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CloakNNNdagger
06-02-2011, 08:18 PM
By Nick Scurfield (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-3/Herring-“A-lot-of-overreaction”-about-Williams/8da450a5-f8db-4a77-8270-45fed0b4b0cb)
Posted Jun 1, 2011


Reggie Herring wants you to calm down.

Take a deep breath. Relax. Cool your jets. Pump your brakes.

The Texans’ linebackers coach has seen the rampant speculation and debate that followed the news that Mario Williams will move to weak outside linebacker in Wade Phillips’ 3-4. And he would like to set the record straight once and for all.

“There’s been a lot of what I would say a lot of overreaction as to us moving him out there,” Herring said last week in his office at Reliant Stadium. “There’s a lot of anxiety built up for no reason. At the end of the day, over half the game, our outside ‘backers are down in our sub package rushing outside, which is what he did anyway and has done in college.”

In other words, Williams will be down in a three-point stance on the line of scrimmage in nickel situations. On the edge of a four-man line. Just like he was in the 4-3 that the Texans ran from 2006-10.

“And the other half of the (time), he will just be in a two-point (stance) outside rushing from an outside position, and very, very seldomly dropping,” Herring said. “We’re different in structure from most 3-4 teams, and I think everybody breaks out the 3-4 manual and kind of broad brushes just what we’re doing with him, and they don’t really understand our 3-4 defense.

“Our 3-4 defense is we determine who rushes on every snap, not the formation. Nobody can dictate by formation who rushes or drops by motioning the tight end over and creating a strong set to the weakside. We say who’s going to rush, and they rush. And at the end of the day, regardless of what formation it is, we’ll dictate how many times Mario rushes and drops. So people can forget about that.”

In base packages on first and second downs, when Williams is in a two-point stance, he’ll line up wider than he did in the 4-3.

“He’ll be rushing from a two-point (stance) from basically a two-yard, yard-and-a-half alignment outside the tackle on the weakside – more so than he was in a 4-3, where they could put a tight end to his side and he could end up being a six-technique rushing from inside or head-up on the tight end, which puts him in a lot harder predicament rushing the passer than it would in a two-point two yards outside the tackle,” Herring said. “So there’s a lot of pluses more so the other way than kind of the panic that people are taking, (like), ‘How could you move that big guy out there?’”

Herring said that it will be a process to work on Williams’ footwork from a stand-up position, but he and Phillips think Williams will get comfortable with it quickly. And Herring is not concerned with how the 6-6, 290-pound Williams will fare with dropping into coverage, because it simply won’t happen very often. And when it does, it won’t be a difficult task.

“People are saying, basically, ‘How can you tell us that he’s only going to (drop) three times a game, maybe?’” Herring said. “Well, because we dictate that. We do have the capability of dropping him. What he does is a very easy drop.
“You hear guys get on TV and explain how, ‘Well, when I was in the 3-4, we might be dropping on wideouts and all these multiple looks and it’s so hard.’ That’s not the case in our system. When we ask the Will linebacker to drop – the proof’s in the pudding at Dallas. Alls you’ve got to do is get the film, number one, and look at it and see how many times DeMarcus Ware dropped in Dallas, and they also can call him personally and ask him. Everybody on that team’s begging to play the Will ‘backer position because you should be a double-digit producer, sacker, if you’re good at your trade, which we think Mario is.”

Ware had 60.5 sacks under Phillips and Herring from 2007-10, more than any player in the league in those four seasons. He led the league in sacks in two of the last three years. Williams has 43.5 sacks since 2007, which ranks sixth in the NFL.

Ware rarely dropped into coverage from the Will position with the Cowboys. That’s exactly how the Texans will use Williams.

“Having said that, the drops are very simple,” Herring said. “We never ask him to do anything but drop a curl drop weak to a number one receiver, which is a 10-12 yard drop, which if he played basketball when he was in little league, I think he can open his hips and drop a little 12-yard curl drop and do it three, four times a game, really, at max.”

Because Phillips’ 3-4 is different than most 3-4s, Williams’ role on each down will not be affected by what an offense does before the snap.

“If they were to motion a tight end to his side, well, guess what?” Herring said. “He widens outside more, outside the tight end, and rushes the passer.

“So, I’m real excited about it. I’ve watched him over the past couple years on film. I actually coached him in college at N.C. State (in 2004). I know what he’s capable of, and regardless of what people think and all the preconceived ideas, we’re expecting a huge year out of him.”

