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CloakNNNdagger
06-10-2011, 08:47 PM
Pft:

as a fan, would you rather experience a lot of pain or follow a vanilla franchise?

Texans fans would gladly sign up for a crushing playoff defeat at this point.

Call it the icarus principle. We’ve learned during our pft live series on the worst moments for every franchise since the ’87 strike that the closer a team flies to the sun, the more likely it is to get burned.

The houston texans remain unable to get off the ground. Their worst moments in franchise history includes a surprising lack of kris brown (in the top four) and can be seen below.

video (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/10/worst-moments-in-texans-franchise-history/)

Pass me the Pepcid.

FirstTexansFan
06-10-2011, 08:56 PM
I guess as a Texan fan, I'm inherently a masochist... I clicked the link :mariopalm:

Showtime100
06-10-2011, 09:05 PM
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/ShowtimeN15580/Houston%20Texans/CarrBall.jpg

:D :D

Trap_Star
06-10-2011, 09:06 PM
the rams game at reliant in 05 was a pretty low point for me.

FuriousGravy
06-10-2011, 09:15 PM
I have a couple:

http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr257/joestaler/texanslolslomo-1.gif?t=1300469439

And this one, more recent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkuT86EEByo

cuppacoffee
06-10-2011, 09:31 PM
Getting your arse kicked by a winless dullas team.

But one of our Texan players soothed the pain / embarassment by reminding us that it was, after all, "just another game."


:coffee:

TheMatrix31
06-10-2011, 10:32 PM
The SD/Jacksonville/Jets run last year.

Rosencopter

Kris' Misses

First down HB Pass

Jameel Cook's fumble

Shellacking in SD in, I think, 2007.

Lee Evans Explosion + Peerless Price w/ 13 sec left

Rob Bironas' 8 FGs

Stuffed on the goaline three times against AZ

2009 blown lead against Indy

Pac-Man's Punt Return

All of 2005

B2B shellackings against Denver and Indy in 2004




.....etc

GP
06-11-2011, 12:10 AM
The SD/Jacksonville/Jets run last year.

Rosencopter

Kris' Misses

First down HB Pass

Jameel Cook's fumble

Shellacking in SD in, I think, 2007.

Lee Evans Explosion + Peerless Price w/ 13 sec left

Rob Bironas' 8 FGs

Stuffed on the goaline three times against AZ

2009 blown lead against Indy

Pac-Man's Punt Return

All of 2005

B2B shellackings against Denver and Indy in 2004




.....etc

Damn, man. That is a great list. Sad, but yet accurate and sobering.

I'm going to go drink some antifreeze now.

The Pencil Neck
06-11-2011, 12:12 AM
The SD/Jacksonville/Jets run last year.

Rosencopter

Kris' Misses

First down HB Pass

Jameel Cook's fumble

Shellacking in SD in, I think, 2007.

Lee Evans Explosion + Peerless Price w/ 13 sec left

Rob Bironas' 8 FGs

Stuffed on the goaline three times against AZ

2009 blown lead against Indy

Pac-Man's Punt Return

All of 2005

B2B shellackings against Denver and Indy in 2004




.....etc

The loss to the Atlanta Falcons after going 2-1 and losing a close one to the Colts.

The ass-whooping the Jaguars laid on us in the 4th quarter 2 weeks later.

The opening day ass-whoopings against the Jets and Steelers.

VY beating us on the last play in OT in 2006.

Letting Garrard beat us with his legs in 2008.

The interception for a loss against the Ravens in OT last year.

The beat-down the Vikings gave us.

Oh, the list goes on.

:kubepalm:

GP
06-11-2011, 12:30 AM
The loss to the Atlanta Falcons after going 2-1 and losing a close one to the Colts.

The ass-whooping the Jaguars laid on us in the 4th quarter 2 weeks later.

The opening day ass-whoopings against the Jets and Steelers.

VY beating us on the last play in OT in 2006.

Letting Garrard beat us with his legs in 2008.

The interception for a loss against the Ravens in OT last year.

The beat-down the Vikings gave us.

Oh, the list goes on.

:kubepalm:

(sigh)

You guys are freaking killing me here.

What sick bastard comes along and posts MORE than the guy before?

I had rationalized that TheMatrix's list was all there was to be seen. Then you have to go and add to it.

Anybody else want to chime in and add on some more bad moments in Texans history? Geezus.

GP
06-11-2011, 12:32 AM
And why in the hell is CND starting this thread in the first place?

