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canadiantexan
04-19-2005, 09:39 PM
The addition of Phillip Buchanan will without question change the 2005 draft of the Houston Texans and their loyal mock fans. For many people thinking of or hoping for a first day conerback to one day replace Glenn this move changes their draft plans completly. Do the Texans trade up to aquire one last piece of the puzzle ?,do they trade down ,? do they take the best player available that slips to them at #13 ?, do they go offence ?, do they go defence ? With the new development and all the new choices available to us in the draft what do you the loyal Houston Texans fans think we should do in the new addition of the Texans 2005 NFL draft ?

YodAa
04-19-2005, 09:42 PM
I say we go after Troy Williamson, especially now since some people are saying he could actually be better than BMW!

BornOrange
04-19-2005, 09:42 PM
The Texans can't trade up now unless they acquired Buchanan as bait to trade up.

Giving up two draft picks for Buchanan means the Texans will be much more likely to trade down to pick up an extra pick or two.

Trapped
04-19-2005, 09:43 PM
which makes perfect sense,

trade down, draft Mark Clayton, pick up a 3rd rounder.

canadiantexan
04-19-2005, 09:44 PM
The Texans can't trade up now unless they acquired Buchanan as bait to trade up.

Giving up two draft picks for Buchanan means the Texans will be much more likely to trade down to pick up an extra pick or two.

Do they trade down was supposed to be one of the questions. Ill go edit that thanks.

nunusguy
04-19-2005, 10:00 PM
which makes perfect sense,
trade down, draft Mark Clayton, pick up a 3rd rounder.
Got that right - Clayton is better any way - not just a track guy but
a real football player. I was hoping that they took him at 13 anyway.

keyfro
04-19-2005, 10:08 PM
i totally agree...if benson doesn't fall to the 13th pick then trade down and pick up mark clayton who is the most polished reciever in the draft...and then pick up a third round pick to replace one of the picks we lost in the trade for philip to get a lineman on one side of the ball...overall i love this trade...i love the idea of us trading down for clayton...man the draft couldn't be a longer away

TexasAggie
04-19-2005, 10:16 PM
Who do they pick if they don't trade? Not that there is not a player worthy of the 13th pick just does not fit the Texans needs at that point. JMO

I never thought that the Texans would pick a RB but these moves sure make you scratch your head, as to what they are thinking. :banana: :bguitar:

dtran04
04-19-2005, 10:23 PM
Didn't CC say that they were not staying at #13? If so, this trade confirms it.

Texan in Japan
04-19-2005, 10:52 PM
With PB in the house, we certainly don't need a CB. If Benson falls we take him; if he's gone and Ware is there-we take him; if neither is there we try and trade down and p/u another pick. This assumes Meriman and DJ are both gone. A wild card for us in a trade down could be Heath Miller, Mark Clayton or David Baas.

In the third we take BPA at OL/DL/WR

Daonly
04-19-2005, 11:00 PM
Would you trade The #13 overall to the Jets for the 26th pick and Abraham then maybe and extra pick or swap picks?? Draft Matt Jones there or another WR?

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 11:01 PM
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't take Miller since we already have a TE that is injury prone and we shouldn't waste a first on another...I think the most logical approach we take for the first round is look for Benson, DJ, Merriman, Ware, and Williamson to fall to 13...If neither of them are there, we look for a trade down and look for Barron, Barnes, Pollack, Mark Clayton, or *gasp* Dan Cody...The wild card for the 13th pick would be Thomas Davis, who would make a good ILB here...

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 11:04 PM
Would you trade The #13 overall to the Jets for the 26th pick and Abraham then maybe and extra pick or swap picks?? Draft Matt Jones there or another WR?

I would make that deal in a heartbeat...Abraham would be a dominant OLB in our defense, but I don't think the Jets would do it, since that would be an incredible steal for us...At 26, I'd look Matt Jones, Sherrod White, Pollack, Dan Cody, Khalif Barnes, or Kevin Burnett...

Daonly
04-19-2005, 11:08 PM
Jets need a corner bad in the worst way!! Rogers or Pac man will surely be there for their picking.

YodAa
04-19-2005, 11:09 PM
How bout Matt Jones? He's big but fast! Only .01 slower than Troy Williamson:shocked

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 11:19 PM
True, but they could just stay at 26 and take Justin Miller or Marlin Jackson, who are just a small notch below Carlos Rogers and Pac-Man...I would be completely stoked if we got Abraham though...

wags
04-19-2005, 11:23 PM
I would be completely stoked if we got Abraham though...

