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CloakNNNdagger
06-07-2011, 07:49 AM
Steve Slaton on the outs in Houston (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/07/steve-slaton-on-the-outs-in-houston/)

He made a big splash as a rookie, with 1,282 rushing yards, 377 receiving yards, and 10 touchdowns. Since then, running back Steve Slaton has largely disappeared.

Durability and an inability to hold onto the football landed him in coach Gary Kubiak’s doghouse, and with Arian Foster becoming the NFL’s leading rusher in 2010 and second-round pick Ben Tate still in the hopper after missing all of last season due to injury, Slaton is the odd man out.

And so it’s no surprise that the Texans, per Pro Football Weekly, plan to showcase Slaton during the preseason in the hopes of trading him.

The risk, of course, is that giving Slaton maximum exhibition reps could result in more injuries and/or more fumbles. But with Slaton destined to sit on the bench and unlikely to be willing to embrace grind-it-out special-teams duties in his fourth NFL season, it makes sense for the Texans to try to move Slaton.

Still, with quality running backs being pumped out of college programs every year — and with undrafted gems like Foster lurking under an unturned stone — we can’t imagine anyone giving up anything of real value for Slaton.

How do you showcase him while not stealing practice time from the RBs that will be relied on when the real season begins.......if it ever does?

Doppelganger
06-07-2011, 08:02 AM
Steve Slaton on the outs in Houston (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/07/steve-slaton-on-the-outs-in-houston/)



How do you showcase him while not stealing practice time from the RBs that will be relied on when the real season begins.......if it ever does?

I would say the order of backs is Foster, Ward, Tate, Slaton.

We know what Foster can do, he does not need serious carries in preseason or a ton of practice time. Same with Ward. He did well in the system last year, so he does not need the extra touches. Tate could certainly use the work, but again, he will be the third back. I could see a situation where in preseaon(if there is one) Foster is in for the first series, Ward the second, and Slaton plays through the third. Then Tate comes in and works in the fourth to ease him in.

CloakNNNdagger
06-07-2011, 08:10 AM
I would say the order of backs is Foster, Ward, Tate, Slaton.

We know what Foster can do, he does not need serious carries in preseason or a ton of practice time. Same with Ward. He did well in the system last year, so he does not need the extra touches. Tate could certainly use the work, but again, he will be the third back. I could see a situation where in preseaon(if there is one) Foster is in for the first series, Ward the second, and Slaton plays through the third. Then Tate comes in and works in the fourth to ease him in.

How does that "showcase" Slaton?

Malloy
06-07-2011, 08:30 AM
Playtime alone I guess... alternative was him sitting on the bench through it all ?

Doppelganger
06-07-2011, 08:38 AM
How does that "showcase" Slaton?

Well it would essentially let him play the majority of the touches. The first 2 series would probably take up most if not all of the first quarter. So in essence, he would be in there for the second and third quarters. He would be "showcased" against the starters and second team, and some third teamers and get half the game.

TimeKiller
06-07-2011, 09:08 AM
Steve Slaton on the outs in Houston (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/07/steve-slaton-on-the-outs-in-houston/)



How do you showcase him while not stealing practice time from the RBs that will be relied on when the real season begins.......if it ever does?

I'm not big on preseason reps for bigtime players. Arian Foster could sit the whole preseason out and it wouldn't make a difference to me. Maybe a series per game, MAYBE. Ward gets about 5 touches a game, let Slaton try to do work against somewhat lesser competition to make him look good, maybe sneak a 4th/5th outta someone. Give Tate hopefully more than 1 carry before his season is over, see what we have in the youngster. I don't see a lot to get miffed about here.

GP
06-07-2011, 09:17 AM
Last thing I want to see is Arian Foster getting seriously injured in a meaningless preseason game.

In the past, we HAD to get all the RBs as many reps in preseason as we could...because we were so terrible at RB and we needed to put those guys into the grinder and see what came out (so that we could evaluate and decide who would be the starter in the reg season). Not anymore.

I want Arian Foster in there for the first series to pop pads and stay sharp. Then I want him on the sideline. Same goes for Ward, IMO.

Tate needs the reps. Slaton needs to be "showcased."

I'd play Slaton against the opponent's second and third stringers, to rack up as many highlights as he can. Teams won't care that it was against second and third stringers--They will be impressed by his moves, his tenacity, and will want him. Putting him in there vs. the opponent's starters risks getting Slaton shut down and frustrated and basically impossible to move out of Houston in a trade, IMO.

What we get for him is a whole other discussion. A 3rd rounder would be awesome. Might have to settle for a 4th though. Regardless, getting something back for him is still better than cutting him outright or losing him in free agency.

We need him to understand that he's done here. I would imagine that his agent has already had that talk with him, and that it's understood by all parties that he's essentially auditioning this preseason for his new team.

If there even IS a preseason. Which I don't think there will be.

Tonaaayyyy
06-07-2011, 10:15 AM
Is Trindon Holiday coming back at kickoff returns?

HJam72
06-07-2011, 10:18 AM
In preseason, in the interest of getting ready for the real one, I say we PUNT every time we get the ball. :tiphat:

PS-Somebody please tell Kubiak not to do that in the real games.

Thorn
06-07-2011, 10:55 AM
Ward is good, but he's doesn't have the potential that Tate does. With a shortened practice season though, this gives Ward the advantage. Eventually though, this will turn out to be the Foster and Tate show.

DocBar
06-07-2011, 11:02 AM
Is Trindon Holiday coming back at kickoff returns?Lord, I hope so. SS was horrible returning kicks.
I think it's a good plan to "showcase" his talents and see what we can get for him.

Porky
06-07-2011, 11:34 AM
I think it's a pipe dream to think teams are going to give up much, if anything at all, for this guy. He is a fumble waiting to happen, looks tentative and lost at times, and is a zero in the return game.

Someone explain to me why a team give up more than a late rounder at best. In fact, I think we'll be lucky to get that. RB's are a dime a dozen. They will just wait to see if the Texans release him. And if they lose him to someone on the waiver wire, big deal.

beerlover
06-07-2011, 11:43 AM
I have nothing but positive feelings for Steve moving forward & wish him all the best :tiphat:

Texas T
06-07-2011, 11:49 AM
I think it's a pipe dream to think teams are going to give up much, if anything at all, for this guy. He is a fumble waiting to happen, looks tentative and lost at times, and is a zero in the return game.

Someone explain to me why a team give up more than a late rounder at best. In fact, I think we'll be lucky to get that. RB's are a dime a dozen. They will just wait to see if the Texans release him. And if they lose him to someone on the waiver wire, big deal.

Not that I think we'll get much for him but if RB's are a dime a dozen did it take so long for us to get a decent one??

Oh yeah Smithiack..

