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AJ88
06-07-2011, 12:23 PM
Hey guys, new to this board. Actually just recently moved down to Houston (job) but have been interested in the Texans for a while and really trying to become a hardcore fan, maybe get to some games this year now that I'm not living 1,000 miles away.

Was reading this column (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/724196-houston-texans-will-gary-kubiak-survive-the-entire-2011-season) this morning and I guess it's an obvious, recurring question, but it still made me think nonetheless. How much was Frank Bush's fault? How much was Kubiak's fault? Even if some of the Texans' issues haven't been Kubiak-related, would he be blamed regardless?

Guess I just think it's an interesting situation. Personally, I think his entire fate hinges on a combination of the 2011 draft class and improvement from the 2010 draft class (specifically, Kareem Jackson.) Column's pretty good, probably says it better than I'm able, but just honest opinions, will Kubiak last the season? Why/why not? And is it fair if he's axed?

gary
06-07-2011, 12:55 PM
If Kubiak is to get axed it would be after the season if there is one. Welcome aboard I look forward to exchanging more ideas and opinions with you in the future.

Thorn
06-07-2011, 01:12 PM
Kubiak needs to go. One look at the Texans team since he took over is all the proof you need as to why.

What will probably happen is he will be here for one more full season, whenever that might be. And it's also possible Bum's boy saves Kubiak's job and he stays on longer. Like the weather, I wouldn't predict anything about the Texans with certainty.

beerlover
06-07-2011, 01:27 PM
last year it was premature to say Kubiak had to win to retain his job, even this year with the lock-out Bob could comp him his last season on his contract if he shows some signs of life, meaning at least 8-8. So yes, I think Kubiak will last the season regardless.

Double Barrel
06-07-2011, 01:40 PM
This is an interesting question that hasn't been pondered around these parts... :thinking: [/sarcasm]


Will Kubiak Last the Season?

Of course he will last the season (if there is one, obviously). Ol' Bob won't fire a head coach during a season. That much is quite obvious, and probably okay to even the most anti-Kubiak folks ('cept maybe Tex & Porky :winky:). If it's too traumatic to fire a head coach in the off-season for the owner, there is no doubt that he won't fire the coach during a season.

So the question really comes down to how bad would the team have to perform for McNair to let Kubiak go after the 2011 season. And, based on the lock-out situation as it impacts operations, as well as the hiring of a new DC that is implementing a new scheme, I'd say that the team would have to lose every game for McNair to make that call.

After all, the other owners said we are on the right track with Kubiak, so we just have to choo-choo along now!

silvrhand
06-07-2011, 01:51 PM
This is an interesting question that hasn't been pondered around these parts... :thinking: [/sarcasm]

Of course he will last the season (if there is one, obviously). Ol' Bob won't fire a head coach during a season. That much is quite obvious, and probably okay to even the most anti-Kubiak folks ('cept maybe Tex & Porky :winky:). If it's too traumatic to fire a head coach in the off-season for the owner, there is no doubt that he won't fire the coach during a season.

So the question really comes down to how bad would the team have to perform for McNair to let Kubiak go after the 2011 season. And, based on the lock-out situation as it impacts operations, as well as the hiring of a new DC that is implementing a new scheme, I'd say that the team would have to lose every game for McNair to make that call.

After all, the other owners said we are on the right track with Kubiak, so we just have to choo-choo along now!

Of course now we are going to see a Kubiak -> Phillips transition.. sigh.. Can we get a real coach for $100 Alex?

nero THE zero
06-07-2011, 01:53 PM
Ol' Bob won't fire a head coach during a season. That much is quite obvious, and probably okay to even the most anti-Kubiak folks ('cept maybe Tex & Porky :winky:). If it's too traumatic to fire a head coach in the off-season for the owner, there is no doubt that he won't fire the coach during a season.


I disagree. I think part of the reason Wade was brought in was his HC experience, which would alleviate any reticence Bob might have in changing coaches mid-season.

