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badboy
06-02-2011, 05:20 PM
ESPN June 2nd reports Coach Spurrier asked several coaches to sign an agreement they will pay players $300 per game. Money to come from coaches salary. Allegedly several signed knowing Spurrier to show to media.

Sorry no link.

Yankee_In_TX
06-02-2011, 05:39 PM
Supposedly he said families shold get reimbursed for traveling to game and not that players should get paid, again, no link.

However one feels about paying players, paying players is NOT a solution to the current NCAA issues.

Why? Because it is greed. And you think giving the kid an extra $1,000/mos. (or whatever) is going to keep him from accepting $100 handshakes, cars, tatoos, etc., if he would have taken them in the first place?

Like I said in my Ray Small rant - boo hoo, you can't work a job and play football and it makes it hard to make your $600 car payment. Cry me a river.

rmartin65
06-02-2011, 06:00 PM
Idiocy. These kids are getting paid. College is costing me a **** ton of money. These kids get that for free. An education. A place to live. Food. Not getting paid my ass. They are just not taking advantage of what they are offered.

badboy
06-02-2011, 10:43 PM
Idiocy. These kids are getting paid. College is costing me a **** ton of money. These kids get that for free. An education. A place to live. Food. Not getting paid my ass. They are just not taking advantage of what they are offered.True, but you are not having your testicles knocked off weekly, either. Players know the deal going in but many of these universities are money making machines just like NFL.

I have to disagree with your definition of "free". Also, when you leave class you go to job that pays your tuition. Players go to practice to earn their tuition and then work a job to pay for the $600 car payment.

Texecutioner
06-03-2011, 09:27 AM
Paying college athletes only causes them to waste more money and to feel like they are already entitled stars that are headed to the NFL before they ever get there. It's a horrible idea. Like we don't already see a ton of irresponsible NFL players wasting money away as soon as they get it. College players would be going ape ****.

rmartin65
06-03-2011, 09:35 AM
True, but you are not having your testicles knocked off weekly, either. Players know the deal going in but many of these universities are money making machines just like NFL.

I have to disagree with your definition of "free". Also, when you leave class you go to job that pays your tuition. Players go to practice to earn their tuition and then work a job to pay for the $600 car payment.

I would take the punishment to get a free education. No doubt in my mind, for all the perks they get, I would take whatever abuse they threw at me.

I dont understand your second paragraph. What players get is the definition of free- they are not entitled to pay it back. They get an education, and 3-5 years of living with no cost to themselves. I fail to see the downside for the players.

The job I (hopefully) get once I graduate does not pay for my tuition. I use that money to pay my bills, but I also have to use my salary to live off of. These players can use their full paycheck on living, without any college debt.

The fact of the matter is, these players have it made, but most of them are too stupid, too arrogant, too something, to realize this and make something for themselves.

badboy
06-03-2011, 10:22 AM
I would take the punishment to get a free education. No doubt in my mind, for all the perks they get, I would take whatever abuse they threw at me.

I dont understand your second paragraph. What players get is the definition of free- they are not entitled to pay it back. They get an education, and 3-5 years of living with no cost to themselves. I fail to see the downside for the players.

The job I (hopefully) get once I graduate does not pay for my tuition. I use that money to pay my bills, but I also have to use my salary to live off of. These players can use their full paycheck on living, without any college debt.

The fact of the matter is, these players have it made, but most of them are too stupid, too arrogant, too something, to realize this and make something for themselves.A free education means you get to go to college with no expectation of doing anything but learn. Players are expected to practice, show up for "pep rallies", off season work outs, weight room time, and of course games. There is a lot of physical "work" involved. Sure it is a great trade off but it is not free.

You chose to encumber yourself with tuition to hopefully get a better income than you would have going directly to work force and by- passing college. It was a choice just like athletes make. If you choose the wrong "career" to get a degree in that is the risk. Met a neighbor last evening by pool. His wife lost job ($150,000) one year ago & is returning to school to go in different direction. If your career does not allow you to live comfortably and still pay off tuition, I question your choice. I realize this sounds like I am dissing you but hope you know by now how much I respect you.

rmartin65
06-03-2011, 10:37 AM
A free education means you get to go to college with no expectation of doing anything but learn. Players are expected to practice, show up for "pep rallies", off season work outs, weight room time, and of course games. There is a lot of physical "work" involved. Sure it is a great trade off but it is not free.

You chose to encumber yourself with tuition to hopefully get a better income than you would have going directly to work force and by- passing college. It was a choice just like athletes make. If you choose the wrong "career" to get a degree in that is the risk. Met a neighbor last evening by pool. His wife lost job ($150,000) one year ago & is returning to school to go in different direction. If your career does not allow you to live comfortably and still pay off tuition, I question your choice. I realize this sounds like I am dissing you but hope you know by now how much I respect you.

That is something I have not thought about before. However, I maintain that the players are in essence "paid" for their troubles. They get to go to school, and have living areas provided for them. A lot of students work during school to pay for school, I guess you could look at it that way.