Just how would we afford that?

Trapped
04-19-2005, 11:25 PM
I think we draft Troy Williamson.

So what tandem is better South Carolina's Dunta Robinson and Troy Williamson or Miami's Andre Johnson and Philip Buchanon.

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 11:31 PM
Just how would we afford that?

Severe back-loading of a new contract idonno:

Whatever CC has to do to get it done...

threetoedpete
04-19-2005, 11:40 PM
Moving down makes sense. But I believe beerlover's gonna get his wish. I think they got Ware/Thomas targeted. DJ's down side all along was point of attack. We didn't move on the Denver pick. They're going to put the nastiest d on the feild they can in '05. The "Heads will roll" comment by McClain the other day had me thinking something was going to come down. They can't fix the O-line with one draft. They're going to fix the d, et al, the pass rush. JMHO.
Makes sense to me.

beerlover
04-20-2005, 12:34 AM
threetoedpete- rock on man :thumbup

no second & one third instead of two, we can manage. afterall we did it last year and things turned out alright. I will research/formulate a new game plan for the Texans draft now that CB is no longer a need.

Grid
04-20-2005, 12:44 AM
Trade down a few spots and grab Pollack and a 3rd.

Get an interior Olineman and a young Dlineman to start grooming in the 3rd.

Drink beer and get ready for the Texans superbowl in 2006.

D-ReK
04-20-2005, 12:48 AM
You can call me crazy now, but I see us trading down for Pollack or Dan Cody, preferably Pollack, adding another 3rd, then trading back into the second targeting an O-Lineman...Either that or we just stand pat and target a tweener or WR at 13...

Grid
04-20-2005, 12:57 AM
I dont see us trading up for an Olineman.. of course.. I didnt see us trading back up into the first for a tweener last year either.

But, this is a REALLY deep draft for interior olinemen, and I think we could get good value on someone in the 3rd.

jr0ck
04-20-2005, 01:09 AM
The wild card for the 13th pick would be Thomas Davis, who would make a good ILB here

wow, i've been loving the thought of this since it dawned on me a few days ago...i just have this feeling this fits the 'surprise! jason babin' mold all to well. i would love to gave a head hunting, wood laying TD blasting peyton, mcnair/volek, and leftwich in 2005!

D-ReK
04-20-2005, 01:27 AM
It would be glorious to see Payne tie up the guard and center and see TD come unimpeded on a blitz and just annihilate Peyton or Leftwich...The thing that people knock him for is his below average coverage ability, but in you translate his coverage skills to LB, hw should at least be above average...On top of that, an ILB that runs a 4.45 would be absolutely insane...

Eyeguy
04-20-2005, 01:37 AM
Talk is that Aaron Rodgers could be in a free fall if he does not go to SF. If he falls to 13 then we can trade 13 to GB for their 1st (24) and 2nd (58). The values are close and GB needs to groom a replacement for Farve. Texans then draft Bass OL, Spears DL or M. Johnson OL @ 24, R. White WR, Mathis WR or Tuck LB @51 and JR Russell WR, Chanty DL, or L. Mitchell LB @ 73.

D-ReK
04-20-2005, 01:49 AM
Why would Green Bay trade up? They need all of their picks since they lost both of their starting OGs and their starting FS, all three of whom were in the top 10 at their relative positions...But hey, if they want to do it, I'd do it...

Texas_Thrill
04-20-2005, 03:40 AM
Ok I think we overpaid for PB. The raiders were DESPERATE to get rid of him and he was going to be a cancer in the locker room. A 2nd and 3rd is just ridiculous. I'm a huge PB fan but not for as much as we are giving up.

I think this trade is going to force us to trade down at this point. We need picks. I'd be ok at this point trading down and picking up Clayton.

I dont like the matt jones pick. I'd much rather take vincent jackson or jerome mathis who have been actually PLAYING wr.

