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Dutchrudder
07-07-2011, 04:11 PM
Since there are over 9000 threads on where he will go, throw down your ONE team that you think he will sign with in 2011 Free Agency. Winner(s) gets a rep from me, MSR not withstanding.


I'm going to place my bet on the Philadelphia Eagles.

They need some help in the secondary, and another year of explosive offense from McCoy and Vick, paired with an improved defense makes this team a serious favorite for the Super Bowl. I'm sure the Eagles would love to add him to the team, and I believe they will have the cap space to do it.

jaayteetx
07-07-2011, 04:38 PM
All this talk for nothing...he resigns with Raiders.

TheIronDuke
07-07-2011, 05:08 PM
I'm torn between the Eagles and Ravens.

Going with the Eagles.

Allstar
07-07-2011, 05:39 PM
What the hell, I'll say Texans.

AnthonyE
07-07-2011, 05:53 PM
I'll say texans as well. I think aso would love to line up against some of his better friends daily.

Allstar
07-07-2011, 06:18 PM
I'm torn between the Eagles and Ravens.

Going with the Eagles.

Baltimore just picked Jimmy Smith in the first. Do you really think that they're looking to spend huge cash at the same position? Aso on that team would be unfair.

ChampionTexan
07-07-2011, 06:19 PM
All this talk for nothing...he resigns with Raiders.

I agree - I think he'll re-sign with the Raiders too (but you get credit for being first).

Stemp
07-07-2011, 06:42 PM
I agree - I think he'll re-sign with the Raiders too (but you get credit for being first).

He won't re-sign with the raiders.
I think we have a good shot at him.

gary
07-07-2011, 07:18 PM
Detroit.

RazorOye
07-07-2011, 07:52 PM
bring him home to Louisiana! ;)

:nochanceinhell:

Corrosion
07-09-2011, 06:25 AM
:logo: :trophy:

Thats my bold prediction.

Señor Stan
07-09-2011, 08:39 AM
Since my predictions are wrong most of the time I'm guessing...

The Dallas Cowboys

steelbtexan
07-09-2011, 09:27 AM
Baltimore just picked Jimmy Smith in the first. Do you really think that they're looking to spend huge cash at the same position? Aso on that team would be unfair.

Harbaugh said they were going to look at signing ASO.

With ASO and Smith at the CB spots Baltimore would be the SB favorite. IMHO

The can sign ASO with the $$$$ saved by letting Wilson/Carr/Landry walk.

A secondary of ASO/Smith at CB and Leonhard/Reed at S would be the best in the league.

False Start
07-09-2011, 09:32 AM
Philly

Doppelganger
07-09-2011, 09:45 AM
Aso wants to go to a contender. He wants to go to an organization that is known for winning and exudes classiness on and off the field.

I say he goes to Pittsburgh.

thunderkyss
07-09-2011, 01:47 PM
Detroit.

2nd

ChampionTexan
07-09-2011, 02:05 PM
He won't re-sign with the raiders.
I think we have a good shot at him.

I think there's a decent shot he re-signs with the Raiders regardless, but don't forget one of the sticking points in the CBA negotiation has to do with Right of First Refusal (ROFR) on free agents. Last I heard, the league wanted 3 ROFR's per team, and while I don't think there's a chance in the world they'll get that, all it would take is one per team to give the Raiders the absolute power to lock Nnamdi up again.

The ROFR may be negotiated completely away (in fact, I hope it is), but if it isn't, it amounts to a second way (in addition to the Franchise tag) to guarantee the return of a free agent - regardless of years in the league.

badboy
07-09-2011, 02:53 PM
I think there's a decent shot he re-signs with the Raiders regardless, but don't forget one of the sticking points in the CBA negotiation has to do with Right of First Refusal (ROFR) on free agents. Last I heard, the league wanted 3 ROFR's per team, and while I don't think there's a chance in the world they'll get that, all it would take is one per team to give the Raiders the absolute power to lock Nnamdi up again.

The ROFR may be negotiated completely away (in fact, I hope it is), but if it isn't, it amounts to a second way (in addition to the Franchise tag) to guarantee the return of a free agent - regardless of years in the league.Not sure how that would work.

Texans

ChampionTexan
07-09-2011, 05:10 PM
Not sure how that would work.

Texans

If it's included at all, it would likely work like the ability to match an offer on a RFA only without a draft pick involved. In the past, the Texans have matched offers for David Anderson (Broncos) and Vonta Leach (Giants), and made an offer on Kevin Walter that was not matched by the Bengals.

Probably the only thing that would really need to be addressed would be a way to elimnate unmatchable offers similar to the one the Vikings made to Steve Hutchinson - unless that's already been done and I simply missed it.

edo783
07-09-2011, 10:37 PM
If I am Aso and they can foot the bill for my services, I would probably select Philly.

hot pickle
07-10-2011, 12:02 AM
im gonna say the colts

Wolf6151
07-10-2011, 12:45 AM
I don't know where he's going but it most likely won't be Houston. He's to expensive for us and he'll want to play for a proven winning organization, not perennial losers.

If he plays for Baltimore it's almost unfair to the rest of the league.

Lucky
07-10-2011, 08:54 AM
Difficult to say with the CBA and potential cap still up in the air. With Dallas and Washington both ignoring the CB position in the draft, I have to believe they are targeting FA CBs. I'm going to say the Redskins, because Snyder will do anything to beat Jones.

The Texans? They won't "go crazy".

Second Honeymoon
07-11-2011, 09:59 AM
Rick Smith was on with John and Lance today on 1560thegame and he couldn't say much but I did get the feeling that they may take an aggressive stance in FA this year to improve the team. After all, its in his interest to do so.

If they fail again, both he and Gary may be fired and its doubtful that Rick would ever get another shot. I could see a scenario develop where Gary could find another job as HC if it was a team that had a defense and needed an offensive makeover but that may be a bit optimistic.

Rick should be ready to pounce once/if the lockout is lifted. They also need to have some 'mock FAs' setup based on different salary cap guidelines. They know the different models that have been discussed and now its pretty much known how the cap is going to work out. It may be a situation where some teams will be jettisoning players to get under a hard cap. All scenarios need to be worked out. This new CBA transition is going to make or break franchises futures over the next few years.