Oh, I know badboy. We are cool man, dont worry about that at all. I know I burdened myself with tuition. It was a decision I made, just like it was these players decision to go to college to play football. I do not see why they should get paid by the school, and why I should not.

Dan B.
06-03-2011, 01:32 PM
Like FIFA the NCAA deserves the death penalty. It's absurd that they are in charge of compliance. They have to laugh to themselves every time they call themselves a non profit. They are 100% bought and paid for.

Yankee_In_TX
06-03-2011, 02:11 PM
A free education means you get to go to college with no expectation of doing anything but learn. Players are expected to practice, show up for "pep rallies", off season work outs, weight room time, and of course games. There is a lot of physical "work" involved. Sure it is a great trade off but it is not free.

What about hockey players? They take a beating and don't get paid.

What about swimmers? 2 practices a day, M-F, practice Saturday. Classes and studying. The off season in swimming is about 2 weeks twice a year. How are they supposed to work?

Sorry, I do NOT buy the argument they should get paid because they work hard, that is bs.

Now, if you want to say 'they should get paid because the schools, coaches, athetic departments, etc. are making a mountain off of football' - then that is a different argument. And you are then saying football players =/= other male or any female athletes, and, well, Title 9 and all...

*edit* And thinking about it more, if you are going to pay them and set them above all other university athletes, seems you should just drop the 'college' ruse and have affiliated club teams and not even make them go to class?

(btw, tha is all directed at your comments and what I've heard from the media and not you personally)

badboy
06-03-2011, 08:42 PM
That is something I have not thought about before. However, I maintain that the players are in essence "paid" for their troubles. They get to go to school, and have living areas provided for them. A lot of students work during school to pay for school, I guess you could look at it that way.

Oh, I know badboy. We are cool man, dont worry about that at all. I know I burdened myself with tuition. It was a decision I made, just like it was these players decision to go to college to play football. I do not see why they should get paid by the school, and why I should not.Perhaps if your efforts or skills helped bring millions of dollars to your school....?:kitten:

I do understand your complaints but if it helps, I think you are making a good decision. Don't forget to give me and Beerlover a heads up before you leave. I hope to get some emails from "over there".

FYI, I worked 40 hours a week grades 9 thru 11 and then through two years of college. Should have seen me sleeping in my car after my Introduction to Business class. A girl would wake me up to go to our Spanish class when she got to school at 9:30. I was always a few minutes late & the professor made fun of me. I always remembered to wipe the drool from my chin.

badboy
06-03-2011, 09:05 PM
What about hockey players? They take a beating and don't get paid.

What about swimmers? 2 practices a day, M-F, practice Saturday. Classes and studying. The off season in swimming is about 2 weeks twice a year. How are they supposed to work?

Sorry, I do NOT buy the argument they should get paid because they work hard, that is bs.

Now, if you want to say 'they should get paid because the schools, coaches, athetic departments, etc. are making a mountain off of football' - then that is a different argument. And you are then saying football players =/= other male or any female athletes, and, well, Title 9 and all...

*edit* And thinking about it more, if you are going to pay them and set them above all other university athletes, seems you should just drop the 'college' ruse and have affiliated club teams and not even make them go to class?

(btw, tha is all directed at your comments and what I've heard from the media and not you personally)I think you might be confused on my points. I was not saying football players should get paid because they work hard. 65 posted they got their education for free & I disagreed saying if you work for something it is not free. Of course other students prepare for their games or events & it is difficult to hold outside jobs but I don't think that is the point of my post. And yes the millions made by the universities off the athletes is huge. The hook as all of us realize is "you just might get to NFL and get stupidly rich". Naive players? Not anymore so than other folks who gamble on the lottery, dogs, horses, dice, cards, women, office pool brackets etc.

You don't think football players and in some places basketball athletes aren't "greater" than other students? Don't make it about being better people, not what I'm saying but walk down a hall with Andrew Luck and tell me he gets treated the same by falculty, alumni or the student body. It is what it is.

You know many of those hockey, tennis, ping pong, track players or swimmers could have chosen football. And that leaves the women...where did that WNBA thinggy go anyways?

Yankee_In_TX
06-03-2011, 09:55 PM
You don't think football players and in some places basketball athletes aren't "greater" than other students? Don't make it about being better people, not what I'm saying but walk down a hall with Andrew Luck and tell me he gets treated the same by falculty, alumni or the student body. It is what it is.

I agree. When I said 'you' I didn't actually mean you, lol. :kitten:

Just tired of hearing the media rationalize why the players should be paid.

HJam72
06-03-2011, 10:05 PM
Those guys also get free (ahem) and I have to pay for....never mind. :thinking:

hot pickle
06-03-2011, 10:08 PM
south park had a funny episode about student athletes a couple of weeks ago, about the universities being slave owners lol

with the amount of money that some of these school make i do think the players should be compensated

badboy
06-03-2011, 10:15 PM
Those guys also get free (ahem) and I have to pay for....never mind. :thinking:Yeah but so do the ping pong players. :tiphat:

OrangeLotPole8
06-04-2011, 12:56 PM
Bottom line, players have a CHOICE of being "slaves" to the university. If they do not want to play football then don't. They are given a EDUCATION in a TRADE for playing football. How many kids WISH they could play football at a major university? I am sure many would do it for FREE as long as they could suit up for 4 more years of competition.