No rep. In fact, I'm instituting a Rep Lockout effectively immediately.

Lucky
06-11-2011, 06:32 AM
The impromptu press conference McNair gave on the practice field the week following the OT loss to the Ravens. Where he talks about the other owners consoling him and saying how close the Texans are. "We're on the right track." I don't know if it is a lie in an attempt to keep the fans in tow, or if McNair really believes this horsecrap. Either way, it made me sick to my stomach.

TheMatrix31
06-11-2011, 08:34 AM
One of the most painful lists I've ever had to write, LOL. Talk about masochistic.

Talk about "smh"

Señor Stan
06-11-2011, 09:00 AM
In hindsight...

With the 1st pick of the 2002 NFL draft the Houston Texans select...

CloakNNNdagger
06-11-2011, 09:04 AM
And why in the hell is CND starting this thread in the first place?

No rep. In fact, I'm instituting a Rep Lockout effectively immediately.

I started this thread remembering something someone once told to me long time ago when I was always going back to this one terrible and traumatic relationship. She gave me the answer to "Why?" She said "You're choosing to stick a red hot poker up your ass...........because it feels s-o-o-o-o good when you finally take it out!"

The problem here so far is the poker seems to have gotten stuck and it won't come out:cool:!

steelbtexan
06-11-2011, 09:59 AM
The 2005 Steelers game was a true highlight of this organization for me.

Capers insisted that the roof be open and made the Steelers wear black in 100 degree heat. This must have pissed the Steelers off pretty bad as they blew out ou home town kids.

Meanwhile makeup was literally cooking on Houston finest beauties face. By the 4th qtr the women that hadn't passed out from heat exhaustion looked like they were wearing camoflogue. (SP?)

It wasn't a pretty sight. It lead to the current ridiculous 50/80 roof open/closed rules. Once again Billionaire Bobby saw a problem and typically overreacted.

drs23
06-11-2011, 10:39 AM
Damn, man. That is a great list. Sad, but yet accurate and sobering.

I'm going to go drink some antifreeze now.

GP, would that be on the rocks? :thinking:

gtexan02
06-11-2011, 11:44 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2325442

Texecutioner
06-11-2011, 01:31 PM
The impromptu press conference McNair gave on the practice field the week following the OT loss to the Ravens. Where he talks about the other owners consoling him and saying how close the Texans are. "We're on the right track." I don't know if it is a lie in an attempt to keep the fans in tow, or if McNair really believes this horsecrap. Either way, it made me sick to my stomach.

Sums it up in a nut shell. When you see your happy go lucky owner fielding an embarrassment of a team for the 9th year in a row and he says we're on the right track, you realize that winning isn't something he's committed to and that he may be another Al Davis/Mike Brown type of owner but just in different ways.

GP
06-11-2011, 01:54 PM
I started this thread remembering something someone once told to me long time ago when I was always going back to this one terrible and traumatic relationship. She gave me the answer to "Why?" She said "You're choosing to stick a red hot poker up your ass...........because it feels s-o-o-o-o good when you finally take it out!"

The problem here so far is the poker seems to have gotten stuck and it won't come out:cool:!

I was thinking the red hot poker was stuck into the urethra of the penis, actually. That's what this thread feels like.

LOL.

KA4Texan
06-12-2011, 02:26 AM
I was thinking the red hot poker was stuck into the urethra of the penis, actually. That's what this thread feels like.

LOL.

NO, that would be more pleasant, at least that pain you know, as bad as it would be, would have an end.

For we Texans fans, we can only HOPE the burning stops soon. Yet year after year... Hopefully this is the year (if it happens) when our pain ends. Even if its minor relief.

I cant really decide what the "worst is" but I would have to say, the Dallas and Jacksonville loss last season. Just because the wounds are still there, they haven't healed to turn into scars yet.

House of Pain
06-12-2011, 04:32 AM
My friends that root for other teams tell me that the Texans make me sound like a battered housewife with an alcoholic, abusive husband.

"I swear...he's changed, it's not going to be like last year."

These lists are miserable. All the Sundays I wasted...

False Start
06-12-2011, 07:45 AM
The loss to the Atlanta Falcons after going 2-1 and losing a close one to the Colts.

The ass-whooping the Jaguars laid on us in the 4th quarter 2 weeks later.

The opening day ass-whoopings against the Jets and Steelers.

VY beating us on the last play in OT in 2006.

Letting Garrard beat us with his legs in 2008.