IDEXAN
06-07-2011, 12:18 PM
Someone explain to me why a team give up more than a late rounder at best. In fact, I think we'll be lucky to get that. RB's are a dime a dozen. They will just wait to see if the Texans release him. And if they lose him to someone on the waiver wire, big deal.
Anybody else see where the little back from the Houston area, Jacquizz Rodgers who played for Oregan State, go to ATL - 5th round. There's just
no point in giving up high draft picks for backs ? I have no idea why NOLA used a 1st rounder on Heisman trophy winner Ingram ?

OzzO
06-07-2011, 12:24 PM
...There's just
no point in giving up high draft picks for backs ? I have no idea why NOLA used a 1st rounder on Heisman trophy winner Ingram ?

They needed another "decoy"?

gary
06-07-2011, 12:26 PM
Not that I think we'll get much for him but if RB's are a dime a dozen did it take so long for us to get a decent one??

Oh yeah Smithiack..Didn't we think Davis was going to be the guy? Stupid injuries.

silvrhand
06-07-2011, 12:54 PM
Last thing I want to see is Arian Foster getting seriously injured in a meaningless preseason game.



Sorry I disagree Foster had a great season, but that doesn't mean he's going to produce ever season. He still has to show he can consistently put the #'s up and keep his attitude and issues in check.

He's not proven yet IMHO.

Rey
06-07-2011, 01:38 PM
Sorry I disagree Foster had a great season, but that doesn't mean he's going to produce ever season. He still has to show he can consistently put the #'s up and keep his attitude and issues in check.

He's not proven yet IMHO.

I'm not sure how you can disagree with the quote you took from GP....

So you DO want to see Foster injured in a meaningless pre-season game?

Regardless of whether he has proved it over time or not, as of right now and heading into next season he is our franchise caliber starting RB.

If he is going to fail, let him fail in the regular season. Makes no sense to say, "ok Arian, despite leading the league in rushing last year and staying healthy all year we want you to prove yourself in these pre-season games"....

I get the point you are making, but I disagree with your disagreeing about having Arian grind it out in pre-season...

DocBar
06-07-2011, 05:50 PM
Sorry I disagree Foster had a great season, but that doesn't mean he's going to produce ever season. He still has to show he can consistently put the #'s up and keep his attitude and issues in check.

He's not proven yet IMHO.I agree with the 1st part. He's had one great season. We've been bit by this bug before. He has to string a few years of production together. I'm not sure what you mean by his attitude and issues, though. I haven't heard anything really negative about him. He's kind of an odd duck, but that doesn't mean he has a bad attitude.

wildroot
06-07-2011, 06:59 PM
Hell, let Ward, Slaton and Tate fight it out for the two back-up spots behind Foster. Why do we have to go into it saying Slaton's the odd man out? Lets keep the best two and deal the third.

infantrycak
06-07-2011, 07:03 PM
Hell, let Ward, Slaton and Tate fight it out for the two back-up spots behind Foster. Why do we have to go into it saying Slaton's the odd man out? Lets keep the best two and deal the third.

Why deal the third? Why not keep three RB's or even four?

wildroot
06-07-2011, 07:11 PM
Why deal the third? Why not keep three RB's or even four?

The premiss of the thread was that we'd keep 3, and those 3 being Foster, Ward and Tate. Slaton being the trade-bait.

But if they feel like they'd like to keep 4 they can always make room by thinning out the TE posision.

CharloTex
06-07-2011, 07:34 PM
We already know what Foster and Ward can do. Give them 8% each of preseason carries. All the rest of the carries go to see what we have in Tate, showcase Slaton, and field time for undrafted FA's.

rmartin65
06-07-2011, 07:45 PM
they can always make room by thinning out the TE posision.

Don't you ever say that! Do you hear me? Ever!

Texan_Bill
06-07-2011, 08:44 PM
Steve Slaton, meh! Thanks for a great rookie season.


Thanks for nothing else.

badboy
06-07-2011, 09:42 PM
I was hoping Slaton would be able to make the roster in pre-season but I would not use a spot for him as it appears there will not be much of a pre-season if any. This is a case of a player being mis-used by a coaching staff.

If injuries decimate team, pick up a FA during season. Slaton could probably still be available & knows system.

GP
06-07-2011, 10:17 PM
In terms of trading players: If there's no preseason, I think he'll get cut outright. This labor issue, if unresolved until right at the midnight hour of starting the reg season, is going to cause a lot of teams to just cut guys instead of working the trade routes. There simply will not be enough time for teams to dedicate the time needed to work the trade avenues and find homes for all the trade bait players. I think there will be a FLOOD of free agents like never before.

By the way, go to the bottom lefthand side of this ESPN NFL page (http://espn.go.com/nfl/)...and look at the tweets about how the drama might be over by late June or early July. Seems there is either some real credibility here OR it's just wishful thinking that will stumble to a stop tomorrow when we hear that there was nothing of significance at all about the talks. Could end up that the 8th Circuit is scaring the buhjeezus out of both the owners AND the players, and so both sides want a way to avoid a lengthy battle.

Rey
06-07-2011, 10:56 PM
Why deal the third? Why not keep three RB's or even four?

From reading the linked info I think they don't see Slaton as providing any value on special teams...The info also said that by him being a fourth year guy he probably won't be enthusiastic about playing special teams any ways...

badboy
06-08-2011, 09:56 AM
From reading the linked info I think they don't see Slaton as providing any value on special teams...The info also said that by him being a fourth year guy he probably won't be enthusiastic about playing special teams any ways...he should be enthused to be on roster in any capacity, getting a paycheck and hopefully showing some coach he can play.

CloakNNNdagger
06-25-2011, 09:15 AM
Uneven Steve(n): (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15264374/tip-sheet-bengals-owner-browns-spending-prescient/rss)He likely won't say so publicly, but sources say one veteran runner who probably would welcome a trade once the lockout ends is Houston fourth-year tailback Steve Slaton.

The former West Virginia star, a third-round choice in the 2008 draft, rushed for a team-best 1,282 yards and nine touchdowns as a rookie. But a shoulder injury has plagued him the past two seasons, limiting Slaton to 150 rushes and 530 yards. Last year, after losing the starting job to Arian Foster, he logged just 19 carries and 93 yards, and didn't score a touchdown.

Slaton is only 25 years old, doesn't have a lot of tread rubbed off the tires yet, and is a good receiver, so he could be an attractive No. 2 back for some team seeking to bolster the position. Rumors have linked him to St. Louis, where the Rams could use a reliable back capable of getting 6-8 touches per game, to reduce the workload for Steven Jackson, but the talk has been unsubstantiated.

Slaton is under contract for 2011 at the league-minimum base salary, then would be eligible for free agency next spring. For the right price, though, he would provide a solid, experienced back for a year. The Texans already have Foster and reports have been good on the recovery of 2010 second-rounder Ben Tate, who missed his entire rookie campaign because of a fractured ankle, so Slaton may be expendable.

Dutchrudder
06-25-2011, 10:53 AM
I would be impressed with Rick Smith if he could get a 5th round pick for Slaton, but I think he will be cut during camp instead.