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Tuition includes instructional and general fees. Read the Explanation of Fees.

Instructional fee: Used to fund instructional costs at the university.

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Orientation fee: This one-time fee goes to support orientation and other initiatives for first year students and is separate from any additional fees (housing, parking, etc.) paid directly at the orientation program.

Recreational fee: All students enrolled in four or more credit hours at the Columbus campus are assessed this fee, which provides support for all campus recreational sports facilities, programs, and services. Students who are assessed the fee are automatic members of the recreational sports facilities and eligible for all member benefits.

Room and board: Assessed by University Residences and Dining Services and varies based on your hall assignment and meal swipe plan.

Student health insurance: Students who do not waive coverage under the comprehensive Student Health Insurance Plan will see this fee on their Statement of Account.

COTA: The Central Ohio Transit Authority (COTA) provides students on the Columbus campus with unlimited use of COTA services in exchange for this fee.

Students enrolling at any college or university should allow for other expenses such as health insurance, books and supplies, phone, transportation, recreation, and other personal needs.These expenses are considered when financial aid awards are made. See Student Financial Aidís Award Guide to learn more.

Here are some PERKS that NON SCHORLARSHIP do not get at Ohio State University:

Estimated costs for the 2010Ė2011 academic year
(three quarters of full-time enrollment)

Use the charts below to find the estimated tuition and fees appropriate for you.

Applying as a freshman or transfer student? Select a campus:

Columbus campus

Billed expenses


Ohio resident,
Columbus campus


Nonresident,
Columbus campus

Tuition and fees


$9,420


$23,604

Room and board


$10,164


$10,164

Total


$19,584


$33,768

So the football player gets anywhere between $19,584 and $33,768 PER YEAR for 4 or 5 years...... and STILL wants to get paid? The football players do not have to be exploited, just go to college like everybody else and worry about books, tuition, fees, housing, spending money, etc..... My daughter is a senior at SHSU, I am a school teacher, her college bill kicks my butt every year. I SACRIFICE every semester for her to be there and pay for it. A football player can SACRIFICE to get paid tuition, fees, books, room, and board paid for. Sorry..... JMO.

Texan JBZ
06-04-2011, 02:15 PM
Bottom line, players have a CHOICE of being "slaves" to the university. If they do not want to play football then don't. They are given a EDUCATION in a TRADE for playing football. How many kids WISH they could play football at a major university? I am sure many would do it for FREE as long as they could suit up for 4 more years of competition.


Tuition and fees

Important notes about tuition and fees

Tuition and fees may vary by major, college, and area of study. The university reserves the right to assess fees for special services and programs applicable to students. Students should plan for a 5 to 10% annual increase for all costs. Part-time fees are on a sliding scale.
Tuition includes instructional and general fees. Read the Explanation of Fees.

Instructional fee: Used to fund instructional costs at the university.

Nonresident fee: Additional fee charged to out-of-state students. Ohio residents who are male and at least 18 years old will see this fee if they have not yet reported their selective service number to the university.

General fee: Mandated by the State of Ohio for the funding of non-instructional student services. The general fee makes available those student services whose primary purpose is to contribute to the studentsí emotional and physical well being, as well as their cultural and social development outside the context of the formal instructional program.

Student activity fee: All students at the Columbus campus are assessed a fee to support programs that benefit all students. The fee supports free on-campus entertainment, student organizations and clubs, and discounted tickets to sports, arts, and cultural events in the Columbus community and throughout Ohio.

Student Union facility fee: All students at the Columbus campus will pay this fee to help fund the Ohio Union facility, student organization and meeting space, and cutting-edge venues that support student programming.

Technology fee: Some majors are charged a Learning Technology Fee to pay certain technology-related expenses within the major program. To see if your major has a fee, visit the University Registrarís Fee Tables.

Program fee: Some programs charge a Program Fee to pay for certain program-related expenses. Visit University Registrarís Fee Tables to see if your major program has a fee.

Orientation fee: This one-time fee goes to support orientation and other initiatives for first year students and is separate from any additional fees (housing, parking, etc.) paid directly at the orientation program.

Recreational fee: All students enrolled in four or more credit hours at the Columbus campus are assessed this fee, which provides support for all campus recreational sports facilities, programs, and services. Students who are assessed the fee are automatic members of the recreational sports facilities and eligible for all member benefits.

Room and board: Assessed by University Residences and Dining Services and varies based on your hall assignment and meal swipe plan.

Student health insurance: Students who do not waive coverage under the comprehensive Student Health Insurance Plan will see this fee on their Statement of Account.

COTA: The Central Ohio Transit Authority (COTA) provides students on the Columbus campus with unlimited use of COTA services in exchange for this fee.

Students enrolling at any college or university should allow for other expenses such as health insurance, books and supplies, phone, transportation, recreation, and other personal needs.These expenses are considered when financial aid awards are made. See Student Financial Aidís Award Guide to learn more.