Herring said that the Texans expect both of their outside linebackers (Will and Sam) to contend for the league lead in sacks. Phillips has had players such as Shawne Merriman in San Diego lead the league from the strongside, which is where Connor Barwin and Brooks Reed will play in 2011.

“We’re very excited about Mario playing Will, and we think if you understand exactly what we’re doing with him, it really should help Mario,” Herring said. “It should revive his career. It should rejuvenate his excitement about being a Houston Texan. The challenge is on us and him because we expect, and he’s got to expect to be a double-digit sack guy, as well as the other position at Sam. We’ll see what happens, but we’re really excited about the opportunity.”

GP
06-02-2011, 08:22 PM
Good, solid article. Thanks a million CND.

steelbtexan
06-02-2011, 08:55 PM
Fans should be overeacting after a decade of terrible football.

Herring's new, but he's caught on to how to play Billionaire BoBBys con game.

Company man

bckey
06-02-2011, 10:26 PM
Fans should be overeacting after a decade of terrible football.

Herring's new, but he's caught on to how to play Billionaire BoBBys con game.

Company man

spot on!

badboy
06-02-2011, 10:28 PM
By Nick Scurfield (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-3/Herring-“A-lot-of-overreaction”-about-Williams/8da450a5-f8db-4a77-8270-45fed0b4b0cb)
Posted Jun 1, 2011Well pardon me for having concerns...
Ware had 17 more sacks in 2007,08,09 and 10 per this coach. That's 4 more sacks a season than Mario. Williams would go from 8.5 to 12.5 a good increase but a total that would not be that great for this system. I don't see McNair opening the wallet for the contract Mario would want. Another thing, I do not want to see Mario dropping in coverage EVER let alone 3 times a game. A Qb with a quick release and a WR who could hold onto the ball would eat Mario alive. And with our corners desperately requiring safety help, I see 3 plays a game going for bunches of yards.

Herring says "If a TE motions out, so what? Mario moves out wider and rushes QB." What? Uh the role of the TE would be to slow the OLB down not catch the ball." I am not saying I'm smarter than this guy but so far, I am unimpressed. :thinking:

steelbtexan
06-02-2011, 10:39 PM
This is about MW not wanting to play DE. But wanting to rush the passer. Wade gave in to MW. Now the Texan PR dept has gone into full spin mode.

badboy
06-02-2011, 10:45 PM
This is about MW not wanting to play DE. But wanting to rush the passer. Wade gave in to MW. Now the Texan PR dept has gone into full spin mode.100% correct. Still, spin can prove to be true and we should hope it does.

TimeKiller
06-02-2011, 10:53 PM
a 3/4 where you know MW is coming 95% of the game. then guess who the other 3 will be out of 3 DL and 3 LB. sounds like a 4/3 to me. sounds like i hope herring/wade really are just flat out better coaches than frankenbush and co.

i think i would've told mario to buck up because you're a DE. i can handle a nobody at DT if mario and watt are the ends. reed/barwin/cushing is a lot of speed at LB, a lot of heat for cookin manning's burgers. i think that line up would bring enough pressure that nobody would notice we didn't sign asomugha.

mmmm.......burgers.

badboy
06-02-2011, 11:03 PM
a 3/4 where you know MW is coming 95% of the game. then guess who the other 3 will be out of 3 DL and 3 LB. sounds like a 4/3 to me. sounds like i hope herring/wade really are just flat out better coaches than frankenbush and co.

i think i would've told mario to buck up because you're a DE. i can handle a nobody at DT if mario and watt are the ends. reed/barwin/cushing is a lot of speed at LB, a lot of heat for cookin manning's burgers. i think that line up would bring enough pressure that nobody would notice we didn't sign asomugha.

mmmm.......burgers.Nah, come one TK! It's going to work. Listen to me..click your heels together 3 times and say I believe, I believe.

XI CMURDER IX
06-03-2011, 12:24 AM
a 3/4 where you know MW is coming 95% of the game. then guess who the other 3 will be out of 3 DL and 3 LB. sounds like a 4/3 to me. sounds like i hope herring/wade really are just flat out better coaches than frankenbush and co.

i think i would've told mario to buck up because you're a DE. i can handle a nobody at DT if mario and watt are the ends. reed/barwin/cushing is a lot of speed at LB, a lot of heat for cookin manning's burgers. i think that line up would bring enough pressure that nobody would notice we didn't sign asomugha.

mmmm.......burgers.

Yumm, Peyton burgers! Call me crazy but are we forgetting that we still have Antonio Smith at the other defensive end? Where is he in this equation?