At this point unless something GOLDEN falls in our lap....i.e. DJ probably would fall into that category and even him i'm not sure if I wouldn't just trade down and pick up Davis to play LB.

jacquescas
04-20-2005, 03:47 AM
one thing is for sure, we sure do have one of the most unpredictable front offices, i dont think anyone saw this coming, we talked about it, but we talk about every name that has trade rumors swirling around.

we obviously dont have the picks to trade up unless we start dipping into next years picks, and i think thats dangerous beacuse you never know where the pick will be.

so now we have added Buchanon and Greenwood to the defense and lost Foreman and Sharper i have to think that so far our defense is improved. First both new players are years younger than the outgoing players. Greenwood is at least as good as Foreman, and Buchanon, a starting CB who is under 25, is a better value than a 30+ year old linebacker, who isn't a pass rusher. Plus Peek is developing and we havn't completed the draft, and june 1st cuts might have some value as well, although recent history has proved not many teams use this option anymore.

royce1054
04-20-2005, 06:10 AM
i am sorry i am in london and just got my email up yesterday. Is this Buchannon deal a what if or did it happen. I would think the Raiders would want atleast a 2nd for him. They wont get a 1st. It would be nice to have a shut down coner on both sides of the ball but it kinda seems too good. Well the way i see it is every year there are trades and it seems the # keeps going up and up every year. To be honest i dont think Merriman, Benson, Johnson, Williams, Brown, spears, edwards, williams, rolle or any of the top players in this draft will be there at #13. I think we trade down add atleast 1 more pick in the top 3 rounds or we can add 2 picks if we trade down far enough. I think the Packers want Smith or Rodgers and wouold be happy with both they do need all of their picks but neither one will be there at #24 i think. I think Philly, Seattle, K.C., STL, ATL, maybe even minnesota (if they havent already traded up to get Mike WIlliams), might want to move up. There are excellent picks in the 20's to me could be better players than the top 19. We can be very flexible in that draft positions. In the 20's we could go Ware, Browner, Thurman, Burnett, Baas could go in here, then we would prob get a 2nd and we are on our way to getting the #2 WR, (depending on what we do in the 1st CB, OLB), DL, and OL.

Bayern
04-20-2005, 08:56 AM
Assuming one of the top three running backs or top three receivers doesn't drop to us. Houston should trade down, draft Mark Clayton or Matt Jones (come on.... the guy is 6'6 and runs a 4.36) somewhere around the 25th-30th, pick up a late 2nd rounder or early 3rd rounder. Then use that extra pick on a Center like Chris Spencer or a guard like Marcus Johnson. With the extra third I'd go ahead and get another prospect linebacker, or d- line help, either inside or out. Now you've got your bigger faster defense (greenwood, buchanon), your number two receiver, and more protection for Carr. Add to that the likelihood that Joppru takes the TE spot back and you've got your self quite an offense and a defense. I didn't think about this either but having that great secondary (and a great coverage linebacker in greenwood) is going to mean you can send Peek and Babin on blitzes all day long. Exciting

Davis37
04-20-2005, 09:05 AM
Assuming one of the top three running backs or top three receivers doesn't drop to us. Houston should trade down, draft Mark Clayton or Matt Jones (come on.... the guy is 6'6 and runs a 4.36) somewhere around the 25th-30th, pick up a late 2nd rounder or early 3rd rounder. Then use that extra pick on a Center like Chris Spencer or a guard like Marcus Johnson. With the extra third I'd go ahead and get another prospect linebacker, or d- line help, either inside or out. Now you've got your bigger faster defense (greenwood, buchanon), your number two receiver, and more protection for Carr. Add to that the likelihood that Joppru takes the TE spot back and you've got your self quite an offense and a defense. I didn't think about this either but having that great secondary (and a great coverage linebacker in greenwood) is going to mean you can send Peek and Babin on blitzes all day long. Exciting

Good post! :thumbup I cant wait to see how our defense plays!!! I wanna see Stevie McNair run for his life!

Sarg01
04-20-2005, 09:08 AM
True, but they could just stay at 26 and take Justin Miller or Marlin Jackson, who are just a small notch below Carlos Rogers and Pac-Man...I would be completely stoked if we got Abraham though...

That's far from certain. Most draftsperts expect 6 first round CBs this year. Most often mentioned are Titans, Cardinals, Redskins (who have two picks in front of the Jets), Chiefs, Jaguars, Ravens, Jets, Colts and Patriots. Whoever picks the #6 CB will be getting a guy like Fabian Washington, not a Justin Miller or Carlos Rogers.

Bayern
04-20-2005, 09:15 AM
Good post! :thumbup I cant wait to see how our defense plays!!! I wanna see Stevie McNair run for his life!


Thanks! I'm just really pumped about this. Its made the draft a bit clearer to me and I hope it pans out similar to that. :thumbup I forgot about Dunta's ability to blitz as well! A good secondary can really have a ripple effect for the team.