The interception for a loss against the Ravens in OT last year.

The beat-down the Vikings gave us.

Oh, the list goes on.

:kubepalm:

and Kareem Jackson Falls down... :headhurts:

GP
06-12-2011, 10:32 AM
1,125.) Did anybody list Ron Dayne ending Charles Spencer's career? Edit: No, not listed until now.

1,126.) The Tony Boselli and Bennie Joppru sagas. Lesson: Never trust the Texans' status reports.

1,127.) Ahman Green and Eric Moulds signings. LOL.

1,128.) The loss to the Rams, at Reliant, when the 3rd String QB beat us in OT (IIRC). Ouch.

1,129.) Beating the Steelers on nothing but defensive points because Carr stunk so badly.

This is rather cathartic, actually. It's like going to confession. Or an AA meeting or something.

DocBar
06-12-2011, 01:24 PM
It would be a much simpler task to name the best moments in the Texans franchise history.

The Pencil Neck
06-12-2011, 01:39 PM
It would be a much simpler task to name the best moments in the Texans franchise history.

Both times we beat the Colts.

Lucky
06-12-2011, 01:50 PM
It would be a much simpler task to name the best moments in the Texans franchise history.
I think the best moments came early in the franchise's history, when I naively believed in Carr, Casserly, Capers, and good ol' Boss McNair. Also, Kubiak's 2nd season in 2007 made me full of hope. I began to seriously question Kubiak for the 1st time in the early part of 2008 (It was Ike's fault!). I lost faith in the Rosencopter game.

devo-x
06-12-2011, 02:44 PM
1,129.) Beating the Steelers on nothing but defensive points because Carr stunk so badly.

That's one of the good moments - I would hope to see a similar performance from the Defense when we play the Steelers this year (if this is a season)

Showtime100
06-12-2011, 04:50 PM
The 2011 lockout

KA4Texan
06-12-2011, 08:13 PM
It would be a much simpler task to name the best moments in the Texans franchise history.

First game ever, beating the cowboys........ I loved it and couldnt stop :doot: in front of cowboys fans.

Norg
06-12-2011, 10:08 PM
Considering our first four years we only had like 15 wins I would say the capers era was just forgotten time and that's pretty sad. And the kubes era is the ultimate ups and downs team

Double Barrel
06-13-2011, 02:36 PM
The dagger-in-the-heart VY run is the top of my worst list.

And, unfortunately, all the moments mentioned above are etched into my brain.

It would definitely be easier to list our highlights: 19-10 and two wins over the Colts...and from my own perspective, AJ beating down Finnegin in our crib.

False Start
06-13-2011, 02:40 PM
The Chris Brown fumble at the goal line vs the Jags pissed me off. It made me mad that we lost, but it also pissed me off because I dropped 3 bills just to go to that game. :pissed:

Dread-Head
06-13-2011, 03:21 PM
LAST YEAR'S LOSS to the COWGIRLS...and my being there to WITNESS IT!

CloakNNNdagger
06-13-2011, 08:34 PM
The Texans/Steelers September 2005 game.........1 P.M............110 degrees........95 % humidity........no wind..........no clouds...........Steelers wearing BLACK..........Reliant roof open for "HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE".............Steelers BASKING in the sun...............Texans and Texans fans BAKING in the sun................and dropping like flies...............Steelers 27 / Texans 7! :roast::kubepalm::wadepalm:

Corrosion
06-14-2011, 11:38 AM
#1 was the first personel move ever .... Taking a guy in Boselli who would never play a down for the team in the expansion draft.


#2 Drafting HHWNBM over Julius Peppers ..... :foottap:


They started bad and havent gotten a whole lot better ....

Brando
06-14-2011, 08:11 PM
#1 was the first personel move ever .... Taking a guy in Boselli who would never play a down for the team in the expansion draft.


#2 Drafting HHWNBM over Julius Peppers ..... :foottap:


They started bad and havent gotten a whole lot better ....


Remember we were able to get Seth Payne and Gary Walker out of that deal. I think because we had a deal with Jacksonville, iirc. But spot on with #2. Heck I think Dwight Freeney was in that draft. I would have taken him #1 overall instead of who we drafted.

Corrosion
06-14-2011, 09:39 PM
Remember we were able to get Seth Payne and Gary Walker out of that deal. I think because we had a deal with Jacksonville, iirc. But spot on with #2. Heck I think Dwight Freeney was in that draft. I would have taken him #1 overall instead of who we drafted.