Here are some PERKS that NON SCHORLARSHIP do not get at Ohio State University:

Estimated costs for the 2010Ė2011 academic year
(three quarters of full-time enrollment)

Use the charts below to find the estimated tuition and fees appropriate for you.

Applying as a freshman or transfer student? Select a campus:

Columbus campus

Billed expenses


Ohio resident,
Columbus campus


Nonresident,
Columbus campus

Tuition and fees


$9,420


$23,604

Room and board


$10,164


$10,164

Total


$19,584


$33,768

So the football player gets anywhere between $19,584 and $33,768 PER YEAR for 4 or 5 years...... and STILL wants to get paid? The football players do not have to be exploited, just go to college like everybody else and worry about books, tuition, fees, housing, spending money, etc..... My daughter is a senior at SHSU, I am a school teacher, her college bill kicks my butt every year. I SACRIFICE every semester for her to be there and pay for it. A football player can SACRIFICE to get paid tuition, fees, books, room, and board paid for. Sorry..... JMO.

First off, the whole my kid or I have to pay for this or that and that players get this and that paid for argument is both outdated and played out. Here are some other fees that you didn't mention. $80 for a Texas Longhorns single game ticket. $60-75 for a jersey of the start player, of which they get $0. Gameday parking and concession revenues. Billions of dollars in TV revenues. Etc..

Yankee_In_TX
06-04-2011, 02:32 PM
First off, the whole my kid or I have to pay for this or that and that players get this and that paid for argument is both outdated and played out. Here are some other fees that you didn't mention. $80 for a Texas Longhorns single game ticket. $60-75 for a jersey of the start player, of which they get $0. Gameday parking and concession revenues. Billions of dollars in TV revenues. Etc..

Which goes back into athletics and the university and benefits ALL students and athletes.

And football players have some perks that other students don't, such as 'training tables' (these were free meals at OSU that were >>> normal cafeteria food).

Like it or hate it these kids ARE a part of universities. They DO get benefits for their abilities. Until you sever out football programs from the universities and make them club teams, I don't get the whole 'so much money is made by the program = players should get paid' argument.

Maybe it is just me?

Texan JBZ
06-04-2011, 03:31 PM
Which goes back into athletics and the university and benefits ALL students and athletes.

And football players have some perks that other students don't, such as 'training tables' (these were free meals at OSU that were >>> normal cafeteria food).

Like it or hate it these kids ARE a part of universities. They DO get benefits for their abilities. Until you sever out football programs from the universities and make them club teams, I don't get the whole 'so much money is made by the program = players should get paid' argument.

Maybe it is just me?

I didn't get to finish my entire thought on this subject earlier. Most of the responses on here seem to be coming from the outside looking in. I was a collegiate athlete so here's my opinion. First, training tables don't exist anymore. Neither do athletic dorms. College athletes eat at the same cafeteria and stay in the same dorms as every other college student. Secondly, there is absolutely nothing free about your scholarship. I repeat - THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FREE ABOUT YOUR SCHOLARSHIP! You work your ass off as a college athlete, especially in football. My frosh year consisted of the following schedule:

5:20 am - Wake up
6:00 am - Morning workout session (Monday-Thursday)
7:15-7:30 am - Arrive back at dorm and get dressed for class
8:00 am-1:00 pm -Attend classes and grab lunch somewhere in-between
2:00-3:00 pm - Meetings
3:15-5:00 pm - Practice
5:30-6:45 pm - Dinner
7:00-9:00 pm - Study Hall

And then you get to wake up and do it again! Also, let's be real about this. These are 18-22 year old young adults. There's lots of pretty girls around. Sometimes you may meet a pretty young lady and want to take her on a nice date. Problem is you're flat broke. Hell, you may want to have some fun and blow off some steam by drinking wayyyy too much one night. It's college! Problem is you're flat ass broke. That's where all the problems come in at. These guys just simply get tired of walking around flat broke. It's college. Athletes want to enjoy the entire experience just like everyone else. Truth be told, after I blew my ACL out and stopped playing football, I enjoyed the college experience even more. I was actually enjoyable. I worked, made money, went to class, wasn't too dog ass tired to do my homework, and actually had time to soak the whole experience up.

I also feel that not all athletes in all sports should be paid. Women's tennis shouldn't be paid. Men's lacrosse shouldn't. Swimmers and soccer players shouldn't either. I know about the whold Title IX deal, so save that argument. My opinion isn't based off of fairness. If the sport generates absurd amounts of revenues, then the players should get a piece of that too.

Yankee_In_TX
06-04-2011, 03:52 PM
I also feel that not all athletes in all sports should be paid. Women's tennis shouldn't be paid. Men's lacrosse shouldn't. Swimmers and soccer players shouldn't either. I know about the whold Title IX deal, so save that argument. My opinion isn't based off of fairness. If the sport generates absurd amounts of revenues, then the players should get a piece of that too.

I would say bravo on having a consistent argument (that is not sarcastic).