Ruttiger
04-20-2005, 09:24 AM
I still think we draft Barron at 13 if no one amazing falls (Mike Williams, Benson, etc.). This does set up a good possibility of us trading down to take Khalif Barnes and pick up a late second/early third rounder.

royce1054
04-20-2005, 09:46 AM
Now you've got your bigger faster defense (greenwood, buchanon),

Did we sign Buchannon or something? I havent heard anything about this. Can some one fill me in on this

canadiantexan
04-20-2005, 09:51 AM
Did we sign Buchannon or something? I havent heard anything about this. Can some one fill me in on this

We traded our 2nd and Cowboys 3rd for him last night.

royce1054
04-20-2005, 09:55 AM
Wow now we dont need a CB do we
so we have
#13
#78
#114
in the 1st 3 rounds right i dont have the #'s with me all the people in this country care about is Soccer and Rugby

Blake
04-20-2005, 10:07 AM
I think this makes it more clear that we will trade down.

If we stay put, we get DeMarcus Ware, or Troy Williamson. With the dark horse Thomas Davis.

Or, the more likley situation. We trade down for a 3rd, and pick up either Mark Clayton, or Marcus Spears.

nunusguy
04-20-2005, 10:08 AM
I'm on board with this trade by Cass - the more I consider it the more I like
it. If the value charts mean anything, what we are giving up with our 2nd
& 3rd = about a 6 or 7 in the second round - no big deal ! That's not much at all for a first rate CB and there may be some uncertainty on that, but its not like he's 32 or 33 - he is only 24 years old and very good chance his potential is untapped to this point. Lot of rookies just coming out are already 24.
The cap hit is minimum, but he's got 2 years left under current contract, so
that's just about right - not too long but yet multiple years so we don't have to start negotiating with him right away.
And we can still get Clayton and atleast plus a third round pick, very likely a
second. If you gotta have a Track guy like Williamson who won state 100
& 200 Meters, they will be having the annual Texas Relays in Austin soon -
there will be gobs & gobs of sprinters who are running near 10 flat in
the 100 meters - sign one of those guys. In the mean time Clayton gives us a
top notch #2 to pair with AJ and he can also run.

keyfro
04-20-2005, 10:14 AM
definitly...i love this trade...i love the idea now of trading down and picking up clayton, pollack, spears, or the top o-lineman available...in that order...clayton is the most polished reciever in this draft and would be an awesome number 2 guy to andre johnson...buchanan and d-rob give us an excellent duo for years to come once glenn retires in a couple of years...casserly looks like a genius right now

TheOgre
04-20-2005, 10:15 AM
I guess CC will trade his 2nd's from now on to avoid having to make bad selections. :heh:

Last year we consolidated our picks to get potential (at the time) playmakers in Babin and Robinson. This year we added another CB in Buchanon. That leaves our weakest areas of the team as WR2, TE, LT, C, LILB, and ROLB. I think the coaches want to see what Joppru, Wand, Peek and Earl can do this year. That leads me to believe that we will go either ILB or WR with our 1st UNLESS we deside to go for a power back and trade up (Benson or Brown).

Sarg01
04-20-2005, 10:21 AM
That leads me to believe that we will go either ILB or WR with our 1st UNLESS we deside to go for a power back and trade up (Benson or Brown).

A trade-up seems unlikely at this point. It's conceivable we might be able to get #11 or #12 for a 4th or something. #11 would be very nice, as one of the elite players should still be on the board there. Frankly though, I don't expect to see this happen.

MojoMan
04-20-2005, 10:24 AM
Just so I have this prediction on the board.

Houston trades its #13 & #73 to Arizona for its #8, and then drafts Derrick Johnson.

If it happens, I told you so; if not, I am sure this tread will fade into oblivion quickly.

hound
04-20-2005, 10:24 AM
Unless someone great drops to 13 that we want I would think we would trade down to about 19 to 24 range to pick up an extra pick. We could demand a 2nd and just not budge... There are more than one team that might want to move to 13.

If we could come out of the first with Mark Clayton or David Pollack I'd be happy... and if we came out with one of them and an extra 3rd or 2nd round pick I'd be thrilled.

keyfro
04-20-2005, 10:27 AM
i'd be happy just trading down to pick up another 3rd round...as long as we get either clayton, spears, or pollack...either one of those three guys would help us out

Sarg01
04-20-2005, 10:38 AM
Just so I have this prediction on the board.

Houston trades its #13 & #73 to Arizona for its #8, and then drafts Derrick Johnson.

If it happens, I told you so; if not, I am sure this tread will fade into oblivion quickly.

Two days ago, I would have been very happy with that. Now, it would mean passing up doing anything at all for our offense and I'm not sure it'd be worth that.

canadiantexan
04-20-2005, 10:48 AM
Now that we have traded our 2nd and 3rd for Phillip Buchanan I think we should trade down with a team who is looking to move up to select a specific player or address a team need. This way we would aquire multiple picks. Having said that I would like to see something like this:
Trade our 1st pick #13(1150) and our 4th pick #108(78) to the Eagles (Who would love to move up to select a WR ,Williams if he falls or Williamson) for the Eagles 1st pick #31(600), their 2nd pick #35(550) and their 3rd pick #95(120)

The points are close and Philly wants to trade up but if you think it's a little one sided then you could knock off our 4th and the Eagles 3rd. But if it were the trade above I would then take:


Round 1) #31 -David Baas-(G/C) he could play a little guard for us the first year and then in year two could take over for McKinny and start for 7-10 years.

Round2) #35 -One of the "tweeners" that fall to this spot- one of them is likely to fall to here with teams picking ahead looking elswhere so I say we grab one, if their gone take Crowder.

Round 3) #78 -Jerome Mathis-(WR) good speed and good hands, could be the guy to help Carr strech the feild for A.J (I also think Gaff will help do that more this year to)

Round3) #95 -Luis Castillo- If he falls and is still here because of his drug test at the combine then I say we jump all over it. If he's not there we still draft DL depth.

Well that's what I would like to see. I know the Matt jones fans are wondering why I did'nt take him when I've said we should before, so the reason I did it is after the Buchanan trade I believe we are making a move to win this year and Matt Jones is a project. Also I know that a C/G is not a sexy 1st round pick but I believe that center and tight end our are weakest offensive positions. I did not pick TE because there are non worthy and it looks like we will see Jopparu do more than hold a clip board this year.

Daonly
04-20-2005, 10:51 AM
Trade #13 and DD for The #8 and Shelton maybe throw in a 4th rounder.. then pick up the best avalible back, Benson or Williams! :thumbup

canadiantexan
04-20-2005, 10:51 AM
i'd be happy just trading down to pick up another 3rd round...as long as we get either clayton, spears, or pollack...either one of those three guys would help us out

Yeah if I did'nt put that trade with Philly up it was going to be a trade with the Rams targeting one of those guy's.

MojoMan
04-20-2005, 10:55 AM
Sarge,

I think we need a good DT more than any offensive player. I guess we still have four picks in rounds 4-7.

Even though it is my prediction that we trade up with Arizona to #8 and pick Derrick Johnson, my concern with trading up like that is it wipes out our whole first day in the draft, reducing it to one pick. I would be happy with trading up with Arizona to get Derrick Johnson, as I believe that this is currently the missing link for the Texans, assuming that the Defensive line stays healthy.

However, I remember last year. We traded away everything for Babin. I had planned to spend all day Saturday watching the draft, and then there was nothing to watch, at least as far as the Texans go. It would be greatly dissapointing to have most of the first day become moot for the Texans - AGAIN. I have been looking forward to watching the draft for a long time now, and seeing the Texans first day reduced to one pick would be somewhat of a letdown, at least from a personal entertainment perspective.

TheOgre
04-20-2005, 10:59 AM
I'm thinking that Detroit might be a trading partner at #10. We could give them either our 2006 3rd or our current 4th.

beerlover
04-20-2005, 10:59 AM
However, I remember last year. We traded away everything for Babin. I had planned to spend all day Saturday watching the draft, and then there was nothing to watch, at least as far as the Texans go. It would be greatly dissapointing to have most of the first day become moot for the Texans - AGAIN. I have been looking forward to watching the draft for a long time now, and seeing the Texans first day reduced to one pick would be somewhat of a letdown, at least from a personal entertainment perspective.

more beerlover time :party:

canadiantexan
04-20-2005, 11:00 AM
more beerlover time :party:

I'll drink to that! :thumbup

royce1054
04-20-2005, 11:01 AM
Now that we have traded our 2nd and 3rd for Phillip Buchanan I think we should trade up with a team who is looking to move up to select a specific player or address a team need. This way we would aquire multiple picks. Having said that I would like to see something like this:
Trade our 1st pick #13(1150) and our 4th pick #108(78) to the Eagles (Who would love to move up to select a WR ,Williams if he falls or Williamson) for the Eagles 1st pick #31(600), their 2nd pick #35(550) and their 3rd pick #95(120)

The points are close and Philly wants to trade up but if you think it's a little one sided then you could knock off our 4th and the Eagles 3rd. But if it were the trade above I would then take:


Round 1) #31 -David Baas-(G/C) he could play a little guard for us the first year and then in year two could take over for McKinny and start for 7-10 years.