Some teams are going to be forced to sign players and add payroll, like the Bills. They may have to re-sign all their good players to lucrative deals and be a player in FA just to meet minimum cap guidelines. Its all theoretical but as GM you must give yourself a headstart in planning activity once the rules are determined and lockout is lifted.

Rick needs to get some agents on speed dial. They owe it to AJ to truly commit themselves to winning this year and every year.

drs23
07-11-2011, 10:20 AM
Rick Smith was on with John and Lance today on 1560thegame and he couldn't say much but I did get the feeling that they may take an aggressive stance in FA this year to improve the team. After all, its in his interest to do so.

...

Rick needs to get some agents on speed dial. They owe it to AJ to truly commit themselves to winning this year and every year.

1) McNair, Kubiak and Smith have said this early and often since going 6-10 last season. Of coarse there are many here who know better, that they're just lying, incompetent pieces of ****. Personally, I think they will be aggressive. Does that mean they'll sign every player they covet? Certainly not. That doesn't mean they weren't aggressive.

2) Rick Smith as much said that they'd have bank of phones on speed dial. As the FO has stated since before the draft, they have their prospects targeted and that they'd have to move swiftly so much has been/will be deligated. I'm sure it's up to Rick Smith to get the ink on the paper but as I've said prior: I think some folks are gonna be surprised.

Does this mean they sign Aso? Not at all, but it doesn't mean they won't try. After all it's up to Aso as we all know.

Allstar
07-11-2011, 11:38 AM
I think the fact that we went out and spent the big bucks to bring in Wade is an indication that we are ready to spend to get better in a hurry.

CloakNNNdagger
07-12-2011, 09:12 AM
Asomugha likely “too expensive” for Lions (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/12/asomugha-likely-too-expensive-for-lions/)


The Lions were very aggressive last free agent period, having targeted Kyle Vanden Bosch and Nate Burleson as players they wanted to sign right away.

That aggressiveness and their need at cornerback has led to some Nnamdi Asomugha speculation, but Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press quotes a source that says Asomugha will be “too expensive” to go after.

Detroit could be reasonably close to a $120 million salary cap, although there are a lot of moves that could be made to make room. Birkett writes the team would still like to go after a No. 1 cornerback like Johnathan Joseph, Antonio Cromartie, or Ike Taylor if the “price is right.”

IDEXAN
07-12-2011, 09:20 AM
I just think it's no more than wishful thinking to suggest that the Texans have a realistic shot at signing this guy ? OK give me an example of a similar scenario where a talented big-name FA like this player wanting to get paid AND also wanting a SB ring ended up with an also-ran like the Texans ?

Dutchrudder
07-12-2011, 09:29 AM
Guys, this is a 'you call it' thread. Just pick the team that you think will sign Aso.

Feel free to say why you think he will go to that team, but I specifically did not put this in the Texans Talk section because we have discussed 'Aso to the Texans' about 1000 times already. That horse has been beaten to death with a sledge hammer, thrown into a wood chipper and sent to a glue factory long ago.

playa465
07-12-2011, 10:49 AM
Iggles

ChampionTexan
07-12-2011, 11:12 AM
I just think it's no more than wishful thinking to suggest that the Texans have a realistic shot at signing this guy ? OK give me an example of a similar scenario where a talented big-name FA like this player wanting to get paid AND also wanting a SB ring ended up with an also-ran like the Texans ?

While it's difficult to determine motivation - particularly in retrospect - two recent examples that come to mind are Nate Clements and Julius Peppers.

Both were the top free agent going into their off-seasons, and I'm pretty sure both ended up being the highest paid FA in their respective years. Clements in 2007, and Peppers in 2010. Clements ended up going to a 49er team that had won no more than 7 games in any of the four previous seasons. Peppers went to a Chicago Bears team who was coming off of two 7-9 seasons in the previous three years (along with a 9-7 season stuck in between). It's easy to forget given the successful season they had in 2010, but there was a large group of folks who felt Lovie Smith should have been fired after the 2009 season, and felt it was a foregone conclusion that 2010 would be his last in Chicago. Few if any expected anything close to the actual season they had last year.

I could also throw in Albert Haynesworth joining a mediocre (at best) Washington team in 2009, but I imagine you would respond with the contention it was clear he was only going for the money, and you may be right.

But because there's no objective scale for motive, and you can clearly state that three out of the the last four top FA's went to teams that no objective observer viewed as a real threat to win a Super Bowl (the remaining one is Asante Samuel who went with the Eagles), that kind of indicates that there's no hard and fast rule to where they will land.

HOU-TEX
07-12-2011, 11:25 AM
NY Giants

b0ng
07-13-2011, 09:48 PM
Probably the Eagles but the hometown seems to want to take a shot. I really don't think the black and silver are going to do it.

HOU-TEX
07-14-2011, 09:07 AM
NY Giants

I'm changing my answer to the Tampa Bay Bucs

If teams are going to be forced to spend a majority of the cap the Bucs are going to have to spend. From what I heard the other day the Bucs are approx 25-30 million under the proposed minimum. Also, if they whack the moron CB that was poppin caps with his mom they're going to need him

Dutchrudder
07-14-2011, 10:02 AM
Probably the Eagles but the hometown seems to want to take a shot. I really don't think the black and silver are going to do it.

The Raiders will need to free up about 15 million in cap space if they want a chance to sign Aso. They just signed freaking Stanford Rout for 31 million over 3 years.

The Pencil Neck
07-14-2011, 10:13 AM
I think there are a lot of teams that are going to go after him hard.

But I expect him to go to the Cowboys.

CloakNNNdagger
07-16-2011, 07:22 AM
I think there are a lot of teams that are going to go after him hard.

But I expect him to go to the Cowboys.

The Cowboys would seem to be one of the least likely candidates.

But the Cowboys are roughly $18.9 million over a $120 million cap, and they will have to make some player sacrifices. Cutting wide receiver Roy Williams, right tackle Marc Colombo and running back Marion Barber would be easy decisions, but not so fast. Their combined salaries are $12.259 million, but those three players have more than $27 million in signing bonus proration. They might create too much dead money against the cap to get under.link (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1722053&postcount=1)

CloakNNNdagger
07-16-2011, 07:41 AM
disregard

The Pencil Neck
07-16-2011, 10:09 AM
The Cowboys would seem to be one of the least likely candidates.

link (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1722053&postcount=1)

Just as I was posting that, I was thinking maybe I should check their salary cap. It just didn't seem worth the trouble.

If the Cowboys can find a way to swing it, they will.

Ole Miss Texan
07-17-2011, 01:24 PM
I really think he'll end up with the... Houston Texans.(!)

In Dre We Trust.

steelbtexan
07-17-2011, 01:42 PM
1) McNair, Kubiak and Smith have said this early and often since going 6-10 last season. Of coarse there are many here who know better, that they're just lying, incompetent pieces of ****. Personally, I think they will be aggressive. Does that mean they'll sign every player they covet? Certainly not. That doesn't mean they weren't aggressive.

[Quote/] Billionaire BoBBy himself said they're not going to do anything crazy. I'll take him at his word.

2) Rick Smith as much said that they'd have bank of phones on speed dial. As the FO has stated since before the draft, they have their prospects targeted and that they'd have to move swiftly so much has been/will be deligated. I'm sure it's up to Rick Smith to get the ink on the paper but as I've said prior: I think some folks are gonna be surprised.

Does this mean they sign Aso? Not at all, but it doesn't mean they won't try. After all it's up to Aso as we all know.

Do you really have faith in Rick doing a good job during the FA period? He can even do a good job in FA during a regular FA offseason. What leads you to believe that he will do a better job during an abbreviated FA period?

Proof will be in the pudding. Depending on how the FA period I see the Texans as a 7-9,9-7 type team again this yr.

Now if Rick fill the holes (#2 Wr,S,CB,LB/OL depth in FA) and it doesn't have to be Aso level. But they have to atleast reach the Cromartie level FA at CB,S and #2 Wr I could see a 10-6 record.

Gary will atleast = -2 wins.

Ole Miss Texan
07-17-2011, 01:56 PM
Question: does anyone think that an outdoor stadium up north may keep him from going there? On one hand he's a guy that grew up and always played in sunny Cali and his skill is being able to change direction and catch up with a WR. Snowy weather may affect that. On the other hand it's not Luke DB's cant be successful up north (Woodson in GB, Revis in NY, Samuel in PHI) :(:(

CloakNNNdagger
07-17-2011, 02:12 PM
Question: does anyone think that an outdoor stadium up north may keep him from going there? On one hand he's a guy that grew up and always played in sunny Cali and his skill is being able to change direction and catch up with a WR. Snowy weather may affect that. On the other hand it's not Luke DB's cant be successful up north (Woodson in GB, Revis in NY, Samuel in PHI) :(:(

I don't think that will necessarily make the difference. He'll possibly learn to play just a little more off his man. Opposing offenses also will be playing in that snow.:)

drs23
07-17-2011, 03:14 PM
Do you really have faith in Rick doing a good job during the FA period? He can even do a good job in FA during a regular FA offseason. What leads you to believe that he will do a better job during an abbreviated FA period?

Proof will be in the pudding. Depending on how the FA period I see the Texans as a 7-9,9-7 type team again this yr.

Now if Rick fill the holes (#2 Wr,S,CB,LB/OL depth in FA) and it doesn't have to be Aso level. But they have to atleast reach the Cromartie level FA at CB,S and #2 Wr I could see a 10-6 record.

Gary will atleast = -2 wins.

I'm not so sure the abbreviated FA period hurts too much. Seems as they've had more time to do their due diligence. They've stated they know who they want. Now all they hafta do is sign them. It takes two parties to do that. Until I did a little cap research I thought they were almost maxed out. Doesn't appear to be the case. It "looks" like they can sign anyone they wish to throw big bucks at and that's exactly what it will take. It still may not be enough to lure Aso, but I bet they try.

I have a feeling some folks are going to be surprised when the smoke clears after free agency. Of coarse when that happens the "they overpaid" birds will start singing.

I guess we'll all find out together and know going in not everyone will be happy.

.

El Tejano
07-18-2011, 12:52 PM
As long as they get someone we all respect, I'll be good with it.

El Tejano
07-19-2011, 10:56 AM
Here's something to consider. If Philly goes with this, then you can take them out the running for Aso.

Cardinals | To offer DRC for Kevin Kolb?
Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:59:22 -0700

The Arizona Cardinals are prepared to offer CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie in a trade to the Philadelphia Eagles for QB Kevin Kolb, according to a source.

0 Comments | Share: | Source: Xtra 910 Radio - Mike Jurecki



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1SZELcSVY

The only reason why this really makes me think it is true is because this is about a trade. I'm sure teams can still talk about who they want to trade, they just can't talk to the players about it.

ChampionTexan
07-19-2011, 11:03 AM
Here's something to consider. If Philly goes with this, then you can take them out the running for Aso.

Cardinals | To offer DRC for Kevin Kolb?
Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:59:22 -0700

The Arizona Cardinals are prepared to offer CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie in a trade to the Philadelphia Eagles for QB Kevin Kolb, according to a source.

0 Comments | Share: | Source: Xtra 910 Radio - Mike Jurecki



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1SZELcSVY

The only reason why this really makes me think it is true is because this is about a trade. I'm sure teams can still talk about who they want to trade, they just can't talk to the players about it.

My guess would be that they would first try to sign Aso - why trade an asset for a CB when you can sign a better one and still have the asset. I don't think this would add more than a day to the process to find out where Aso goes.

If Aso signs somewhere else, then they can consider a Kolb for DRC deal.

HoustonFrog
07-19-2011, 08:46 PM
This is from yesterday

http://twitter.com/#!/evansilva

evansilva Evan Silva
SI's Peter King on Nnamdi Asomugha: "I think it's a huge mistake if the Houston #Texans don't go hard after him right out of the chute."

Lucky
07-19-2011, 09:22 PM
My guess would be that they would first try to sign Aso - why trade an asset for a CB when you can sign a better one and still have the asset.
Salary cap.

thunderkyss
07-19-2011, 09:45 PM
My guess would be that they would first try to sign Aso - why trade an asset for a CB when you can sign a better one and still have the asset. I don't think this would add more than a day to the process to find out where Aso goes.

If Aso signs somewhere else, then they can consider a Kolb for DRC deal.

Kevin Kolb.... 3rd round pick? Second?

for Rogers-Cromartie.. 1st rd pick.

Kolb........ riding the pine.

Rogers-Cromartie.. playing every snap.

It's a win for the Eagles & if Kolb plays the way he has shown he is capable of, it's a win for the Cardinals.

Dutchrudder
07-20-2011, 08:42 AM
Kevin Kolb.... 3rd round pick? Second?

for Rogers-Cromartie.. 1st rd pick.

Kolb........ riding the pine.

Rogers-Cromartie.. playing every snap.

It's a win for the Eagles & if Kolb plays the way he has shown he is capable of, it's a win for the Cardinals.

I think it's much more likely that the Cardinals will give up Patrick Peterson for Kolb, rather than DRC.

Allstar
07-20-2011, 08:43 AM
I think it's much more likely that the Cardinals will give up Patrick Peterson for Kolb, rather than DRC.

And I think you're insane.

Ole Miss Texan
07-20-2011, 02:13 PM
And I think you're insane.
That's an understatement...

Dutchrudder
07-20-2011, 03:12 PM
And I think you're insane.

That's an understatement...

Why is that so crazy? All the reports are saying it would take DRC and a high draft pick, whereas the Eagles may go for Peterson alone or with a late round pick. If I'm the Eagles, I would much rather have Peterson alone than DRC and a 2nd.

Allstar
07-20-2011, 03:34 PM
Why is that so crazy? All the reports are saying it would take DRC and a high draft pick, whereas the Eagles may go for Peterson alone or with a late round pick. If I'm the Eagles, I would much rather have Peterson alone than DRC and a 2nd.

Eagles would do that trade in a heartbeat. Cardinals would not trade their prize known as Patrick Peterson aka Jesus Christ in cleats.

GP
07-20-2011, 03:36 PM
Why is that so crazy? All the reports are saying it would take DRC and a high draft pick, whereas the Eagles may go for Peterson alone or with a late round pick. If I'm the Eagles, I would much rather have Peterson alone than DRC and a 2nd.

Damnit. You were on such a long winning streak until this series of posts.

What team in NFL history traded their top-end first round pick before even seeing the guy play a down of football...even before CAMP of all things?

You over-reached. Unforced error.

MeLoveTexans
07-20-2011, 03:46 PM
Damnit. You were on such a long winning streak until this series of posts.

What team in NFL history traded their top-end first round pick before even seeing the guy play a down of football...even before CAMP of all things?

You over-reached. Unforced error.

Not to be a doucher, but if I remember correctly the Chargers traded Eli right after drafting him.

Although, I agree that the cardinals trading Petersen is unlikely.

Dutchrudder
07-20-2011, 04:08 PM
Eagles would do that trade in a heartbeat. Cardinals would not trade their prize known as Patrick Peterson aka Jesus Christ in cleats.

Well, there was speculation after they made that pick, that they made it for the Eagles in exchange for Kolb once free agency starts. Kolb has been hyped up enough to where it will likely take a 1st round pick and some more to get him from the Eagles, but Peterson should be enough on his own to make that deal work. I wouldn't do it if I were the GM of the Cardinals, but they are desperate for a QB. Desperate people often make bad decisions. This is a team that's going into next season with Derek Anderson, Max Hall and John Skelton on their QB depth chart. I think they will be angling pretty hard for a QB, whether it's Kolb, VY or Hasselbeck.

Allstar
07-20-2011, 04:09 PM
Not to be a doucher, but if I remember correctly the Chargers traded Eli right after drafting him.
Completely different situation, and a draft day trade at that. Apples to oranges.

Texecutioner
07-20-2011, 04:20 PM
Why is that so crazy? All the reports are saying it would take DRC and a high draft pick, whereas the Eagles may go for Peterson alone or with a late round pick. If I'm the Eagles, I would much rather have Peterson alone than DRC and a 2nd.

Dutch is not insane, because there have been reports that Peterson and Kolb could possibly be both part of a trade between both teams. You guys that are acting like he is crazy here just aren't informed on these rumours being circulated. I'm not saying that it will happen, but his suggestions aren't far off at all considering what many reports have hinted at.

Allstar
07-20-2011, 05:51 PM
Dutch is not insane, because there have been reports that Peterson and Kolb could possibly be both part of a trade between both teams. You guys that are acting like he is crazy here just aren't informed on these rumours being circulated. I'm not saying that it will happen, but his suggestions aren't far off at all considering what many reports have hinted at.

There was one report that got circulated around draft day. That was quickly shot down the day after the draft. It sounded pretty ridiculous to begin with anyways. Maybe you are the one who isn't informed on these rumors.

Texecutioner
07-20-2011, 06:13 PM
There was one report that got circulated around draft day. That was quickly shot down the day after the draft. It sounded pretty ridiculous to begin with anyways. Maybe you are the one who isn't informed on these rumors.



There has been more than one report. I'm sorry if you only follow the Texans, but what Dutch stated was not some out of this world theory. I talk to quite a few Philly fans and they were mentioning it to me far before I ever heard about it. It was a lot of heavy talk about it around Philly. There was a lot of smoke in these rumors. Just because you only heard of "one report" yourself certainly doesn't mean that there weren't others that you missed. I'm not saying that this is going to happen, but Dutch's suggestion isn't as crazy as you tried to make it seem. Philly has been known to be very active in free agency and trades every season as well, so them being in talks to trade a QB that they no longer need for a pass rusher that they desperately need to a team that really needs a QB isn't far out at all if they believe that Kolb will be a great player.

playa465
07-20-2011, 07:53 PM
I think it's much more likely that the Cardinals will give up Patrick Peterson for Kolb, rather than DRC.
Remember franchise QB is the most valuable asset, so Peterson for Kolb would be on par...DRC is not enough even though he is a proven commodity (Iggles are rumored to want DRC + 2nd/3rd pick for Kolb)....question is: Does Kolb equal franchise QB of the present/future?

GP
07-20-2011, 08:05 PM
Dutch is not insane, because there have been reports that Peterson and Kolb could possibly be both part of a trade between both teams. You guys that are acting like he is crazy here just aren't informed on these rumours being circulated. I'm not saying that it will happen, but his suggestions aren't far off at all considering what many reports have hinted at.

Always knew you were British.

Nobody is saying Dutch is insane. You've taken our hyperbole and made into reality. We're saying it's highly unlikely. And if it is just rumors, as is the "rumor" Francesca is floating about Houston being a lock to get Aso, then it is what it is: Rumors. What's so bad about us saying a rumor is unlikely?

I can see the deal being made for FUTURE draft pick considerations, but not for a guy the Cardinals have obviously picked to be a starting CB. Why would you trade off a rookie's salary for Kolb who is going to want starting QB money?

Mari-OWNED!
07-20-2011, 08:16 PM
Hopefully the Texans. If not, see my avatar.

badboy
07-20-2011, 08:23 PM
I think it's much more likely that the Cardinals will give up Patrick Peterson for Kolb, rather than DRC.No way but would be a great deal for both teams both Peterson & Kolb will be long time starters imo.

Allstar
07-20-2011, 08:28 PM
There has been more than one report. I'm sorry if you only follow the Texans, but what Dutch stated was not some out of this world theory. I talk to quite a few Philly fans and they were mentioning it to me far before I ever heard about it. It was a lot of heavy talk about it around Philly. There was a lot of smoke in these rumors. Just because you only heard of "one report" yourself certainly doesn't mean that there weren't others that you missed. I'm not saying that this is going to happen, but Dutch's suggestion isn't as crazy as you tried to make it seem. Philly has been known to be very active in free agency and trades every season as well, so them being in talks to trade a QB that they no longer need for a pass rusher that they desperately need to a team that really needs a QB isn't far out at all if they believe that Kolb will be a great player.

I believe the one report was re-reported by multiple "sources". You know exactly how that goes. The day after the draft that rumor was squashed.

badboy
07-20-2011, 08:31 PM
Well, there was speculation after they made that pick, that they made it for the Eagles in exchange for Kolb once free agency starts. Kolb has been hyped up enough to where it will likely take a 1st round pick and some more to get him from the Eagles, but Peterson should be enough on his own to make that deal work. I wouldn't do it if I were the GM of the Cardinals, but they are desperate for a QB. Desperate people often make bad decisions. This is a team that's going into next season with Derek Anderson, Max Hall and John Skelton on their QB depth chart. I think they will be angling pretty hard for a QB, whether it's Kolb, VY or Hasselbeck.Keep Peterson and trade the other corner + a second and you have a starting Qb and possible a franchise CB.

TheIronDuke
07-20-2011, 08:33 PM
Kolb's value can't be higher than Schaub's was when we traded for him. Kolb has looked pretty unimpressive from what I've seen, no way I'd think he's a franchise QB.

badboy
07-20-2011, 08:44 PM
Kolb's value can't be higher than Schaub's was when we traded for him. Kolb has looked pretty unimpressive from what I've seen, no way I'd think he's a franchise QB.Not sure if you were responding to my post or just stating your thought. My post was a starting QB & possible franchise corner.

TheIronDuke
07-20-2011, 08:49 PM
Just stating my thought.

Lucky
07-20-2011, 10:05 PM
Kolb's value can't be higher than Schaub's was when we traded for him. Kolb has looked pretty unimpressive from what I've seen, no way I'd think he's a franchise QB.
Matt Schaub as a Falcon:
84-161 52.2% 1033yds 6 TDs 6 INTs 69.2 QB rating

Kevin Kolb as an Eagle:
194-319 60.8% 2082yds 11 TDs 14 INTs 73.2 QB rating

I'm not suggesting that Kolb will be as good as Matt Schaub. What I'm saying is that Kolb has had at least as much success as Schaub had as a Falcon, but with more experience. So yeah, his value has to be at least as high as Schaub's was in 2007.

Texecutioner
07-20-2011, 10:23 PM
Icing te one report was re-reported by multiple "sources". You know exactly how that goes. The day after te draft that rumor was squashed.

Look, you can believe what you want. I'm not here to convince you. I was just stating that Dutch's idea wasn't as lopsided and crazy as you suggested considering what rumors were swirling out there. I don't think that Peterson will be traded, but if it somehow happens I won't be shocked either considering the rumors around the draft. My guess is that it will involve D Cromartie and some other pieces of value.

badboy
07-20-2011, 10:26 PM
Matt Schaub as a Falcon:
84-161 52.2% 1033yds 6 TDs 6 INTs 69.2 QB rating

Kevin Kolb as an Eagle:
194-319 60.8% 2082yds 11 TDs 14 INTs 73.2 QB rating

I'm not suggesting that Kolb will be as good as Matt Schaub. What I'm saying is that Kolb has had at least as much success as Schaub had as a Falcon, but with more experience. So yeah, his value has to be at least as high as Schaub's was in 2007.Thanks for posting. I almost posted I thought Kolb compared favorably to Matt but was to tired to research.

Allstar
07-20-2011, 10:39 PM
Look, you can believe what you want. I'm not here to convince you. I was just stating that Dutch's idea wasn't as lopsided and crazy as you suggested considering what rumors were swirling out there. I don't think that Peterson will be traded, but if it somehow happens I won't be shocked either considering the rumors around the draft. My guess is that it will involve D Cromartie and some other pieces of value.

First of all, sorry for the gibberish in that post, it was on an iPhone and I was in a hurry :)

I understand you completely, It's just very rare for a top 5 pick to get drafted, visit the team the next day with a press conference with his family there and they assure him that they are gonna keep him and how he is a big part of their future just for him to get traded at the first opportunity. I can't remember the last time a first round pick in the NFL was moved after draft day but before his first snap for that team.

Dutchrudder
07-20-2011, 11:12 PM
First of all, sorry for the gibberish in that post, it was on an iPhone and I was in a hurry :)

I understand you completely, It's just very rare for a top 5 pick to get drafted, visit the team the next day with a press conference with his family there and they assure him that they are gonna keep him and how he is a big part of their future just for him to get traded at the first opportunity. I can't remember the last time a first round pick in the NFL was moved after draft day but before his first snap for that team.

Well that may be unprecedented, but this is still a business. I don't believe many players in this league are untouchable, including first round picks. If the GM in Arizona believes that getting Kolb will improve the team more than what Peterson could, then I think he would make the trade. I don't think DRC is a great CB, I think he would be better suited as a #2, so I just don't see the Eagles going for him unless the Cards throw in a 2nd. Sounds a bit pricey versus Peterson, who hasn't played a down in the NFL yet. The Eagles may outright demand Peterson as well, who knows, but if I'm Andy Reid I'm going for Peterson.

TheIronDuke
07-20-2011, 11:16 PM
Matt Schaub as a Falcon:
84-161 52.2% 1033yds 6 TDs 6 INTs 69.2 QB rating

Kevin Kolb as an Eagle:
194-319 60.8% 2082yds 11 TDs 14 INTs 73.2 QB rating

I'm not suggesting that Kolb will be as good as Matt Schaub. What I'm saying is that Kolb has had at least as much success as Schaub had as a Falcon, but with more experience. So yeah, his value has to be at least as high as Schaub's was in 2007.

Well, guess I was wrong obviously. But I would say his value would be similar to Schaub's. Certainly not worth an insanely talented CB.

thunderkyss
07-21-2011, 04:31 AM
...and they were mentioning it to me far before I ever heard about it.

How does that work, exactly.........?

...so them being in talks to trade a QB that they no longer need for a pass rusher that they desperately need to a team that really needs a QB isn't far out at all if they believe that Kolb will be a great player.

I thought we were talkimg about Kolb for Peterson....the CB.

Ole Miss Texan
07-21-2011, 09:33 AM
I was commenting on the part that you "think it's much more likely" that the Cardinals would get rid of Peterson. We've all read the rumors, we know it's out there. My comment was towards your apparent confidence level of Peterson being involved in the trade.

Could it happen? Absolutely. It could be a win-win for both teams. The rumors have been out for a while, Kolb for DRC (or Peterson). That's because it makes sense. I just think it's "much more likely" that the Cardinals give up DRC plus a draft pick or two. :handshake:

Texecutioner
07-21-2011, 09:40 AM
How does that work, exactly.........?



I thought we were talkimg about Kolb for Peterson....the CB.

You're lost as usual.

Texecutioner
07-21-2011, 09:43 AM
Well, guess I was wrong obviously. But I would say his value would be similar to Schaub's. Certainly not worth an insanely talented CB.

I wouldn't call DRC an insanely talented CB personally, but that's just me.

And I don't know what kind of value you thought Schaub had before coming here. He had some, but it wasn't out the roof. I'd say that Kolb's value right now is right on par to what Schaub's was at the time. They both had pretty limited playing time when they had their opportunities and both showed flashes of being very good at times where potential was there. Personally, I think Kolb has a lot of potential to be a good QB in this league.

GP
07-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Keep Peterson and trade the other corner + a second and you have a starting Qb and possible a franchise CB.

Or, keep both CBs and trade a couple of 2nd rounders to the Eagles like the Texans did for Schaub.

It's better to give up what you don't yet have (future draft picks) and keep all three players (Peterson, DRC, and Kolb) that can help you immediately.

Can't miss what you don't yet possess.

GP
07-21-2011, 09:48 AM
I wouldn't call DRC an insanely talented CB personally, but that's just me.

And I don't know what kind of value you thought Schaub had before coming here. He had some, but it wasn't out the roof. I'd say that Kolb's value right now is right on par to what Schaub's was at the time. They both had pretty limited playing time when they had their opportunities and both showed flashes of being very good at times where potential was there. Personally, I think Kolb has a lot of potential to be a good QB in this league.

My problem with Kolb is the TD-to-Interception ratio compared to Schaub. Although Kolb did have more TDs than Schaub, which offsets the difference in interceptions. Who knows, Brett Favre did OK when he left Atlanta and went to GB. I'm only questioning the aspect of trading a high first rounder for Kolb who, IIRC, was a 2nd rounder.

When I watch Kolb, I see some bad decision-making too often. I think he started off fairly well, but started to fizzle. That's when Vick came aboard and the rest is history.

TheIronDuke
07-21-2011, 10:02 AM
I wouldn't call DRC an insanely talented CB personally, but that's just me.

And I don't know what kind of value you thought Schaub had before coming here. He had some, but it wasn't out the roof. I'd say that Kolb's value right now is right on par to what Schaub's was at the time. They both had pretty limited playing time when they had their opportunities and both showed flashes of being very good at times where potential was there. Personally, I think Kolb has a lot of potential to be a good QB in this league.

I was talking about Peterson.

I think Kolb's value is about equal to Schaub's was when we got him. I personally think Peterson is far worth more than two 2nd round picks. I wasn't impressed watching Kolb, he seemed easy to rattle if you got pressure on him.

Ole Miss Texan
07-21-2011, 10:12 AM
I don't see Kolb being worth the #5 overall pick either.

Here's a thought though: What if the Cardinals trade DRC plus a 2012 2nd round pick for Kevin Kolb. Then sign Asomugha. That's a nice CB tandem to have of Asomugha and Peterson with Adrian Wilson and Kerry Rhodes as safeties. Zona is way under the "cap".

infantrycak
07-21-2011, 10:16 AM
And I don't know what kind of value you thought Schaub had before coming here. He had some, but it wasn't out the roof.

I'd say both have similar trading value. Guess it depends on what you define as out of the roof. There were reports more than one team offered a 1st and 3rd for Schaub the year before we got him. And many people around here bitched about 2 2nds for him.

Texecutioner
07-21-2011, 10:23 AM
I'd say both have similar trading value.

Exactly. They're right about the same in my eyes as far as what the market bears for them and the potential I see in Kolb compared to what Schaub was maybe going to have before he got his chance to play.

Allstar
07-21-2011, 10:52 AM
I believe the ringing endorsement Andy Reid (who is known to be a great QB developer) gave Kolb to be the Eagles starting QB last year gives a lot of teams reason to believe that he is the real deal. Atlanta never claimed that Schaub was a franchise guy.

Dutchrudder
07-21-2011, 11:13 AM
I believe the ringing endorsement Andy Reid (who is known to be a great QB developer) gave Kolb to be the Eagles starting QB last year gives a lot of teams reason to believe that he is the real deal. Atlanta never claimed that Schaub was a franchise guy.

Yeah, I think that is contributing quite a bit to his hyped up value. Reid had been saying for the past few years that Kolb would succeed McNabb as the franchise's next QB, but Vick turned out to be better. I just don't think the Eagles are going to go for two 2nds (Kolb was a 2nd round pick) after giving the Cardinals a good QB. Kolb + Fitz ought to get them 8-10 wins and a playoff berth in that crappy division, which would mean the picks would be lower value. I think the Eagles are smarter than to take that, and the Dolphins, Raiders and Broncos may make offers too. Either way, the Eagles should get at least a 1st and 2nd round pick for this guy who was the #36 pick overall just a few years ago.

Ole Miss Texan
07-21-2011, 11:48 AM
Interestingly, both Schaub and Kolb played behind Vick. :fingergun:

Ole Miss Texan
07-21-2011, 12:24 PM
Nnamdi goes on a date!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToJ2ROxTtSg


"next you're going to tell me you're unemployed..." HILARIOUS.

Brandon420tx
07-21-2011, 12:38 PM
He's between jobs

Norg
07-21-2011, 01:36 PM
The Bucs

RagingBull
07-23-2011, 12:41 AM
With our luck, he will sign with the Colts::hairpull:

H.C.4100-Bloc
07-24-2011, 09:59 PM
The Jets or Bucs

Lucky
07-24-2011, 10:06 PM
I think Kolb's value is about equal to Schaub's was when we got him. I personally think Peterson is far worth more than two 2nd round picks.
Or put it this way: Would Arizona have taken (2) 2nd round picks to trade up for the #5 pick? No way.

Allstar
07-24-2011, 10:09 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6783433/nnamdi-asomugha-headlines-2011-free-agent-class

2011 free agency: It's going to be wild

Asomugha is the headliner; look for Redskins (again) to be among most active teams

By John Clayton
ESPN.com

Originally Published: July 24, 2011

Get ready for the wildest free-agency period in the history of the NFL.

With the next NFL labor agreement nearly in place, here's a look at the top 10 free agents and where they might land. More than 400 free agents will be available if free agency begins Saturday.

(And remember, teams still must sign their own draft choices and scramble to sign undrafted free agents. Plus, trades soon will be allowed.)

1. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, Oakland Raiders: Julius Peppers topped last year's market because of his ability to sack the quarterback. Asomugha, 30, the headliner of this free-agent class, closes off his side of the field to quarterbacks. Over the past three seasons, only 52 passes were completed against him. Like Charles Woodson, who left the Raiders to join the Packers, Asomugha has the type of body that could allow him to play until his mid-30s.

Leading suitors: Houston, Tampa Bay. Dark horses: Baltimore, San Francisco

Playoffs
07-27-2011, 07:24 AM
Eagles
Ravens
Bucs




Texans

GNTLEWOLF
07-28-2011, 06:40 AM
Eagles
Ravens
Bucs




Texans

Looks more and more like the Jets

badboy
07-28-2011, 03:25 PM
Looks more & more like Houston

thunderkyss
07-28-2011, 03:27 PM
Looks more & more like Houston

Yeah, I'm thinking if we can get this thread to 100 pages it's a done deal.

Dutchrudder
07-28-2011, 03:29 PM
I think the Jets are getting Orlando Pace'd. The Texans are the team with the money and Nnamdi is just using them to drive up the price for us.

Wolf
07-28-2011, 09:25 PM
interesting that Aso still hasn't announced his signing ..esp after the Texans signed JJ

Rey
07-28-2011, 09:44 PM
interesting that Aso still hasn't announced his signing ..esp after the Texans signed JJ

That's because the texans caught him with his pants down. Lots of ppl thought guys would be waiting on aso to set the market. aso probably thought the same thing.

I guess that theory is now debunked since there have been a few guys already on the move b

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2011, 09:52 PM
interesting that Aso still hasn't announced his signing ..esp after the Texans signed JJ

He was playing a game and playing his suitors against each other.

Now.

What's he gonna do?

I wonder if the Niners and Jets came down on their offers after we were out of the running.

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2011, 09:54 PM
That's because the texans caught him with his pants down. Lots of ppl thought guys would be waiting on aso to set the market. aso probably thought the same thing.

I guess that theory is now debunked since there have been a few guys already on the move b

I was one of the guys saying that (along with guys on Sportscenter and NFLN). BUT. He played it out too long and he got burned.

Personally, I'm psyched. Joseph was the guy I wanted.

Rey
07-28-2011, 09:59 PM
I was one of the guys saying that (along with guys on Sportscenter and NFLN). BUT. He played it out too long and he got burned.

Personally, I'm psyched. Joseph was the guy I wanted.

Who do you think will be the better player next year and moving forward?

My money is on Joseph. Even if aso goes to ny. Joseph is Faster and I think more physical. He's all football player.

I think he matches up extremely well with the colts receivers.

I'm pumped about this signing alone. If we get manning ill be 100 percent sure we'd win our division.

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2011, 10:06 PM
Who do you think will be the better player next year and moving forward?

My money is on Joseph. Even if aso goes to ny. Joseph is Faster and I think more physical. He's all football player.

I think he matches up extremely well with the colts receivers.

I'm pumped about this signing alone. If we get manning ill be 100 percent sure we'd win our division.

If you check some of my posts the past few weeks, I was really hot on getting Joseph and one of Mikell/Manning/Landry (or Goldshon in a pinch) as opposed to getting Nnamdi.

Nnamdi's a bit older and Joseph is just coming into his prime AND Joseph would be less money.

But I wanted the Texans to be players for Nnamdi because he's the highest rated guy out there. But I never thought Nnamdi wanted to come to Houston. I didn't much want him if he didn't want to be here.

I would not be surprised if Joseph has a better rest of his career.

The Pencil Neck
07-29-2011, 10:01 AM
According to NFLN, it's now down to the Jets and Cowboys.

ChampionTexan
07-29-2011, 10:08 AM
According to NFLN, it's now down to the Jets and Cowboys.
http://www.carolinapoliticsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/douche-turd.jpg

Wolf
07-29-2011, 10:11 AM
Jets have this wrapped up, I think his agent knows this is the last contract that he is going to get and using other teams as a bargaining chip to drive the price up.

Their defense isn't going to give up more that 10 points very often but that offense isn't going to score more that 10 either. I think Rex can live with that

TEXANRED
07-29-2011, 10:22 AM
Jets have this wrapped up, I think his agent knows this is the last contract that he is going to get and using other teams as a bargaining chip to drive the price up.

Their defense isn't going to give up more that 10 points very often but that offense isn't going to score more that 10 either. I think Rex can live with that

I am not impressed. The Jets now have two of the same player. Shut down man playing corners. So as an OC I send my receivers out on go routs and throw underneath. And if they do break off to cover underneath I kill you deep.

There is a yin and yang when it comes to the secondary.

Aso is going somewhere he does not fit. For his sake I hope he is more then a one trick poney.

Dutchrudder
07-29-2011, 10:39 AM
If I were the Jets, I would be more concerned with fixing the O-line.

ThaShark316
07-29-2011, 10:54 AM
I am not impressed. The Jets now have two of the same player. Shut down man playing corners. So as an OC I send my receivers out on go routs and throw underneath. And if they do break off to cover underneath I kill you deep.

There is a yin and yang when it comes to the secondary.

Aso is going somewhere he does not fit. For his sake I hope he is more then a one trick poney.

Fine. Let's get him for 5 mil. **** why not? :fingergun:

fiasco west
07-29-2011, 10:58 AM
Jets have this wrapped up, I think his agent knows this is the last contract that he is going to get and using other teams as a bargaining chip to drive the price up.

Their defense isn't going to give up more that 10 points very often but that offense isn't going to score more that 10 either. I think Rex can live with that

I'm betting it was always the Jets. Funny how it was first the Texans, then the 9ers...then the Texans again...then the Bucs...and now the Cowboys.

The Bucs supposedly not very interested in the first place (they play cover 2...) and the Cowboys who already dismissed the idea before the offseason started.

Glad Rick learned from past mistakes.

djohn2oo8
07-29-2011, 11:01 AM
Can't post the link from my phone, but Paul Greco on twitter says the Texans are still in it.
Someone from the Texans organization said yes when asked if still in it. Says they have 9 to 12 mil left.

Wolf
07-29-2011, 11:06 AM
Can't post the link from my phone, but Paul Greco on twitter says the Texans are still in it.
Someone from the Texans organization said yes when asked if still in it. Says they have 9 to 12 mil left.

I honestly don't know how and think it is a false report

HoustonFrog
07-29-2011, 11:13 AM
I honestly don't know how and think it is a false report

Agree. You can't be clearing space for a CB and give a guy 48 million over 5 years with a bonus, then get a top safety and then have this magical 12 million sitting around.

fiasco west
07-29-2011, 11:13 AM
I honestly don't know how and think it is a false report

He is tweeting it though...

PaulGrecoRadio Paul Greco
Hearing #Texans once again making strong push for Nnamdi Asomugha but also hear #Cowboys are too. #Jets were you at?
35 minutes ago

PaulGrecoRadio Paul Greco
#Texans fans shouldn't get to excited yet about Nnamdi Asomugha, potentially could b at #Cowboys camp gettin ready to sign this afternoon.
29 minutes ago

PaulGrecoRadio Paul Greco
@
@KeenanHunt2 crazy right? But my contact in #Texan camp says yes
27 minutes ago

Wolf
07-29-2011, 11:15 AM
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/n_asomugha_dal_110728_CP.jpg

nfl.com and nfl network need the ratings :kitten:

Errant Hothy
07-29-2011, 11:16 AM
If I were the Jets, I would be more concerned with fixing the O-line.

And finding a way to score more then 10 points with the current talent on the O.

Wolf
07-29-2011, 11:20 AM
who is his agent? IF his Texan's contact is saying yes... would the Texans act like they are in it,(find it hard to believe, other 31 teams salary cap guy knows, what each team can or cannot do) .. anyway for conversation sake...

would the Texans act like they are in it ,so, they basically are doing the agent a favor and boost his "mealticket" (aka aso) so that he(the agent) can possibly have a shot at one of his other clients and give the Texans a slight discount ?

Ole Miss Texan
07-29-2011, 12:04 PM
who is his agent? IF his Texan's contact is saying yes... would the Texans act like they are in it,(find it hard to believe, other 31 teams salary cap guy knows, what each team can or cannot do) .. anyway for conversation sake...

would the Texans act like they are in it ,so, they basically are doing the agent a favor and boost his "mealticket" (aka aso) so that he(the agent) can possibly have a shot at one of his other clients and give the Texans a slight discount ?
Well he wouldn't be acting in his client's best interest so that could land him in trouble. But then again how often do the really do the right thing? LOL

Someone said Asomugha and Cromartie have the same agent. Not sure if that's true or not though. Maybe Cromartie still an option if we're still looking at DB help?

Errant Hothy
07-29-2011, 12:36 PM
Local radio here in the DFW is going nuts over the thought of Nnamdi signing with the Cowboys.

badboy
07-29-2011, 12:50 PM
Agree. You can't be clearing space for a CB and give a guy 48 million over 5 years with a bonus, then get a top safety and then have this magical 12 million sitting around.It was not too many days ago, folks were saying no way Texans could have money for ASO as upagainst cap at $118m. Then we sign JJ for $12m against cap and Manning @ about $7m; soooo where did the $17m come from?

Señor Stan
07-29-2011, 12:55 PM
Can't post the link from my phone, but Paul Greco on twitter says the Texans are still in it.
Someone from the Texans organization said yes when asked if still in it. Says they have 9 to 12 mil left.

I for one, am surprised that Nnamdi's agent hasn't pulled the "mystery team" card...there's still time, I guess....

Dutchrudder
07-29-2011, 05:31 PM
A winner is you!

I'm going to place my bet on the Philadelphia Eagles.

They need some help in the secondary, and another year of explosive offense from McCoy and Vick, paired with an improved defense makes this team a serious favorite for the Super Bowl. I'm sure the Eagles would love to add him to the team, and I believe they will have the cap space to do it.

I'm torn between the Eagles and Ravens.

Going with the Eagles.

Philly

^ can't rep False Start, if anyone else wants to get him for me.

The Pencil Neck
07-29-2011, 05:34 PM
A winner is you!

^ can't rep False Start, if anyone else wants to get him for me.

Got him.

IDEXAN
07-29-2011, 05:37 PM
Asomugha has agreed to a five-year, $60 million deal with the Philadelphia Eagles, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6816873/nnamdi-asomugha-agrees-five-year-60-million-deal-philadelphia-eagles-source-says