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TheTim5125
04-19-2005, 08:30 PM
I just saw on the ESPNNEWS bottom line Oak agrees to trade us CB Buchanan.. any other do tell...

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 08:35 PM
WTF?!?! Why would we trade for Phillip Buchanan? Hasn't he been a disappointment in Oakland, and hasn't he been classified as a "cancer" (I hate that term but couldn't come up with a better one)...I'm not sure what we gave up for him, but hopefully it wasn't more that a 3rd rounder since we could probably draft a CB in the 2nd or 3rd that would be better than him...

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 08:36 PM
are you sure it was Houston? and on T.V. or the site if so provide a link?

TheTim5125
04-19-2005, 08:37 PM
It was on TV... ESPN News

281
04-19-2005, 08:37 PM
I saw this... I'm freaking out. I wanna see what we gave up...

C Madd
04-19-2005, 08:37 PM
I just saw it on the ticker on ESPN. Please don't tell me we gave up a first rounder for him.

Vinny
04-19-2005, 08:37 PM
It was a newscrawl on espn news.

GLM
04-19-2005, 08:39 PM
I saw this on the ESPN Ticker also. I can't find any other information.

WildBlackBear32
04-19-2005, 08:40 PM
I hope its just one of our 3rd rounders...

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 08:40 PM
If its true and not a mis type then horrible trade.....i mean come on didnt andre run him over when we played them like twice??? it was awesome. and he USED to be good not anymore. to me hes a guy with a bad attitude that i doubt the texans would want on there team...hhmmm interesting

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 08:40 PM
Sweet Jesus, i hope it is true, no offense guys but i HATE P-Burnt, he is horrible !

WildBlackBear32
04-19-2005, 08:40 PM
If its true and not a mis type then horrible trade.....i mean come on didnt andre run him over when we played them like twice??? it was awesome. and he USED to be good not anymore. to me hes a guy with a bad attitude that i doubt the texans would want on there team...hhmmm interesting

USED to be good?? He's like 26...

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 08:41 PM
hes not on the roster....i know its early lol but it makes me feel a bit better

Errant Hothy
04-19-2005, 08:42 PM
Damn!!! Work just got really interesting.

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 08:42 PM
A draft pick maybe ? First Rounder (im wishing) :D ?

Fiddy
04-19-2005, 08:43 PM
A draft pick maybe ? First Rounder (im wishing) :D ?HA!!!! :rofl:

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 08:43 PM
I heard tell that Washington was interested in trading the 25th overall pick to Oakland for him, though I'm not sure how true that is...If it was true though, I fear we may have given the 13th overall to them...

If I had to guess though, I'd say we gave them the 47th...

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 08:44 PM
"USED to be good?? He's like 26..."

yea true but hes lost a step or two....IMO i dont consider him a top DB in the leauge still. IMO

Errant Hothy
04-19-2005, 08:45 PM
IF they gave up the 13th pick I'm gonna scream right here on the floor of my job!!!!

SoCalRaider
04-19-2005, 08:45 PM
We ain't trading him for anything less than a 1st... :mad:

WildBlackBear32
04-19-2005, 08:45 PM
"USED to be good?? He's like 26..."

yea true but hes lost a step or two....IMO i dont consider him a top DB in the leauge still. IMO

He hasnt even reached his potential yet, nor was he ever even the top DB on his team, let alone the league.

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 08:48 PM
We ain't trading him for anything less than a 1st... :mad:
Oh please, we are lucky enough someone took him off our hands...

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 08:48 PM
"USED to be good?? He's like 26..."

yea true but hes lost a step or two....IMO i dont consider him a top DB in the leauge still. IMO

:rofl: How could a 3 year vet who hasn't had any leg injuries lose a step or two?

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 08:48 PM
woooooooo oooopps lol soooo sry i heard raiders and woodsoon poped in my head....my bad

Fiddy
04-19-2005, 08:49 PM
We ain't trading him for anything less than a 1st... :mad:
Get ready to be disappointed then because there is no way Casserly traded the 13th overall pick for a player that was selected 17th in his draft and hasnt been that great on the field.


Unless Casserly doesnt like anyone at the top of the draft... :hmmm:

aj.
04-19-2005, 08:50 PM
I heard tell that Washington was interested in trading the 25th overall pick to Oakland for him, though I'm not sure how true that is...If it was true though, I fear we may have given the 13th overall to them...

If I had to guess though, I'd say we gave them the 47th...

Washington owns the 9th overall and expressed no interest in trading it to the Raiders (which happens to have no 1st round pick) for Buchanan.

SoCalRaider
04-19-2005, 08:50 PM
Oh please, we are lucky enough someone took him off our hands...
You don't just give away a very solid starting CB in his rookie deal... D.Walker is a joke and the guy from the Cardinals is a nickel back at best. The Raiders are going to have a hell of a void to fill and not a lot of cap room to do it.

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 08:50 PM
my bad guys i was thinking of woodsoon, i dont know anything bout Buchanan my bad

Vinny
04-19-2005, 08:51 PM
CONFIRMED via 610am Houston radio. Two picks undisclosed right now. Not going to include the 13th overall.

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 08:51 PM
Washington owns the 9th overall and expressed no interest in trading it to the Raiders (who happen to have no 1st round pick) for Buchanan.

They traded for the 25th today, so they have the 9th and 25th...

610 is reporting that it was for two draft picks, neither being the 13th overall pick...I guess this was the move to get us past the Colts...

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 08:51 PM
is he any good? lol sry for a dumb question just dont know enough bout him

Errant Hothy
04-19-2005, 08:52 PM
The trade is fo sure legit http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2041266

Still no details though

Would 3a and 4 work, but it's probaly one of next years picks.

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 08:52 PM
You don't just give away a very solid starting CB in his rookie deal... D.Walker is a joke and the guy from the Cardinals is a nickel back at best. The Raiders are going to have a hell of a void to fill and not a lot of cap room to do it.
He isnt a solid CB,he cant tackle, he gets INT evey once in a while but the guy gives up 10x more TD's than INT's... (sorry Texans fans , but just what i have seen last couple of years)

SoCalRaider
04-19-2005, 08:53 PM
Get ready to be disappointed then because there is no way Casserly traded the 13th overall pick for a player that was selected 17th in his draft and hasnt been that great on the field.


Unless Casserly doesnt like anyone at the top of the draft... :hmmm:With the front 7 the Raiders have put on the field the last few years, not even Charles Woodson looked that great. Put Phillip Buchanon on a team like the Eagles or Ravens, and he'll be a Pro Bowler.

threetoedpete
04-19-2005, 08:53 PM
Well there's your blockbuster. Still hold the thirteeneth. Oakland gets some picks. Sports 610 reports they've just picked up CB Phillip Buchannan.

Fiddy
04-19-2005, 08:55 PM
Buchanan will probably free up a roster spot because I think he also plays KR/PR


Bye-Bye Moses...

SoCalRaider
04-19-2005, 08:55 PM
Radio reporting 2 draft picks were involved... neither was the 13th pick.

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 08:55 PM
lol 2 raider fans arguing on a texans message board...priceless but seriously how good is he? and y would we trade for im assuming a high profile player when we have robinson and glenn....even though glenn is gettin old

aj.
04-19-2005, 08:56 PM
I bet it's a second and one of the thirds. One good thing is he comes cheap.

PB (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302181)

Errant Hothy
04-19-2005, 08:56 PM
So if they wre going to trade for P.B. why did they sign Swinton? Not so sure if Moses still won't be competing for a spot of the summer.

titan hater
04-19-2005, 08:57 PM
here is the article espn has posted...

Cornerback Phillip Buchanon, the Oakland Raiders first-round pick in the 2002 who had fallen out of favor with coaches and club officials in recent months, was traded to the Houston Texans on Tuesday night, ESPN.com has learned.

Details on what the Raiders received in return were not yet available.

The Raiders have been shopping Buchanon for weeks and discussed a possible deal with the Washington Redskins during the past week. Oakland also has been attempting to locate a suitor for its other starting cornerback, Charles Woodson, but hasn't found any takers.

Buchanon, 24, was the 17th player selected overall in the 2002 draft. While the former University of Miami star had slipped in the eyes of the Raiders, other teams felt he still retained playmaking skills and return abilities. In 14 starts last season, he had 59 tackles and three interceptions.

Another attractive element for the Texans is Buchanon's youth and his experience in a system that stressed a considerable degree of man-to-man coverage.

The Texans already have one outstanding young cornerback in Dunta Robinson, one of their two first-rounders in 2004 and a player many felt was the best rookie defender in the NFL last season. Their other starting corner, 11-year veteran Aaron Glenn, will turn 33 this summer. The trade ensures the Texans are prepared for the future at one of the game's high-commodity positions.

In 36 appearances with the Raiders, Buchanon totaled 122 tackles, 11 interceptions and 13 passes defensed. He returned four interceptions for touchdowns, at least one in every season of his brief career. He is also a dangerous punt returner, averaging 11.0 yards with three touchdowns on 72 runbacks.

Buchanon still has two years remaining on his original rookie deal, with base salaries of $700,000 for 2005 and $800,000 for 2006.

SoCalRaider
04-19-2005, 08:57 PM
He isnt a solid CB,he cant tackle, he gets INT evey once in a while but the guy gives up 10x more TD's than INT's... (sorry Texans fans , but just what i have seen last couple of years)
Deion Sanders couldn't tackle either. How many touchdowns did Buchanon give up over the last 8 games of the regular season?

TheTim5125
04-19-2005, 08:57 PM
Ok so the way i see it... he has 2 years remaining on his rookie contract $600,000 and $800,000 which i guess is not bad for a 3rd CB is he a solid nickel CB?

Fiddy
04-19-2005, 08:58 PM
Glenn is probably gone after this year...

YodAa
04-19-2005, 08:58 PM
Heres the link! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2041266)

I'm happy as long as we didn't give up the 13th. I guess someone will be moving to SS. Only bad thing bout this is that now the Texans have less of chance of drafting Thomas Davis (Bad for me)

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 08:58 PM
intersting...so how many of yall think this is a good trade?

texan279
04-19-2005, 08:58 PM
Didn't we sign a nickelback a few weeks ago? Anyone think one of our CB's could be on his way out?

Vinny
04-19-2005, 08:59 PM
We are going to have some kind of secondary for the new no touch era. Dunta, Glenn, Buchannon, and Faggins can man up on any 4-WR combos.

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 08:59 PM
lol 2 raider fans arguing on a texans message board...priceless but seriously how good is he? and y would we trade for im assuming a high profile player when we have robinson and glenn....even though glenn is gettin old
He was solid his Rookie year, he got hurt and it went all down hill, he was getting good at returning punts and INts for TD's, but the guy is lazy, he doesnt work out, he causes alot of BS with the coaches, he cant tackle, he gives up too many big plays , IMO he will be a great nickle back, you guys got good CBs in Robison and Glenn, no way in hell he will beat them out for the job..

TheTim5125
04-19-2005, 08:59 PM
I'm not opposed to it.. i just hope we didn't give a 2 for him.. I think he'll be a solid nickel guy

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 09:00 PM
wow sounds good and speakin of faggins.....do we still have jason simmons or not?

SoCalRaider
04-19-2005, 09:00 PM
lol 2 raider fans arguing on a texans message board...priceless but seriously how good is he? and y would we trade for im assuming a high profile player when we have robinson and glenn....even though glenn is gettin oldBuchanon's game has come a long way this past season. 2 years ago he was picked on routinely. He was not very impressive in the 1st half of 2004, but in the 2nd half of the season he really picked his play in terms of both range and consistency. I think he's on pace to be a heck of a corner in this league. I'll be interested to see what the Raiders got in exchange.

Errant Hothy
04-19-2005, 09:00 PM
This is an odd trade, with the guy we signed in FA + Faggins now + Buchanon + Glenn + D-Rob somebodies gotta be going, don't they?

Rovator
04-19-2005, 09:00 PM
he should make a good nickelback. By the time his contract is up we should know if he's good enough to take over glenn's spot.

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 09:01 PM
Deion Sanders couldn't tackle either. How many touchdowns did Buchanon give up over the last 8 games of the regular season?
We were ranked 30th in pass D, he lead the team with most penelties in the secondary, last 8 games he gave up countless TD' ... where you watching the same guy ?

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 09:01 PM
610 says it was for 47 and 78...

titan hater
04-19-2005, 09:01 PM
i think this says Bye-Bye to JJ Moses...

threetoedpete
04-19-2005, 09:01 PM
I bet it's a second and one of the thirds. One good thing is he comes cheap.

No great loss if it's the second. We ain't had much luck with them anyway. Anyone got a defensive splits link ? Their reporting their own 47 & the 78th. Starter at corner, very nice job CC.

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 09:02 PM
haha never know maybe this will be the big motivation JJ needs.....cough "hes in trouble" cough lol

ojthecat
04-19-2005, 09:05 PM
I think this is a great trade. Look we have to have a way to stop freaking Payton. We need more cb's and db's. This tells me that CC is thinking that we are ready for a real push to the playoffs. Won't suprise me if we make another deal and either move up or trade 13 for a WR or RB.

SoCalRaider
04-19-2005, 09:05 PM
We were ranked 30th in pass DWeak point. Pass defense is a function of a pass rush and coverage in the secondary. The Raiders breakdowns in pass defense were a function of an inability to rush the passer and cover TEs.



he lead the team with most penelties in the secondary
Charles Woodson had 7... Buchanon had 2. What are you talking about?



last 8 games he gave up countless TD'I've got tapes of 6 of the last 8 games. Feel free to point me to which games you have in mind I'll look them up right now.



... where you watching the same guy ?Apparently not.

titan hater
04-19-2005, 09:06 PM
dont think its a bad deal if they give up a 3rd. anything more would be just plain dumb...they must think glenn is done for...

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 09:06 PM
OR DERRICK JOHNSON!!!!.......i dream too. sigh

SoCalRaider
04-19-2005, 09:07 PM
No great loss if it's the second. We ain't had much luck with them anyway. Anyone got a defensive splits link ? Their reporting their own 47 & the 78th. Starter at corner, very nice job CC.Is that your second and third of this year?

YodAa
04-19-2005, 09:09 PM
So we lost47 and 78?

texan279
04-19-2005, 09:10 PM
Now we can trade up to take DJ or a WR and then add depth with the rest of our picks... :hmmm:

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 09:10 PM
If it is for the 2nd and 3rd rounder , i like this trade, Raiders can fill the need at LBs through the draft while you guys add a playmaker for your knickle slot..

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 09:11 PM
Derrick johnson sounds good....hhhmmm

aj.
04-19-2005, 09:11 PM
Is that your second and third of this year? It's our second and the lower of our two 3rd rounders.

Even a 2 and a 3 is ok in my book. We still have our #1 and #73 - that's two picks on Day 1. Normally you have three but we had four thanks to the Henson deal which in part, makes this possible. Consider Buchanon a Day 1 pick and now we don't have to worry about CB on Day 1. Raider fans in here arguing about it tells me everything is ok with this.

Capers and Casserly aren't dumb about locker room chemistry. It wouldn't surprise me if they talked to Glenn ahead of time about this.

BornOrange
04-19-2005, 09:12 PM
I really liked him coming out of college. If he just needed a change in scenary then this could be a great trade. I am sure that Casserly and Capers made sure he wouldn't be a cancer here.

The best part of the whole deal could be that he has two years left on his rookie contract and is only due $700K and $800K the next two years.

Lenny P's article from ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2041266)

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 09:13 PM
does anyone know how his attitude is? good or bad like a TO or Aj type attitude?

threetoedpete
04-19-2005, 09:14 PM
So we lost47 and 78?

Yes and like Vinny said we can now match up with any four in the league. You're right sad for me no DJ,Chriss Spencer, David Bass, grr. Still a very nice Job.

SoCalRaider
04-19-2005, 09:14 PM
I'll need to sleep on this... all I know is that the Chiefs were offering a 4th for Surtain and we just got a 2nd and 3rd for Buchanon.

If Chief fan just got bent over, then I by definition must be happy... I guess.

tacoman_j
04-19-2005, 09:14 PM
that what we needed and got in this deal. Texans must not be too impressed with talent in this draft. As long as we dont give up 13th pick Im happy. We don't have great track record @ 2nd and 3rd round anyway. Plus, for two years , he is probably making Demarcus Faggins like money. Good deal!!! Using line from immortal hulk Hogan . Yo Indy, what you gonna do when the TExans run all over you!!! Now somehow get Ced Benson, and offseason is complete.

titan hater
04-19-2005, 09:15 PM
does anyone know how his attitude is? good or bad like a TO or Aj type attitude?

those two are like rush limbaugh vs al gore....

Fiddy
04-19-2005, 09:15 PM
does anyone know how his attitude is? good or bad like a TO or Aj type attitude?
Buchanan is a regular Miami Hurricane. Loud, Proud and Cocky.

AJ maybe the last of his kind to come out of Miami.

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 09:15 PM
only thing i remember is one game he threw off his helmet after a big Int or PR, and threw it from the feild to the sideline or sumtin, and got a penalty in an important part of the game.... could make a couple bonehead plays like that but otherwise i really like the speed this kid has..

Fiddy
04-19-2005, 09:17 PM
only thing i remember is one game he threw off his helmet after a big Int or PR, and threw it from the feild to the sideline or sumtin, and got a penalty in an important part of the game.... could make a couple bonehead plays like that but otherwise i really like the speed this kid has..
I remember that, too. Against KC after a big PR.

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 09:18 PM
lol k not so bad not great we'll see if houston turns him into an athlete people love or an athlete people love to hate

aj.
04-19-2005, 09:18 PM
does anyone know how his attitude is? good or bad like a TO or Aj type attitude?

It doesn't matter anymore because Jon Hoke is now his position coach and he won't take sh!t from anyone.

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 09:18 PM
only thing i remember is one game he threw off his helmet after a big Int or PR, and threw it from the feild to the sideline or sumtin, and got a penalty in an important part of the game.... could make a couple bonehead plays like that but otherwise i really like the speed this kid has.. Yea he almost broke the Punt for a TD, but came short, he took off his helmet to sort of jeer up the fans in arrowhead and was called for a penilty, taking us out of field goal range :(

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 09:19 PM
sounds like a done deal to me!

FatBoyTim
04-19-2005, 09:21 PM
This is why the Texans will go no where. Horrible move. And it only reflects what he has done to date. Mistake after mistake. Glenn is a June 1 cut for sure now. Desparation move. He has to win soon to save him and capers. This is the day things change in Houston. I predict the end is coming for the expansion staff of this team

C Madd
04-19-2005, 09:22 PM
Am I the only one slightly upset with this trade? I think the 2nd and 3rd round picks could have been used to draft pressing needs in our defense (LB, DL) or offense (OL, WR). I think Buchanon has lots of potential, but did we really need to address the problem of corner this year and give up the 2nd and 3rd rounders?

tiger06
04-19-2005, 09:22 PM
All I can say is WOW! You never know what to expect with Casserly, huh? :woot

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 09:24 PM
yea thats true, cornerback reall wasnt a pressin need yet and we coulda used some other players else were but im not sure if im happy with this trade or not....we'll see

Vinny
04-19-2005, 09:25 PM
Greenwood and Buchannon are both as fast as they come at their positions. We are obviously looking to upgrade speed for sure this off-season.

Trapped
04-19-2005, 09:25 PM
He takes up two positions for our team, and we have to account for the future and Aaron Glenn possibly being injured. I like this trade.

True we could of drafted Chris Spencer, but are we even sure that the 3rd rounder we draft may even make the team. Some candidates were Bartell, Roby, Adam Seward, Chris Canty. Those guys are projects? Why not go for a sure number 2CB who is still improving in PB. He's 24 and comes cheap, why not.

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 09:25 PM
After digesting this for a little bit, I think that Jon Hoke will be able to straighten him out and get him to be the best CB he can be...I'm not sure he has the best head on his shoulders, but giving up the 47th and 78th pick in this draft isn't that bad IMO...The only problem I have is that now a trade up is out of the question unless we trade future picks (bad idea IMO)...I think this trade makes it more likely that we trade down if our guy isn't there at 13 though...

ojthecat
04-19-2005, 09:27 PM
This is why the Texans will go no where. Horrible move. And it only reflects what he has done to date. Mistake after mistake. Glenn is a June 1 cut for sure now. Desparation move. He has to win soon to save him and capers. This is the day things change in Houston. I predict the end is coming for the expansion staff of this team

Horrible move??? What are you taking about. In this league and in our division you must have 2 shutdown corners. This gives up DR on oneside and PB on the other this is great we can now go after a RB and or a WR and we are a real threat to make the playoffs. This year and next and the next. This is GREAT

WildBlackBear32
04-19-2005, 09:27 PM
After digesting this for a little bit, I think that Jon Hoke will be able to straighten him out and get him to be the best CB he can be...I'm not sure he has the best head on his shoulders, but giving up the 47th and 78th pick in this draft isn't that bad IMO...The only problem I have is that now a trade up is out of the question unless we trade future picks (bad idea IMO)...I think this trade makes it more likely that we trade down if our guy isn't there at 13 though...

Trading down would be absolutely fantastic now.

Fiddy
04-19-2005, 09:29 PM
If we can add Spears, Merriman or Ware, our defensive unit can be deadly next year...

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 09:29 PM
didnt we run all over him when we played oakland? if im not mistakened Aj just put his shoulder down and let ihm have it....not a shutdown corner to me IMO but i can very well be wrong

WildBlackBear32
04-19-2005, 09:30 PM
didnt we run all over him when we played oakland? if im not mistakened Aj just put his shoulder down and let ihm have it....not a shutdown corner to me IMO but i can very well be wrong

There are about 3 shutdown corners in the entire NFL. People really need to stop using that term.

Texans Pride
04-19-2005, 09:30 PM
Cornerback Phillip Buchanon, the Oakland Raiders first-round pick in the 2002 draft who had fallen out of favor with coaches and club officials in recent months, was traded to the Houston Texans on Tuesday night, ESPN.com has learned.

The Raiders received second- and third-round choices in this year's draft.

This article confirms the picks. . .

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2041266

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 09:31 PM
Horrible move??? What are you taking about. In this league and in our division you must have 2 shutdown corners. This gives up DR on oneside and PB on the other this is great we can now go after a RB and or a WR and we are a real threat to make the playoffs. This year and next and the next. This is GREAT
Im sorry to tell you this, but PB isnt a shutdown corner, people in the AFC WEST including the Raiders fans nick named him P-Burnt. But i will say this, if your D-Line can get pressure, he will catch the ball if tiped or is just a force out throw..... great in zone coverage, but it would be crazy to leave him out thier without safety help...

,this year Andre Johnson destroyed him, if you remeber that monday night game agianst the Packers 2 years ago, he gave up all the TDs in that game..

Fiddy
04-19-2005, 09:32 PM
There are about 3 shutdown corners in the entire NFL. People really need to stop using that term.No, there are exactly zero shutdown CBs in the league. Dieon Sanders was the first, last and only shudown CB in NFL history. No CB in this league takes away half the field.

Trapped
04-19-2005, 09:32 PM
I think the Texans draft Marcus Spears now, or should. Or we can sit back and see what other moves Casserly has up his sleeves.

texman8
04-19-2005, 09:34 PM
Wow! Aggressive move. Wish we didn't give up 3rd round pick,though. This makes #13 pick more important( no busts pls.) Maybe, Texans will look to trade down to pick up an extra pick.

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 09:35 PM
If we can add Spears, Merriman or Ware, our defensive unit can be deadly next year...
i hope dallas passes on Ware cause i see him falling farther than say Merrimen, and if we could trade down and grab him i would be happy

Shader
04-19-2005, 09:36 PM
Guys this was a horrible move for the Texans. They could have drafted any number of cornerbacks in the 2nd round that could turn out just as well or better than Buchanon. Now you get a head case that can't cover anyone, and you lost a 3rd rounder as well. Although you proved last year how little you value draft picks when you got ripped off by the Titans for Jason Babin, an average linebacker/defensive end/whatever.....one thing he's not is worth 3 draft picks...

Randy Starks will make you regret that trade for a long, long time.

Youngstown Colt
04-19-2005, 09:37 PM
My two cents:

BAD MOVE! A young team losing a second AND a third for someone who isn't of the best character, and has a large ego, is not a good thing. Now you have one impact draft pick this year, and this is a draft filled with unsure players.

As a colts fan, I should be happy you did this, but I want to see you guys continuously improve, and IMO, this is the wrong way to do that.

FatBoyTim
04-19-2005, 09:37 PM
It's our second and the lower of our two 3rd rounders.

Even a 2 and a 3 is ok in my book. We still have our #1 and #73 - that's two picks on Day 1. Normally you have three but we had four thanks to the Henson deal which in part, makes this possible. Consider Buchanon a Day 1 pick and now we don't have to worry about CB on Day 1. Raider fans in here arguing about it tells me everything is ok with this.

Capers and Casserly aren't dumb about locker room chemistry. It wouldn't surprise me if they talked to Glenn ahead of time about this. to say this is DENIAL. Casserly was robbed once again.

threetoedpete
04-19-2005, 09:37 PM
I bet it's a second and one of the thirds. One good thing is he comes cheap.

PB (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302181)

Very nice call A.J. I'm a happy camper. Looks sweet to me. Did Glenn Earl get hurt or something I've missed. I keep seeing people on the boards sticking SS into the mocks. He's ok right ?

texan279
04-19-2005, 09:39 PM
Although you proved last year how little you value draft picks when you got ripped off by the Titans for Jason Babin, an average defensive end...

We will find out in another year or two if Babin is an average OLB.

CoachJim
04-19-2005, 09:40 PM
Glenn is a June 1 cut for sure now...

As much as I hate to admit it FBT may be right. Glenns days may be numbered. What does he count against the cap this year if he stays/goes after June 1???

Vinny
04-19-2005, 09:41 PM
We will find out in another year or two if Babin is an average OLB.Those guys are Titan fans 279. What do you expect them to say?

Fiddy
04-19-2005, 09:42 PM
My two cents:

BAD MOVE! A young team losing a second AND a third for someone who isn't of the best character, and has a large ego, is not a good thing. Now you have one impact draft pick this year, and this is a draft filled with unsure players.

As a colts fan, I should be happy you did this, but I want to see you guys continuously improve, and IMO, this is the wrong way to do that.I smell fear. I would too if I had to face Buchanan, Faggins, D-Rob and Glenn...

:heh:

FatBoyTim
04-19-2005, 09:43 PM
Horrible move??? What are you taking about. In this league and in our division you must have 2 shutdown corners. This gives up DR on oneside and PB on the other this is great we can now go after a RB and or a WR and we are a real threat to make the playoffs. This year and next and the next. This is GREAT
so the PATS had two shut down CB holding the colts to 3? Your a maroon if you buy that. The front 7 is the key. And the texans just took a giant step back. First last yrs trade and now this. It is inexcusable to trade 2 picks for one for a guy who has been a bust.

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 09:57 PM
Vandemeer just said the Redskins were considering the 9th overall pick and thier second round pick for Buchannon...this cant me true... :hmmm:

texan279
04-19-2005, 09:58 PM
Those guys are Titan fans 279. What do you expect them to say?

Something like, "Hey you guys, did you hear we signed Kyle Vanden Bosch! Our season is saved!"

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 09:58 PM
I've asked a few Raider fans on other boards their opinions of Buchanon, and the concensus is that he has the makings of an outstanding corner who suffered from not having a good pass rush...Also, one person went so far as to compare his kick return skills to those of Dante Hall, but suggested that he didn't do so well last year because he was unhappy in Oakland and that was his way of getting back at him...If we keep his attitude in check, we could have one of the best CB tandems in the NFL for the next 8 years...If we don't, he's gone in two, so no big deal...

Vinny
04-19-2005, 10:00 PM
Something like, "Hey you guys, did you hear we signed Kyle Vanden Bosch! Our season is saved!"This is what their off-season fun amounts to. Bashing our moves since they don't have any.

texan279
04-19-2005, 10:00 PM
It is inexcusable to trade 2 picks for one for a guy who has been a bust.

In 36 appearances with the Raiders, Buchanon totaled 122 tackles, 11 interceptions and 13 passes defensed. He returned four interceptions for touchdowns, at least one in every season of his brief career. He is also a dangerous punt returner, averaging 11.0 yards with three touchdowns on 72 runbacks. A bust? :hmmm:

Reddevil63
04-19-2005, 10:00 PM
This all but assures the Texans will be trading down in the first to get one of those picks back. I like Baas late in round one plus maybe another early third or late second and I am a big fan of this trade. I think JJ Moses's days are numbered with Swinton and now Buccanon Texans.

Negative Jesus
04-19-2005, 10:04 PM
In 36 appearances with the Raiders, Buchanon totaled 122 tackles, 11 interceptions and 13 passes defensed. He returned four interceptions for touchdowns, at least one in every season of his brief career. He is also a dangerous punt returner, averaging 11.0 yards with three touchdowns on 72 runbacks. A bust? :hmmm:


My thoughts exactly . I think this will end up being a good trade on our part . Sometimes all a guy needs is a change of scenery to step up his game ....... the Astros know this all too well . :heh:

Vinnie333
04-19-2005, 10:04 PM
although i dont completely agree with this trade, there is one good thing that comes out of it....Buchanon is a pretty decent return man. We just signed Swinton, and now Buchanon, so J.J. is gonna have a lot of competition this pre-season. hopefully one of these guys will step it up and give us a threat for a TD return on special teams.

keyfro
04-19-2005, 10:05 PM
i for one love this trade...this gives us aaron glenn's replacement, a fast returner, and exciting player to watch...we gave up two picks for him...seeing how our history of 2nd and 3rd round picks are i'm not fretting about this trade...if he can mature with john hoke and capers along with glenn's guidance he can be a real impact for us...i know some of ya'll are worried about him being a cancer but look at it this way...we're paying him 700,000 this year and 800,000 next year...if we don't like him...we can get rid of him with little to no big cap hits

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 10:05 PM
In 36 appearances with the Raiders, Buchanon totaled 122 tackles, 11 interceptions and 13 passes defensed. He returned four interceptions for touchdowns, at least one in every season of his brief career. He is also a dangerous punt returner, averaging 11.0 yards with three touchdowns on 72 runbacks. A bust? :hmmm:
He also gave away maybe 30 to 40 TDs ?

Tulip
04-19-2005, 10:06 PM
Well this was an exciting play, but it's going to empty out the excitement during the middle of Saturday.

Everyone here at home is excited. Mark was excited on FSN just a minute ago.

I have a feeling they aren't intending PB for returning punts. Especially if he's injury-prone.

Enormo
04-19-2005, 10:06 PM
Sorry, but a 3rd AND a 2nd is just way too much for Buchanon. The guy isn't that strong on the field and he is trouble in the lockerroom.

I hope whatever the Texans GM sees in Buchanon comes to fruition because if it doesn't you boys just got raped.

That snake oil salesman cryptkeeper Al Davis must have really used some strong magic to pull this one off.

Youngstown Colt
04-19-2005, 10:07 PM
He also gave away maybe 30 to 40 TDs ?Just about.

Reddevil63
04-19-2005, 10:08 PM
I have all the faith in the world in Charlie Casserly. He has seen something that nobody else has so I fully expect Buccanon to come in and be an impact player for us. :thumbup

Youngstown Colt
04-19-2005, 10:08 PM
That snake oil salesman cryptkeeper Al Davis must have really used some strong magic to pull this one off.
He probably passed it off as a deathbed wish. To bad people like him never die

Enormo
04-19-2005, 10:09 PM
I smell fear. I would too if I had to face Buchanan, Faggins, D-Rob and Glenn...

:heh:


No... that's the dump Buchanon just took on the Texan's field.

Enormo
04-19-2005, 10:10 PM
He probably passed it off as a deathbed wish. To bad people like him never die

LOL! What do you expect from someone who drinks embalming fluid as a nightcap?

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 10:11 PM
Well if you dont beleive me, just check out what some of Raider, Bronco and Charger fans have to say

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=25148
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=25148
http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=32861

tiger06
04-19-2005, 10:11 PM
We basically gave up a 2nd round pick for a starting NFL cornerback who will also function as punt returner. Pretty dang good deal to me :thumbup

texan279
04-19-2005, 10:11 PM
The trolls are really coming out for this one... :listening

threetoedpete
04-19-2005, 10:13 PM
Guys this was a horrible move for the Texans. They could have drafted any number of cornerbacks in the 2nd round that could turn out just as well or better than Buchanon. Now you get a head case that can't cover anyone, and you lost a 3rd rounder as well.

I disagree with this. After the first ten picks they are all **** games. It's tough enough to pick a cover corner in the first round much less the third. The raiders pass rush resembled dinner call at the old folks home. It was worse than ours. I've been screamin' for a playmaker in the defensive back feild on this board for two years. PB ain't ST, but he'll do.

Although you proved last year how little you value draft picks when you got ripped off by the Titans for Jason Babin, an average linebacker/defensive end/whatever.....one thing he's not is worth 3 draft picks...

Randy Starks will make you regret that trade for a long, long time.

Wrong again, CC in hindsight had a very nice draft, last year. Babin looked great against the run. He's just a babe. Give him a chance. After twenty years of coachin' the 3-4 you figgure Capers can pick 'em. My projection for Babin is 8+ sacks in 2005. I'd a lot rather be in the Texan's position right now than the Titants. Lean times a comin' in the collosium. Randy Starks never ever, will be a d-lineman in the 3-4. Amen. He just ain't big enough. Nice three DT in the 4-3 though. Get over it.

281
04-19-2005, 10:13 PM
I have a feeling they aren't intending PB for returning punts. Especially if he's injury-prone.

Please... Buchanon was born to return punts. Swinton will handle kickoffs. Buchanon is going to be our nickelback to start out the season anyway.

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 10:13 PM
last 8 games he gave up countless TD' ... where you watching the same guy ?

He also gave away maybe 30 to 40 TDs ?

well..thats nice but this guy seems to have evidence..:

I've got tapes of 6 of the last 8 games. Feel free to point me to which games you have in mind I'll look them up right now.

Carr Bombed
04-19-2005, 10:14 PM
My two cents:

BAD MOVE! A young team losing a second AND a third for someone who isn't of the best character, and has a large ego, is not a good thing. Now you have one impact draft pick this year, and this is a draft filled with unsure players.

As a colts fan, I should be happy you did this, but I want to see you guys continuously improve, and IMO, this is the wrong way to do that.

That is exactly why this is a good trade. We have added a young experience starter that is going to not only add another roster spot, but fill the eventual HUGE hole of Glen at the cost of just a second and a third, instead of taking a chance on a unsure player.

keyfro
04-19-2005, 10:14 PM
everyone hates al davis like he is the devil...haha...he might just be...but i for one like him...he's ruthless in the way he conducts business...he's one of those guys were you love to hate him...the classic villian...i love what the guy does for football...he makes the game exciting to watch...i fully understand why a charger fan would hate him though...to tell you the truth if he was in our division i'm sure i would hate his guts just as much as any of the charger fans do...as for buchanan...i love his talent and maybe getting him away from the underacheiving woodson is what he needs to turn his career into something memorialable...remember this guy is for the U

Reddevil63
04-19-2005, 10:15 PM
HAHAHA all of that coming from a team that signed the entire Cleveland Browns D-line this past offseason???? Give me a break.

nunusguy
04-19-2005, 10:16 PM
I dunno... doesn't turn 25 until September but already has 3 years of experience in the NFL - might be a pretty sweet deal for us !

rittenhouserobz
04-19-2005, 10:16 PM
I like the pickup. It just leaves me wondering if the Texans trade Glenn away on draft day. At this point it is anyone's geuss.

Carr Bombed
04-19-2005, 10:16 PM
Also the fact that all our divisional rivals felt like they had to jump over here and comment on this trade, good or bad, tells me all I need to know. :thumbup

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 10:17 PM
Wow @ 130 people viewing this thread...We haven't seen anything like this since the epic "Orlando Pace Visits With Texans" thread from a month ago...

Tulip
04-19-2005, 10:18 PM
I made that comment about him not returning punts because it seems to me that the Texans like their returners as far down the depth chart as possible.

Texan in Japan
04-19-2005, 10:19 PM
Greenwood and Buchannon are both as fast as they come at their positions. We are obviously looking to upgrade speed for sure this off-season.

Agree! I started a thread a while ago about the need for speed...this reinforces our earlier efforts. Buchannon is also a playmaker--4TDs in 2004. Insane return yards after INTs that yr.

keyfro
04-19-2005, 10:20 PM
all i have to say is this makes payton mannings job a lot harder...hopefully this is the means to an end of our losing ways to the colts

threetoedpete
04-19-2005, 10:20 PM
Well if you dont beleive me, just check out what some of Raider, Bronco and Charger fans have to say

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=25148
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=25148
http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=32861

Well Arnold, all I'll say about this is we'll see who hits the championship game first. I'll take the bird in the hand myself. My best advise to you is keep checking the obits. Your road back to the SB begins the day weird Al gives up the ghost. JMHO.

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 10:23 PM
all i have to say is this makes payton mannings job a lot harder...hopefully this is the means to an end of our losing ways to the colts
i can see him combating Stokely's speed well.

texanfan2002114
04-19-2005, 10:23 PM
I too am a huge fan of this trade. Also to the guys saying that Babin was a bust, Babin had 63 tackles 51 solo and 4 sacks as a rookie and Capers compares him to Kevin Greene. Capers also did say that Babin was ahead of Kevin Greene at their same points in their careers.

I also think we don't need to trade up and get Derrick Johnson. I would love to have him but I also believe our linebacking corp is going to better than last years.

Go Texans and great job CC!!!

Bubbajwp
04-19-2005, 10:29 PM
i cant wait to see us play the colts

DocBar
04-19-2005, 10:29 PM
Screw it.... I'm working this weekend. I need the money to get a shrink.

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 10:30 PM
well..thats nice but this guy seems to have evidence..:
Well here you go week 8 : Charles Woodson is out, and guess whos the starter , P-Burnt he lets Brees pass 281 and 5 TDs, 3 agiasnt him, Parker had 6 catches for 91 yards agiant him, week 9, hes the starter agian he lets Muhammed catch 8catches for 94 yards, and lets Delhome throw 2 Tds on him, Week 11 , hes is suppose to cover Kennan due to Woodson being on Gates , he lets him cath it 7 times for 91 yards and gives up a TD to Brees, week 13 E. Kennison has 8 catches 149 yards on him and a TD, week 15, he gives up 13catches for 160 yards and 3 TDs to Drew Bennit, also last year he was benched for giving all 4 TDs to Farve on a monday night game...

Paragon Blue
04-19-2005, 10:34 PM
Forget all the small talk. We will just see how this trade plays out this season.

GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

keyfro
04-19-2005, 10:34 PM
well in all fairness...look at ya'lls front seven...they were horrible...ya'll were running a 3-4 defense without any 3-4 linebackers and sapp isn't a 3-4 lineman...brees had all day to throw the ball and i dont' care how good a corner is...if he has to cover a reciever for more than 4 seconds he's gonna get burned because the reciever always has the upper hand

FatBoyTim
04-19-2005, 10:43 PM
Well here you go week 8 : Charles Woodson is out, and guess whos the starter , P-Burnt he lets Brees pass 281 and 5 TDs, 3 agiasnt him, Parker had 6 catches for 91 yards agiant him, week 9, hes the starter agian he lets Muhammed catch 8catches for 94 yards, and lets Delhome throw 2 Tds on him, Week 11 , hes is suppose to cover Kennan due to Woodson being on Gates , he lets him cath it 7 times for 91 yards and gives up a TD to Brees, week 13 E. Kennison has 8 catches 149 yards on him and a TD, week 15, he gives up 13catches for 160 yards and 3 TDs to Drew Bennit, also last year he was benched for giving all 4 TDs to Farve on a monday night game... The Texans got cleaned out on this. Only a homer thinks this is a good move. The SD and Bronco fans hate this trade. They feasted on this scrub.

Errant Hothy
04-19-2005, 10:43 PM
Well here you go week 8 : Charles Woodson is out, and guess whos the starter , P-Burnt he lets Brees pass 281 and 5 TDs, 3 agiasnt him, Parker had 6 catches for 91 yards agiant him, week 9, hes the starter agian he lets Muhammed catch 8catches for 94 yards, and lets Delhome throw 2 Tds on him, Week 11 , hes is suppose to cover Kennan due to Woodson being on Gates , he lets him cath it 7 times for 91 yards and gives up a TD to Brees, week 13 E. Kennison has 8 catches 149 yards on him and a TD, week 15, he gives up 13catches for 160 yards and 3 TDs to Drew Bennit, also last year he was benched for giving all 4 TDs to Farve on a monday night game...


No CB can stop a QB, thats the job of the front 7. AS for the recivers, could anybody stop that crowd?

And no for the dumbest comment of the night, harkening back to Buchanon being burnt for 30-40 TD, we gave out a grand total of......................................wait for it...............................think it'll be close to 30........................how about.......................................TWELVE . Yup that sure looks like 30 to me. And since I really doubt Buchanon was the only CB playing I doubt all those were directly his fault. Please or the good of us all, put the crack pipe down!

Bubbajwp
04-19-2005, 10:44 PM
wow!!!!! i never saw that coming

AndroidRaider24
04-19-2005, 10:45 PM
I Like The Deal..............nobody Wanted To Play For The Raiders Defense Last Year. This Is A Great Environment For A Guy That Just Came From A Crapy One. This Will Be Great............think On The Possitives Instead Of The Negatives So Much People.this Is Good For Us And For Phillip Bucahnon. well 2 years ago you could stay that but, i lost repect for the guy, when we came out playing hard on defense, guys like Danny Clark, Ted Washington, Charles Woodson, Anderson, Brayton, Kelly and hell even Sapp keeped going , but at some point when you do everything right, and you are doing your job and the Qbs just throw it up at Phillips direction and they would get the TD or the first down, or get into FG range, at some point enough is enough, after he gave up the game winning TD's to the Cheifs, he goes out and says he wants a new contract or he wants to be traded ? But If you beleive it was because lack of pass rush, than how do you expect it to get better, you had a worse one than us last year ? I like the Texans, please dont mistaken me for a hater, but im just trying to warn you as fans...

FatBoyTim
04-19-2005, 10:45 PM
We basically gave up a 2nd round pick for a starting NFL cornerback who will also function as punt returner. Pretty dang good deal to me :thumbup and a third too. That is completely insane. Just like drafting Hollings was. Just wait to see what the raiders take at 47. It will make you puke.

Bubbajwp
04-19-2005, 10:46 PM
who were the raiders FS and SS

DocBar
04-19-2005, 10:47 PM
I'm gonna be sick. Pukin Bar is a fitting result of P-Burnt Buchanon. OK...Maybe it was a 7 yr. plan and evreybody in the western hemisphere typoed. Does the NFL drug test coaching staffs/management??????
Who does Drew Henson play for again?????

wags
04-19-2005, 10:48 PM
The Texans got cleaned out on this. Only a homer thinks this is a good move. The SD and Bronco fans hate this trade. They feasted on this scrub.

Why don't you go sign Hugh Douglas again? :loser

Bubbajwp
04-19-2005, 10:49 PM
[QUOTE=FatBoyTim]and a third too. he said we gave up a second because we still have another third round pick

tacoman_j
04-19-2005, 10:49 PM
We only gave up a second and a 6th round pick. 6th round pick come from the Drew Henson trade which became 78th pick this year. 2nd rounder for burner to match stokley is good deal. Better than taking Justin Miller or Fabian Washington. too many ??? about those guys in the 2nd round.

pskinny
04-19-2005, 10:51 PM
I love it. Who cares what Raider, Charger, Colt, and Titan fan have to say. In CC we trust.....The guy is 24 and now has Hoke and Aaron to tutor him. Plus he's more valuable than any 2nd or 3rd round players we've selected to date anyway.

Could Mike Williams fall to 13? Unlikely, but oh man would we be set in 2005!

Holden135
04-19-2005, 10:52 PM
DocBar you don't make any sense but oh well. I think what this trade shows is that the texans are trying to win now. They don't want to draft a db and wait a few years to mold him into an nfl db. The trades they are making are to add speed and experienced youth (same with Greenwood). I would like to see how this shuffles the secondary. Is there a possibility someone may move to ss? I am also curious what this does to our first round draft pick. Its obvious it counts out us drafting a db and with the addition of Greenwood i don't think the Texans will go lb unless they were to find a way to get DJ. It seems to me like they are going to go offense since our dline is pretty much set for next year and i don't see why we would pay first round money for someone who is gonna sit a year while we are trying to make the playoffs. That pretty much leaves it to Oline, wr and rb. I hear a lot about us drafting Barron which would be a good long run pick but we are trying to win now and olinemen dont usually produce much in their rookie years. That leaves rb and wr. I am totally against us picking up a rb like Benson because i think Davis has a lot of unmet potential and he has been pretty solid the last two years other than the little time he missed due to injury plus he was huge down the stretch last year and i would like to see if he can continue that before wasting a first rounder and run into the problem the chargers have with a top qb draft pick on the bench because their qb surprised them and had a great year. So i am gonna go on a limb and say we will pick a wr like troy williamson.

Bubbajwp
04-19-2005, 10:52 PM
drew henson is a cowboy

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 10:53 PM
We only gave up a second and a 6th round pick. 6th round pick come from the Drew Henson trade which became 78th pick this year. 2nd rounder for burner to match stokley is good deal. Better than taking Justin Miller or Fabian Washington. too many ??? about those guys in the 2nd round.

We got #73 from Dallas for Henson not #78...

Sco-tai
04-19-2005, 10:53 PM
Certainly I'm not the only one to think of this.

Who are the 2 FRANCHISE players of the Texans (both $$ and potential)?
Carr & AJ, right.

Who do you think AJ lined up against at Miami (with only 1 year separating the two)?!?!? P-non!

So if your #1 WR tells you "Get this guy"...what are you going to do?

Besides, he's a project for low money the next two seasons. If he doens't work out...you can go to plan B next year (and still have Glenn & Faggins this year).
And as our draft history, our 2nd & 3rd rounders are basically "dumb-luck".

I wouldn't grade this trade an automatic "good call", but I see why it could make complete sense.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-19-2005, 10:54 PM
P-Buch will definitely add some swagger to our defense.

DocBar
04-19-2005, 10:55 PM
Why did we trade to get a smolderer to take on a burner??? This guy can't cover his *** with a comforter.

Bubbajwp
04-19-2005, 10:55 PM
IMO we will draft T williamson, D ware, M clayton, or just trade down to get more picks

Grid
04-19-2005, 10:56 PM
wow.. werent we the same team that let whats his name go to San Diego? Steve Martin or whatever.. one of the top LBs in the league now?

Have we not learned that certain players prosper better in certain systems?

Do you also not see the benefit of having a kick returner like Buchanon who has starter experience.. and can play nickle for us behind Glenn and Robinson while we teach him to use his OBVIOUS talents with the help of our AWESOME CB coach, and big brother Glenn?

Geez guys.. this is an AVERAGE draft. I know we have all been high on who we could pick in rounds 2 and 3.. but lets face it.. the guys available in those rounds were "eh".. no sure things there. This wasnt a deep draft. And we still have our 1st and a 3rd rounder to work with :P.

THINK ABOUT IT!!! 2 mid round draft picks in a weak draft for a YOUNG and PROMISING CB who can be an awesome return guy for us, and provides us with an atheletic enough prospect to possibly replace glenn in a season or two.

And we are in the AFC FREAKIN SOUTH! The most pass happy division in the AFC :P. We had an awesome secondary last season and it just got better.. and we are lucky cause we are gonna need someone with Buchanans experience and abilities to cover those TEs and 3rd WRs in our division.

This was a good move in my opinion. The only thing that I have any questions about is his attitude.. hopefully we can work out any kinks he may have.

Shader
04-19-2005, 10:56 PM
A note to all you Texan fans. You gave up a 2nd and 3rd rounder. You can spin it all you want, you can try to justify it as much as possible, but you just got totally swindled. Shaun Alexander & Edgerrin are going for 2nd rounders. No one wants to take Travis Henry for a 2nd rounder. Surtain is going to go for a 4th or 5th and he's ten times the cb Buchanan ever will be.

I realize that it's easier for Casserly to give up draft picks because he's so bad at drafting good talent, but once you get yourself a real gm, you'll figure this out for yourselves.

Back to the cellar this year Texans...

Texansbacker
04-19-2005, 10:58 PM
Casserly, Capers and McNair all saw Buchannon up close when the Texans played the Raiders. Buchannon seemed pumped up to be matched up against a fellow alumn and highly touted WR Andre Johnson. He played a good game, laid a nice lick on J. Wells and he looked athletic and confident. Perhaps Cass asked AJ how good a coverman Buchannon was in his opinion. Giving up a second and third round draft pick will end up being a steal as Buchannon finally realizes his full potential through the troioka of veteran mentoring by A. Glenn, competitive fire from D. Robinson, and last but not least a superior coaching effort by J. Hoke. By essentially only giving up a second we secure a vital position with first round talent. Brilliant strategy and I think we will take our pick at 13 and thus lessening the propensity to pick a bust by trading down and hope for a gem in the third and fourth.

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 11:00 PM
A note to all you Texan fans. You gave up a 2nd and 3rd rounder. You can spin it all you want, you can try to justify it as much as possible, but you just got totally swindled. Shaun Alexander & Edgerrin are going for 2nd rounders. No one wants to take Travis Henry for a 2nd rounder. Surtain is going to go for a 4th or 5th and he's ten times the cb Buchanan ever will be.

I realize that it's easier for Casserly to give up draft picks because he's so bad at drafting good talent, but once you get yourself a real gm, you'll figure this out for yourselves.

Back to the cellar this year Texans...
Correction Shaun Alexander and Edge are not going to any1.... Yes the asking price is about a 2nd rounder but why is it so low? Mammoth Contracts. Why do u think these teams are not jumping all over a low asking price? Huge Contracts.. PB can be an effective in nickle d while learning our system and then eventually make the move to 2nd starter, while being paid 700k and 800k the next to season; which takes absolutley no cap hit so we can make moves next season as well, unlike a team that would get one of those RB's

threetoedpete
04-19-2005, 11:00 PM
well in all fairness...look at ya'lls front seven...they were horrible...ya'll were running a 3-4 defense without any 3-4 linebackers and sapp isn't a 3-4 lineman...brees had all day to throw the ball and i dont' care how good a corner is...if he has to cover a reciever for more than 4 seconds he's gonna get burned because the reciever always has the upper hand

Agreed. And would you tell the Randy Straks guy, Sapp is in the same boat now. A three DT ain't going to work in the 3-4. I'm sorry but that's just they way it is. Why anyone would put sapp in a 3-4 is beyound me...stupid.

Htown34s
04-19-2005, 11:01 PM
So he backs up Glenn this year and takes over next year if we can get him to put his head on straight. I for one thought Glenn really lost a step last year. Maybe we're not completely comfortable with Glenn as the starter for all year now.

I really hope we trade down now and possibly get a Justin Tuck OLB type and Chris Spencer to replace McKinney. Yes, I'm still on that wagon with us giving up our 2nd rounder...

Errant Hothy
04-19-2005, 11:01 PM
A note to all you Texan fans. You gave up a 2nd and 3rd rounder. You can spin it all you want, you can try to justify it as much as possible, but you just got totally swindled. Shaun Alexander & Edgerrin are going for 2nd rounders. No one wants to take Travis Henry for a 2nd rounder. Surtain is going to go for a 4th or 5th and he's ten times the cb Buchanan ever will be.

That's all speculation on your part till any of that REALLY happens you're just blowing smoke out of you ***! :listening

Sco-tai
04-19-2005, 11:02 PM
Shader....*****.


"because he's so bad at drafting good talent".

Carr - 1st
JG - 2nd
JW - 4th
AJ - 1st
DD - 4th
DF - 6th
DR - 1st
JB - 1st
CP - 3rd
MB - Supplemental
TH - Supplemental

...and should I even mention the Henson-theft to turn a 3rd baseman into a 3rd round pick.

Not to mention the FA's on our starting line-up.

Shader...go back to Dallas, Cow-girl. :thumbup

canadiantexan
04-19-2005, 11:05 PM
wow.. werent we the same team that let whats his name go to San Diego? Steve Martin or whatever.. one of the top LBs in the league now?

Have we not learned that certain players prosper better in certain systems?

Do you also not see the benefit of having a kick returner like Buchanon who has starter experience.. and can play nickle for us behind Glenn and Robinson while we teach him to use his OBVIOUS talents with the help of our AWESOME CB coach, and big brother Glenn?

And we are in the AFC FREAKIN SOUTH! The most pass happy division in the AFC :P. We had an awesome secondary last season and it just got better.. and we are lucky cause we are gonna need someone with Buchanans experience and abilities to cover those TEs and 3rd WRs in our division.

The only thing that I have any questions about is his attitude.. hopefully we can work out any kinks he may have.

All very good points and now it free's us up to get another playmaker on offense at #13

Shader
04-19-2005, 11:05 PM
Unfortunately guys, until you learn to draft..(which you haven't yet) you will continue to be below average. 29 of the 32 NFL teams realize the value of draft picks. Apparently the Skins, Texans, and Dolphins haven't gotten the memo. Well, strike that, Saban gets it...I guess it's Snyder and Casserly...

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 11:05 PM
Shader....*****.


"because he's so bad at drafting good talent".

Carr - 1st
JG - 2nd
JW - 4th
AJ - 1st
DD - 4th
DF - 6th
CP - 3rd
...and should I even mention the Henson-theft to turn a 3rd baseman into a 3rd round pick.

Not to mention the FA's on our starting line-up.

Shader...go back to Dallas, Cow-girl.
forgot Dunta?

TheRealJoker
04-19-2005, 11:06 PM
I know with PB returning punts we are gonna take one to the house!!! Do we have arguably the most dangerous cornerbacks in the NFL now or what? YES!!!

texansfan88
04-19-2005, 11:07 PM
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rdbrem
04-19-2005, 11:08 PM
Maybe this was posted, but it includes more info. Sounds like a talented but inconsistent guy. So it could be awesome, could be scary.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/20/RAIDERS.TMP

threetoedpete
04-19-2005, 11:09 PM
Agrred. Don't worry about him Tiger he's got Starks playin' the nose in the 3-4. Believe this means they got Ware or Thomas targeted guys. Turn'em lose. We may not make the champioship game, but it's going to be a fun ride. Order the body bags Titans, Colts, Jags. We're coming. JMHO

Texansbacker
04-19-2005, 11:09 PM
DocBar you don't make any sense but oh well. I think what this trade shows is that the texans are trying to win now. They don't want to draft a db and wait a few years to mold him into an nfl db. The trades they are making are to add speed and experienced youth (same with Greenwood). I would like to see how this shuffles the secondary. Is there a possibility someone may move to ss? I am also curious what this does to our first round draft pick. Its obvious it counts out us drafting a db and with the addition of Greenwood i don't think the Texans will go lb unless they were to find a way to get DJ. It seems to me like they are going to go offense since our dline is pretty much set for next year and i don't see why we would pay first round money for someone who is gonna sit a year while we are trying to make the playoffs. That pretty much leaves it to Oline, wr and rb. I hear a lot about us drafting Barron which would be a good long run pick but we are trying to win now and olinemen dont usually produce much in their rookie years. That leaves rb and wr. I am totally against us picking up a rb like Benson because i think Davis has a lot of unmet potential and he has been pretty solid the last two years other than the little time he missed due to injury plus he was huge down the stretch last year and i would like to see if he can continue that before wasting a first rounder and run into the problem the chargers have with a top qb draft pick on the bench because their qb surprised them and had a great year. So i am gonna go on a limb and say we will pick a wr like troy williamson.

You make some good points Holden and I think you are right in that the Texans want to win it this year no matter the downplaying of it being only thier fourth year. They used to say at franchise inception that we would have a realistic shot in year three to make the playoffs and a run a the bowl in year four. Well, we didn't make the playoffs last year so I guess we must jump straight to the bowl and to do that you need veterans. Now we will only have one person who must make an immediate impact this season and that is our first round pick. The best player available, either on offense or on defense, will be selected and I would love to see a WR like Troy Williamson or a running back like Benson but that is probably just wishful thinking.

Grid
04-19-2005, 11:09 PM
Guys.. you really shouldnt bother responding to the trolls :). Shader has 3 posts and every single one of them wasnt worth the bytes they were coded on.

I can imagine this unwashed fool sitting in his drawers in his parents basement.. drinking cheap beer and giggling while he tries to think up the next stupid thing he is gonna say to get under your skin.


The naysayers are not going to "realize" that this was a good move until Buchanan starts making plays for it.. and then they will say "I knew it all along! I supported this trade from day one!"

So just let it go. We know CC knows what he is doing, and this was a solid move.

F-minus67
04-19-2005, 11:10 PM
This guy is going to play nickle for his first year, and will have a year of Hoke's coaching under his belt before he starts. I think that he deserves a break, even deion sanders would have gotten roasted if he played for the raiders last year.

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 11:10 PM
Unfortunately guys, until you learn to draft..(which you haven't yet) you will continue to be below average. 29 of the 32 NFL teams realize the value of draft picks. Apparently the Skins, Texans, and Dolphins haven't gotten the memo. Well, strike that, Saban gets it...I guess it's Snyder and Casserly...
we said from the beginning unless the perfect player falls to us @ 13 we are trading down, and as a result i see us easily getting a mid to late 2nd or early 3rd rounder; we also have a 3rd rounder from Dallas. So most likely we will still have 3-4 picks day one.
Learn how to Draft?
2003- 1st. Carr
2003-1st. Andre Johnson
4th. Dominick Davis
2004-1st. Dunta Robinson
including many other value picks in each of those drafts..

ArlingtonTexan
04-19-2005, 11:10 PM
Unfortunately guys, until you learn to draft..(which you haven't yet) you will continue to be below average. 29 of the 32 NFL teams realize the value of draft picks. Apparently the Skins, Texans, and Dolphins haven't gotten the memo. Well, strike that, Saban gets it...I guess it's Snyder and Casserly...

where do you get this from??? The Texans have take n every first round pick and will do so again in 2005..think before you post.

Shader
04-19-2005, 11:11 PM
I never said you guys should put Starks in the 3-4. But the Titans don't run the 3-4 they run the 4-3.

I am very sad for this trade though. Reese was really looking forward to conning the Texans again this year. Now you have no trade picks to give us. Oh well, there's always next year.

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 11:12 PM
Unfortunately guys, until you learn to draft..(which you haven't yet) you will continue to be below average. 29 of the 32 NFL teams realize the value of draft picks. Apparently the Skins, Texans, and Dolphins haven't gotten the memo. Well, strike that, Saban gets it...I guess it's Snyder and Casserly...

What team are you a fan of? Tacks? Cows?

I'm sure Kyle Vanden Bosch is gonna kill us both games this year :crazy:

blockhead83
04-19-2005, 11:13 PM
I think this is a good trade. If Casserly was thinking corner at 13, he may have seen that the corner he wanted at that spot wouldn't be available, so he pulled the trigger on this trade. I think Buchanon brings a ton of youth, speed, and athleticism to our secondary. At 24, and with Jon Hoke as a coach, he has no where to go but up. It gets me really wondering what we'll do at #13 now. Trading up is all but out of the question. Maybe trade down or take a DL/LB?

pskinny
04-19-2005, 11:13 PM
So just let it go. We know CC knows what he is doing, and this was a solid move.

Agreed.....

Shader
04-19-2005, 11:13 PM
Well I wouldn't toot your horn about David Carr until he actually wins you guys a few games, or takes you to the playoffs.

canadiantexan
04-19-2005, 11:13 PM
Maybe this was posted, but it includes more info. Sounds like a talented but inconsistent guy. So it could be awesome, could be scary.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/20/RAIDERS.TMP

If Hoke likes him, I like him. But seriously if Hoke is so sold on him after already having recuited him before then I'm pretty happy about it. Maybe it was just that Oakland water!

Texansbacker
04-19-2005, 11:13 PM
Correction Shaun Alexander and Edge are not going to any1.... Yes the asking price is about a 2nd rounder but why is it so low? Mammoth Contracts. Why do u think these teams are not jumping all over a low asking price? Huge Contracts.. PB can be an effective in nickle d while learning our system and then eventually make the move to 2nd starter, while being paid 700k and 800k the next to season; which takes absolutley no cap hit so we can make moves next season as well, unlike a team that would get one of those RB's

Bro, you are talking way over the Shade man's head. :cool:

Texan-Bull04
04-19-2005, 11:13 PM
y not try trading buchanan to the redskins since they were willing to give up the #9 spot for him and get derrick johnson or cedric. i think this would be smart bc we still have glenn starting and buchanan would not be used as much

DocBar
04-19-2005, 11:14 PM
Maybe it's just because I'm watching an awful movie(Bulletproof Monk) or I had such a high opinion of CC, but my season of optimism just turned into a season of dread. Maybe Buchanon can be team guy, but I doubt it. His selfish behaviour and inconsistant play will haunt the Texans for years because of the draft picks we'll miss out on. Davis may be crazy, but he's crazy like a fox. And he just screwed the Texans for several years.

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 11:16 PM
OKAY we will leaRn THANKS! Thanks for turning our Franchise around! :woot
what?....ok!

blockhead83
04-19-2005, 11:18 PM
Screwed us for years? Knee jerk reactions anyone?

DocBar
04-19-2005, 11:20 PM
what?....ok! Be happy or be sad. At least make sense. Or a complete sentence.

David_Carr
04-19-2005, 11:21 PM
I'm amped.

This was a good read...(already posted)

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/20/RAIDERS.TMP

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 11:24 PM
Be happy or be sad. At least make sense. Or a complete sentence.
i mde one typo, and yu queston my ablity to firm a comlete sentence?

ThaShark316
04-19-2005, 11:25 PM
Wonderful trade....I love this deal...both sides should be happy as hell right now. :thumbup :thumbup :heh:

disaacks3
04-19-2005, 11:26 PM
We spent a 2nd and one of our 3rd round picks this year on a guy who was taken 16 picks behind Carr. He has speed, experience, potential (whether fully realized or not) and has been looking for greener pastures. His cap hit will only be 700-800K through 2006. :thumbup

I'm anything but a big-time CC fan, but this deal looks like a good move from virtually any angle. I could give a **** what gangs of MB trolls think about this deal. (especially those from Oakland and Dallas who're still steamed about getting spanked by us)

At the very least we get a game-tested, experienced return man & corner to proivide some much needed depth. Time will tell guys / gals....time will tell.

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 11:26 PM
what?....ok!

yeaaaaahhhh! :woot

infantrycak
04-19-2005, 11:29 PM
Maybe it's just because I'm watching an awful movie(Bulletproof Monk) or I had such a high opinion of CC, but my season of optimism just turned into a season of dread. Maybe Buchanon can be team guy, but I doubt it. His selfish behaviour and inconsistant play will haunt the Texans for years because of the draft picks we'll miss out on. Davis may be crazy, but he's crazy like a fox. And he just screwed the Texans for several years.

If there is any formula for getting a reenergized 1st round talent, it is this scenario (from the previously posted article):

"It should be a good move for Phillip," said one league source, adding that Houston defensive backs coach, Jon Hoke, was very familiar with Buchanon, having recruited the former four-sport star at Lehigh High school in Fort Myers during's Hoke's days as defensive coordinator at the University of Florida. "The Texans have a disciplined coaching staff that should be able to get the most out of him."

Hoss
04-19-2005, 11:30 PM
this is a sweet trade im diggin it...and yeah both sides should be happy with it.....damn i cant wait for the season to start!!!!

Texan-Bull04
04-19-2005, 11:31 PM
So yall dont think that trading Buch- for a #9 spot giving us a 9 & 13 in the first round is a good idea :thumbup :thumbup

Texan-Bull04
04-19-2005, 11:32 PM
A :thumbup fter all washington was gonna do it till we got involved

David_Carr
04-19-2005, 11:32 PM
One more thing...

Buchanon costs $1.5MM over 2 seasons.

Another good read...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2041266

carrtex
04-19-2005, 11:32 PM
The Texans traded a 2nd and 3rd pick for Buchanon. Don't forget that we still have a extra pick in the 3rd.

DocBar
04-19-2005, 11:32 PM
i mde one typo, and yu queston my ablity to firm a comlete sentence?
Yeah, I do. It's the redneck in me. LOL

disaacks3
04-19-2005, 11:32 PM
So yall dont think that trading Buch- for a #9 spot giving us a 9 & 13 in the first round is a good idea :thumbup :thumbup If we could get it, I'd be all for it....doubt it would ever happen though.

LBblitz
04-19-2005, 11:34 PM
I like the trade:youth, speed, and cheap. Not bad. I also think our teams strong character will straighten him out. Although I will be sad to see glenn go :( ...but I guess it is business.

This strengthens my opinion that Cass is Capers our building our team in the NE Patriot mold :hmmm: . Stocking up on LBs, getting rid of high priced players (shaper, possibly glenn), and getting players that other teams dont want anymore that have major upsides(PB= C.Dillion)

DocBar
04-19-2005, 11:34 PM
Screwed us for years? Knee jerk reactions anyone?
YES screwed us for several years. That's what it will take for us to make up the lost draft picks.

Grid
04-19-2005, 11:35 PM
Not that I dont think trading Buch for the #9 is a good deal.. but i just think its unlikely as hell :)

WildBlackBear32
04-19-2005, 11:36 PM
So yall dont think that trading Buch- for a #9 spot giving us a 9 & 13 in the first round is a good idea :thumbup :thumbup

It's not really that big of a deal. He's a former first rounder anyway whos only 24(will be 25 by seasons start). You wont get much younger than that at the CB position.

DocBar
04-19-2005, 11:36 PM
Awesome idea, but unlikely

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 11:37 PM
Im telling you, Vandamer on FSN said the Redskin local paper (forgot what it's called) reported they were willing to give the 9th overall pick and a second or third rounder. We must of really snuck up in this deal.

wags
04-19-2005, 11:38 PM
Buchanon costs $1.5MM over 2 seasons.

Do you really think he will play the next two years under that contract?

TexansCanes
04-19-2005, 11:38 PM
i will start by saying that i am a miami fan, so i might be a little biased. i really like phillip and think that he can turn it around, if he tries. he already has the punt returning sport from jj and will be an upgrade there. hopefully he is ready to grow up and return to his form from the U, where he was maybe the best cb in the country. he was the most talented person in that 2001 secondary. the one problem could be the same problem he had in oakland, that he won't be the man when it comes to cb. hopefully his teacher deion sanders will straighten up "showtime", and make him into the player that he should be. i don't mind his cocky attitude aslong as he is shuting down his side. i will hold judgment on the trade till atleast after the draft to see who was available at the picks and wait to see him on the field. we could have the best duo of young cb's in the nfl if the trade works out.

Vinny
04-19-2005, 11:38 PM
Dunta plays the nick against the base 3wr packages due to his blitz skills and Glenn and Buchannon will take the outside wr's. With the new no-touch rules the 3WR set will be the predominant formation in the league I bet. Faggins will be the dime now.

Grid
04-19-2005, 11:38 PM
here is a repost of what I just posted on another NFL board. Thought id post it here too.

Sorry im late ..was putting out fires on the Texans board.

ALRIGHT! This was a good trade for us.. one mans trash is another mans treasure.

some facts first:

1. He is fast, and he is an awesome return man. We have been stuck with JJ Moses as our return guy. I love JJ.. hes solid and hes a great kid.. but he is one dimensional and was taking up a roster spot.

2. he is FAST! We have been upgrading our speed on defense and this is a big step.

3. He will be a nickle corner for us for the next one or two seasons. I think he should really shine when all he has to cover is TEs and 3rd string WRs.. especially when...

4. He is going to be trained by John Hoke! our secondary coach is awesome.. he has turned our secondary into one of the biggest strengths for our team. on top of that..

5. Hoke was the guy that recruited him out of highschool when he was the DC in Florida. also..

6. He is still very young and has loads of athletic potential, and he will have the tutelage of Aaron Glenn.. who took Dunta Robinson under his wing last season.. and look how good he turned out.. also..

7. Scheme is everything. Just cause he struggled in Oakland (on a terrible defense with a terrible secondary and a terrible Dline consisting of 4-3 personel that they were trying to make into 3-4 personel).. doesnt mean that he is going to struggle in Houston in our system.

8. Did I mention he is YOUNG? 24 years old.. hes practically a rookie still.

9. This is a weak draft. The talent is only so-so in the 2nd and 3rd.. and we had 2 3rd rounders to work with. Logically.. we only gave up a 2nd rounder for him.. and he is a much better prospect than anyone we would have gotten in the 2nd.

10. He has the potential to replace glenn.. who only has one or two more seasons in him.

11. Robinson will be the starting CB.. when Buchanan IS ready to start.. it will be as the 2nd string CB.

12. Attitude COULD be a problem.. but his attitude was fed, watered, and cared for until it grew to its full potential in Oakland. We dont play that **** in Houston. There ARE no big egos on our team.. and if he tries to pull that **** here, hes gonna get smacked down. he will conform. Especially with the younger Dunta Robinson out there making him look bad if he doesnt play his position like he is supposed to.




BTW.. we gave our 2nd (47) and our second 3rd (78 i beleive)

It looks like a win-win situation to me. Oakland gets the picks they wanted to trade up in this draft.. and we got the CB we needed to provide depth, return capabilities, and replacement for Glenn.



All around good trade for both teams.

GoBlue
04-19-2005, 11:40 PM
Buchanon was #17 overall pick in 2002. We traded a second and third round pick, (worth a first round pick at the bottom of the first round according to draft value charts). So even if you consider buchanon not quite worth a #17 pick overall he is a least worth a first rounder. More importantly he is a proven commodity, something which cannot be said for most draftees including many first rounders. I think CC may a good deal and Hoke & Co will show him how to play CB. I'm pumped :thumbup

David_Carr
04-19-2005, 11:41 PM
Do you really think he will play the next two years under that contract?

Do you think that he has even the least bit of leverage to restructure...

TEXANS84
04-19-2005, 11:41 PM
Wow, I get home from the Astros game and I see this.

My opinion, great move. With the addition of Phillip, we now have a stout secondary with Dunta, Aaron, and Marcus.

Now think about what we can do with our linebackers now. Blitz, Blitz, Blitz.

rdbrem
04-19-2005, 11:42 PM
I was really looking forward to Saturday. It's going to be over awful quick for me now... About what time should pick 13 happen?

TigerBait
04-19-2005, 11:42 PM
Wow, I get home from the Astros game and I see this.

My opinion, great move. With the addition of Phillip, we now have a stout secondary with Dunta, Aaron, and Marcus.

Now think about what we can do with our linebackers now. Blitz, Blitz, Blitz.
go Stros', finally getting SOME run support.

TexansCanes
04-19-2005, 11:43 PM
I was really looking forward to Saturday. It's going to be over awful quick for me now... About what time should pick 13 happen?

thats a tough call, it depends on how many trades happen. i would say atleast 2 1/2 hours into the draft, but that is just a rough estimate.

wags
04-19-2005, 11:44 PM
Do you think that he has even the least bit of leverage to restructure...

He was unhappy with this contract in Oakland, so why would he be happy with it in Houston? Does a holdout create leverage when you are worth two draft picks?

Grid
04-19-2005, 11:47 PM
hopefully Hoke has a bit of leverage of his own with him. The restructure may bring his cap hit up a little.. but he is going to be a nickle CB for at LEAST one season.. and we arent gonna pay him starter money no matter how bad he wants it.

dirty steve
04-19-2005, 11:48 PM
thought i'd add #45 Glenn Earl to the mid round gems that CC, Dom, and company have unearthed. plus, he has my bday, so he is obviously the man.

HardKnockTexan
04-19-2005, 11:51 PM
Capers and Fangio liked to use a lot of 3-3-5 last year and I expect to see a lot more of that in this upcomming season. Our front 3, Walker, Payne and Smith doesnt look too bad. Wong, Greenwood and Babin seem solid too. Glenn, Robinson, Buchanon, Coleman and Earl is as solid a backfield as you'll find in the NFL.
I think this was a very solid trade. In the Texans history, they havent faired too well in the second round. They also picked up an additional 3rd rounder from the CowGirls for Henson; which is looking like a great trade now huh?
So now the only question is; what happens saturday? Now there's no way for them to more up, so it looks like DJ is out of the picture completley now. Alex Barron just doesnt seem like a good pick. I think Capers and Co. belive in our boys in the trenches and I think that now that they have played a few solid seasons together, they wont disapoint.
I'm thinking they go with WR. There are so many nice ones in this class. Troy Williamson is the most likley cannidate imo. If we're lucky maybe a guy like Mike Williams could fall to lucky 13.
If it's not WR, then i'm thinking they go with one of the top 3 RBs. Benson, Williams and Brown are all solid... it seems. And having a power game along with the finess of DD would be a nice little threat to have on offense.
Maybe Demarcus Ware??? But I think they like Peek this season... compition is never a bad thing though.
Who knows really???! but wondering about football is far better than watching any other sport.

D-ReK
04-19-2005, 11:52 PM
thought i'd add #45 Glenn Earl to the mid round gems that CC, Dom, and company have unearthed. plus, he has my bday, so he is obviously the man.

Glenn Earl is #26, and you're lucky to share a birthday with a decent player...I have the same birthday as Maurice Clarett eek:

cadahnic
04-19-2005, 11:52 PM
This is a good move by the Texans. They have the ability to sign him to a decent deal in a couple of years and he will be a nice replacement for Glenn next season. I am mad cause it looks like DJ is not going to be coming and neither is Carlos Rogers, but ohhh well. Buchanan can flat out play and he has tremendous hands, plus anything that puts JJ Moses on the bench is a good thing. He will be a solid player for us and possible trade bait later on.

Grid
04-19-2005, 11:55 PM
This actually cements my feelings that we will go OLB in the first. Our defense is looking better now with Buchanan.. the speed is starting to show.. adding a young OLB to help with the pass rush (that we will have an easier time creating now with Buchanan) seems like it would be a very solid move for us.

I cant wait to play the Colts :). Go ahead.. bust out that 4 WR set.. Robinson, Glenn, Faggins, Buchanan, and Coleman.. good lawd!

rdbrem
04-19-2005, 11:57 PM
This guy averaged 5.8 yards in punt returns last year, and he only fumbled twice out of 21 touches! He's going to be awesome!

He also returned 2 kickoffs in his career, so he's got to be a threat there.

infantrycak
04-19-2005, 11:59 PM
YES screwed us for several years. That's what it will take for us to make up the lost draft picks.

Nice chicken little reaction. Nobody in the world would have been surprised if the Texans used a 1st day pick on a CB so the net loss of picks on this deal is one. Sure does take years to make up for one guy--you realize they give each team 7 per year?

Shader
04-19-2005, 11:59 PM
Seriously you guys should have drafted carlos rogers at 13 and than had two additional pick.

rdbrem
04-20-2005, 12:00 AM
Did I mention his long return last year was 18 yards?

infantrycak
04-20-2005, 12:01 AM
He was unhappy with this contract in Oakland, so why would he be happy with it in Houston? Does a holdout create leverage when you are worth two draft picks?

Buchanon wasn't unhappy with his contract, he just didn't like being a Raider--didn't get along with the old or new coaching staff, didn't like the way the team was headed with the 3-4, etc.

TexansCanes
04-20-2005, 12:05 AM
he averaged a little under 14 two years ago and had two td, twice as many as we have ever had. he has had 7 tds, so he adds a potential playmaker on defense, which could really help.

beerlover
04-20-2005, 12:07 AM
I was on another draft thread trying to validate our (past now) 2nd round draft selection as CB Domonique Foxworth and add links to pastes & this trade happens?

Guess Charlie could'nt stand to wait until Saturday :heh:

this really addresses a need with essentially a proven NFL 1st rounder out of the University of Miami, for a second & third pick in the 2005 draft. as much as I hate to trade away draft picks this deal could really be good for the Texans. this really shores up the defense and if Peek is ready for prime time and can suffice in the pass rushing department, the Texans may actually draft Alex Barron and try to actually protect David Carr.

very interesting indeed :hmmm:

infantrycak
04-20-2005, 12:08 AM
This guy averaged 5.8 yards in punt returns last year, and he only fumbled twice out of 21 touches! He's going to be awesome!

He also returned 2 kickoffs in his career, so he's got to be a threat there.

Try looking at the two years prior where he had 3 TD's on 51 returns and averaged 12.6 yards--comparable to the best in the league last year.

He obviously has good open field moves--of 11 INT's he has returned 4 for TD's including 2 over 80 yds.

But you are correct, he has not been a kick returner.

wags
04-20-2005, 12:09 AM
Buchanon wasn't unhappy with his contract, he just didn't like being a Raider--didn't get along with the old or new coaching staff, didn't like the way the team was headed with the 3-4, etc.

I guess I confused him with Woodson's "highest paid conerback" comment. :bag: I still think we will be lucky if he plays out the next two years under that contract.

Woodson has said for months he wants to be the highest paid cornerback in the league, a distinction currently held by Champ Bailey of Denver

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1955338

D-ReK
04-20-2005, 12:12 AM
Did I mention his long return last year was 18 yards?

I guess you didn't read my post a few pages ago where I said that Buchanon was unhappy with the Raiders so he expressed that by not trying on punt returns...According to Raider fans, sometimes he would fair catch punts with nobody within 25 yards of him...If he stays happy here, he can be a big impact here...FWIW, this guy on Sporting News radio thinks that we got a steal, not that it means anything...

Grid
04-20-2005, 12:14 AM
If someone could educate me..

When a trade like this happens.. does the traded player have to give consent? or is it all up to the teams doing the bartering?

Just wondering if he chose to come here or if we may have the same issues he had in Oakland.

infantrycak
04-20-2005, 12:15 AM
If someone could educate me..

When a trade like this happens.. does the traded player have to give consent? or is it all up to the teams doing the bartering?

Just wondering if he chose to come here or if we may have the same issues he had in Oakland.

It is up to the teams. There is no reason to believe he will have issues with the coaching staff here.

rdbrem
04-20-2005, 12:17 AM
I guess you didn't read my post a few pages ago where I said that Buchanon was unhappy with the Raiders so he expressed that by not trying on punt returns...According to Raider fans, sometimes he would fair catch punts with nobody within 25 yards of him...If he stays happy here, he can be a big impact here...FWIW, this guy on Sporting News radio thinks that we got a steal, not that it means anything...

But he fumbles two or three times every year. Has he always hated being a Raider that bad?

TEXANS84
04-20-2005, 12:17 AM
Got these from my fellow Raidersfan board:
Rebel:

Pros -
. LOTS of upside
. Big play maker [ but!!!... ]

Cons -
. Attitude problems
. Okay in coverage
. Dosent work on coverage skills because he thinks he is the greatest CB alive
. Will want the $$ soon
But bro it make look like alot of cons but you got a CB with alot of upside. I THINK HE JUST NEEDED A CHANGE.

ColoradoRaider:
PBuch is a talented corner. He has lots of speed and athletic ability. Despite what others may tell you, he is usually in good position on coverage but does not react to the ball well. His size also seems to harm him in that he cannot out jump receivers for balls. He will get quite a few picks because he gambles a lot and jumps a lot of routes, but he will give up some big plays too. Probably his best atributes are as a return man and when he does get an interception. He has scored a lot of touchdowns in the 2 1/2 years he was here for a defensive player. His attitude also seems to be a problem. He is cocky and brings a lot of attention to himself when he makes a play.

Overall, he is a very talented corner with good instincts but he needs to work harder and focus on the little things, particularly his technique.

GenMan:
Pros:

He is a playmaker in the sense that he will gamble and jump alot of routes looking for INTS. His coverage skills did improved this year to a degree. His coverage depends largerly on how much pressure your front seven is applying.

NEGS:

Doesn't provide any run support whatsoever, he is inconsistent in defending deep patters, he is capable of being turn around on simple out patters, hooks, stop or goes, fly patters and you can abuse him on screens. The guy is a horrible tackler in every aspect of the game. I remember him getting his *** ran over a couple times.

He doesn't play any press coverage or bump style of defense. Consistently he is 6-8 yards off the ball and doesn't want to be physical but rather relies on his speed too much.

For every great play he makes their are 10-12 head scratchers.

Conclusion:

You need to invest a STOUTFUL front seven to hide the glaring weakness of BUCHANON.
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