GP
06-25-2011, 10:54 AM
Uneven Steve(n): (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15264374/tip-sheet-bengals-owner-browns-spending-prescient/rss)...Rumors have linked him to St. Louis, where the Rams could use a reliable back capable of getting 6-8 touches per game, to reduce the workload for Steven Jackson, but the talk has been unsubstantiated...

6-8 touches per game?

Breaks down to like 2 carries per quarter. At that pace, he can play in the league until he's 48.

He should go play UFL or CFL or Arena. I just don't see it working out in the NFL.

DocBar
06-25-2011, 11:16 AM
I was hoping Slaton would be able to make the roster in pre-season but I would not use a spot for him as it appears there will not be much of a pre-season if any. This is a case of a player being mis-used by a coaching staff.
If injuries decimate team, pick up a FA during season. Slaton could probably still be available & knows system.SS was drafted to be a 3rd down/change of pace back/returner. Injuries and his great play his rookie year dictated how he was used. I don't blame that on the coaching staff. Myself and a few others were talking about him reverting back to what he was originally drafted for when a bunch of others were anointing him the next great thing. SS was very Barry Sanders-esque in that he got the majority of his yards on a few big plays and had a LOT of stops for little or no gain, if not a loss. Unfortunately, SS is no Barry Sanders.

gary
06-25-2011, 11:27 AM
I would keep him if he is under one play just might end a season for someone just ask Ben Tate. There are never enough RB's.

Rey
06-25-2011, 09:42 PM
Coming out of college I didn't like slaton. He showed little vision and often ran into the backs of his lineman. As a former offensive linemen I can't stand when rb's do that.

I think that some of it is just laziness and some of it is scariness. Much easier to run into the backs of blockers and look like you're giving effort than to actually make some things happen. Once he started fumbling his vision magically regressed. Slaton has talent but he is much too timid. Needs to shake that of he'll ever be successful.

badboy
06-25-2011, 10:23 PM
SS was drafted to be a 3rd down/change of pace back/returner. Injuries and his great play his rookie year dictated how he was used. I don't blame that on the coaching staff. Myself and a few others were talking about him reverting back to what he was originally drafted for when a bunch of others were anointing him the next great thing. SS was very Barry Sanders-esque in that he got the majority of his yards on a few big plays and had a LOT of stops for little or no gain, if not a loss. Unfortunately, SS is no Barry Sanders.I remember it differently. I saw a coach that all of a sudden had a RB that was getting yards and he ran him in the ground. Why was he not used as a swing or running around the end. Maybe one of the posters that have access to film will prove me wrong but seems Slaton went up the middle a whole lot.

badboy
06-25-2011, 10:28 PM
Coming out of college I didn't like slaton. He showed little vision and often ran into the backs of his lineman. As a former offensive linemen I can't stand when rb's do that.

I think that some of it is just laziness and some of it is scariness. Much easier to run into the backs of blockers and look like you're giving effort than to actually make some things happen. Once he started fumbling his vision magically regressed. Slaton has talent but he is much too timid. Needs to shake that of he'll ever be successful.

Maybe or maybe the big boys did not move their opponent out of the running lane? I did not follow Slaton so I'll take your word for it.

GP
06-25-2011, 10:46 PM
I remember it differently. I saw a coach that all of a sudden had a RB that was getting yards and he ran him in the ground. Why was he not used as a swing or running around the end. Maybe one of the posters that have access to film will prove me wrong but seems Slaton went up the middle a whole lot.

I just saw a guy get the ball, stutter step forward, and essentially find the nearest blocker and ram his ass...only to fall down as the defenders swarmed him.

To me, rey is spot-on with his analysis. Steve Slaton doesn't have the mental edge that a guy like Arian Foster has.

Steve is acting like something very traumatic happened--like he watched his buddy get killed in 'Nam--and he just can't find the inner strength to do incredibly easy things such as "hold onto the ball" or "find a gap and hit the damn thing as hard as he can."

Not the same guy anymore. Shell-shocked. Had neck injury, fumbling problems, said his arm went all numb when he was hit in the head a certain way (well gee whiz, I wonder why he can't hold onto the ball???).

Snakebit Slaton. He's getting the Kris Brown treatment, though: Being kept around for a tryout during camp to see if he can hang onto the roster spot. He's making the league minimum for vets and might be in his last year here, if I correctly recall recent info on his contract terms.

NFL life is a cold-blooded snake. Don't care who it bites. It just keeps on rolling along.

badboy
06-25-2011, 11:08 PM
I just saw a guy get the ball, stutter step forward, and essentially find the nearest blocker and ram his ass...only to fall down as the defenders swarmed him.

To me, rey is spot-on with his analysis. Steve Slaton doesn't have the mental edge that a guy like Arian Foster has.

Steve is acting like something very traumatic happened--like he watched his buddy get killed in 'Nam--and he just can't find the inner strength to do incredibly easy things such as "hold onto the ball" or "find a gap and hit the damn thing as hard as he can."

Not the same guy anymore. Shell-shocked. Had neck injury, fumbling problems, said his arm went all numb when he was hit in the head a certain way (well gee whiz, I wonder why he can't hold onto the ball???).

Snakebit Slaton. He's getting the Kris Brown treatment, though: Being kept around for a tryout during camp to see if he can hang onto the roster spot. He's making the league minimum for vets and might be in his last year here, if I correctly recall recent info on his contract terms.

NFL life is a cold-blooded snake. Don't care who it bites. It just keeps on rolling along.

Agree with everything you say but if bolded is true how did he get all the yardage?

CloakNNNdagger
06-25-2011, 11:56 PM
Agree with everything you say but if bolded is true how did he get all the yardage?

He tended to chalk up occasional long runs to go along with his many short and no gain runs. Those short gain/no gain runs many times left us wanting in 3rd down situations.

DocBar
06-26-2011, 03:04 AM
I remember it differently. I saw a coach that all of a sudden had a RB that was getting yards and he ran him in the ground. Why was he not used as a swing or running around the end. Maybe one of the posters that have access to film will prove me wrong but seems Slaton went up the middle a whole lot.You can see it however you want to but the result is the same. Fortunately for the Texans, SS developed a case of fumblitis and we now get to root for Arian Foster.
You can always go back and review old games and see what I'm talking about.

HJam72
06-26-2011, 02:01 PM
I remember it differently. I saw a coach that all of a sudden had a RB that was getting yards and he ran him in the ground. Why was he not used as a swing or running around the end. Maybe one of the posters that have access to film will prove me wrong but seems Slaton went up the middle a whole lot.

They all run up the middle a lot. You can't consistently "run around the end" in the NFL because the LBs are too fast and don't have to run as far as you. They just run along the LOS in a straight line and you get no gain even if you outrun them a little. You have to be stud WR fast to outrun them that much and WRs who take handoffs too much WILL get hurt. Sweeps just don't work well in the NFL. These "slant" runs we run all the time going to just outside the DEs require just as much blocking as runnnig up the middle, but we are better at blocking for them because of the ZBS. Anyway, they are not sweeps. Sweeps are for high school, where LBs are slow.

thunderkyss
06-26-2011, 04:46 PM
The next time Ben Tate makes it out of training camp healthy........


will be the first time.