You are correct ..... but what did it get us ? Im sure they could have done better , in hindsight.


I'd take a liquored up kicker over the guy we drafted. :shots:

Texan_Bill
06-14-2011, 09:45 PM
Worst?? Worst moments?? That's easy! What's harder is thinkning of "Best" moments in Texans history... We have our inaugural game v. the Cowgurls - 19-10. We have our Christmas present of beating the Dolts...... Other than that I can only rank "WORST" times in Texans history! (Which are many)!!!

#SadButTrue!

Brando
06-14-2011, 09:47 PM
You are correct ..... but what did it get us ? Im sure they could have done better , in hindsight.


I'd take a liquored up kicker over the guy we drafted. :shots:


True, I wish we would have done a lot more things different to start out.

Double Barrel
06-15-2011, 11:46 AM
Remember we were able to get Seth Payne and Gary Walker out of that deal. I think because we had a deal with Jacksonville, iirc. But spot on with #2. Heck I think Dwight Freeney was in that draft. I would have taken him #1 overall instead of who we drafted.

That was a much better deal for the Jaguars because they were in salary-cap hell. Good ol' Casserly - helping a division rival while taking old, crusty players off their hands at the same time.

HoustonFrog
06-15-2011, 12:03 PM
The impromptu press conference McNair gave on the practice field the week following the OT loss to the Ravens. Where he talks about the other owners consoling him and saying how close the Texans are. "We're on the right track." I don't know if it is a lie in an attempt to keep the fans in tow, or if McNair really believes this horsecrap. Either way, it made me sick to my stomach.

Agreed here. The reason why this is so bad is because right then and there you realize that there was not going to be meaningful change and that he was content with what was going on. When there is no horizon to look out on because someone doesn't "get it" then you are screwed.

Double Barrel
06-15-2011, 12:32 PM
The impromptu press conference McNair gave on the practice field the week following the OT loss to the Ravens. Where he talks about the other owners consoling him and saying how close the Texans are. "We're on the right track." I don't know if it is a lie in an attempt to keep the fans in tow, or if McNair really believes this horsecrap. Either way, it made me sick to my stomach.

It's like being on the Titanic and admiring that beautiful iceberg, and then start re-arranging deck chairs... :whistle:

BigBull17
06-15-2011, 01:20 PM
The 2011 lockout

****, that could be a highlite.

Carr throwing for negative yards vs Oakland. Carr having the haircut saga. Carr. Carr. Carr. Joe Pendry being OC. Watching the Colts kill the Texans on MNF last year because Kubiak didn't want to run the freaking ball

Corrosion
06-15-2011, 01:41 PM
****, that could be a highlite.

HWWNBM throwing for negative yards vs Oakland. HWWNBM having the haircut saga. HWWNBM. HWWNBM. HWWNBM. Joe Pendry being OC. Watching the Colts kill the Texans on MNF last year because Kubiak didn't want to run the freaking ball

Edited - we dont use that other word around here. We refer to "Him" as "He Who Will Not Be Mentioned"

The Pencil Neck
06-15-2011, 02:38 PM
The negative yards vs. Oakland thing is actually one of the highlights for me. We won that game despite him.

infantrycak
06-15-2011, 03:59 PM
#1 was the first personel move ever .... Taking a guy in Boselli who would never play a down for the team in the expansion draft.

Boselli was cleared by an independent Doc hired by the NFL. Willie Roaf was not and the NFL forced him to be withdrawn from the expansion draft. He was then traded and went on to something like 5 straight pro-bowls. Yeah it sucked for the Texans but I just can't see blaming them.

Oh and the shoulder that kept him from playing was not the shoulder he injured in football. It was his opposite shoulder the Hags Doc offered to "clean out for you while I'm in there."

Remember we were able to get Seth Payne and Gary Walker out of that deal. I think because we had a deal with Jacksonville, iirc. But spot on with #2. Heck I think Dwight Freeney was in that draft. I would have taken him #1 overall instead of who we drafted.

Freeney was not part of the options - Link (http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/index.nsf/Documents/2002-draft-exp)

That was a much better deal for the Jaguars because they were in salary-cap hell. Good ol' Casserly - helping a division rival while taking old, crusty players off their hands at the same time.