Mario+Smith+Watt+Reed+Cushing+Ryan-(Bush+Okoye)+Barwin=:locked:

Oh, nevermind. I forgot about the lockout. I will wait till we have some free agent signings to predict how much Manning will hate Phillips' guts! :texflag:

TimeKiller
06-03-2011, 07:55 AM
Yumm, Peyton burgers! Call me crazy but are we forgetting that we still have Antonio Smith at the other defensive end? Where is he in this equation?
The bench?

badboy
06-03-2011, 09:15 AM
The bench?Who beats him out? Definitely not Watt. If Watt starts over Smith it will be because the coach gave it to him.

rmartin65
06-03-2011, 09:30 AM
Who beats him out? Definitely not Watt. If Watt starts over Smith it will be because the coach gave it to him.

Really? I would take Watt over Smith in a heartbeat.

Thorn
06-03-2011, 09:33 AM
meh.....whatever.....

I'm just going to wait for the season to start, if it even does this year, and see what happens. As some have already said, it's all spin. And with all the practice time (for all NFL teams and players) flying out the window daily, predictions of what might happen this season are iffy at best.

badboy
06-03-2011, 09:38 AM
Really? I would take Watt over Smith in a heartbeat.Long term? Sure and maybe, maybe mid season, but definitely not as day one starter. I look for Smith to have very good year that will not necessarily be identified by sacks.

badboy
06-03-2011, 09:42 AM
meh.....whatever.....

I'm just going to wait for the season to start, if it even does this year, and see what happens. As some have already said, it's all spin. And with all the practice time (for all NFL teams and players) flying out the window daily, predictions of what might happen this season are iffy at best.Reducing the pre-season from four to two games for this season would allow more on field time for new guys. Yes, the first game or two of regular season will be ragged but it would be fairly good.

El Tejano
06-03-2011, 12:36 PM
the proof’s in the pudding at Dallas. Alls you’ve got to do is get the film, number one, and look at it and see how many times DeMarcus Ware dropped in Dallas, and they also can call him personally and ask him. Everybody on that team’s begging to play the Will ‘backer position because you should be a double-digit producer, sacker, if you’re good at your trade,

Good job of Herring using the media to tell Mario to contact Ware for more info and possibly get film from him.

He’ll be rushing from a two-point (stance) from basically a two-yard, yard-and-a-half alignment outside the tackle on the weakside – more so than he was in a 4-3, where they could put a tight end to his side and he could end up being a six-technique rushing from inside or head-up on the tight end, which puts him in a lot harder predicament rushing the passer than it would in a two-point two yards outside the tackle,” Herring said. “So there’s a lot of pluses more so the other way than kind of the panic that people are taking, (like), ‘How could you move that big guy out there?’”

Got that Mario?
“Our 3-4 defense is we determine who rushes on every snap, not the formation. Nobody can dictate by formation who rushes or drops by motioning the tight end over and creating a strong set to the weakside. We say who’s going to rush, and they rush. And at the end of the day, regardless of what formation it is, we’ll dictate how many times Mario rushes and drops. So people can forget about that.”

To me, this is the biggest thing about this article. The complaint over the years was that our defense was so vanilla. Now Herring is basically saying that if Dallas Clark or Reggie Wayne go in motion, we aint going to make a move that will let Manning know where our rush is coming from so that he can just quick throw the other way and get out of the rush. Anyone care to guess what Phillips' record vs Manning was while with San Diego and Dallas?

Now we wont be sateliting our pass rush. By letting Mario go all day, the offense has to account for the fact the rush is coming from that end so they will have to do something about that, but that leaves them open for any scheme on the other side. Isn't that where guys like Shawn Merriman and Brady James made a pretty decent living?

rmartin65
06-03-2011, 12:42 PM
Long term? Sure and maybe, maybe mid season, but definitely not as day one starter. I look for Smith to have very good year that will not necessarily be identified by sacks.

I think he a starter Day 1. I know I overvalue draft picks, but Watt is a beast, and will be for a long time. His sheer athleticism and work ethic makes him a must start from the get-go.

Anyway, we dont have the problem. Putting Mario at OLB/DE (I refuse to call him a pure OLB) means we start Watt and Smith, meaning 3 our 3 best DL are on the field a majority of the time.

beerlover
06-03-2011, 01:42 PM
I think he a starter Day 1. I know I overvalue draft picks, but Watt is a beast, and will be for a long time. His sheer athleticism and work ethic makes him a must start from the get-go.