I'm all about getting something for Slaton while we can, but..... I'd have him take the majority of snaps in the preseason, to ensure the rest of the stable remains healthy.

& the Trade Deadline will be sometime during the season.... it makes sense to keep him on the roster till then, or we'll probably be looking to replace him with a street FA.

GP
06-26-2011, 05:59 PM
The next time Ben Tate makes it out of training camp healthy........


will be the first time.

I'm all about getting something for Slaton while we can, but..... I'd have him take the majority of snaps in the preseason, to ensure the rest of the stable remains healthy.

& the Trade Deadline will be sometime during the season.... it makes sense to keep him on the roster till then, or we'll probably be looking to replace him with a street FA.

Why not just cut him NOW and grab an UDFA...you know, sort of like we did with Arian Foster?

You are too sentimental and not forward-thinking enough, TK. We don't need Steve Slaton anymore. It's inexcusable to have him on the roster at all, actually. More of the same from the Care Bear Kubiak staff: Gotta' let the kids battle and try to hang onto a sliver of hope.

Tell me how Steve Slaton in 2011 (his fourth year now) can regain his rookie year form? He's gone. Left the building. Maybe not in terms of roster, but he's mentally and emotionally vacant. Unless he's reborn as a new NFL man or something, which I doubt.

I just don't get it. He doesn't have have trade value. He can't return kicks, hell he can't even hold onto them and make anything out of all that empty space in front of him. Lost as a blind goose in a blizzard.

dalemurphy
06-26-2011, 06:08 PM
I remember it differently. I saw a coach that all of a sudden had a RB that was getting yards and he ran him in the ground. Why was he not used as a swing or running around the end. Maybe one of the posters that have access to film will prove me wrong but seems Slaton went up the middle a whole lot.

In the zone blocking/ zone running system, I would estimate 50% of all the runs called for Slaton were designed to go outside the TE. The job of the running back on the "stretch" runs is to press hard to the edge and continue to the sideline if the pursuit is slow but read the backside for the possibility of a cutback lane.

thunderkyss
06-26-2011, 06:20 PM
Why not just cut him NOW and grab an UDFA...you know, sort of like we did with Arian Foster?

You are too sentimental and not forward-thinking enough, TK. We don't need Steve Slaton anymore. It's inexcusable to have him on the roster at all, actually. More of the same from the Care Bear Kubiak staff: Gotta' let the kids battle and try to hang onto a sliver of hope.

Tell me how Steve Slaton in 2011 (his fourth year now) can regain his rookie year form? He's gone. Left the building. Maybe not in terms of roster, but he's mentally and emotionally vacant. Unless he's reborn as a new NFL man or something, which I doubt.

I just don't get it. He doesn't have have trade value. He can't return kicks, hell he can't even hold onto them and make anything out of all that empty space in front of him. Lost as a blind goose in a blizzard.

Maybe you didn't noticed, but Steve Slaton picked up 4.9 ypc in 2010... 0 fumbles. That is pretty much his rookie year, except he didn't get as many carries.

His carries were reduced, not because he couldn't play, or didn't warrant the carries, Kubiak was focused on Foster.... that's all.

5 years of Kubiak & we finally get a running back who happens to be a UDFA & you think we'll easily find another.

Foster is the man.......

Ward is a good back up...

Slaton is worth keeping..... Trade him if you get a killer deal.. but don't trade him just to trade him.

dalemurphy
06-26-2011, 07:27 PM
Maybe you didn't noticed, but Steve Slaton picked up 4.9 ypc in 2010... 0 fumbles. That is pretty much his rookie year, except he didn't get as many carries.

His carries were reduced, not because he couldn't play, or didn't warrant the carries, Kubiak was focused on Foster.... that's all.

5 years of Kubiak & we finally get a running back who happens to be a UDFA & you think we'll easily find another.

Foster is the man.......

Ward is a good back up...

Slaton is worth keeping..... Trade him if you get a killer deal.. but don't trade him just to trade him.


TK, Those are very deceptive numbers. He ran very tentatively and was hideous on special teams. Based on the visual evidence the past two seasons, Slaton is the 4th best RB on the team right now. So, he could make the squad. The question is whether keeping a 4th RB that is unlikely to participate in special teams is a good idea. Also, it would be foolish not to take advantage of a trade offer for a 4th RB in the last year of his deal if one is presented to the Texans. I think those are the reasons that he's unlikely to be a Texan in 2011.

Norg
06-26-2011, 07:57 PM
Better hope Tate does not turn into a bust or else we will have a weak rb core

Rey
06-26-2011, 08:00 PM
Better hope Tate does not turn into a bust or else we will have a weak rb core

Having two good backs behind an all pro is luxury.

Not very many teams are legitimately three deep at rb.

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2011, 08:18 PM
Maybe you didn't noticed, but Steve Slaton picked up 4.9 ypc in 2010... 0 fumbles. That is pretty much his rookie year, except he didn't get as many carries.

His carries were reduced, not because he couldn't play, or didn't warrant the carries, Kubiak was focused on Foster.... that's all.

5 years of Kubiak & we finally get a running back who happens to be a UDFA & you think we'll easily find another.

Foster is the man.......

Ward is a good back up...

Slaton is worth keeping..... Trade him if you get a killer deal.. but don't trade him just to trade him.

Won't argue with that..........BUT........PLEASE, IF WE DO KEEP HIM< DON'T LET HIM RETURN ANYMORE KICKS.........PLEASE!

dalemurphy
06-26-2011, 08:36 PM
Won't argue with that..........BUT........PLEASE, IF WE DO KEEP HIM< DON'T LET HIM RETURN ANYMORE KICKS.........PLEASE!

that should be the team slogan for 2011:

"Don't Let Slaton Return Anymore Kicks, Please!" or maybe just "Texans 2011-Recognizing Disaster and Doing Something About It"... Texans, please print this all over my tickets when you send them out.

DocBar
06-26-2011, 08:40 PM
Maybe you didn't noticed, but Steve Slaton picked up 4.9 ypc in 2010... 0 fumbles. That is pretty much his rookie year, except he didn't get as many carries.

His carries were reduced, not because he couldn't play, or didn't warrant the carries, Kubiak was focused on Foster.... that's all.

5 years of Kubiak & we finally get a running back who happens to be a UDFA & you think we'll easily find another.

Foster is the man.......

Ward is a good back up...

Slaton is worth keeping..... Trade him if you get a killer deal.. but don't trade him just to trade him.That's a bit of revisionist history there, TK. SS couldn't hold on to the ball, had a neck injury and arm numbness that, in part, rendered him ineffective. He lost his starting job because he was inconsistent and not dependable. Going into last season, every one who ke[t up with the Texans knew SS wasn't our #1 or #2 back.
I see no reason to tie up a roster spot with him for a #4 RB. He stunk it up returning kicks, so why keep him? Are you forgetting about Tate? He's supposed to be a stud RB in his own right. Trade SS if you can, cut him if you can't.

thunderkyss
06-26-2011, 08:47 PM
TK, Those are very deceptive numbers. He ran very tentatively and was hideous on special teams. Based on the visual evidence the past two seasons, Slaton is the 4th best RB on the team right now. So, he could make the squad. The question is whether keeping a 4th RB that is unlikely to participate in special teams is a good idea. Also, it would be foolish not to take advantage of a trade offer for a 4th RB in the last year of his deal if one is presented to the Texans. I think those are the reasons that he's unlikely to be a Texan in 2011.

If there is a good deal out there, something that will make the team better....... I've got no problem with that. I'm just saying I wouldn't trade him just to trade him. I don't think we can find a better RB option on the street or undrafted.

The trade deadline is weeks into the season, no reason to hurry.

By the way, I don't agree with your analysis of his running this year. I think he was a better runner in 2010 than he was in 2008. 2008, His speed & his burst made up for a poor offensive line.

thunderkyss
06-26-2011, 09:01 PM
That's a bit of revisionist history there, TK. SS couldn't hold on to the ball, had a neck injury and arm numbness that, in part, rendered him ineffective. He lost his starting job because he was inconsistent and not dependable. Going into last season, every one who ke[t up with the Texans knew SS wasn't our #1 or #2 back.
I see no reason to tie up a roster spot with him for a #4 RB. He stunk it up returning kicks, so why keep him? Are you forgetting about Tate? He's supposed to be a stud RB in his own right. Trade SS if you can, cut him if you can't.

Revisionist? I don't think so. I know why he lost the starting role in 2009. He had a neck injury. 2010, I would bet the Texans were being extremely cautious like they are with everyone not named Mario.

But when they gave him the ball, Slaton did his job.

I didn't forget about Tate. Neither did I forget about Tony Hollings, or Bennie Joppru, or Tony Boselli, or Dunta Robinson (who wasn't the same after his injury).

In the last 5 years, there have only been two RBs that were worth a crap. Arian Foster & Steve Slaton. I'm just saying keep him as long as we can. If we get an offer of a first round pick, or a starting cornerback...... do it.

But to trade him for a song, doesn't make sense to me.

badboy
06-26-2011, 09:36 PM
In the zone blocking/ zone running system, I would estimate 50% of all the runs called for Slaton were designed to go outside the TE. The job of the running back on the "stretch" runs is to press hard to the edge and continue to the sideline if the pursuit is slow but read the backside for the possibility of a cutback lane.That's what I thought but TJAM72 just said something else if I am reading it correctly.

steelbtexan
06-26-2011, 09:37 PM
TK,

Ward was better than you give him credit for. He was certianly no crappy RB.

badboy
06-26-2011, 09:40 PM
that should be the team slogan for 2011:

"Don't Let Slaton Return Anymore Kicks, Please!" or maybe just "Texans 2011-Recognizing Disaster and Doing Something About It"... Texans, please print this all over my tickets when you send them out.As long as it is not Kubiak's "We hope to stay close and get some shots in the fourth".

thunderkyss
06-26-2011, 10:02 PM
TK,

Ward was better than you give him credit for. He was certianly no crappy RB.

Where did I say Ward was crappy?

All I'm saying, as much as I like Foster, I'd love going into the season with Ward, Tate & Slaton behind him.

God forbids Tate gets hurt in the preseason, or Ward...... or any of them.

Slaton is the only guy who carried the rock for a season as the man other than Foster.

I'd hate to go into the season with Tate slated as our #1, Ward as our #2 & some guy cut from the Browns a week before the season starts.

Slaton is a luxury. Let's hold on to him until someone offers something real.

DocBar
06-26-2011, 10:34 PM
Revisionist? I don't think so. I know why he lost the starting role in 2009. He had a neck injury. 2010, I would bet the Texans were being extremely cautious like they are with everyone not named Mario.

But when they gave him the ball, Slaton did his job.

I didn't forget about Tate. Neither did I forget about Tony Hollings, or Bennie Joppru, or Tony Boselli, or Dunta Robinson (who wasn't the same after his injury).

In the last 5 years, there have only been two RBs that were worth a crap. Arian Foster & Steve Slaton. I'm just saying keep him as long as we can. If we get an offer of a first round pick, or a starting cornerback...... do it.

But to trade him for a song, doesn't make sense to me.I disagree with you completely. SS was a one year wonder/flash in the pan. I was worried about him flopping when he was having a great rookie campaign because of his tendency to have 40 yds on 19 carries, then bust a big one to get his average up. That happens with him a lot.
I just don't see the logic of keeping him when he can't even contribute on special teams.
Why would someone give up a 1st or a starter for someone who will be 4th on depth chart of the Houston Texans?? Someone might give that for a player on the Pats or Colts, but NOT the Texans.

Norg
06-26-2011, 11:13 PM
Having two good backs behind an all pro is luxury.

Not very many teams are legitimately three deep at rb.

Well if we cut slaton and ward retires in 2013 then what ????? Lol

beerlover
06-26-2011, 11:18 PM
this is a tough one to digest. luckily the Texans now have some depth @ RB position so they can deal from a position of strength. that's something new!

I would say he can be dealt for the right asking price, probably a 5th rounder? or kept as insurance & used more in a receiving role.

steelbtexan
06-26-2011, 11:21 PM
Revisionist? I don't think so. I know why he lost the starting role in 2009. He had a neck injury. 2010, I would bet the Texans were being extremely cautious like they are with everyone not named Mario.

But when they gave him the ball, Slaton did his job.

I didn't forget about Tate. Neither did I forget about Tony Hollings, or Bennie Joppru, or Tony Boselli, or Dunta Robinson (who wasn't the same after his injury).

In the last 5 years, there have only been two RBs that were worth a crap. Arian Foster & Steve Slaton. I'm just saying keep him as long as we can. If we get an offer of a first round pick, or a starting cornerback...... do it.

But to trade him for a song, doesn't make sense to me.

1st line of last paragraph

[/Quote] In the last 5 yrs there have only been 2 RB's worth a crap. Arian Foster and Steve Slaton. Sounds to me like you're lumping Ward in with the rest of the crappy RB's that have worn a Texans uni.

dalemurphy
06-27-2011, 12:11 AM
If there is a good deal out there, something that will make the team better....... I've got no problem with that. I'm just saying I wouldn't trade him just to trade him. I don't think we can find a better RB option on the street or undrafted.

The trade deadline is weeks into the season, no reason to hurry.

By the way, I don't agree with your analysis of his running this year. I think he was a better runner in 2010 than he was in 2008. 2008, His speed & his burst made up for a poor offensive line.

TK, that's just crazy. Slaton was a great runner in 2008. Since his injury, he has been a shell of that player. I can understand disagreeing with me about exactly how much his play has fallen off... but, to actually assert he ran better in 2010 than in 2008 is foolishness.

GP
06-27-2011, 02:20 AM
I think he was a better runner in 2010 than he was in 2008.

http://www.tinygif.com/data/media/15/steve-austin.gif

Your assertion that he was a better runner in 2010 than in 2008 is a difficult position to defend, if not a flat out impossibility. What on earth can you discuss here that can support your claims?

I guess if Steve Slaton can build off the big year he had in 2010, then he's going to be in for a rip-roarin' 2011.

thunderkyss
06-27-2011, 10:30 PM
http://www.tinygif.com/data/media/15/steve-austin.gif

Your assertion that he was a better runner in 2010 than in 2008 is a difficult position to defend, if not a flat out impossibility. What on earth can you discuss here that can support your claims?

I guess if Steve Slaton can build off the big year he had in 2010, then he's going to be in for a rip-roarin' 2011.

He averaged 4.9 ypc on what averaged out to 2 carries per game. If he touched the ball that little in 2008, I doubt he would have averaged 3 ypc. Just like everyone is saying, he'd break a huge run to get his average up in 2008, not so in 2010.

thunderkyss
06-27-2011, 10:34 PM
this is a tough one to digest. luckily the Texans now have some depth @ RB position so they can deal from a position of strength. that's something new!

I would say he can be dealt for the right asking price, probably a 5th rounder? or kept as insurance & used more in a receiving role.

What if we could get a good CB prospect for Derrick Ward, or a 4th round pick?

Put him on the block, get something decent & we've got Tate & Slaton as depth.

Keep in mind, Slaton is younger & just as explosive. SS got you 5 ypc on limited touches......... & IMO Slaton is a much better option as a receiver out of the backfield.

dalemurphy
06-27-2011, 10:36 PM
He averaged 4.9 ypc on what averaged out to 2 carries per game. If he touched the ball that little in 2008, I doubt he would have averaged 3 ypc. Just like everyone is saying, he'd break a huge run to get his average up in 2008, not so in 2010.

TK:

1. Sample Size (way too small to extrapolate)
2. Situation (5yds on 3rd and 12 is a lot different than a 3rd and one run)

False Start
07-07-2011, 05:54 PM
Slaton Would Welcome A Trade Out Of Houston (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/07/07/slaton-would-welcome-a-trade-out-of-houston/)

Once the lockout is over and the Texans come back to work, one of the key roster questions is what they’re going to do with their backfield. They will likely carry just three running backs on the roster but there are four candidates for those three spots. If Steve Slaton is the odd man out. He tells SportsRadio 610 he’d welcome a trade to another team.

I say lets see what the Texans can get for him. I think it will be hard for him to break the RB rotation barring major injuries. I also think they can find someone else to run the ball straight into a group of defenders on kick returns.

GP
07-07-2011, 06:08 PM
Slaton Would Welcome A Trade Out Of Houston (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/07/07/slaton-would-welcome-a-trade-out-of-houston/)



I say lets see what the Texans can get for him. I think it will be hard for him to break the RB rotation barring major injuries. I also think they can find someone else to run the ball straight into a group of defenders on kick returns.

We can't trade him now. He's running better now than he was in his rookie year.

thunderkyss
07-07-2011, 08:10 PM
We can't trade him now. He's running better now than he was in his rookie year.

While I'm all for keeping Slaton on the roster I wouldn't say he is untradeable.

I am 100% against throwing him away for a 5th or later pick, might as well just cut him.

I personally wouldn't take nothing less than a third..... because he is running as good as he did his rookie season & he's worth more to this roster than a 4th rounder...... IMO.

If we can trade Slaton & Dressen or Slaton & Antonio Smith for Brent Grimes (is he going to be a FA) then I would do it.

GP
07-07-2011, 08:56 PM
While I'm all for keeping Slaton on the roster I wouldn't say he is untradeable.

I am 100% against throwing him away for a 5th or later pick, might as well just cut him.

I personally wouldn't take nothing less than a third..... because he is running as good as he did his rookie season & he's worth more to this roster than a 4th rounder...... IMO.

If we can trade Slaton & Dressen or Slaton & Antonio Smith for Brent Grimes (is he going to be a FA) then I would do it.

You do know that I don't think he's running better than he did in 2008, right?

I'd trade him for a 5th rounder. A 5th rounder can be paired up with another draft pick and allow us to move up in the draft. Our 4th and a donated 5th from Slaton's new victim...err, umm, TEAM!...could let us get an extra 3rd rounder. Two 3rd round picks in 2012 is OK with me.

I don't understand why you set the line at 3rd rounder. He WAS a 3rd rounder, and he's only hurt his own stock since 2008. No way in Lubbock, TX would any NFL team give up a 3rd rounder for him. We might have been able to get a 2nd rounder for him after 2008, but then again Arian Foster had not hit the scene in time for us to do that deal...until Arian Foster came along, we had one guy (Slaton) and nobody else.

Foster, Ward, and possibly a healthy Tate just flat out render Slaton useless here ESPECIALLY when you factor in that Kubiak is going to add at least 1 or 2 more UDFA guys at RB to supplement and possibly stick on the Practice Squad. RB is no longer this team's problem to solve, TK. I suppose Slaton could wait for the three guys ahead of him to get hurt enough to be out indefinitely...but come on, man, it ain't happenin'.

It feels like this has become more about you rooting for a guy down on his luck, and needing a boost of support from the team and its fans, than the true business aspect that is known as the NFL. This isn't Rudy at Notre Dame.

thunderkyss
07-07-2011, 09:22 PM
It feels like this has become more about you rooting for a guy down on his luck, and needing a boost of support from the team and its fans, than the true business aspect that is known as the NFL. This isn't Rudy at Notre Dame.

Slaton ran every bit as good as Ward did in 2011.

Even if Kubiak signs a few UDFA RBs, he won't let them see the field unless the season is already over. Slaton is on the Roster & will get touches if any one of the three guys ahead of him (assuming Tate makes it out of training camp) can't go for any week.

I don't care about 5th round picks for 2012, especially if my name is Gary (most likely won't be here in 2012) Kubiak. I'd use my existing 5th round pick & 4th to trade up for a 3rd if my name wasn't Rick (most likely won't be here in 2012) Smith.

If we can't trade Slaton for something that will help us in 2011, I wouldn't do it. To me, he still has value for this roster...

Again, I'm not against trading him, but trade him for something to help us get over the hump in 2011, not 2012 or 2013 or later.

& it's not like I'm overvaluing him either, I'm talking about trades like Slaton, Diles, & McCain for Terrance Newman.

GP
07-07-2011, 09:39 PM
Slaton ran every bit as good as Ward did in 2011.

Even if Kubiak signs a few UDFA RBs, he won't let them see the field unless the season is already over. Slaton is on the Roster & will get touches if any one of the three guys ahead of him (assuming Tate makes it out of training camp) can't go for any week.

I don't care about 5th round picks for 2012, especially if my name is Gary (most likely won't be here in 2012) Kubiak. I'd use my existing 5th round pick & 4th to trade up for a 3rd if my name wasn't Rick (most likely won't be here in 2012) Smith.

If we can't trade Slaton for something that will help us in 2011, I wouldn't do it. To me, he still has value for this roster...

Again, I'm not against trading him, but trade him for something to help us get over the hump in 2011, not 2012 or 2013 or later.

& it's not like I'm overvaluing him either, I'm talking about trades like Slaton, Diles, & McCain for Terrance Newman.

1. Kubiak is not getting fired unless we go 2-14. Period. We've all hashed this over here, this past off-season, and we all know that Gary will get his last season no matter what. Wade Phillips is a new d-coord, we're in a lockout year, and McNair just won't cut Kubiak loose unless the whole thing goes bonkers early AND often. Which it won't. So let's stop acting like Gary or Rick can't think about the 2012 draft and how they could USE Slaton as trade bait now and get some sort of something for him rather than letting him David Carr us.

2. I sure wished I had recorded all of Slaton's runs last year. If I had, I could play for you a lowlight reel that shows Slaton getting in a log jam 90% of the time and then maybe getting some garbage time yards late in games to make up for it. Face it: Foster and Ward were THE guys the whole way (except for Foster getting benched vs. Raiders for like ONE quarter of play). Slaton was relegated to kickoff duties and he did a fantastically piss poor job of handling it. I have never seen this team stick with a kick returner who was as miserable at it as Slaton was. It was laughable.

3. I can't wait for Slaton to get his wishes and go somewhere else. He can talk to the media about how undervalued he was here, joining such great undervalued legends as David Carr, Faggins, Ahman Green, Dunta Robinson, etc. He's found himself with full membership privileges in the Texans Treated Me Badly club with those guys.

beerlover
07-07-2011, 10:39 PM
I've thought about this some more & would like to see Texans bring them all into camp to compete & battle. In the end however it should be a one two of Foster & Tate. You can just never have too many good RB's with the injury rates for RB position.

GP
07-08-2011, 08:41 AM
I've thought about this some more & would like to see Texans bring them all into camp to compete & battle. In the end however it should be a one two of Foster & Tate. You can just never have too many good RB's with the injury rates for RB position.

With Ward at the 3, at worst.

But I think since we re-signed Ward and Tate is coming off injury, the Texans will want to use Ward and try to let Tate get as few snaps as possible.

It only makes sense to hold back Tate as long as you can, since this will actually be his rookie season for us. If something happens to Foster or Ward, then Tate will easily find himself right there in the mix of things.

Slaton is our 4th RB, which I think he should be cut at the next-to-last round of cuts or the last round of cuts (if we can't find a spot for him). Teams probably won't deal with us for a trade because they, too, know that he's the 4th guy on our roster. It's patently obvious to anybody who's been paying even the slightest attention to our running game. Each team's free agent scouts know what's up here, just like they knew what was up with Carr--Which is why nobody significant wanted to deal with us for him; they just waited for us to cut Carr. A no-brainer for Carr, and a no-brainer for Slaton.

They need to try and trade him BEFORE camp, IMO. But maybe they want him through camp in case of training camp injury possibilities to any of the 3 guys ahead of him. THAT could be the motivation to not try for a pre-camp trade. And with the huge shuffle of players in a short window of time, due to the lockout, I don't know that Slaton would get moved in time or that a team would give up anything for him. He's in a jam.

Overall, I think he'll end up getting cut because everybody knows he's 4th man on the roster.

Rey
07-08-2011, 09:42 AM
I believe the texans cut Carr so he could choose where he ended up.

I believe there were teams out there that would have given up a late round pick for him at the time.

Dutchrudder
07-08-2011, 09:44 AM
Slaton is due 1.2 million this year. There is no way the Texans are going to pay that much for a broke down #4 RB. That's money that needs to be spent on LB and NT depth. Slaton will surely be traded or cut loose.

HOU-TEX
07-08-2011, 09:51 AM
It's all about "what have you done for me lately". What has Slaton done lately? Nothing.

I like the guy, but he was horrible in the kicking game and had terrible vision as a RB last season. RB's like Slaton are a dime a dozen, so we're not going to get much in return.

GP
07-08-2011, 11:05 AM
I believe the texans cut Carr so he could choose where he ended up.

I believe there were teams out there that would have given up a late round pick for him at the time.

David Carr killed the trade chances because he wouldn't be able to choose his destination. Plus, he probably didn't like the idea of his legacy being a #1 pick who was traded for a 6th or 7th rounder.

It has always been about "appearances" with that guy.

He banked an extra $8 million via his Goodbye Sweetheart Season with the Texans under new HC Kubiak, was given a full release (rather than us trading him to somebody) and he still had the nerve to talk trash on us.

Now, Steve Slaton is saying he welcomes a trade before or during camp. I say grant him his wish! At least TRY to get something, anything, for him. Otherwise, we're just going to cut him to save the dough like dutchrudder was saying.

However, like I have said earlier, I think the other 31 teams know full well that they can just wait for him to hit the waiver wire and not have to give up a draft pick for him. He's not a hot enough commodity that a team will fear losing him due to waiver wire position.

I can't believe we're having to analyze and discuss this, actually. It's the biggest no-brainer move that's on the board when you get right down to it.

drs23
07-08-2011, 11:09 AM
David Carr killed the trade chances because he wouldn't be able to choose his destination. Plus, he probably didn't like the idea of his legacy being a #1 pick who was traded for a 6th or 7th rounder.

It has always been about "appearances" with that guy.

He banked an extra $8 million via his Goodbye Sweetheart Season with the Texans under new HC Kubiak, was given a full release (rather than us trading him to somebody) and he still had the nerve to talk trash on us.

Now, Steve Slaton is saying he welcomes a trade before or during camp. I say grant him his wish! At least TRY to get something, anything, for him. Otherwise, we're just going to cut him to save the dough like dutchrudder was saying.

However, like I have said earlier, I think the other 31 teams know full well that they can just wait for him to hit the waiver wire and not have to give up a draft pick for him. He's not a hot enough commodity that a team will fear losing him due to waiver wire position.

I can't believe we're having to analyze and discuss this, actually. It's the biggest no-brainer move that's on the board when you get right down to it.

Yup, it's a no brainer. Slayton's a goner.

El Tejano
07-08-2011, 11:36 AM
I'm agreeing with Thunderkyss. I'm not letting a guy who had a 1k season just only two years ago walk that easy. I'm keeping him here to compete with the old guy (Ward) and the rookie who hasn't played a down of football due to a broken ankle (Tate).

Slaton, when given the opportunity, did look good when he ran. It wasn't garbage time either. In the Indy game, he actually ripped off a decent 10 yard run where if he hadn't been tripped up he would've broke it for a TD. In Oakland, he did well in the first half before being replaced by Foster too.

If you recall, Slaton also has displayed some very good WR skills. The ability to roll your RB out in the wideout spot and him demand coverage (look at the game at Tenn in his rookie year) is a very valuable thing to have in your back up RB.

Now is he as good as he was in 08? That remains to be seen but I'm not throwing the towel in on that dude just yet because he does have skills.

Matter of fact, if you wait to trade him after competing in camp, you can always tell whoever is inquiring that he's a result of a numbers game and you want to give him a better opportunity. If you try to trade him right now for a 5th, what does it say about his real value?

El Tejano
07-08-2011, 11:38 AM
Yup, it's a no brainer. Slayton's a goner.

That guy Slayton has been a goner for a while. We are talking about Slaton.

GP
07-08-2011, 11:47 AM
I'm done with the project. Too many people want to act like this is a baby bird who just needs us to nurse it back to health. The baby bird ends up dying.

You guys are too sentimental and frugal. You'd stick with a bad stock thinking it will trend upward and you'll get your money back on it. So be it.

Rey
07-08-2011, 02:25 PM
I would have rather kept Jerimiah Johnson than to have kept Slaton last year.

That said, he can procuce if put in the right situations. Screens, catching passes in space.

But he has no value as a return man and he runs into the backs of his linemen far too often.

He's not a must keep, but he's not a must go. I really don't have a strong opinion either way and whatever decision is made on him I'm not going to sweat it.

thunderkyss
07-08-2011, 02:47 PM
I'm done with the project. Too many people want to act like this is a baby bird who just needs us to nurse it back to health. The baby bird ends up dying.

You guys are too sentimental and frugal. You'd stick with a bad stock thinking it will trend upward and you'll get your money back on it. So be it.

Let him go.

Trade him.

I'm agreeing with you on those points.

I just don't see him as totally useless & I'm not giddy about trading him for a 5th round pick. I think he still has more value than that.

Had Tate played in a real game or two, I might think differently. Had Foster put together two great seasons, I might think differently.

Had Ward not been cut from a poor running team just last season, I might think differently.

One thing I know. Is that the Texans will suffer some way or another in 2011 (if there is a season). Last year it was the defense (ranked 13 the year before). 2009 it was the running game.

If we trade him, all I'm saying is get something for him, make it worth it. If you're going to trade him for nothing.. a fifth, wait until the deadline.

Dutchrudder
07-08-2011, 02:56 PM
Let him go.

Trade him.

I'm agreeing with you on those points.

I just don't see him as totally useless & I'm not giddy about trading him for a 5th round pick. I think he still has more value than that.

Had Tate played in a real game or two, I might think differently. Had Foster put together two great seasons, I might think differently.

Had Ward not been cut from a poor running team just last season, I might think differently.

One thing I know. Is that the Texans will suffer some way or another in 2011 (if there is a season). Last year it was the defense (ranked 13 the year before). 2009 it was the running game.

If we trade him, all I'm saying is get something for him, make it worth it. If you're going to trade him for nothing.. a fifth, wait until the deadline.

I'm pretty sure Ward was cut due to not living up to his salary (on a 2 win team too). I think he was due 5-6 million, but he wasn't producing enough to be worth it, so they cut him to save money. It's not like he was trash, but he wasn't worth near what he was being paid.

drs23
07-08-2011, 07:42 PM
That guy Slayton has been a goner for a while. We are talking about Slaton.

Damn, I can't BELIEVE I did that.

Thanks ET. :worm:

Big Lou
07-08-2011, 08:38 PM
Maybe we could move him to TE.......

Texan_Bill
07-08-2011, 08:44 PM
Arian Foster > Derrick Ward > Vonta Leach (who had no rushing attempts last season) > Matt Turk > Steve "the huge Disappointment" Slaton

Big Lou
07-08-2011, 10:55 PM
Arian Foster > Derrick Ward > Vonta Leach (who had no rushing attempts last season) > Matt Turk > Steve "the huge Disappointment" Slaton



Matt Turk is 4th on your list, 4th!!!!!

The guy has the highest yards per carry of all time for the Texans, and you have the guy 4th on your list. For shame, for shame.........

GP
07-09-2011, 03:25 PM
Let him go.

Trade him.

I'm agreeing with you on those points.

I just don't see him as totally useless & I'm not giddy about trading him for a 5th round pick. I think he still has more value than that.

Had Tate played in a real game or two, I might think differently. Had Foster put together two great seasons, I might think differently.

Had Ward not been cut from a poor running team just last season, I might think differently.

One thing I know. Is that the Texans will suffer some way or another in 2011 (if there is a season). Last year it was the defense (ranked 13 the year before). 2009 it was the running game.

If we trade him, all I'm saying is get something for him, make it worth it. If you're going to trade him for nothing.. a fifth, wait until the deadline.

Foster came onto the scene at the end of the 2009 season, TK. He didn't just pop up in 2010 out of nowhere. He showed his stuff in the last two games, and then he had a great preseason, and then he had an even better regular season. He didn't play a full 2009 season, but that's because Kubiak was still trying to have faith in Slaton...then Slaton went down with the neck injury, and Arian emerged at the end of 2009.

Ward came from a horrible Bucs team. They were bad all the way around. Granted, they turned it around--fast--but when Ward was there it was Bad News Bear for him AND the rest of the team.

He doesn't need to try and be the best RB on the roster. He just needs to do what he's always done: Be a tandem guy who is paired up with another RB, which makes defenses wilt under the pressure of never having a play off against the Texans. With Foster and Ward, you've got a serious run game on every single down that's played all game long. That is what made the Giants tough back when he and Brandon Jacobs were running tandem back in the day. Ward's found that spot again, and I honestly think he can be happier AND make good money just doing what he's doing right now.

Ben Tate, to me, during the preseason of 2010 was doing what Steve Slaton did in 2008. But Slaton doesn't have the extra gear that Tate has. You could see Tate pulling away from his pursuers, until he fractured his ankle. Owen Daniels got hurt by fluke incident, as did DeMeco Ryans. Schaub spent some time with a lingering injury. I'm not going to doubt Ben Tate just because he missed 2010. In fact, I'm glad he took the whole year off and has been brought back slowly.

I'll say this: I highly doubt that Steve Slaton will be traded. But if he IS traded, he's not going to be traded for anything higher than a 4th or 5th. Period. And at this stage, I'll take that if that's all we can get. Your delusional if you think we can get a 3rd for him. That's where he was drafted at, and NO team will say "Yeah, he's still at 2008's level of production." There's post-2008 tape on him, TK, and it isn't as flattering as you have made it out to be.

The less tape we produce of him, the better. He'd have to have a rip-roarin' preseason to climb any higher than 4th/5th. And then, the Texans might pull him back and not trade him. Which would be just about right--Refusing to scuttle a project player and missing out on trade value. See: Sage Rosenfels.