$ from another team.

This is the way teams like the Bears/Jets etc... do business. Untill Billionaire BoBBy start doing bussiness like this the Texans will be an early plyoff exit team at best.

DocBar
07-12-2011, 05:51 AM
Here's the deal.

It may not matter, as it has not mattered in the past when it comes to high profile FAs.

If we want to pay $30M to David Givens to get him to come to Houston & play along side the best receiver in the league, he'll take that deal to Tennessee (of all places) & use it as a bargaining chip & still sign for $10M less.

If we offer Aso a deal, $20M/yr, $60M guaranteed & he says no, Rick has to have the balls to say, "You leave this room & the deal is off the table. We will sign a CB in the next 24 hours, so if you leave this room we're going to assume you have found your better deal & move on."

We can't allow him to go to Oakland, or Philly, or where ever saying, "I've got the Texans on the line for $60M guaranteed." Then settle for less.

That's all I'm saying.

Break the bank, but we've got to stop being the beyaatchh.I agree with that. Bodden did that to us with the Pats and so did Price with the Rams. You have to have a point at which you say this is it. Take it or leave it. That doesn't mean don't talk to any other FA's. I would never dream of Smith going to the table and telling Aso that we're not even talking to other FA's, that you're the one we have our sights set on and here's the combo to the vault. I just want Smith to start out high and have the flexability to go higher. If we could sign a player like Weddle early on, that might send a strong signal to Aso that we're serious about winning around here and that could tip the odds in our favor for getting Aso a little cheaper than otherwise.
I just peed my pants a little bit. Aso and Weddle on the Texans in 2011. :whip:

Rey
07-12-2011, 10:32 AM
We can get weddle. But we would have to overpay for him.

steelbtexan
07-12-2011, 10:41 AM
My dream offseason FA signings that you could stay within your budget and fix the offense and defense would be

1.Aso
2.Atari Bigby, he's a good young S that's coming off an injury and should get a reasonable contract. The Packers are deep at S and will probably let Bigby walk.
3. Burress, Should be had on the cheap and would make the offense deadly.

These moves could be made within salary cap constraints.

disaacks3
07-12-2011, 11:20 AM
We've paid as much for scrubs as what other teams pay for the top FA....... most likely because we couldn't throw enough money at the top FAs...... they wouldn't have come to Houston for anything.

That's what I'm afraid of...throwing Aso-level money at Kareem Jackson-level quality.

DocBar
07-12-2011, 04:43 PM
My dream offseason FA signings that you could stay within your budget and fix the offense and defense would be

1.Aso
2.Atari Bigby, he's a good young S that's coming off an injury and should get a reasonable contract. The Packers are deep at S and will probably let Bigby walk.
3. Burress, Should be had on the cheap and would make the offense deadly.

These moves could be made within salary cap constraints.I just can't help but laugh every time I see his name. Poor kid.

CloakNNNdagger
07-12-2011, 07:30 PM
I just can't help but laugh every time I see his name. Poor kid.

Atari Bigby was born in Jamaica and moved to the U.S. at age 4. He was named by his grandmother, who liked the name Atari. "Atari" is a Japanese word meaning "hit a target", akin to an English speaker exclaiming "bullseye!". During his time at UCF, he insisted he was not named after the video game console of the same name.
link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Bigby)

He'll be explaining this to someone until the day he dies.