A lot depends on the lockout, but if we have a regular, 16 game season and start, say, 1-5, the pressure to change coaches would be immense, and with a seasoned coach on staff, I don't think it's unreasonable to think Bob would pull the trigger.

infantrycak
06-07-2011, 03:31 PM
I disagree. I think part of the reason Wade was brought in was his HC experience, which would alleviate any reticence Bob might have in changing coaches mid-season.

A lot depends on the lockout, but if we have a regular, 16 game season and start, say, 1-5, the pressure to change coaches would be immense, and with a seasoned coach on staff, I don't think it's unreasonable to think Bob would pull the trigger.

I think it matters how they get to 1-5. If the offense is hanging 27 pts on folks and the D is still giving up last minute Jags, Jets type losses I don't see McNair blaming Kubiak.

HoustonFrog
06-07-2011, 03:50 PM
Being that I've wanted Kubiak gone for 2 years now, it pains me to say this but I can see him being here for many more years. This is how I see it playing out..and I think it is realistic. 1) Strike shortens part of the year. Texans miss early schedule woes and make the playoffs. I'm putting this under "even a blind squirrel finds a nut" scenario because I find him to be a terrible coach but at some point one brick in the wall will budge. 2) Kubiak retained because he finally gets over hump, albeit short season. 3) The next season Gary goes back to his losing ways but the one season got him traction with good ole Bob and thus the next hump is around the corner. It is very depressing but this is what keeps popping up in my head. I mean seriously, 5 years and the guy is still here. I still can't believe it.

Brisco_County
06-07-2011, 04:12 PM
Welcome to Texas and to Texans fandom.

If you aren't already aware, the factor that motivates us most is the desire for relevance. This is why we treat Monday Night Football games like it's the playoffs.

If the Texans offense remains potent in 2011 and doesn't regress, Kubiak will be around in 2012. The defense is all Wade's now.

eriadoc
06-07-2011, 04:12 PM
You know, we are all aware that OD is sometimes referred to as the weatherman because of his degree in meteorology. But I nominate Kubiak for the nickname. Because The Weatherman can be wrong over and over again, yet he still keeps his job and people still watch.

Double Barrel
06-07-2011, 04:32 PM
I disagree. I think part of the reason Wade was brought in was his HC experience, which would alleviate any reticence Bob might have in changing coaches mid-season.

A lot depends on the lockout, but if we have a regular, 16 game season and start, say, 1-5, the pressure to change coaches would be immense, and with a seasoned coach on staff, I don't think it's unreasonable to think Bob would pull the trigger.

I understand where you are coming from, because I share a similar perspective. I honestly think Wade will be our next head coach.

However, that being said, infantrycak has a good counter argument where the situation would have to be 'just right' for Wade to become our next HC.

Like he mentioned, if the offense is putting up 27 and the D is still abysmal, Wade will not be the HC regardless of our record.

It would have to be a situation where Kubiak's decisions are the obvious reason(s) why the team is losing games, and even then it can often be a subjective situation to blame a coach. McNair has shown that he is more patient than 31 other owners, so we do not really know the depth of that patience at this point.

And I think there are two build in "excuse factors" if the team does not do well in 2011: the lock-out's effect on football operations, and the implementation of a new defensive scheme.

I still think that Wade is being groomed for the HC position, but I concede that this is based on a 'gut feeling' and my own opinions about this franchise's marketing decisions than it does any concrete evidence from the owner...because that evidence does not exist right now. McNair loves him some Kubiak, and I don't see a firing mid-season at all and I honestly see him as the HC for at least two more seasons. McNair could give a rat's ass about fan opinions as long as fans are selling out that stadium.

gary
06-07-2011, 04:46 PM
Another coaching thread just to pass the time.

Marcus
06-07-2011, 04:58 PM
What season are you talking about?

2012?

TexanSam
06-07-2011, 05:10 PM
I think so. He may even have another season as HC after this one if there's a lockout. The Texans will struggle and McNair will blame it on all the missed time. He'll say the team just needs more time to gel and Kubiak deserves a full season in 2012.

gary
06-07-2011, 05:22 PM
If this team fails again the fans are going to be too crazy for Bob to keep Gary or at least they should be.