At least in 2001 OSU still had training tables.

I was a swimmer for Ohio State until my back got too fubared to keep doing it. And I was a walk-on, so really not worth it in the end (and I sucked, lol, should have gone div 2!).

Because of your argument being consistent, I will simply have to say we'll agree to disagree. :texflag:

OrangeLotPole8
06-04-2011, 07:59 PM
QUOTE=Texan JBZ;1707987]I didn't get to finish my entire thought on this subject earlier. Most of the responses on here seem to be coming from the outside looking in. I was a collegiate athlete so here's my opinion. First, training tables don't exist anymore. Neither do athletic dorms. College athletes eat at the same cafeteria and stay in the same dorms as every other college student. Secondly, there is absolutely nothing free about your scholarship. I repeat - THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FREE ABOUT YOUR SCHOLARSHIP! You work your ass off as a college athlete, especially in football. My frosh year consisted of the following schedule:

5:20 am - Wake up
6:00 am - Morning workout session (Monday-Thursday)
7:15-7:30 am - Arrive back at dorm and get dressed for class
8:00 am-1:00 pm -Attend classes and grab lunch somewhere in-between
2:00-3:00 pm - Meetings
3:15-5:00 pm - Practice
5:30-6:45 pm - Dinner
7:00-9:00 pm - Study Hall

And then you get to wake up and do it again! Also, let's be real about this. These are 18-22 year old young adults. There's lots of pretty girls around. Sometimes you may meet a pretty young lady and want to take her on a nice date. Problem is you're flat broke. Hell, you may want to have some fun and blow off some steam by drinking wayyyy too much one night. It's college! Problem is you're flat ass broke. That's where all the problems come in at. These guys just simply get tired of walking around flat broke. It's college. Athletes want to enjoy the entire experience just like everyone else. Truth be told, after I blew my ACL out and stopped playing football, I enjoyed the college experience even more. I was actually enjoyable. I worked, made money, went to class, wasn't too dog ass tired to do my homework, and actually had time to soak the whole experience up.

I also feel that not all athletes in all sports should be paid. Women's tennis shouldn't be paid. Men's lacrosse shouldn't. Swimmers and soccer players shouldn't either. I know about the whold Title IX deal, so save that argument. My opinion isn't based off of fairness. If the sport generates absurd amounts of revenues, then the players should get a piece of that too.[/QUOTE]

ok:

Everybody wakes up. You forgot a hot breakfast in the cafeteria that they do not pay for. Regular students eat a pop tart or breakfast bar.

A morning workout of 1:15...... some people wish they were pushed to do that (some non scholarship players do that to stay fit and look good on their own).

Everybody gets dressed to go to class.

8am-1pm Everybody takes classes and eats lunch in between (non scholarship students might have to eat a PBJ out of their backpack since they are not on the meal plan while the scholarship players get a full hot meal in the cafeteria).

2pm - 3pm meetings? An hour of their time in AC relaxing.

Practice an hour and a 45 minutes (be ready for Saturday!)

Dinner???? everybody eats it.

Study hall??? Is that something that other students don't do? STUDY????

Sounds like a 4 hour work day 4 days a week (you said Mon-Thurs) for a room/board/tuition/books/and maybe be on TV Saturdays?

I am not trying to be mean or ugly, but the average student has to come up with $25K a year to go to school for 4-5 years. Football players do what they LOVE and do it for 4-5 years and go to school without paying for it. Their parents can surely come up with $100-$200 a month for spending money since they do not pay tuition, books, fees, room, or board. Like I said, if they players say they are being exploited...... DO NOT SIGN A LETTER OF INTENT...... and pay your own way!

Dan B.
06-05-2011, 03:13 PM
Which goes back into athletics and the university and benefits ALL students and athletes.

And football players have some perks that other students don't, such as 'training tables' (these were free meals at OSU that were >>> normal cafeteria food).

Like it or hate it these kids ARE a part of universities. They DO get benefits for their abilities. Until you sever out football programs from the universities and make them club teams, I don't get the whole 'so much money is made by the program = players should get paid' argument.

That's exactly what I think needs to happen. Treat it like baseball, where the teams sign players and give them a scholarship to any school as part of their contract. Ricky Williams, for instance, never had a scholarship from UT. His tuition was paid by the Phillies and he played for their minor league team in the summer.