Anyway, we dont have the problem. Putting Mario at OLB/DE (I refuse to call him a pure OLB) means we start Watt and Smith, meaning 3 our 3 best DL are on the field a majority of the time.

how about just saying Mario Williams plays the hybrid OLB role in Wade Phillips hybrid 3-4?

rmartin65
06-03-2011, 02:22 PM
how about just saying Mario Williams plays the hybrid OLB role in Wade Phillips hybrid 3-4?

That is a good name for the position. Hybrid OLB. HOLB for short perhaps?

steelbtexan
06-03-2011, 02:53 PM
I was hoping that MW would stay at DE and Reed and a FA would play the will.

A DE trio of MW/Watt/Smith would be very good and provide depth at that position. This is something the Texans have never had at the DE position.

Oh well it looks like MW's complaining worked. Some things never change.

ArlingtonTexan
06-03-2011, 04:06 PM
how about just saying Mario Williams plays the hybrid OLB role in Wade Phillips hybrid 3-4?

Williams simply plays the position called pass rusher. He will stand up sometimes, have his hand on the ground others and even every once in while sack the QB.

Thorn
06-03-2011, 04:13 PM
Reducing the pre-season from four to two games for this season would allow more on field time for new guys. Yes, the first game or two of regular season will be ragged but it would be fairly good.

The only prediction that would be easy to make, given a certain amount of missing practice time, is that players would not be in "football shape". To me, that means more injuries more than anything. Along with the ragged play.

badboy
06-03-2011, 09:17 PM
Good job of Herring using the media to tell Mario to contact Ware for more info and possibly get film from him.



Got that Mario?


To me, this is the biggest thing about this article. The complaint over the years was that our defense was so vanilla. Now Herring is basically saying that if Dallas Clark or Reggie Wayne go in motion, we aint going to make a move that will let Manning know where our rush is coming from so that he can just quick throw the other way and get out of the rush. Anyone care to guess what Phillips' record vs Manning was while with San Diego and Dallas?

Now we wont be sateliting our pass rush. By letting Mario go all day, the offense has to account for the fact the rush is coming from that end so they will have to do something about that, but that leaves them open for any scheme on the other side. Isn't that where guys like Shawn Merriman and Brady James made a pretty decent living?Yep and that is something I agree with Herring statement. Barwin and Reed should cause a heap of carnage. I mean would you not focus on Mario rather than the other side. I want to se Mario line up wide pulling a TE to block him and probably the RB and then shoot a safety or corner at QB. I think KJ's straight ahead speed would be great for that. Let Quin cover his WR and KJ blitz.

badboy
06-03-2011, 09:20 PM
I think he a starter Day 1. I know I overvalue draft picks, but Watt is a beast, and will be for a long time. His sheer athleticism and work ethic makes him a must start from the get-go.

Anyway, we dont have the problem. Putting Mario at OLB/DE (I refuse to call him a pure OLB) means we start Watt and Smith, meaning 3 our 3 best DL are on the field a majority of the time.Now you talking and if Reed is good as we hope....

badboy
06-03-2011, 09:22 PM
That is a good name for the position. Hybrid OLB. HOLB for short perhaps?I'd rather call them sackers.

badboy
06-03-2011, 09:25 PM
I was hoping that MW would stay at DE and Reed and a FA would play the will.

A DE trio of MW/Watt/Smith would be very good and provide depth at that position. This is something the Texans have never had at the DE position.

Oh well it looks like MW's complaining worked. Some things never change.I don't think Mario's "complaining" had much to do about anything.

DocBar
06-04-2011, 12:00 AM
If this truly is spin, then I hope Mario can get enough sacks to keep his trade value but not enough to convince Smithiak to resign him.

steelbtexan
06-04-2011, 10:58 AM
I don't think Mario's "complaining" had much to do about anything.

Really,

Lets see, Wade says Mario will make a great 5 tech. He compares him to Bruce Smith. Bruce Smith does an interview explaining the responsibilities that MW will have as a 5 tech in Wades defense.

MW complains and amazingly MW suddenly becomes the WOLB. Same old Texans.

CloakNNNdagger
06-04-2011, 11:10 AM
Really,

Lets see, Wade says Mario will make a great 5 tech. He compares him to Bruce Smith. Bruce Smith does an interview explaining the responsibilities that MW will have as a 5 tech in Wades defense.

MW complains and amazingly MW suddenly becomes the WOLB. Same old Texans.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/23/gr_foodstuff_wideweb__470x446,2.jpg

steelbtexan
06-04-2011, 11:22 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/23/gr_foodstuff_wideweb__470x446,2.jpg

LOL

Where do you come up with this stuff?

wolf123
06-04-2011, 11:34 AM
Really,

Lets see, Wade says Mario will make a great 5 tech. He compares him to Bruce Smith. Bruce Smith does an interview explaining the responsibilities that MW will have as a 5 tech in Wades defense.

MW complains and amazingly MW suddenly becomes the WOLB. Same old Texans.

I must of missed where he complained. I think the staff looked at him and truly believed he'd be a great fit at the 5 technique. Once the draft turned out how it did and they then decided to move him to OLB.

Mario could play just about any position well. This enables us to get our best 7 on the field. I bet he plays OLB,DE and DT in nickle situations.

DocBar
06-04-2011, 03:26 PM
Really,

Lets see, Wade says Mario will make a great 5 tech. He compares him to Bruce Smith. Bruce Smith does an interview explaining the responsibilities that MW will have as a 5 tech in Wades defense.

MW complains and amazingly MW suddenly becomes the WOLB. Same old Texans.Not to mention the fact that Phillips repeatedly said MW would NOT be asked to rush from a 2 pt. stance.

steelbtexan
06-11-2011, 10:09 AM
Who beats him out? Definitely not Watt. If Watt starts over Smith it will be because the coach gave it to him.

I'll be shocked if Watt isn't a day one starter.

He would be a waste of a high draft pick if he cant beat out Smith. (It looks like that isn't going to be a problem now with MW moving to OLB.

Smith is an average journeyman. He definitely isn't a team leader type guy. Watt on the otherhand has all of the physical gifts/work ethic to be a pro-bowler some day

gary
06-11-2011, 02:04 PM
I'll be shocked if Watt isn't a day one starter.

He would be a waste of a high draft pick if he cant beat out Smith. (It looks like that isn't going to be a problem now with MW moving to OLB.

Smith is an average journeyman. He definitely isn't a team leader type guy. Watt on the otherhand has all of the physical gifts/work ethic to be a pro-bowler some dayIs that with Kubiak as the coach?

GP
06-11-2011, 02:10 PM
If this truly is spin, then I hope Mario can get enough sacks to keep his trade value but not enough to convince Smithiak to resign him.

I hate to inform you of this, but here goes:

There are certain "faces of the organization" that Bob simply does NOT want to ever part ways with unless he absolutely has to.

See: David Carr one-year trial under Kubiak

See: Dunta Robinson one-year trial after having been franchised

See: Keeping Kris Brown around for a lame-ass "kicker competition."

More than just a coincidence that we keep under-performing people around longer than we should, IMO. There's the aspect of what I believe is an owner who doesn't always evaluate his employees based on actual output where it matters most. If you represent the team well, you're staying.

No way in hell does Bob EVER entertain the idea of losing Mario. Nor will he lose AJ.

NBT
06-11-2011, 04:21 PM
The bench?

Maybe Smith will just be in our rearview mirror

DocBar
06-11-2011, 06:06 PM
I hate to inform you of this, but here goes:

There are certain "faces of the organization" that Bob simply does NOT want to ever part ways with unless he absolutely has to.

See: David Carr one-year trial under Kubiak

See: Dunta Robinson one-year trial after having been franchised

See: Keeping Kris Brown around for a lame-ass "kicker competition."

More than just a coincidence that we keep under-performing people around longer than we should, IMO. There's the aspect of what I believe is an owner who doesn't always evaluate his employees based on actual output where it matters most. If you represent the team well, you're staying.

No way in hell does Bob EVER entertain the idea of losing Mario. Nor will he lose AJ.Maybe I keep hoping that some of their bad judgement will eventually translate in to experience, which will then translate into good judgement. :choke:

HJam72
06-11-2011, 08:31 PM
I do agree that all of this is over-hyped.

But, I say it's over-hyped because what this D needs very badly is a guy like Aso, Cromartie, or a serious, ball-hawking FS--preferably 2 of the 3. The secondary sucks big time and the WHOLE TEAM will not improve enough to really tell any difference until something is done about it.

Having said that I'm OK with Mario as HOLB (LOL). I'm OK with the 3-4 move. I just don't think our front 7 is the problem or that it's going to make a drastic difference.

We either need a FS that won't blow deep coverages (Jets game and many others) or at least one CB that locks people up and throws away the key. We can't ever put anybody away because our secondary is a joke. Not all of them suck, but on the whole they are TERRIBLE.

If I'm McNair, I GET ASO OR CROMARTIE THIS OFFSEASON, and I go after BOTH OF THEM. YOU WANT TO WIN, YOU GOTTA LEARN TO GO FOR IT.