This seems like just retroactive negativity. Gary Walker was a pro-bowler in Houston not some over the hill guy. Yeah he wore out but how do you predict turf toe in someone who has no history of it? Payne was a damn good player. Wish we had him now and I would be more optimistic. I was in New Orleans for the game that ended his career. Everyone is all worried about having a lardass in the middle and again I wish we had 2002 Payne - dude didn't get knocked off the line ever.

Double Barrel
06-15-2011, 04:53 PM
This seems like just retroactive negativity. Gary Walker was a pro-bowler in Houston not some over the hill guy. Yeah he wore out but how do you predict turf toe in someone who has no history of it? Payne was a damn good player. Wish we had him now and I would be more optimistic. I was in New Orleans for the game that ended his career. Everyone is all worried about having a lardass in the middle and again I wish we had 2002 Payne - dude didn't get knocked off the line ever.

It's not "retroactive negativity". It's just history.

I posted the following back in 2005, which is inclusive of articles from 2002. The deal was made, confirmed by Casserly, and it is what it is.

From Football Digest, Oct, 2002 (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCL/is_2_32/ai_90982933):

For the Jaguars, the expansion draft served as a get-out-of-salary-cap-jail-free card. The salaries of players taken in the expansion draft are wiped from the books of the teams that lose them. By allowing Houston to select Boselli, Payne, and Walker, the Jaguars erased $17 million from their payroll. But that was the only positive to come out of it, especially concerning Boselli. The Jaguars had hoped he'd spend his entire career in Jacksonville, but they felt they had to let him go for the long-term good of the franchise.

"It was the most distasteful decision I've ever had to make with this franchise," Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver says. "Obviously, the last player I'd want to put [on the expansion list] is Tony Boselli. But he gave us the best chance of trying to solve the salary cap problem."

And from SportingNews.com - July 27, 2003 (http://i.tsn.com/voices/dan_pompei/20030727.html)

But this is what a lot of people don't know: The Texans cut a deal with the Jaguars before the draft, promising to take Boselli only if the Jaguars left defensive linemen Gary Walker and Seth Payne exposed. In essence, Boselli was a “throw-in” the Texans had to take in order to get Walker, who has played in the last two Pro Bowls, and Payne. . . .

Still looking for something "official" from either front office to confirm the second story, but it seems pretty reasonable if lot of analysts mention the deal in stories. idonno:


****edit: Following added:

from Big on Sports (http://64.246.64.33/default.asp?c=betcris&page=nfl/misc/mcgovern/nfl-weekly-021802.htm):

Jacksonville, which entered the expansion draft more than $27 million over the $71.8 million salary cap, realized nearly $15 million in cap relief thanks to Houston's selections of Boselli ($6,883,332 cap figure for '02) and starting defensive tackles Gary Walker ($5,250,000) and Seth Payne ($2,775,000). While it will be nearly impossible for Jacksonville's Tom Coughlin to replace the caliber of these three players, he was able to reduce his cap deficit to a more manageable $12 million.

"We certainly didn't want to lose Tony Boselli or our two starting defensive tackles," said Coughlin. "But this was a chance to get ourselves out of a hole."


*****edit 1.2 - added:

from sportsillustrated.com - Friday July 18, 2003 (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=202685&posted=1#post202685)

The Texans took Boselli in the 2002 expansion draft in an agreement between the two teams that allowed Houston to take defensive linemen Seth Payne and Gary Walker.

<snip>

Texans general manager Charley Casserly said he believes the deal ultimately will benefit the team despite the $6 million salary cap hit the franchise must endure this season.

"In order to get those two [Payne and Walker] you had to take the risk on Boselli. That was the deal," Casserly said.

So there you have it. It was a deal officially confirmed by the Texans GM. :ok:

And as far as Boselli is concerned, Casserly has stated that they knew it was 50/50 chance - at best - that he'd ever play for us. That radio interview was heard by other Texans fans and documented in the forum, as well. Hell, Casserly said right there above: "you had to take the risk on Boselli" Why was it a risk if the almighty "independent Doc hired by the NFL" cleared him??

Don't be so quick to label folks negative when the proof of history indicates otherwise. Casserly was a bone-headed GM, and that is clearly supported by the fact that the Houston Texans were the last NFL team he ever worked for. :howdy:

There are two avenues to build expansion teams, and Capers' history with the Panthers was too stock up on long-in-the-tooth players instead of going with youth. It worked for a short while in Carolina, but obviously failed in Houston.

It is not negative to admit the history of crappy decisions with this franchise. They far outweigh the positive ones.

infantrycak
06-15-2011, 05:54 PM
It's not "retroactive negativity". It's just history.

I posted the following back in 2005, which is inclusive of articles from 2002. The deal was made, confirmed by Casserly, and it is what it is.

I didn't dispute the cap ramifications.

It is not negative to admit the history of crappy decisions with this franchise. They far outweigh the positive ones.

I think it is when you start characterizing Payne and Walker as old crusty players (not sure if you were throwing Boselli into this who was not old at all and appeared headed to the hall of fame). Both were very good players and in their primes when we got them. Yes there were cap ramifications but we had an open cap. So to reiterate, my dispute is with calling Walker and Payne bad decisions. Both were very good players who ended up with unfortunate injuries. That doesn't equate to a bad decision. Yesterday or the day before Texecutioner was explaining how it wouldn't be a bad decision to make Aso the highest paid defensive player in the league and then he has an injury so the money is wasted. That's my point.

Double Barrel
06-15-2011, 06:04 PM
Well, "old and crusty" is hyperbole when compared to building with youth. :winky:

As far as bad decisions, I think any time that you help a division rival out of self-imposed cap problems, it's not a smart decision from a competition perspective. I've always thought it was weird, but I'm just a mere fan. The experts were supposed to be...well...experts.

Hindsight might be 20/20, but that's only because you get the benefit of seeing all the facts that were hidden while it was happening.

I liked Walker and Payne, so I'm not downing them. But the decision to go with vets on the defense, which indicates a win now mentality, was undermined by drafting a small school rookie QB to start on offense (which would appear to be a youth movement) behind an unproven line. It's just convoluted GM/HC decisions that seemed to lack a coherent long-term gameplan.

CloakNNNdagger
06-15-2011, 08:58 PM
Boselli was cleared by an independent Doc hired by the NFL. Willie Roaf was not and the NFL forced him to be withdrawn from the expansion draft. He was then traded and went on to something like 5 straight pro-bowls. Yeah it sucked for the Texans but I just can't see blaming them.

Oh and the shoulder that kept him from playing was not the shoulder he injured in football. It was his opposite shoulder the Hags Doc offered to "clean out for you while I'm in there."



Freeney was not part of the options - Link (http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/index.nsf/Documents/2002-draft-exp)



This seems like just retroactive negativity. Gary Walker was a pro-bowler in Houston not some over the hill guy. Yeah he wore out but how do you predict turf toe in someone who has no history of it? Payne was a damn good player. Wish we had him now and I would be more optimistic. I was in New Orleans for the game that ended his career. Everyone is all worried about having a lardass in the middle and again I wish we had 2002 Payne - dude didn't get knocked off the line ever.

I know what you mean....and I too would love to have him in the middle. He wasn't really a lardass at 6'4" and 303, but he was strong as heck and wiley as a fox.

Brando
06-16-2011, 02:20 AM
Boselli was cleared by an independent Doc hired by the NFL. Willie Roaf was not and the NFL forced him to be withdrawn from the expansion draft. He was then traded and went on to something like 5 straight pro-bowls. Yeah it sucked for the Texans but I just can't see blaming them.

Oh and the shoulder that kept him from playing was not the shoulder he injured in football. It was his opposite shoulder the Hags Doc offered to "clean out for you while I'm in there."



Freeney was not part of the options - Link (http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/index.nsf/Documents/2002-draft-exp)




I didn't say he was. Looking BACK(hindsight and all that) on the draft Freeney would have been the better option other than Peppers.

infantrycak
06-16-2011, 10:28 AM
I know what you mean....and I too would love to have him in the middle. He wasn't really a lardass at 6'4" and 303, but he was strong as heck and wiley as a fox.

That was the point I was making. Payne wasn't a lardass at all but he was a damn good NT.

Norg
06-16-2011, 01:39 PM
remember that time Da Bills came to our House and beat us

Or that time Da jets Capers era came to our house and beat us i think some old vet QB beat us one that just came off the couch weeks pior

ubecool454
06-26-2011, 12:24 AM
Signing David Carr #1 and Signing Bosselli #2 worst moments.

Corrosion
06-26-2011, 02:54 AM
That was the point I was making. Payne wasn't a lardass at all but he was a damn good NT.

Sure would be nice to have a healthy Payne on the current roster .....

DocBar
06-26-2011, 03:06 AM
Sure would be nice to have a healthy Payne on the current roster .....True. We don't have a healthy Payne and our defense has been a pain that's kept us from being a playoff team.