Texan JBZ
06-05-2011, 11:18 PM
QUOTE=Texan JBZ;1707987]I didn't get to finish my entire thought on this subject earlier. Most of the responses on here seem to be coming from the outside looking in. I was a collegiate athlete so here's my opinion. First, training tables don't exist anymore. Neither do athletic dorms. College athletes eat at the same cafeteria and stay in the same dorms as every other college student. Secondly, there is absolutely nothing free about your scholarship. I repeat - THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FREE ABOUT YOUR SCHOLARSHIP! You work your ass off as a college athlete, especially in football. My frosh year consisted of the following schedule:

5:20 am - Wake up
6:00 am - Morning workout session (Monday-Thursday)
7:15-7:30 am - Arrive back at dorm and get dressed for class
8:00 am-1:00 pm -Attend classes and grab lunch somewhere in-between
2:00-3:00 pm - Meetings
3:15-5:00 pm - Practice
5:30-6:45 pm - Dinner
7:00-9:00 pm - Study Hall

And then you get to wake up and do it again! Also, let's be real about this. These are 18-22 year old young adults. There's lots of pretty girls around. Sometimes you may meet a pretty young lady and want to take her on a nice date. Problem is you're flat broke. Hell, you may want to have some fun and blow off some steam by drinking wayyyy too much one night. It's college! Problem is you're flat ass broke. That's where all the problems come in at. These guys just simply get tired of walking around flat broke. It's college. Athletes want to enjoy the entire experience just like everyone else. Truth be told, after I blew my ACL out and stopped playing football, I enjoyed the college experience even more. I was actually enjoyable. I worked, made money, went to class, wasn't too dog ass tired to do my homework, and actually had time to soak the whole experience up.

I also feel that not all athletes in all sports should be paid. Women's tennis shouldn't be paid. Men's lacrosse shouldn't. Swimmers and soccer players shouldn't either. I know about the whold Title IX deal, so save that argument. My opinion isn't based off of fairness. If the sport generates absurd amounts of revenues, then the players should get a piece of that too.

ok:

Everybody wakes up. You forgot a hot breakfast in the cafeteria that they do not pay for. Regular students eat a pop tart or breakfast bar.

A morning workout of 1:15...... some people wish they were pushed to do that (some non scholarship players do that to stay fit and look good on their own).

Everybody gets dressed to go to class.

8am-1pm Everybody takes classes and eats lunch in between (non scholarship students might have to eat a PBJ out of their backpack since they are not on the meal plan while the scholarship players get a full hot meal in the cafeteria).

2pm - 3pm meetings? An hour of their time in AC relaxing.

Practice an hour and a 45 minutes (be ready for Saturday!)

Dinner???? everybody eats it.

Study hall??? Is that something that other students don't do? STUDY????

Sounds like a 4 hour work day 4 days a week (you said Mon-Thurs) for a room/board/tuition/books/and maybe be on TV Saturdays?

I am not trying to be mean or ugly, but the average student has to come up with $25K a year to go to school for 4-5 years. Football players do what they LOVE and do it for 4-5 years and go to school without paying for it. Their parents can surely come up with $100-$200 a month for spending money since they do not pay tuition, books, fees, room, or board. Like I said, if they players say they are being exploited...... DO NOT SIGN A LETTER OF INTENT...... and pay your own way![/quote]

That's what you don't seem to understand. College athletes aren't your average student. Get that whole train of thought out of your mind. It isn't reality bruh. 100,000 people aren't paying top dollar and packing a classroom to see a petrochemical engineer major take his mid-term! ESPN, CBS, and Fox aren't paying billions of dollars to broadcast a public relations major give their group presentation! Prospective students aren't lining up to go to Boise State and TCU because of their College of Language Arts!!! And you think some of our parents can come up with extra money to send to us??? F'king really????? That sure would have been nice if that was only reality. You know, most college athletes come from pretty tough economic backgrounds. For our MOTHERS to send us that much money every month would have been nice. I'm pretty sure mine would have done if only she could afford it.

The thing I sense more than anything in people's opinions of why college athletes shouldn't be paid is jealousy. It's the same bs argument that people will say about professional athletes. "Well, if I did that on my job I would be yadda yadda and blah blah blah..." You know why you can't do that on your job? You know why you have to pay for school? You know why college athletes should be paid? Because you can't do what they do. The highest paid state employees are often times collegiate coaches. Soak that up. So, it's ok to pay Mack Brown $3-4 million a year but guys like VY, Cedric Benson, Major Applewhite, and Casey Hampton who are directly resposible for getting him that money are only worth what they get and not a penny more, right? It's a crooked ass system and we all know it.

badboy
06-06-2011, 03:01 PM
Bottom line, players have a CHOICE of being "slaves" to the university. If they do not want to play football then don't. They are given a EDUCATION in a TRADE for playing football. How many kids WISH they could play football at a major university? I am sure many would do it for FREE as long as they could suit up for 4 more years of competition.


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(three quarters of full-time enrollment)

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$9,420


$23,604

Room and board


$10,164


$10,164

Total


$19,584


$33,768

So the football player gets anywhere between $19,584 and $33,768 PER YEAR for 4 or 5 years...... and STILL wants to get paid? The football players do not have to be exploited, just go to college like everybody else and worry about books, tuition, fees, housing, spending money, etc..... My daughter is a senior at SHSU, I am a school teacher, her college bill kicks my butt every year. I SACRIFICE every semester for her to be there and pay for it. A football player can SACRIFICE to get paid tuition, fees, books, room, and board paid for. Sorry..... JMO.As a teacher, I'd have thought you would have attacked the football coaches salary compared to yours but of course then you would have to say you chose not to be a coach.

