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CloakNNNdagger
05-31-2011, 07:03 PM
The quandry of too many good RBs. A problem? If so, I sort of like this problem............for once.

NFL seasons, despite being only 16 games, are long endeavors. With every passing week, an NFL team changes remarkably. Just halfway into a season, a team’s roster, expectations, and fan support have likely shrunk or swelled depending on results.

Given that the NFL is such a dynamic league, it is understandable that 2010 rookie Ben Tate is largely forgotten, even by diehard Houston Texans fans. After the Auburn product broke his ankle in the first preseason game he was immediately placed on the injured reserve and never heard from again that season.

And what a season it was to be for the Texans. Some undrafted free agent running back that had spent most of the previous season on the practice squad named Arian Foster emerged as not only the starter but also the eventual league rushing champion.

So now that Foster is considered one of the NFL’s best running backs and a perfect fit for the zone running system, what does that mean for Ben Tate now that he is presumably healthy?

Offensive coordinator Rick Dennison made it clear that the starting tailback position belongs to Foster alone. When addressing Tate’s position in the Texans backfield, he had this to say:

“We’re going to give him the ball a few times and see how he does,” Dennison said. “We’re looking at it as he ended up with a redshirt year. He still has the ability that we liked to get him in the second round. We’ll take some turns. Obviously, Arian’s (Foster) our number one guy, and then we’ll go from there.”

It should also be noted that Derrick Ward, who emerged last season as the primary third down back to spell Foster, was unexpectedly re-signed just prior to the end of the league year on March 4th. This move came after Tate was medically cleared in February.

At first glance, all these bits of news combined don’t bode well for Tate. Just a year ago he was a fantasy darling because the Texans finally had a competent back to replace the ailing Steve Slaton. Now it appears he might be third on the depth chart.

I would caution anyone prescribing to this thinking though. As Dennison pointed out, Tate was drafted in the second round of the draft. This represents a large investment, especially for the Texans who had previously never drafted a running back prior to the third round.

Not only did they set the aforementioned benchmark for the franchise, but they traded up for Tate meaning that they saw very good value after trading down from their original second round slot.

Tate may not have been worth the pick for every NFL team, but the Texans considered him a perfect fit for their zone running scheme. Tate showed surprising speed at the 2010 NFL Combine when he ran for a 4.34 40 yard dash.

This straight line speed didn’t come with a lot of lateral agility to make defenders miss, but that’s not what the Texans want from backs. They prefer their backs to read the blocks, and once a decision is made to stick a foot in the ground and hit the hole. It was this very skill that made Foster so successful last season.

So presuming that Tate possesses the same physical attributes that got him drafted 58th overall, the Texans have a physically talented back with full year of exposure to the NFL, albeit from the sidelines. Watching both film and how professionals approach the game constitutes the redshirt year that Dennison spoke of.

The notion that Tate will have to compete with Ward is probably not true. Ward was more than serviceable last season, but he will be 31 this season. Also, his 6.3 yards per carry was fantastic, but it was more a testament to the offensive line and Foster softening defenses than anything spectacular that Ward did.

While I don’t have concrete proof to back it up, I believe that Ward’s statistics are misleading. Foster would tire from the numerous touches he got, and it always seemed as if Ward was brought in when Foster would be needed the most. Sometimes Ward would produce, but there was an obvious drop off from Foster.

Tate possesses the same tools that made Ward successful last year, but with more power and speed. After all, Tate is a full eight years younger at a position where age really matters. Re-signing or not, Tate is number two on the depth chart.

What will the workload share be like though? Last season Steve Slaton and Derrick Ward combined for 69 carries while Foster tallied 327, not to mention the 66 receptions. The track record for backs with 400 plus touches in a season staying healthy is not very good, especially if the workload is repeated.

I truly believe that one way or another, Tate will have more than 69 rushing attempts in 2011. Either Gary Kubiak and Dennison will wisely use Tate to spell Foster more, or they will stubbornly insist on placing the same emphasis of the offense on Foster and two seasons of overwork will take its toll.

I think that Kubiak and Dennison used Foster to the extent they did in 2010 because they knew the alternatives represented a huge disparity in talent. While Tate has not shown to be near the back that Foster has, he is much closer in ability and therefore the offensive brain trust will feel more comfortable giving Tate a larger piece of the pie.

All this is to say that I will be shocked if Tate doesn’t have more than 100 carries next season, and a decent amount of receptions that comes with being a third down back. One of the attributes that Tate possessed which allowed his high draft was his ability to pass protect and underrated receiving skills.

Does this mean that Foster’s production will decrease from the 1,600 yard benchmark he set for himself? Probably, but I think that would happen whether Tate gets a larger percentage of work or not.

If it was up to me, I would rather have both backs with good production than one with great production if it puts him at risk for injury. After all, individual stats don’t matter, only team ones.link (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/718743-houston-texans-the-texans-extra-rookie-ben-tate)

DocBar
06-01-2011, 12:45 AM
Nice find. The life of an NFL RB is notoriously short and violent. I would keep all three and not bat an eye.
Speaking of Foster, there were a few guys on here a couple of years ago singing his praises. I was wondering who the hell he was. For those guys that saw the diamond in the rough, good job. You nailed it with him being perfect for the Texans running game.

TimeKiller
06-01-2011, 08:45 AM
Nice find. The life of an NFL RB is notoriously short and violent. I would keep all three and not bat an eye.
Speaking of Foster, there were a few guys on here a couple of years ago singing his praises. I was wondering who the hell he was. For those guys that saw the diamond in the rough, good job. You nailed it with him being perfect for the Texans running game.

I really doubt I was the first one but I always said his highlight reels at Tennessee were awesome. I thought he was big, strong and had good enough vision to make up for the lack of dancing manuevers. And then as a pro he developed all of that even further, hence the rushing title.

Ben Tate has a lot of similarities to Foster. Big. Strong. Quick. I think he has the ability to be just as good as Foster....but the dedication? Broken ankle certainly doesn't help but we'll see how this young 2nd rounder bounces back; hopefully having 3 big RBs is enough to pound defenses into submission. Ward was more than competent as a backup, I think Ben Tate may just outdo that.

IDEXAN
06-01-2011, 09:23 AM
Still say drafting Tate was a wasted choice and it obviously goes to prove that Smith & Kubiak didn't have a clue about Arian Fosters potential.

cuppacoffee
06-01-2011, 09:34 AM
Still say drafting Tate was a wasted choice and it obviously goes to prove that Smith & Kubiak didn't have a clue about Arian Fosters potential.

Yep

And the 31 other teams were scrambling to get Arian into their camps.


:coffee:

El Tejano
06-01-2011, 09:36 AM
Still say drafting Tate was a wasted choice and it obviously goes to prove that Smith & Kubiak didn't have a clue about Arian Fosters potential.

The one thing I like about Foster is his attitude that he has to work as if the team is looking for someone to replace him right now. If Ben Tate keeps Foster looking over his shoulder, Ben Tate would not be a wasted draft pick.

I think Ward's production is not skewed. The writer of this article may have failed to notice how he was the only RB that scored against NY Giants in that horrific game, the 40 something yarder he scored against KC to help bring us back in that game -a game where Foster wasn't himself, and in Oakland where he scored the first TD of the game on a 30 yard score and played the entire first half.

All that being said. I recall we put Ward in when we got inside the 5. The reason was to give Arian a breather and that Ward would be the big back to get us in the endzone and we lost a few games due to that. I think Ward gives us the 3rd down back we want, I think Ben Tate gives us the grinder we need. And if we can have a well rested and healthy Foster late in the fourth quarter and late in the season. We can pull out some wins.

ATXtexanfan
06-01-2011, 09:36 AM
if tate still has that 4.34 forty speed then lookout, nothing wrong with rolling him out there

nero THE zero
06-01-2011, 09:45 AM
Still say drafting Tate was a wasted choice and it obviously goes to prove that Smith & Kubiak didn't have a clue about Arian Fosters potential.

Obviously not, since they beat out the Saints to sign him as an UDFA by offering an uncharacteristically generous contract for an UDFA.

Nevermind the fact that he went undrafted, despite his obvious potential. Nevermind the character concerns that have been noted by people involved with him at Tennessee, media members, and coaches on the Texans' staff.

Obviously Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak are wholly inept and had no idea that they had signed, developed, and coached a great RB. They were definitely not hedging their bet and safeguarding the position that had a high risk, high reward player on it.

HJam72
06-01-2011, 09:50 AM
I totally disagree that there was a huge and noticeable drop-off when Ward came in last year. I'll concede that maybe the reason THERE WASN'T is because Foster already had them worn out, and I'll also concede that Ward is getting old for an NFL RB and doesn't have many years of real production left, but 6.5 yards a carry is NOT a drop-off from anything.

Let's not take away accomplishments that have already occurred just because a good player is not our #1 hero of the year.

I also disagree that Kubiak and Smith didn't see Foster's potential. They just didn't know for sure if he would fulfill it (because nobody really did) and what if Ward (a 30 yr. old RB) had been injured, Foster had been average and not-quite-up-to-his-potential, and Slaton had just sucked again (which he did @ KR)? Ben Tate's drafting had it's reasons and it's not going to hurt anything to have another good, young RB around.

DocBar
06-01-2011, 01:10 PM
This is going to be a big season for us. Is AF a one year wonder, ala SS and DD(W)? Can Tate recover 100% from his ankle injury? CND can comment more on this, but a lot of ankle injuries are quirky as far as recovery. There are so many small bones, ligaments, tendons and nerves that a minute change can have exponentially larger effects. I don't remember the exact diagnosis, but I do know, in general, you're better off with a broken ankle than a severely sprained/dislocated ankle. Was there much soft tissue damage?
IF AF can be anywhere near as effective as last year and Tate can come back 100%, we have a 3 headed monster that will definitely churn out some yardage and control the clock.

CloakNNNdagger
06-01-2011, 02:28 PM
This is going to be a big season for us. Is AF a one year wonder, ala SS and DD(W)? Can Tate recover 100% from his ankle injury? CND can comment more on this, but a lot of ankle injuries are quirky as far as recovery. There are so many small bones, ligaments, tendons and nerves that a minute change can have exponentially larger effects. I don't remember the exact diagnosis, but I do know, in general, you're better off with a broken ankle than a severely sprained/dislocated ankle. Was there much soft tissue damage?
IF AF can be anywhere near as effective as last year and Tate can come back 100%, we have a 3 headed monster that will definitely churn out some yardage and control the clock.

Virtually all ankle dislocations result in an accompanying fracture......something I stated when the Texans were saying it was "only" a dislocation. Once the MRI was in, a fracture of the fibula (the smaller bone of the lower leg was fractured). This is fortunate because it bears only 10% of the weight. Had it been a tibia (large bone of the lower leg) fracture, prognosis would be more tenuous since it bears 90% of the weight. An every day Joe can recover to normal activity in 3-4 months. Athletes can usually regain pre injury performance levels between 1 and 2 years, closer to the 1 year point with attentive concentrated rehab/strengthening. There is always that small factor of unpredictability..........and it certainly didn't help when the medical staff allowed him to try to walk off the field on his own power. But I think that Tate has an excellent chance to pick up close to where he was prior to injury by the time the next regular season game begins (whenever that is).

DocBar
06-01-2011, 04:01 PM
Virtually all ankle dislocations result in an accompanying fracture......something I stated when the Texans were saying it was "only" a dislocation. Once the MRI was in, a fracture of the fibula (the smaller bone of the lower leg was fractured). This is fortunate because it bears only 10% of the weight. Had it been a tibia (large bone of the lower leg) fracture, prognosis would be more tenuous since it bears 90% of the weight. An every day Joe can recover to normal activity in 3-4 months. Athletes can usually regain pre injury performance levels between 1 and 2 years, closer to the 1 year point with attentive concentrated rehab/strengthening. There is always that small factor of unpredictability..........and it certainly didn't help when the medical staff allowed him to try to walk off the field on his own power. But I think that Tate has an excellent chance to pick up close to where he was prior to injury by the time the next regular season game begins (whenever that is).I didn't know that virtually all dislocations come with a fracture. I've been unfortunate enough to see a handful of dislocations and they are horrible for all parties involved. Thanks for that info, doc.

EllisUnit
06-01-2011, 06:21 PM
Nice find. The life of an NFL RB is notoriously short and violent. I would keep all three and not bat an eye.
Speaking of Foster, there were a few guys on here a couple of years ago singing his praises. I was wondering who the hell he was. For those guys that saw the diamond in the rough, good job. You nailed it with him being perfect for the Texans running game.

watching him run reminded me of emmitt smith, he is not overly elusive, although he does have some BA cuts, but he is very deceiving and good with his feet, also very hard to bring down. he rarely goes down with first contact. He runs kinda like Domanick Davis did except with MORE speed.

badboy
06-01-2011, 06:36 PM
Foster should return with same impact if reduced yardage due to other backs. I evaluated Tate with that speed and size as a "franchise"type back. ANytime you can get a Franchise in second round regardless of position, it is worth the pick. Ward is well worth the re-newed contract and did exactly what he was supposed to do, give Ward a breather, do not lose the ball and any yards is gravy to go wid de chicken.

Slaton, I hope to see him in a role more suited to him.

DocBar
06-01-2011, 07:39 PM
Foster should return with same impact if reduced yardage due to other backs. I evaluated Tate with that speed and size as a "franchise"type back. ANytime you can get a Franchise in second round regardless of position, it is worth the pick. Ward is well worth the re-newed contract and did exactly what he was supposed to do, give Foster a breather, do not lose the ball and any yards is gravy to go wid de chicken.

Slaton, I hope to see him in a role more suited to him.I'm trying to figure out what SS's role would be. 3rd down receiver out of the backfield sounds good, but I'm not sure he fits the team. What's his contract status?

CloakNNNdagger
06-01-2011, 09:00 PM
I'm trying to figure out what SS's role would be. 3rd down receiver out of the backfield sounds good, but I'm not sure he fits the team. What's his contract status?

Slaton's in his last year of contract..............only $555,000. They'l find a role for him or package him in a trade.

gary
06-01-2011, 09:09 PM
Do they resign Slaton if he has a good year?

CloakNNNdagger
06-01-2011, 09:41 PM
Do they resign Slaton if he has a good year?

The 2011 trade deadline would have been around the middle of Oct. They could extend it, if there is a season and it is royally screwed up. There is plenty of time before a decision is made for keeping or trading him this year..........unless the whole season is royally screwed up.........and still there is plenty of time.

And I wonder........if there is no season, a player theoretically cannot count this year in their eligibility for FA...........right?...............what a frigging mess!:thinking:

badboy
06-01-2011, 11:33 PM
Do they resign Slaton if he has a good year?
A minor but comparable situation to Mario Williams.

Slaton could have a very productive year and still be a trade option that could bring a plus to team.
Mario could have a very productive year and still be a trade option that could bring a very big plus to team.

Being offered the right deal is the key.

DocBar
06-02-2011, 06:48 AM
A minor but comparable situation to Mario Williams.

Slaton could have a very productive year and still be a trade option that could bring a plus to team.
Mario could have a very productive year and still be a trade option that could bring a very big plus to team.

Being offered the right deal is the key.If either one has a very productive year, what's the incentive to trade them? I can see the incentive with SS, being that it will be a crowded backfield, but that will hinder his production. If MW has a very productive year, in an entirely new position and scheme, I can't see it. The sky may well be the limit for him if he goes all Lawrence Taylor on the NFL next year. I can't see trading for anything less than the Herschel Walker deal. Who's going to do that? I doubt the Vikings will. The Lions might have, but Matt Millen is no longer on the team. Casserly isn't in anyone's front office, so that's a no go.

IDEXAN
06-02-2011, 08:03 AM
Yep

And the 31 other teams were scrambling to get Arian into their camps.


:coffee:
OK, but unlike the Texans none of those 31 other teams had Arian on their team and in their TC, with them all preseason, and throughout the whole regular season including watching him play as the primary back and produce 2 100 yard rushing performances at the end of that first year on the team. After that whole year in Houston and on the team, they still go out and use their second-round pick on another back. If they'd have used a third or fourth round pick, but please not their second-rounder.
Just how much time does a talented player have to be under the noses of Smith & Kubiak before they realize his talent ?

CloakNNNdagger
06-02-2011, 08:15 AM
OK, but unlike the Texans none of those 31 other teams had Arian on their team and in their TC, with them all preseason, and throughout the whole regular season including watching him play as the primary back and produce 2 100 yard rushing performances at the end of that first year on the team. After that whole year in Houston and on the team, they still go out and use their second-round pick on another back. If they'd have used a third or fourth round pick, but please not their second-rounder.
Just how much time does a talented player have to be under the noses of Smith & Kubiak before they realize his talent ?

Far-sightedness will do it to you every time.:thinking:

DocBar
06-02-2011, 08:21 AM
OK, but unlike the Texans none of those 31 other teams had Arian on their team and in their TC, with them all preseason, and throughout the whole regular season including watching him play as the primary back and produce 2 100 yard rushing performances at the end of that first year on the team. After that whole year in Houston and on the team, they still go out and use their second-round pick on another back. If they'd have used a third or fourth round pick, but please not their second-rounder.
Just how much time does a talented player have to be under the noses of Smith & Kubiak before they realize his talent ?You bring up some good points. As a counter point, what do you make of Tom Brady? Not all that different from Foster. Except for the drafted part, multiple SB's, NFL titles, MVP's and going from 4th string to Bledsoe's back up in his rookie season. Not much difference at all. OK... Let's just forget this comparison of coaches abilities to judge talent. :backsout:

pirbroke
06-02-2011, 01:29 PM
nice article

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/06/02/second-year-rbs-tate-hardesty-looking-up-at-stars

badboy
06-02-2011, 02:25 PM
If either one has a very productive year, what's the incentive to trade them? I can see the incentive with SS, being that it will be a crowded backfield, but that will hinder his production. If MW has a very productive year, in an entirely new position and scheme, I can't see it. The sky may well be the limit for him if he goes all Lawrence Taylor on the NFL next year. I can't see trading for anything less than the Herschel Walker deal. Who's going to do that? I doubt the Vikings will. The Lions might have, but Matt Millen is no longer on the team. Casserly isn't in anyone's front office, so that's a no go.I start by saying I am ok with Mario being re-signed as this is last contract year. He will command a huge increase even if he gets less than 10 sacks. My premise in considering a trade is he is the only piece of value that we could lose and the team not be diminished.

In my scenario, Reed and Barwin and Watt have very good years providing smooth transfer at OLB and DE. If the experiment of moving Williams to OLB works and he gets 15 sacks, he then has increased his worth to 4-3 team or a 3-4 team. New England's right DE looked average at best last season. PATS offer first round #28 & 29 and #60 in second round for Mario.

2012 draft:
1. Texans #20 WR Jeff FUller 6'4" 215 4.42
1. NE #28 CB/PR Jayron Hosely 5'11" 172 4.42 9 INTs (2010)
1. NE #29 FS/CB Eddie Whitley 6'1" 190 4.45
2. Texans #19 ILB Courtney Upshaw 6'2" 262
2. NE #60 NT Alameda Ta'Amu 6'3" 330 5.29
3. CB/KR Coryell Judie 5'11" 188 4.42 "lock down" corner
4. SS/FS Winston Guy 6'1" 210 4.46

We can want vets but as of today there is no free agency & no guarantee when there is we will land a significant one. We have only one CB on team that earned his paycheck last season, Jason Allen and no one seems to be content with his skills.

DocBar
06-02-2011, 03:20 PM
I start by saying I am ok with Mario being re-signed as this is last contract year. He will command a huge increase even if he gets less than 10 sacks. My premise in considering a trade is he is the only piece of value that we could lose and the team not be diminished.

In my scenario, Reed and Barwin and Watt have very good years providing smooth transfer at OLB and DE. If the experiment of moving Williams to OLB works and he gets 15 sacks, he then has increased his worth to 4-3 team or a 3-4 team. New England's right DE looked average at best last season. PATS offer first round #28 & 29 and #60 in second round for Mario.

2012 draft:
1. Texans #20 WR Jeff FUller 6'4" 215 4.42
1. NE #28 CB/PR Jayron Hosely 5'11" 172 4.42 9 INTs (2010)
1. NE #29 FS/CB Eddie Whitley 6'1" 190 4.45
2. Texans #19 ILB Courtney Upshaw 6'2" 262
2. NE #60 NT Alameda Ta'Amu 6'3" 330 5.29
3. CB/KR Coryell Judie 5'11" 188 4.42 "lock down" corner
4. SS/FS Winston Guy 6'1" 210 4.46

We can want vets but as of today there is no free agency & no guarantee when there is we will land a significant one. We have only one CB on team that earned his paycheck last season, Jason Allen and no one seems to be content with his skills.You make a compelling argument, but if MW gets 15 sacks in his 1st year in this scheme, I'm not sure the scenario will work. He has increased value in ANY scheme and we would be crazy to trade that known quantity away for complete unknowns. The Texans aren't in that bad of shape. We could keep MW and still have a great draft in 2012 to address depth. NE isn't known for giving away draft picks, either. More like pulling in as many as they can. I don't know if Belichik would go for it.

badboy
06-02-2011, 03:37 PM
You make a compelling argument, but if MW gets 15 sacks in his 1st year in this scheme, I'm not sure the scenario will work. He has increased value in ANY scheme and we would be crazy to trade that known quantity away for complete unknowns. The Texans aren't in that bad of shape. We could keep MW and still have a great draft in 2012 to address depth. NE isn't known for giving away draft picks, either. More like pulling in as many as they can. I don't know if Belichik would go for it.It's my dream scenario! NE needs to make a statement after losing in play offs so quickly. If I was a fan I'd be shaking the bars for a "big move". NE also allows vets to leave for draft picks. Richard Seymore I believe.
If Watt, Mario and Reed all do well, we could still lose 16 games with our defensice backs.

DocBar
06-02-2011, 05:54 PM
It's my dream scenario! NE needs to make a statement after losing in play offs so quickly. If I was a fan I'd be shaking the bars for a "big move". NE also allows vets to leave for draft picks. Richard Seymore I believe.
If Watt, Mario and Reed all do well, we could still lose 16 games with our defensice backs. If that happens, we might send a DB to the pro bowl.

wildroot
06-03-2011, 11:36 PM
Still say drafting Tate was a wasted choice and it obviously goes to prove that Smith & Kubiak didn't have a clue about Arian Fosters potential.

Especially considering Arian was on our team for an entire year BEFORE we picked Tate. You'd think in that year (TC, Pre S. and Reg. S) Smith & Kubiak would have taken him out for a few test drives and perhaps seen enough of something to really get him out there on the field on a regular basis.

Oh thats right...they went with Brown instead.

CloakNNNdagger
06-04-2011, 07:20 AM
Especially considering Arian was on our team for an entire year BEFORE we picked Tate. You'd think in that year (TC, Pre S. and Reg. S) Smith & Kubiak would have taken him out for a few test drives and perhaps seen enough of something to really get him out there on the field on a regular basis.

Oh thats right...they went with Brown instead.

The Texans' main explanation for not putting him on the field was that there were some significant "discipline concerns" ongoing.

buddyboy
06-04-2011, 10:32 AM
I can't believe how big a deal people are making of this whole Arian Foster situation. So he sat a year. WHOAH, IT TOOK THE FRONT OFFICE A WHOLE YEAR TO START HIM! If it was two or three years, I'd be a little pissed we hadn't been utilizing that talent from the get-go, but a year is not the end of the world.

He was an UDFA that showed glimpses, but no REAL sign that he'd be great when he did see the field.

houstonspartan
06-04-2011, 10:15 PM
I can't believe how big a deal people are making of this whole Arian Foster situation. So he sat a year. WHOAH, IT TOOK THE FRONT OFFICE A WHOLE YEAR TO START HIM! If it was two or three years, I'd be a little pissed we hadn't been utilizing that talent from the get-go, but a year is not the end of the world.

He was an UDFA that showed glimpses, but no REAL sign that he'd be great when he did see the field.

You are missing the big picture by a mile.

1) This team has underachieved the last few years. When we suddenly have a break out superstar, it is normal to ask how we didn't see this guys talent before. Which leads to...

2) Talent evaluation. Teams need people who can spot talent, and potential talent that can be coached up. This team had a superstar sitting on the bench for a year. It is legit to ask why no one saw the potential.

I do see your point, though: you're saying "let's enjoy Arians talents now". But I think it's fair to ask big picture questions about the staff's ability to identify players.

Rey
06-04-2011, 11:27 PM
Well they did see the potential. That's why he was given the starting spot.

If the texans staff could spot every piece of talent in guys they'd be the best team ever. I know they've made scouting/evaluation mistakes but complaining about Arian sitting the bench his rookie season after being an undrafted free agent with character concerns is just ridiculous.

Carr Bombed
06-05-2011, 09:26 PM
You are missing the big picture by a mile.

1) This team has underachieved the last few years. When we suddenly have a break out superstar, it is normal to ask how we didn't see this guys talent before. Which leads to...

2) Talent evaluation. Teams need people who can spot talent, and potential talent that can be coached up. This team had a superstar sitting on the bench for a year. It is legit to ask why no one saw the potential.

I do see your point, though: you're saying "let's enjoy Arians talents now". But I think it's fair to ask big picture questions about the staff's ability to identify players.

Umm, how about the fact that Foster was already named the starter before and after we drafted Tate?


Sorry, but Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith were able to "evaluate" Foster's talent. It's why he was NAMED THE STARTER.... Also that kind of stuff happens all the time, even to top organizations. I mean are the Steelers incompetent because they cut James Harrison? It's not a exact science and it happens all the time.

Ben Tate was not a wasted pick, we needed quality players at that position at the time and maybe the team didn't want to sit on their hands like they did after Slaton's rookie season. Ben Tate is a good player and was a good pick. :rolleyes: Do you know how stupid Kubiak and Smith would've looked if Foster wasn't a beast last season and they didn't even try to address that position? We needed a RB at the time and we got one.......instead of everybody bitching about it, why can't people just be glad we finally have depth at that position? A position that you NEED depth at.

buddyboy
06-06-2011, 08:03 PM
You are missing the big picture by a mile.

1) This team has underachieved the last few years. When we suddenly have a break out superstar, it is normal to ask how we didn't see this guys talent before. Which leads to...

2) Talent evaluation. Teams need people who can spot talent, and potential talent that can be coached up. This team had a superstar sitting on the bench for a year. It is legit to ask why no one saw the potential.

I do see your point, though: you're saying "let's enjoy Arians talents now". But I think it's fair to ask big picture questions about the staff's ability to identify players.

As far as talent evaluation, the Texans obviously spotted talent in him, otherwise they wouldn't have signed him to an especially lucrative UDFA contract. They also saw talent in him where every other team didn't, seeing as they all passed.

Sometimes, talent just can't be spotted until it happens. Arian Foster just happened; he blew up on the scene when no one really expected it.