Round2) #35 -One of the "tweeners" that fall to this spot- one of them is likely to fall to here with teams picking ahead looking elswhere so I say we grab one, if their gone take Crowder.

Round 3) #78 -Jerome Mathis-(WR) good speed and good hands, could be the guy to help Carr strech the feild for A.J (I also think Gaff will help do that more this year to)

Round3) #95 -Luis Castillo- If he falls and is still here because of his drug test at the combine then I say we jump all over it. If he's not there we still draft DL depth.

Well that's what I would like to see. I know the Matt jones fans are wondering why I did'nt take him when before I've said we should before, so the reason I did it is after the Buchanan trade I believe we are making a move to win this year and Matt Jones is a project. Also I know that a C/G is not a sexy 1st round pick but I believe that center and tight end our are weakest offensive positions. I did not pick TE because there are non worthy and it looks like we will see Jopparu do more than hold a clip board this year.

I agree with youon this completely. There is no way that we stay at 13. Any team between 15 and 24 seems like a good place to trade too even the philly would be a dream trade. I do think that Philly wants Mike Williams... they will have to seriously over pay to get him because Minnesota, Chicago and Philly possibliy even washington would love to have him since gardener is going to be traded. If we get the 31 if baas is there we take him i think. 35 i think we should OLB. Yes u can quote me on this no WR in 1st 2 rounds. I never thought i would say this. This trade does change alot. 78 we go WR. I think the `texans would have a very positive draft. We could also flip flop and take Brown or Gibson then just play peek which now looks like what they are going to do.

canadiantexan
04-20-2005, 11:10 AM
I agree with youon this completely. There is no way that we stay at 13. Any team between 15 and 24 seems like a good place to trade too even the philly would be a dream trade. I do think that Philly wants Mike Williams... they will have to seriously over pay to get him because Minnesota, Chicago and Philly possibliy even washington would love to have him since gardener is going to be traded.

Thats why I think if they dont get him they will over pay for Williamson.

If we get the 31 if baas is there we take him i think.

Him this year and a big OT next year when there will be good ones and D.C. will be a happy man.
35 i think we should OLB. Yes u can quote me on this no WR in 1st 2 rounds. I never thought i would say this. This trade does change alot. 78 we go WR. I think the `texans would have a very positive draft. We could also flip flop and take Brown or Gibson then just play peek which now looks like what they are going to do.

Certainly is an interesting turn of events is'nt it?

jacquescas
04-20-2005, 11:43 AM
I think unless one of the 3 running backs, 3 top wide outs, or 2 top linebackers we should trade down and aquire more picks. I think those 8 are the ones we will target. If we trade down i see us moving somewhere between the 15 and 24 spot.

royce1054
04-20-2005, 12:06 PM
i dont think there is a way that we stay at 13 now. Unless Merriman or Johnson slips which i doubt both will if you add the trades that will happen.i believe there is a 99% chance we will trade down. That 1% is Johnson or Merriman

cadahnic
04-20-2005, 12:12 PM
OK people I have seen alot of thoughts and some of them good some are ridiculous. It seems that with this trade we will trade down if T. Williamson falls to us so that we can pick up the EAgles first and two second rounders for our first and 4th the value would be there. After we make that trade then we take someone like Baas or Brown if he is available. After that our two second rounders we will take the best available LB prospect maybe a Daryl Blackstock or Odell Thurman. The next would be a high profile receiver like Reggie Brown or Matt Jones eventhough I think Jerome Mathis is gonna be a stud in this league just watch the tapes on him at the all-star game he is lightning. I have not seen someone this fast since darrell Green. Then in the third we grab Stanford Routt who is also lightning even though I would rather get him in the fourth and get CAstillo or a big DE to help our pathetic line. After that we all take a break and wait till sunday to see what CAss pulls out his *** as a sleeper.

canadiantexan
04-20-2005, 02:53 PM
It all depends on Williamson falling to us and wether the Eagles are willing to make a deal if they hav'nt made one by then but it could be a very much improved team as of Saturday.

royce1054
04-20-2005, 04:01 PM
It all depends on Williamson falling to us and wether the Eagles are willing to make a deal if they hav'nt made one by then but it could be a very much improved team as of Saturday.

Well what i see is Minnesota will offer its #7 and #18 (i think) picks to Cleveland. Philly will offer 31,35, and a 3rd to make it much more prettier. I think Minnesota will win out on that deal. I heard a link from nflfans.com from the Redskins GM sayin they wont move from #9. I think that either Detriot or Texans will be the team that Philly deals with. Their is also Seattle who will trade Alexander and will be looking at either Benson, or WIlliams. KC might want to move up and get Pac-Man who seems to be sliding. Carolina might offer a trade so we dont offer the pick to STL so STL can take Barron. There is alot of what ifs here. Only time will tell but i think the only thing we do know Johnson & merriman will be gone so that almost makes it a 100% trade down to me.

canadiantexan
04-20-2005, 04:15 PM
. Only time will tell but i think the only thing we do know Johnson & merriman will be gone so that almost makes it a 100% trade down to me.

Agreed next year we trade lower and grab that "last piece of the puzzle"

royce1054
04-20-2005, 04:26 PM
Agreed next year we trade lower and grab that "last piece of the puzzle"

Lets see what players are on the last year of their contract. Who are the higher paid players on that list. Who could be a cap casuality next year. I dont know that we are already at the last peice i think we are 2-3 years off from the "last Peice" but i like the optimisticness. I do however think with addtion on Buchannon we are a playoff team. I do think we can hang with the Indy's of the world. I think we have a serious chance at the the Division. We have address the defense minus a OLB and d-line depth other than that we need to improve the offense.

DRIFTAWAY
04-20-2005, 04:55 PM
Unless someone significant falls to us(excluding Troy Williamson- trust me, just hear me out) we trade down. Reason I say excluding Williamson is because Philly might be willing to overpay for him, if he is the last Wr available out of the top 3. We trade #13 to Philly for #31 and #35. At #31 we take David Baas(will help O-line indefinently) Than at #35 we could take Roddy White. ( extremely fast wr, and good size)

royce1054
04-20-2005, 04:58 PM
Unless someone significant falls to us(excluding Troy Williamson- trust me, just hear me out) we trade down. Reason I say excluding Williamson is because Philly might be willing to overpay for him, if he is the last Wr available out of the top 3. We trade #13 to Philly for #31 and #35. At #31 we take David Baas(will help O-line indefinently) Than at #35 we could take Roddy White. ( extremely fast wr, and good size)

I only wish Roddy White would get past The Ravens at #20 (i am not sure of the pick exactly might be 21).

DRIFTAWAY
04-20-2005, 05:02 PM
If not, than Matt Jones at 35.

DRIFTAWAY
04-20-2005, 05:04 PM
How exciting will that make the texans next yr?! Buchanon is a real exciting player to watch at times, D-Rob, Bigger/Faster Defense, than a more geled togethor offense, and Matt Jones.

royce1054
04-20-2005, 05:07 PM
well another thing we could do is trade the pick to the Rams. I am sure the Rams would love to take the chance on Barron instead of Barnes. We would only get a 3rd rounder. prob the #70 pick. Not as good as the Philly deal but this one is a little more realistic. Then we could go White at #19 then we wouldnt pick again til 70 and we could go ILB or OLB then at 78 OL

royce1054
04-20-2005, 05:09 PM
How exciting will that make the texans next yr?! Buchanon is a real exciting player to watch at times, D-Rob, Bigger/Faster Defense, than a more geled togethor offense, and Matt Jones.

I actually think with the addition of Buchannon we are a playoff team. Our 2ndary should be one of the best in the league. I think it will depend on our D-lline doing what we know they can and seeing the Texans LB core do what the Texans hope they can. I think our offense will be much improved with another year of experience.

infantrycak
04-20-2005, 05:17 PM
well another thing we could do is trade the pick to the Rams. I am sure the Rams would love to take the chance on Barron instead of Barnes. We would only get a 3rd rounder. prob the #70 pick. Not as good as the Philly deal but this one is a little more realistic. Then we could go White at #19 then we wouldnt pick again til 70 and we could go ILB or OLB then at 78 OL

Why would the Rams move up to take Barron instead of hanging tight and getting Brown?

royce1054
04-20-2005, 05:22 PM
Why would the Rams move up to take Barron instead of hanging tight and getting Brown?

Well wouldnt that be an upgrade from Brown dont u think. I am sure they would like to have Barron instead of Brown. Do you think that its the other way around. I would think moving from the #2 OT to the #1 in the draft and move up 6 spots and give one of your 2 #3 would be a good price for them.

infantrycak
04-20-2005, 05:36 PM
Well wouldnt that be an upgrade from Brown dont u think. I am sure they would like to have Barron instead of Brown. Do you think that its the other way around. I would think moving from the #2 OT to the #1 in the draft and move up 6 spots and give one of your 2 #3 would be a good price for them.

Well, except they really play two different positions. Barron has been and is projected to be a LT. Brown is a RT who might be able to play LT. The Rams have Pace on a brand new huge contract at LT. They lost Turley at RT. So the biggest tackle need is RT. Why pay extra to get a LT to come in and play what really is a different position when you can stand pat and probably get the top guy at RT?

royce1054
04-20-2005, 05:39 PM
Yeah but i dont see why he cant play the RT side. This might just be the older fashion thinking of me. But if you can have 2 shut down tackles but just have to switch him to the other side i dont see why he cant make that adjustment.

infantrycak
04-20-2005, 05:44 PM
Yeah but i dont see why he cant play the RT side. This might just be the older fashion thinking of me. But if you can have 2 shut down tackles but just have to switch him to the other side i dont see why he cant make that adjustment.

But the question goes back to why do it? Maybe Barron can convert to RT (probably delaying his immediate impact) but why give up draft picks to make that move? I mean unless you have a top five pick you can almost always say there is someone better above. Just don't see Barron getting drafted to spend more than a year at RT--and on the Rams, it would virtually be a career.

D-ReK
04-20-2005, 05:47 PM
The only way the Rams would even consider trading up to 13 would be if Barron got taken in the top 10 and they fear a team like Carolina or New Orleans would take Jammal Brown, but that's not likely to happen, so I think they'll stay at 19...

royce1054
04-20-2005, 05:50 PM
Well that was one i was thought was on the list because when i heard about the Philly deal i brought it up over here and was trying to see what people thought of it. It has really picked up but i think it is a trade that might not happen to me its kinda wishful thinking, I was thinking maybe KC would want to trade up.. maybe Seattle if a RB fails, Maybe the Bengals have their eye on DE or Davis and want to go after him, the last one i was thinking maybe Vikings want to trade up and make sure they get Thomas Davis.. that could be an interesting deal. I am sure there is atleast 1 or 2 more teams that want to move up and i just havent thought of it yet.

royce1054
04-20-2005, 05:53 PM
The only way the Rams would even consider trading up to 13 would be if Barron got taken in the top 10 and they fear a team like Carolina or New Orleans would take Jammal Brown, but that's not likely to happen, so I think they'll stay at 19...

Well yeah the chances of that happening bc of Lions having their OT taken last year. I have heard from a cowgirls fan that he believed they would go O-line in the 1st round. I just kind of blew it off and didnt listen to it but those are the only 2 teams that i even heard of an O-line that early.

royce1054
04-20-2005, 05:56 PM
well what about this... Lets say Tenneesee trades #6 pick to N.O. for the #16 and some other picks. THe saints take DJ

#14 the panthers would take Barron then the Titans i am sure would take a look at Brown.

utahmark
04-20-2005, 06:16 PM
i think we will get a linebacker now. probably ware. that should give us a stong defense. maybe get olineman in the 3rd and 4th round.

royce1054
04-20-2005, 06:22 PM
I agree on the defense thing. Its just we can get Ware at #13 he will be there. Dont you think that is kind of early for him though.

PapaL
04-20-2005, 06:38 PM
Everyone talks about trading, but if everyone wants to trade down, no one will be able to trade down. The most important part of trading down is finding someone to trade with, then comes the actual deal. Just my 2 cents worth.

Wolf
04-20-2005, 06:40 PM
wow, i've been loving the thought of this since it dawned on me a few days ago...i just have this feeling this fits the 'surprise! jason babin' mold all to well. i would love to gave a head hunting, wood laying TD blasting peyton, mcnair/volek, and leftwich in 2005!

and he could drop back into coverage if needed :heh: :hmmm:

Wolf
04-20-2005, 06:43 PM
if we traded down, I hope we could gain a 2nd back or at the very least a 3rd.

I wouldn't mind if we traded down and got Bass or if not him we worked something out to get Wilkerson in the 3rd.

I am really hoping we get a legit Center this year to groom.