badboy
06-06-2011, 03:14 PM
I didn't get to finish my entire thought on this subject earlier. Most of the responses on here seem to be coming from the outside looking in. I was a collegiate athlete so here's my opinion. First, training tables don't exist anymore. Neither do athletic dorms. College athletes eat at the same cafeteria and stay in the same dorms as every other college student. Secondly, there is absolutely nothing free about your scholarship. I repeat - THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FREE ABOUT YOUR SCHOLARSHIP! You work your ass off as a college athlete, especially in football. My frosh year consisted of the following schedule:

5:20 am - Wake up
6:00 am - Morning workout session (Monday-Thursday)
7:15-7:30 am - Arrive back at dorm and get dressed for class
8:00 am-1:00 pm -Attend classes and grab lunch somewhere in-between
2:00-3:00 pm - Meetings
3:15-5:00 pm - Practice
5:30-6:45 pm - Dinner
7:00-9:00 pm - Study Hall

And then you get to wake up and do it again! Also, let's be real about this. These are 18-22 year old young adults. There's lots of pretty girls around. Sometimes you may meet a pretty young lady and want to take her on a nice date. Problem is you're flat broke. Hell, you may want to have some fun and blow off some steam by drinking wayyyy too much one night. It's college! Problem is you're flat ass broke. That's where all the problems come in at. These guys just simply get tired of walking around flat broke. It's college. Athletes want to enjoy the entire experience just like everyone else. Truth be told, after I blew my ACL out and stopped playing football, I enjoyed the college experience even more. I was actually enjoyable. I worked, made money, went to class, wasn't too dog ass tired to do my homework, and actually had time to soak the whole experience up.

I also feel that not all athletes in all sports should be paid. Women's tennis shouldn't be paid. Men's lacrosse shouldn't. Swimmers and soccer players shouldn't either. I know about the whold Title IX deal, so save that argument. My opinion isn't based off of fairness. If the sport generates absurd amounts of revenues, then the players should get a piece of that too.Too many are going to university for the "entire college experience." The experience is to get an education to get a J O B. Not to attend frat parties, get laid, get drunk, be popular or get you fannie smacked in some stupid initiation. College is not a part of life. It is a step to prepare oneself to feed, house and toilet paper oneself. Many go to college simply because mom & dad insisted. I have no facts to back me up but I would be stunned if 50% of those who enroll go on to get a 4 year degree and then get a job with it.

badboy
06-06-2011, 03:28 PM
QUOTE=Texan JBZ;1707987]I didn't get to finish my entire thought on this subject earlier. Most of the responses on here seem to be coming from the outside looking in. I was a collegiate athlete so here's my opinion. First, training tables don't exist anymore. Neither do athletic dorms. College athletes eat at the same cafeteria and stay in the same dorms as every other college student. Secondly, there is absolutely nothing free about your scholarship. I repeat - THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FREE ABOUT YOUR SCHOLARSHIP! You work your ass off as a college athlete, especially in football. My frosh year consisted of the following schedule:

5:20 am - Wake up
6:00 am - Morning workout session (Monday-Thursday)
7:15-7:30 am - Arrive back at dorm and get dressed for class
8:00 am-1:00 pm -Attend classes and grab lunch somewhere in-between
2:00-3:00 pm - Meetings
3:15-5:00 pm - Practice
5:30-6:45 pm - Dinner
7:00-9:00 pm - Study Hall

And then you get to wake up and do it again! Also, let's be real about this. These are 18-22 year old young adults. There's lots of pretty girls around. Sometimes you may meet a pretty young lady and want to take her on a nice date. Problem is you're flat broke. Hell, you may want to have some fun and blow off some steam by drinking wayyyy too much one night. It's college! Problem is you're flat ass broke. That's where all the problems come in at. These guys just simply get tired of walking around flat broke. It's college. Athletes want to enjoy the entire experience just like everyone else. Truth be told, after I blew my ACL out and stopped playing football, I enjoyed the college experience even more. I was actually enjoyable. I worked, made money, went to class, wasn't too dog ass tired to do my homework, and actually had time to soak the whole experience up.

I also feel that not all athletes in all sports should be paid. Women's tennis shouldn't be paid. Men's lacrosse shouldn't. Swimmers and soccer players shouldn't either. I know about the whold Title IX deal, so save that argument. My opinion isn't based off of fairness. If the sport generates absurd amounts of revenues, then the players should get a piece of that too.

ok:

Everybody wakes up. You forgot a hot breakfast in the cafeteria that they do not pay for. Regular students eat a pop tart or breakfast bar.

A morning workout of 1:15...... some people wish they were pushed to do that (some non scholarship players do that to stay fit and look good on their own).

Everybody gets dressed to go to class.

8am-1pm Everybody takes classes and eats lunch in between (non scholarship students might have to eat a PBJ out of their backpack since they are not on the meal plan while the scholarship players get a full hot meal in the cafeteria).

2pm - 3pm meetings? An hour of their time in AC relaxing.

Practice an hour and a 45 minutes (be ready for Saturday!)

Dinner???? everybody eats it.

Study hall??? Is that something that other students don't do? STUDY????