DocBar
06-07-2011, 05:51 PM
You know, we are all aware that OD is sometimes referred to as the weatherman because of his degree in meteorology. But I nominate Kubiak for the nickname. Because The Weatherman can be wrong over and over again, yet he still keeps his job and people still watch.

So I guess we could call Smith the Politician for the same reason?
Welcome to Houston and to the Texans, AJ88.

nut
06-07-2011, 06:21 PM
If Kubiak wins 1/2 his games this year, he will be given another extension. Some things never change.

Wolf6151
06-08-2011, 01:42 AM
JMO, but I think Kubiak will be back for the final season of his contract (2013) regardless of how he does in the 2012 season. He'll only have 1 season after this one and McNair won't want to pay 2 head coaches.

Allstar
06-08-2011, 02:33 AM
Only way he gets fired midseason is if we are just completely getting smashed. I'm talking like 0-7.

Allstar
06-08-2011, 02:34 AM
Another coaching thread just to pass the time.

More like another coaching thread because this guy is new.

TheMatrix31
06-08-2011, 09:53 AM
If there is a season, I think he'll last through it.

I think the results of this season are going to be too abnormal to put much stock into anyway. I mean, what if we won the Super Bowl in a shortened season? Would it really mean anything?

I dunno, it's going to be weird.

badboy
06-08-2011, 10:23 AM
As a big fan of Kubiak until last season, I really don't know. I could argue either way. He allowed Frank Bush to remain as our defense fell apart. Yes, some was injuries but that happens every year. Some were bad breaks (Quin in the end zone knocking ball into opponents hand for a score)but that is football.
This a make or break year for Gary, Texans and for me remaining a fan. Bringing in Phillips as DC was good, the draft even better. I do not want Wade has HC.

Welcome to the board and keep kicking out the threads as we have little else to do.

Double Barrel
06-08-2011, 12:10 PM
If there is a season, I think he'll last through it.

I think the results of this season are going to be too abnormal to put much stock into anyway. I mean, what if we won the Super Bowl in a shortened season? Would it really mean anything?

I dunno, it's going to be weird.

I'd take it in a heartbeat!

They can quasi-asterisk it all they want, but it's not official (sort of like all the jive Rockets fans have had to endure about Jordan being retired).

ALL teams have to deal with the implications of the lock-out, so from that perspective it's a level playing field.

Give me a Super Bowl championship under any circumstance at this point.

gary
06-08-2011, 12:49 PM
More like another coaching thread because this guy is new.It does serve both purposes though.

houstonspartan
06-08-2011, 01:21 PM
If we play a full 16 game season, Kubiak will be fired by mid-November, right when we begin our usual late season swan dive. After last year, I think the "Owner's don't like to make coaching changes in the middle of the season" argument went right out the window. Owners don't care anymore. They will yank a coach when they have to. And I don't blame them.

Now, if we have a shortened season...watch out. Kubiak will be our coach for life. I'm serious.

infantrycak
06-08-2011, 01:49 PM
If we play a full 16 game season, Kubiak will be fired by mid-November, right when we begin our usual late season swan dive. After last year, I think the "Owner's don't like to make coaching changes in the middle of the season" argument went right out the window. Owners don't care anymore. They will yank a coach when they have to. And I don't blame them.

Now, if we have a shortened season...watch out. Kubiak will be our coach for life. I'm serious.

Usual late season swan dive? Do you actually watch the Texans or just criticize randomly? The Texans have had an excellent record over the last quarter of the season under Kubiak.

Marcus
06-08-2011, 02:02 PM
I'd take it in a heartbeat!

They can quasi-asterisk it all they want, but it's not official (sort of like all the jive Rockets fans have had to endure about Jordan being retired).

ALL teams have to deal with the implications of the lock-out, so from that perspective it's a level playing field.

Give me a Super Bowl championship under any circumstance at this point.

Well, I remember full well all the hoopin and hollerin I did those two years the Rockets won the championship. But since then, I've had plenty people ask me this . . .

"Now, do you really truly believe that if Jordan wasn't playing baseball those two years, would the Rockets still have won the championship?"

Considering what the Bulls did after Jordan came back, well . . . there are times when you just need to be brutally honest with yourself.

I'm a 57 year old cancer patient, so I feel like I can legitimately say that I wonder if the Texans will win a Super Bowl in my lifetime. (I always get a chuckle when I read some snotty-nosed 21 year-old say that)

But if the Texans do win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, I don't want to wonder 2 years later if Michael Jordan hadn't been playing baseball. I want it to be legitimate, without even the appearance of any "special circumstances".

And this season, to me, has already become one big fricken asterisk. So I wish they would just cancel the season and be done with it.

DocBar
06-08-2011, 02:15 PM
Usual late season swan dive? Do you actually watch the Texans or just criticize randomly? The Texans have had an excellent record over the last quarter of the season under Kubiak.

Late season swan dives? It's been more like early and mid-season cratering and late season heroics to keep Kubiak afloat.

gary
06-08-2011, 02:35 PM
I will bit the dust and sport a Kubiak avatar if proven wrong.

badboy
06-08-2011, 02:38 PM
I will bit the dust and sport a Kubiak avatar if proven wrong.I think you should at least change your last name to Kubiak for the following season. You could do his interviews and everything. Just think you and John McClain and a microphone.

:runaway:

houstonspartan
06-08-2011, 02:49 PM
Late season swan dives? It's been more like early and mid-season cratering and late season heroics to keep Kubiak afloat.

Yes, thank you, that's what I meant.

houstonspartan
06-08-2011, 02:52 PM
Usual late season swan dive? Do you actually watch the Texans or just criticize randomly? The Texans have had an excellent record over the last quarter of the season under Kubiak.

Do YOU actually watch the Texans? I'm not talking about the last two game winning streak that we somehow manage to pull off to save Kubiak's ass. I'm talking about the late October to early November disaster we always seem to find ourselves in.

Double Barrel
06-08-2011, 03:42 PM
Well, I remember full well all the hoopin and hollerin I did those two years the Rockets won the championship. But since then, I've had plenty people ask me this . . .

"Now, do you really truly believe that if Jordan wasn't playing baseball those two years, would the Rockets still have won the championship?"

Considering what the Bulls did after Jordan came back, well . . . there are times when you just need to be brutally honest with yourself.

I'm a 57 year old cancer patient, so I feel like I can legitimately say that I wonder if the Texans will win a Super Bowl in my lifetime. (I always get a chuckle when I read some snotty-nosed 21 year-old say that)

But if the Texans do win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, I don't want to wonder 2 years later if Michael Jordan hadn't been playing baseball. I want it to be legitimate, without even the appearance of any "special circumstances".

And this season, to me, has already become one big fricken asterisk. So I wish they would just cancel the season and be done with it.

I understand where you're coming from, and it's certainly a solid perspective.

I tend to dismiss the "Jordan asterisks", though. He was obviously burnt out on basketball when he first retired for a baseball career, so that has to be taken into account. And the Rockets always played well against Jordan's Bulls. Vernon Maxwell was one of the only opponents that could get into Jordan's head during games. And the Bulls did not have an answer for Hakeem, much less during the peak of his greatness. Jordan himself called Hakeem the best player on earth when he returned to the NBA.

Don't forget the greatness of Hakeem. Olajuwon is the the first and only NBA player ever to win the regular season MVP, Defensive Player of the Year Award, and NBA Finals MVP in the same season. I think it diminishes his legacy by going with the "Jordan asterisks", but that's just my opinion.

As far as the 2011 NFL season, it already blows even if they play a full 16 game schedule. I agree with you that the product is certainly going to be less than what it should be without the off-season.

However, I'm also a life-long Houston pro football fan, and I'm not going to turn away any success our team might encounter if it should happen, asterisks and all.

infantrycak
06-08-2011, 04:20 PM
Do YOU actually watch the Texans? I'm not talking about the last two game winning streak that we somehow manage to pull off to save Kubiak's ass. I'm talking about the late October to early November disaster we always seem to find ourselves in.

Nice crawfish. So now "late season" means beginning late October? Yeah right. Game 6 comes in the last half of October but keep trying to salvage your inaccurate statement. Just say I meant mid-season Sarah.

gary
06-08-2011, 04:23 PM
I think you should at least change your last name to Kubiak for the following season. You could do his interviews and everything. Just think you and John McClain and a microphone.

:runaway:Guys, it's on me. Done. See you next week.

EllisUnit
06-08-2011, 05:57 PM
Hey guys, new to this board. Actually just recently moved down to Houston (job) but have been interested in the Texans for a while and really trying to become a hardcore fan, maybe get to some this year now that I'm not living 1,000 miles away.

Was reading this column (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/724196-houston-texans-will-gary-kubiak-survive-the-entire-2011-season) this morning and I guess it's an obvious, recurring question, but it still made me think nonetheless. How much was Frank Bush's fault? How much was Kubiak's fault? Even if some of the Texans' issues haven't been Kubiak-related, would he be blamed regardless?

Guess I just think it's an interesting situation. Personally, I think his entire fate hinges on a combination of the 2011 draft class and improvement from the 2010 draft class (specifically, Kareem Jackson.) Column's pretty good, probably says it better than I'm able, but just honest opinions, will Kubiak last the season? Why/why not? And is it fair if he's axed?

Hmmmm no off season, kubiak is bored. New poster so interested in the fate of kubiak and our opinions ?!?!?!? very interesting.

Rey
06-08-2011, 06:03 PM
Assuming he is still breathing, yes.

Nawzer
06-08-2011, 09:00 PM
Look, I don't like Kubiak as a head coach, but my "love" for the Texans is greater than my disdain for Kubiak. So, in that regard I hope Kubiak will last the whole season as the head coach. That would mean that the Texans are playing really well and they will make the playoffs. On the other hand, McNair could just give Kubiak this year and next year due to the work stoppage and tell the fans he didn't really get a chance to do what he wanted. But I think the only way Kubiak will last this season is if he wins and gets us to the playoffs.

badboy
06-09-2011, 12:42 PM
Guys, it's on me. Done. See you next week.

Gary! Gary! Gary! You da man! Now go sign Asomugha.:splits:

gary
06-09-2011, 12:53 PM
Gary! Gary! Gary! You da man! Now go sign Asomugha.:splits:My boss Bob told me not to offer any more 6 or 7 mill per but I am trying my best.

Norg
06-09-2011, 11:09 PM
Depends on were we are mid way through the season

I think we can can him midway through the season if he's doing bad wade could step right in and be the hc IMO and dennesion could run the offensive

GNTLEWOLF
06-10-2011, 04:38 AM
Depends on were we are mid way through the season

I think we can can him midway through the season if he's doing bad wade could step right in and be the hc IMO and dennesion could run the offensive

Kubiak isn't going anywhere. Firing a coach in mid-year is not McNair's style. Besides, with a new defensive coordinator and scheme and the lock-out, he has all the excuses he needs to be here two more years.

Lucky
06-10-2011, 07:07 AM
Kubiak isn't going anywhere. Firing a coach in mid-year is not McNair's style. Besides, with a new defensive coordinator and scheme and the lock-out, he has all the excuses he needs to be here two more years.
Which incidentally is what's left on Kubiak's contract.

Of course if Kubiak can go 9-7 and miss the playoffs, he'll get another well deserved extension. And why not? The Texans are on the right track.

BigWig
06-10-2011, 08:37 AM
If we only play 8 games and only win half, might as well do it!
If he wins all 8 how would you feel about that?

KA4Texan
06-12-2011, 03:48 AM
If we only play 8 games and only win half, might as well do it!
If he wins all 8 how would you feel about that?

Great, we finally become "relevant" and it has to be marred with an asterisk of a short season.

IE. "Sure, they were undefeated, but who is to say the wouldnt have screwed the pooch and lost their last 8 games for the trademark 8-8."

As much as it pains me to say this, I hope he does. The thought of Wade becoming the HC makes my skin crawl...... to be the Cowboys hand me down team....... *shivering*

badboy
06-12-2011, 02:54 PM
For me it would be more about how well they play rather than how many wins.

drs23
06-12-2011, 03:27 PM
For me it would be more about how well they play rather than how many wins.

I'm in this camp as well. I've been concerned all along about how quickly we can make the transition to the 3-4. I've only been watching this game since black & white TV w/rabbit ears (with foil flags :D) but it seems as though it's always taken a couple of years to be successful. I really hope Wade can get it done right now even taking into consideration the lack dept.

One can only hope.

Double Barrel
06-13-2011, 11:38 AM
For me it would be more about how well they play rather than how many wins.

Good attitude for little league, but not for professional football. :winky:

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
~ Vince Lombardi

houstonspartan
06-13-2011, 03:39 PM
For me it would be more about how well they play rather than how many wins.

Wow.

Seriously?

So if the team plays well, but, somehow, ended up 1-15 (yes, I'm being extreme, but you know how this team is with back luck and breaks and decision-making) that would be ok?


Really?

Sorry, man, but, one of the beauties of sports is the clear metrics: W's count. Nothing else.

Period.

badboy
06-13-2011, 03:56 PM
Wow.

Seriously?

So if the team plays well, but, somehow, ended up 1-15 (yes, I'm being extreme, but you know how this team is with back luck and breaks and decision-making) that would be ok?


Really?

Sorry, man, but, one of the beauties of sports is the clear metrics: W's count. Nothing else.

Period.No, how you win counts for me. I know this is an antiquated view but it is mine. Cheaters (NE's camera for example) don't fly well in my opinion. Yes, a sloppy played game that results in a W would be accepted but would result in me criticizing heavily. A championship based more on luck than skill it worthless. I do not need to brag that much. WHen playing a game that I can still be productive in, volleyball in a swimming pool, I want to go against the other team's best player. I don't back up to the pay window either.

This is why we better make some very good progress this season. Your philosophy reminds me of colleges that schedule weak teams so they can have a "good" season.

houstonspartan
06-13-2011, 04:53 PM
No, how you win counts for me. I know this is an antiquated view but it is mine. Cheaters (NE's camera for example) don't fly well in my opinion. Yes, a sloppy played game that results in a W would be accepted but would result in me criticizing heavily. A championship based more on luck than skill it worthless. I do not need to brag that much. WHen playing a game that I can still be productive in, volleyball in a swimming pool, I want to go against the other team's best player. I don't back up to the pay window either.

This is why we better make some very good progress this season. Your philosophy reminds me of colleges that schedule weak teams so they can have a "good" season.

Dude, come on. That goes without saying. Of course how you win matters. I don't like cheaters. I didn't mean to imply that we should pull a New England Patriots and start to outright cheat. I am simply saying that W's are important.

Funny you should mention college teams. I have been saying for years that UT is overrated in football and that they schedule weak teams and end up looking better than they are. lol.

Double Barrel
06-13-2011, 05:13 PM
No, how you win counts for me.

Are there degrees of cheating?

I say this because we have two players that were suspended last year due to illegal PEDs in their systems. In the end, this is also a form of cheating.

Rey
06-13-2011, 05:31 PM
No, how you win counts for me. I know this is an antiquated view but it is mine. Cheaters (NE's camera for example) don't fly well in my opinion. Yes, a sloppy played game that results in a W would be accepted but would result in me criticizing heavily. A championship based more on luck than skill it worthless. I do not need to brag that much. WHen playing a game that I can still be productive in, volleyball in a swimming pool, I want to go against the other team's best player. I don't back up to the pay window either.

This is why we better make some very good progress this season. Your philosophy reminds me of colleges that schedule weak teams so they can have a "good" season.

I agree to a certain extent...

But there are a lot of factors that go into winning and losing. Consistently doing one or the other really tells a lot about who you are as well...

Teams have bad plays/series/days/weeks/months. It's just going to happen. Being able to overcome those bad days and still being able to win more than you lose is an accomplishment.

Texecutioner
06-13-2011, 07:16 PM
As much as it pains me to say this, I hope he does. The thought of Wade becoming the HC makes my skin crawl...... to be the Cowboys hand me down team....... *shivering*

In case you forgot history Wade Phillips had a ton of more success in Dallas than Kubes has as HC. Wade would be an upgrade as bad as that sounds. We have arguably the worst HC in the entire NFL.

KA4Texan
06-14-2011, 04:16 AM
In case you forgot history Wade Phillips had a ton of more success in Dallas than Kubes has as HC. Wade would be an upgrade as bad as that sounds. We have arguably the worst HC in the entire NFL.

I know and I have nothing against Wade (aside from a strong hatred of the Cowboys)

But when Kubiak leaves, I dont want to continue with the same good ole boy so-so coaching we have had, when it hasnt done all that much for us (so far)

I would love to see a different approach at things to show we are at least trying to achieve greatness on all levels rather than just settling.

Add in the fact that with Kubes ties, he has been here this long.

How long do you think Wade would be here with the sentimental ties of his father (you know, the Dale JR syndrome) IF the day were to come where we HAD to replace him to bring the Ws?

I think it would be a sticky situation, best avoided.

badboy
06-14-2011, 11:36 AM
Are there degrees of cheating?

I say this because we have two players that were suspended last year due to illegal PEDs in their systems. In the end, this is also a form of cheating.There are degrees of cheating that lead to degrees of consequences. Cheating is still wrong & we all know it. The two players
(and their team and fans) were punished.

badboy
06-14-2011, 11:45 AM
I agree to a certain extent...

But there are a lot of factors that go into winning and losing. Consistently doing one or the other really tells a lot about who you are as well...

Teams have bad plays/series/days/weeks/months. It's just going to happen. Being able to overcome those bad days and still being able to win more than you lose is an accomplishment.If a team plays well, wins should follow unless the opponent is just better. Refer to Pittsburgh beating the Oilers on their way to SB in the other Phillips era.

I would feel silly bragging that Texans made playoffs while playing lousy. Sports is about competition and beating the other person at their best.
I know after years of drought some will seek wins any way they come. I want us to earn our way.

houstonspartan
06-14-2011, 11:48 AM
If a team plays well, wins should follow unless the opponent is just better. Refer to Pittsburgh beating the Oilers on their way to SB in the other Phillips era.

I would feel silly bragging that Texans made playoffs while playing lousy. Sports is about competition and beating the other person at their best.
I know after years of drought some will seek wins any way they come. I want us to earn our way.

Agree. I was somewhat peeved when we beat New England to go 9-7 when they were resting quite a few of their starters. I want us to go toe-to-toe with their best and win.

steelbtexan
06-14-2011, 11:51 AM
If we only play 8 games and only win half, might as well do it!
If he wins all 8 how would you feel about that?

If only 8 games are played, Gary cant have his 5-7 record after 12 games like every other yr.

Bummer

beerlover
06-14-2011, 11:51 AM
If a team plays well, wins should follow unless the opponent is just better. Refer to Pittsburgh beating the Oilers on their way to SB in the other Phillips era.

I would feel silly bragging that Texans made playoffs while playing lousy. Sports is about competition and beating the other person at their best.
I know after years of drought some will seek wins any way they come. I want us to earn our way.

I think the Houston Sports Fan has more than paid his dues. Kubiak had to earn his current position through years of hardwork so its going to be extra special for him too when the Texans finally prevail. :logo:

Double Barrel
06-14-2011, 12:03 PM
There are degrees of cheating that lead to degrees of consequences. Cheating is still wrong & we all know it. The two players
(and their team and fans) were punished.

The Patriots were punished (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extras/spygate/), as well.

ALL teams cheat & we all know it. It just sounds like a double-standard to act like some cheating is less of an offense than others. Players and teams have great incentive to gain any advantage over their opponents, and that often leads them to crossing lines.

Cheating is cheating. I don't see degrees when it's black and white.

steelbtexan
06-14-2011, 02:27 PM
It probably wont be his last season. But it should be.

If the Texans dont make the playoffs this yr. After getting to play 4 games in division against rookie QB's. Then Gary will have out done himself on the crappy HC scale.

badboy
06-14-2011, 04:20 PM
The Patriots were punished (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extras/spygate/), as well.

ALL teams cheat & we all know it. It just sounds like a double-standard to act like some cheating is less of an offense than others. Players and teams have great incentive to gain any advantage over their opponents, and that often leads them to crossing lines.

Cheating is cheating. I don't see degrees when it's black and white.

Cheating is wrong as I said but like criminal law there exists different levels. I was in no way condoning that & I think you know it.

Double Barrel
06-14-2011, 04:42 PM
Cheating is wrong as I said but like criminal law there exists different levels. I was in no way condoning that & I think you know it.

I know you don't condone it and certainly never wanted to imply it. It's just conversation between friends. :)

You mentioned that how the team plays is more important to you than wins, but I'm just pointing out that the Texans' image is not as squeaky clean as their marketing department tries to spin it.

From PED users getting suspended to the team getting busted conducting improper drills during offseason practice, the Texans are just not as good at it as other teams seem to be. :winky:

Texecutioner
06-14-2011, 04:57 PM
I know and I have nothing against Wade (aside from a strong hatred of the Cowboys)

But when Kubiak leaves, I dont want to continue with the same good ole boy so-so coaching we have had, when it hasnt done all that much for us (so far)

I would love to see a different approach at things to show we are at least trying to achieve greatness on all levels rather than just settling.

Add in the fact that with Kubes ties, he has been here this long.

How long do you think Wade would be here with the sentimental ties of his father (you know, the Dale JR syndrome) IF the day were to come where we HAD to replace him to bring the Ws?

I think it would be a sticky situation, best avoided.

Oh, I completely agree. I didn't want Wade here in the first place with Kubes here. Two softies don't make a good combination in any capacity if you ask me. The Texans have already had major issues with being focused and disciplined under Kubiak so bringing in a guy like Wade is the last kind of answer for a problem like that. And Wade also just had just as many problems with his last team where he was to soft with the players and they ended up losing focus and all discipline. He lost his team entirely. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great DC and on a team that already has a strong HC that can get his players focused week in and week out where they respect and will run through a wall for their HC, I think Wade is a great fit in a situation like that. But with Kubes, I don't see it as a good fit at all myself.

If it came down to who I'd want as a HC though, I'd take Wade for sure.

NBT
06-15-2011, 01:55 PM
It probably wont be his last season. But it should be.

If the Texans don't make the playoffs this yr. After getting to play 4 games in division against rookie QB's. Then Gary will have out done himself on the crappy HC scale.

If you blame Kubiak for the play of the defense last year you have a point. But the real POINT is that his offense had a 4000+ yard passer, a 1200+ yard receiver, and the leading rusher with over 1600 yards. Offensively that statistic can't be repeated by just any old offensive coach. Instead of bitching about Kubiak, we should be clapping for Bum's boy, and hoping he can do for the defense what Koobs has been doing for the offense. :hurrah:

Texecutioner
06-15-2011, 02:10 PM
If you blame Kubiak for the play of the defense last year you have a point. But the real POINT is that his offense had a 4000+ yard passer, a 1200+ yard receiver, and the leading rusher with over 1600 yards. Offensively that statistic can't be repeated by just any old offensive coach. Instead of bitching about Kubiak, we should be clapping for Bum's boy, and hoping he can do for the defense what Koobs has been doing for the offense. :hurrah:

Kubiak is a HC, not just an offensive coach. Defensive problems lie at the HC's hands as well.

And his gobbly offensive stats are meaningless at the end of the day when it's the same result in the win column every season especially when you drop down from 9-7 to 6-10 in year 5. Bragging on Kubiak's offensive stats from certain players is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig especially when it's a one half offense for two years straight.

steelbtexan
06-15-2011, 10:39 PM
If you blame Kubiak for the play of the defense last year you have a point. But the real POINT is that his offense had a 4000+ yard passer, a 1200+ yard receiver, and the leading rusher with over 1600 yards. Offensively that statistic can't be repeated by just any old offensive coach. Instead of bitching about Kubiak, we should be clapping for Bum's boy, and hoping he can do for the defense what Koobs has been doing for the offense. :hurrah:

And very few wins

Isn't that the bottom line.

Hope you're right about Son of Bum.