Sounds like a 4 hour work day 4 days a week (you said Mon-Thurs) for a room/board/tuition/books/and maybe be on TV Saturdays?

I am not trying to be mean or ugly, but the average student has to come up with $25K a year to go to school for 4-5 years. Football players do what they LOVE and do it for 4-5 years and go to school without paying for it. Their parents can surely come up with $100-$200 a month for spending money since they do not pay tuition, books, fees, room, or board. Like I said, if they players say they are being exploited...... DO NOT SIGN A LETTER OF INTENT...... and pay your own way![/QUOTE]From the stories we hear, many of hese student athletes' families can not affor $100/$200 month spending money. A scholarship is only chance to get an education. Your example could also say "Hey, I am giving you a $400,000 Skater racing boat, surely you can put gasoline in it and keep it maintained."

OrangeLotPole8
06-06-2011, 06:12 PM
As a teacher, I'd have thought you would have attacked the football coaches salary compared to yours but of course then you would have to say you chose not to be a coach.

I do Coach Badboy, I have been teaching and coaching at the high school level for 19 years. Head football coach makes more than me, but he doesn't have Texans season tickets! :texflag:

Texan JBZ
06-06-2011, 06:32 PM
Too many are going to university for the "entire college experience." The experience is to get an education to get a J O B. Not to attend frat parties, get laid, get drunk, be popular or get you fannie smacked in some stupid initiation. College is not a part of life. It is a step to prepare oneself to feed, house and toilet paper oneself. Many go to college simply because mom & dad insisted. I have no facts to back me up but I would be stunned if 50% of those who enroll go on to get a 4 year degree and then get a job with it.

:headhurts:Are you for real? Did you go to Houston Baptist or something?

Wolf
06-06-2011, 06:38 PM
some questions

so should their be a salary cap on the number of "employees" ?
when does the statue of limitations run out where a player doesn't get compensated for "his" jersey? when his college year ends? what happens to people that buy "his" Jersey a year or two after, would it go toward the new player's revenue? or do you make all the jerseys "limited editions" and give them a certain code of authenticity?

OrangeLotPole8
06-06-2011, 07:48 PM
:headhurts:Are you for real? Did you go to Houston Baptist or something?

You sir have been REPPED! :koolaid:

badboy
06-06-2011, 09:33 PM
I do Coach Badboy, I have been teaching and coaching at the high school level for 19 years. Head football coach makes more than me, but he doesn't have Texans season tickets! :texflag:LOL but i think the thread is about coaching in college...

badboy
06-06-2011, 09:41 PM
:headhurts:Are you for real? Did you go to Houston Baptist or something?Went to Junior colleges for 2 1/2 years and paid for every hour myself +car payments & life "experiences". And yeah, I am about as real as they come. Don't pretend I'm something I'm not nor run with the crowd. Make plenty of mistakes but imo take responsibility for same and the consequences without running to daddy to bail me out. He could not if he had wanted as he was low income route sales worker.

I started working at 14 & owned my first car + payment that came with it. Education was a way to get me to a law degree. Fortunately, money in my hand looked better than money in more quantity somewhere in the future. I changed my major from law to business and then the ladies won the battle for my attention and I lost my deferment and got drafted. Joined Marines for 3 years instead of Army for 2. I was really bad at math.

badboy
06-06-2011, 09:43 PM
some questions

so should their be a salary cap on the number of "employees" ?
when does the statue of limitations run out where a player doesn't get compensated for "his" jersey? when his college year ends? what happens to people that buy "his" Jersey a year or two after, would it go toward the new player's revenue? or do you make all the jerseys "limited editions" and give them a certain code of authenticity?

No one talking about royalties, just a small amount for "date money".

OrangeLotPole8
06-07-2011, 01:03 PM
ok:
From the stories we hear, many of hese student athletes' families can not affor $100/$200 month spending money. A scholarship is only chance to get an education. Your example could also say "Hey, I am giving you a $400,000 Skater racing boat, surely you can put gasoline in it and keep it maintained."[/QUOTE]


Badboy, we can agree to disagree. Kids can't have their cake and eat it too. If their schedule is "so full" they do not have time for date night. I see people all the time in the grocery stores buying their food with a lone star card. Then they throw up their budlight or mich ultra case and then throw a carton of cigs and pay with cash. They then walk out to their cars while they are wearing the $125 Nikes, have a cell phone with the internet, and 22 inch rims that are on a decent car. ITS ALL ABOUT PRIORITIES! Even "poor people" (extended family included) can come up with $25-50 a week for the poor poor scholarship football player getting $25-35K a year for their education.

Guess what? Even when us "normal" people have to come up with room, board, tuition,books, and fees....... we STILL find a way for a little spending money. If you WANT to do something..... you will find a way...... and you will.... if its not important to you.... you wont. Not trying to be mean or rude.... JMO... we all have different takes on the situation.

As far as being a teacher and coach, I CHOSE that profession, I will never be rich with $$$$$, but will make a living and be RICH inside for making a difference in many kids lives over the years. I love my job and never regret what I did. I work to live, not live to work. :soapbox: