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texanfan2002114
05-31-2011, 09:22 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/afc-south-becomes-focal-point-of-hard-knocks-poll/

Just a poll on PFT.com on which team from the AFC South would you like to see on Hard Knocks and our Texans are leading the poll right now!!

Texecutioner
05-31-2011, 09:58 AM
Hopefully that doesn't happen. None of these other teams want to be on that show for a reason and everything I've heard from GM's and coaches as to why are negative reasons. For everything I've heard them say, it sounds like the last thing a team like the Texans need right now.

gtexan02
05-31-2011, 10:03 AM
Hopefully that doesn't happen. None of these other teams want to be on that show for a reason and everything I've heard from GM's and coaches as to why are negative reasons. For everything I've heard them say, it sounds like the last thing a team like the Texans need right now.

Seems like the last few years have been a very good luck. The teams on hard knocks have had a lot of success actually. And these aren't teams that were historically doing well.

2010 - NY Jets - 11-5, playoffs
2009 - Cincinatti Bengals - 10-6, playoffs
2008 - Dallas Cowboys - 9-7, just missed

disaacks3
05-31-2011, 10:13 AM
Hopefully that doesn't happen. None of these other teams want to be on that show for a reason and everything I've heard from GM's and coaches as to why are negative reasons. For everything I've heard them say, it sounds like the last thing a team like the Texans need right now.

Normally, I would agree, but the Texans need national exposure in a big way!

Texecutioner
05-31-2011, 10:23 AM
Seems like the last few years have been a very good luck. The teams on hard knocks have had a lot of success actually. And these aren't teams that were historically doing well.

2010 - NY Jets - 11-5, playoffs
2009 - Cincinatti Bengals - 10-6, playoffs
2008 - Dallas Cowboys - 9-7, just missed

The Cowboys had a horrible year coming off that show and many of the players and coaches said that they many things were effected from that show. Herm Edwards talked about it when he was coaching as well. You seemed to have missed my point when I mentioned the fact that so many teams are not interested for many reasons and all of them being negative as to why. Even the Lions are saying no thanks. That should speak volumes at this rate. With a team like the Texans who have lacked focus for years that have an owner that simply loves exposure and gets content with that as success, that's a horrible idea. Bob would see his team on tv every week on a reality show and would probably care less about what happens with the season after that, because it would get his ticket sales high and his team talked about more which is all he really seems to care about in the end any way. Sorry, but as a fan that only cares about winning a high amount of games seeing my team win SB rings, I could care less about National Exposure for a team that doesn't even deserve it any way. I think more National Exposure at this present time does nothing positive at this point in time until the Texans start winning and creating a higher mystique for themselves.

I do have a feeling that the Texas will end up going on that show by default now since every other team is saying no, and down here in Kirby country that's somehow looked at as success, but it's not what this franchise needs. They just need to have their nose to the floor and need to be focused on changing an entire defense around and fixing their minor issues on offense. Not a reality show.

Normally, I would agree, but the Texans need national exposure in a big way!

Let this team actually make the playoffs a few years where they can show some consistency of focus before bringing this kind of circus to their training camp. It seems like so many Texans fans only care about the Texans being talked about instead of them being winners. This team will get better National exposure when they make themselves relevant for it instead of having these humiliating seasons. Until Gary or some other coach can have them playing consistent football for several years, all this National Exposure is the last thing they need and the last thing fans in this city need to see, since to many fans only care about that and winning isn't important to them. Having a team that's getting higher National Exposure because no other team wanted what they got in a reality show and they were the only team that accepted it just because that's the only way they can garner attention Nationally makes this organization look like a step child asking for handouts as usual. To many fans for the Texans would actually consider this some sort of stepping stone and success just because they're on this show instead of finding success in a 12-4 type of season which what fans should be demanding going into their 10th season. Winning is all that should matter at this point. National Exposure shouldn't matter until the consistency of winning is already present.

HTown2ATX
05-31-2011, 10:34 AM
Would you want to see even MORE of Kubes? .... :kubepalm:

Wow! That would be such a crazy show in the Texans locker room. :sarcasm:

The contreversy over the days oatmeal portions would be phenominal......

This team doesn't deserve national coverage until they start winning. Not just making the playoffs and getting smoked in the 1st game either. Actually progressing in the playoffs.

With the FO and HC staff's propensity to stay away from any type of contreversy in it's players, statements, etc., I'm sure HBO would be dissappointed by the end product.

Texans on hard knocks right now would be the HBO/Football equivalent of Little House on the Prarie.
(obviously 2010 is still pissing me off along with the miracle that is Kubes keeping his job :facepalm: )

MistaRed
05-31-2011, 10:58 AM
Would you want to see even MORE of Kubes? .... :kubepalm:

Wow! That would be such a crazy show in the Texans locker room. :sarcasm:

The contreversy over the days oatmeal portions would be phenominal......

This team doesn't deserve national coverage until they start winning. Not just making the playoffs and getting smoked in the 1st game either. Actually progressing in the playoffs.

With the FO and HC staff's propensity to stay away from any type of contreversy in it's players, statements, etc., I'm sure HBO would be dissappointed by the end product.

Texans on hard knocks right now would be the HBO/Football equivalent of Little House on the Prarie.
(obviously 2010 is still pissing me off along with the miracle that is Kubes keeping his job :facepalm: )

Hilarious.....

alphajoker
05-31-2011, 11:03 AM
I wonder if the lockout has anything to do with teams not wanting to participate on Hard Knocks...

pirbroke
05-31-2011, 11:29 AM
I hope if the Texans think of doing this that they let the players have a vote on it as well. If the players don't mind the cameras then I must admit, I would like to see them on it. I think the type of players the Texans have been drafting will not let this effect their training at all. It would probably be one of the least drama shows of them all.

eriadoc
05-31-2011, 11:33 AM
I don't have HBO and have never seen Hard Knocks. That said, I want the Texans to be on the show (and I still won't watch). I want the team to have the national spotlight and the public scrutiny that goes along with it. There's not enough accountability going on down on Kirby, so maybe a little public scrutiny is what's needed to put a boot in someone's ass. They'll either rise to the occasion and perform well in the spotlight, or they'll wither. In the former case, I'm happy. In the latter, I expect it'll give a bit of red-face to McNair, which I believe he needs.

disaacks3
05-31-2011, 11:43 AM
Let this team actually make the playoffs a few years where they can show some consistency of focus before bringing this kind of circus to their training camp. It seems like so many Texans fans only care about the Texans being talked about instead of them being winners. This team will get better National exposure when they make themselves relevant for it instead of having these humiliating seasons. I respectfully disagree. I think you've gone off on a tangent about fans not wanting "winning" as opposed to "exposure". I want nothing of the sort. I ALWAYS want my team to win first, everything else later. The texans need that national exposure for more than just the fans' sake. It might just.....wait for it......get other players interested in the Texans organization. Wouldn't it be nice to have free agents actually WANTING to come to Houston?

Seriously, what the worst that could happen? We'd miss the playoffs? Players would decide this WASN'T somewhere they'd like to go? Sorry, but we're already there, how is Hard Knocks going to make it any worse?

rush2112mn
05-31-2011, 11:58 AM
I have been torn on Hard Knocks....

I do not think Wade would mind....he was on it before with the Cowboys.
Not sure how much Kubiak would want to be on there. Kubiak is so reserved as it is and not a outgoing personality.

I say if they do have a chance to be on it....why not. :fans::texan::logo:

El Tejano
05-31-2011, 12:04 PM
I respectfully disagree. I think you've gone off on a tangent about fans not wanting "winning" as opposed to "exposure". I want nothing of the sort. I ALWAYS want my team to win first, everything else later. The texans need that national exposure for more than just the fans' sake. It might just.....wait for it......get other players interested in the Texans organization. Wouldn't it be nice to have free agents actually WANTING to come to Houston?

Seriously, what the worst that could happen? We'd miss the playoffs? Players would decide this WASN'T somewhere they'd like to go? Sorry, but we're already there, how is Hard Knocks going to make it any worse?

disaacks3 and eriadoc beat me to the reasons as to why I wouldn't mind seeing us go on the show. This would be great for people to see who and what is the problem for any reason why we aren't being ready for the opening day etc....

Also it places another thing we can offer to a guy like Asomuagh who is trying to become a household name. We now have that ability to offer him that New England would offer through saying "well hey we are New England, we will win and you will be noticed." Now we can say "Well we are an up and coming team who if we had you last year would've made the playoffs and you can be noticed as the man around here well before we even play a game."

nero THE zero
05-31-2011, 12:43 PM
They turned it down in '09 and then begged for it last year and got beaten out by the Jets. I bet they'd take it if offered.

That said, I'm pretty sure it's only been offered to NFC teams this year. Do they alternate conferences every year?

IDEXAN
05-31-2011, 01:03 PM
Part of me would enjoy seeing it, but on the other hand I see no point in a couple of marginal players like david Anderson & Jacobey Jones getting the limelight for several weeks.

False Start
05-31-2011, 01:20 PM
I would actually like the Texans to be on Hard Knocks. That way we could get a look at the rookies, and see if they are the real deal. Also be able to see what this team is gonna be all about with the new D.

Texecutioner
05-31-2011, 01:22 PM
I respectfully disagree. I think you've gone off on a tangent about fans not wanting "winning" as opposed to "exposure". I want nothing of the sort. I ALWAYS want my team to win first, everything else later. The texans need that national exposure for more than just the fans' sake. It might just.....wait for it......get other players interested in the Texans organization. Wouldn't it be nice to have free agents actually WANTING to come to Houston?

Seriously, what the worst that could happen? We'd miss the playoffs? Players would decide this WASN'T somewhere they'd like to go? Sorry, but we're already there, how is Hard Knocks going to make it any worse?

You see now you've fallen into this belief or shall I say a myth that players won't come here. I don't know if you've been listening to some of the folks around here who think small, but free agents will come here all day long if the team is willing to pay them and if Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak had a strong agenda to sell players around the league on coming here. Players around the NFL will go sign anywhere if the money is good and if they can develop a belief that the franchise is on it's way up as oppose to being on it's way down. Getting National Exposure doesn't help that case at all really. More National Exposure doesn't tell any player that the Texans aren't going to stink anymore when they know Kubiak is here and that our owner rewards failure. When our coaching staff and GM develop a recruiting mentality and take charge in trying to sell our franchise's future success is when you'll start seeing players coming here as long as they're getting paid.

Getting extra exposure on a reality show like that isn't going to help the Texans do anything though. If anything it would possibly expose how weak Smithiak is to other players and make it even harder to recruit other free agents when we already have a combo that doesn't like to recruit as it is. I don't think it would help the Jacksonville Jaguars if they went on that show either. They're a lower level team just like us and their National Exposure wouldn't really make their team any better just like I don't see that happening for us. Mcnair cares a lot more about National Exposure than he does winning though. Putting the Texans on that show would totally suck all the fans into buying season tickets again which makes Bob think this is a successful season no matter what this team does. I don't want to see a happy Bob Mcnair, because than he's complacent as usual. I want to see a frustrated and angry Bob Mcnair. Then he'll actually dedicate himself more into improving this franchise instead of calling 6-10 being on the right track and hoping it ends up getting him a reality show.

Texecutioner
05-31-2011, 01:26 PM
disaacks3 and eriadoc beat me to the reasons as to why I wouldn't mind seeing us go on the show. This would be great for people to see who and what is the problem for any reason why we aren't being ready for the opening day etc....

We already know what a ton of the problems with this organization are. We've had the same staff failing every season while doing the same stuff and using the same approach that doesn't work.




Also it places another thing we can offer to a guy like Asomuagh who is trying to become a household name. We now have that ability to offer him that New England would offer through saying "well hey we are New England, we will win and you will be noticed." Now we can say "Well we are an up and coming team who if we had you last year would've made the playoffs and you can be noticed as the man around here well before we even play a game."

And you think that being on a show like Hard Knocks would tell Aso that?? Come on now, you're just reaching really far now. Players around the league really don't care about being on that show. It's not some great privlidge when all these teams around the league don't even want that show.

eriadoc
05-31-2011, 01:32 PM
We already know what a ton of the problems with this organization are. We've had the same staff failing every season while doing the same stuff and using the same approach that doesn't work.

Yeah, WE know. I want people in New York, Boston, Chicago, and everywhere else to know. So when they fail again, McNair gets a little embarrassed.

On the subject of FA, it isn't that free agents won't come here, but that they will only come here for top dollar. McNair has the right idea in building a front office that handles personnel decisions like the Steelers, Pats, and Eagles, in that they don't pay top dollar for too many players. Those teams develop within, pay just what's necessary to keep their key guys, and they pick up cheaper free agents to fill in the cracks. And that philosophy works great when you keep the guys you groom and when you have a winning team that FAs want to come to for less than top dollar. The Texans' front office seems to want to irritate the guys they draft and cheap out on FAs before they've built the winning tradition.

Texecutioner
05-31-2011, 01:40 PM
Yeah, WE know. I want people in New York, Boston, Chicago, and everywhere else to know. So when they fail again, McNair gets a little embarrassed.

On the subject of FA, it isn't that free agents won't come here, but that they will only come here for top dollar. McNair has the right idea in building a front office that handles personnel decisions like the Steelers, Pats, and Eagles, in that they don't pay top dollar for too many players. Those teams develop within, pay just what's necessary to keep their key guys, and they pick up cheaper free agents to fill in the cracks. And that philosophy works great when you keep the guys you groom and when you have a winning team that FAs want to come to for less than top dollar. The Texans' front office seems to want to irritate the guys they draft and cheap out on FAs before they've built the winning tradition.

But Mcnair has already been embarrassed. He was humiliated last season by the other owners and didn't even know it, so what makes you think he'll somehow realize it now?? Hell, the other owners were telling him how great his team was and just snickering right behind his back. I think Mcnair would be jolly as ever to have a reality show about the Texans all it would do is make the typical guillible Texans fans buy more tickets and Mcnair is a happy man. That's what drives him. I don't think he would be smart enough to realize that being on this show and failing miserably would embarrass him and this organization. If it helps to drive ticket sales, than he would consider it a high success in my eyes. And I also think it would make many of the fans happy just to see this team on that show and winning wouldn't be near as important to them either. I've talked to two many fans in this city that have told me personally that 8-8 is great and that they're just happy to have a team with a great owner like Mcnair.

I think your theory is very logical and makes sense and I see where you're coming from, but with the owner we have, I don't think he'd understand the potential embarrassment if it happened. I think it would go right over his head.

Texans34Life
05-31-2011, 01:44 PM
Won't it be a short Hard Knocks with the span of time b/t lockout ending and training camp/FA/preseason/regular season starting?

They might as well fill the Hard Knocks with commercial breaks since they do it anyway when BSPN or the NFL Network mentions the Texans.

gary
05-31-2011, 01:58 PM
The main thing that has failed the Texans is very sub par coaching since day number one. Besides just throwing stacks of money at free agents a great coaching staff and a hard driven working environment goes a long way in getting top free agents to come here. Gary and Rick are currently failing this team just like Carlie and Dom did for about five seasons before hand. You go out and get a Cowher, Dungy, or Gruden and then let them go out and try to sell this team around the league because I don't believe Smithiak has it in them to do so.

eriadoc
05-31-2011, 02:02 PM
But Mcnair has already been embarrassed. He was humiliated last season by the other owners and didn't even know it, so what makes you think he'll somehow realize it now??

Because the other owners won't come right out and humiliate him. It doesn't do them any service to do so. They like having the half-competent patsy. The media in places like Boston and NY don't know enough about nor care about the Texans. When they are on Hard Knocks, the media in those cities will pay attention to that and the subsequent season. If the team fails, they'll get blasted like they've never experienced before. The media here is too soft, and they have something to lose by truly blasting off on the team. Media in Philly? They don't give a damn.

gary
05-31-2011, 02:09 PM
I have to wonder when I think about those players who have been drafted by the Texans but never lived up to their hype, why? I'd like to believe it was half bad players and half poor coaching. Maybe not. Who knows?

Texecutioner
05-31-2011, 02:24 PM
Because the other owners won't come right out and humiliate him. It doesn't do them any service to do so. They like having the half-competent patsy. The media in places like Boston and NY don't know enough about nor care about the Texans. When they are on Hard Knocks, the media in those cities will pay attention to that and the subsequent season. If the team fails, they'll get blasted like they've never experienced before. The media here is too soft, and they have something to lose by truly blasting off on the team. Media in Philly? They don't give a damn.

When do you think the media would bash the coaches or this organization? During the reality show or after the season assuming the Texans fail? If it's during the show I don't think they'd say that much really. I've never seen any coach get bashed because of how they coached or ran things on that show other than Rex Ryan, and that was purely on the basis of him cursing and poor language. The media never trashed any other coaches on that show before from what I remember.

And after the season, well I don't think the media in those other cities would hardly say a word because the Texans wouldn't be relevant for them to even remember them being on the show especially after another losing season. It would probably be just another exceeded expectation of failure for this franchise and probably wouldn't care to even report on it for Bob to take notice. Just my take on this. If ticket sales are high which we know they will be, Mcnair seems like he's a happy guy despite a losing record. If high profit amounts are still existent than Bob will probably see no reason for change since he's got two alleged geniuses running the offense and defense now. Remember, Wade potentially bought Kubes another season since he'll need a few years to transition to a 3-4 and all indications point towards the fact that Bob thinks Gary Kubiak is an offensive genius who just needs a great DC to be a great HC and we're a SB contender in his mind.

disaacks3
05-31-2011, 03:03 PM
You see now you've fallen into this belief or shall I say a myth that players won't come here.

Getting extra exposure on a reality show like that isn't going to help the Texans do anything though.


Since your whole paragrpah boils down to two point, let's make this brief:

1) What myth? You're the one trying to disprove what's been seen THUS far, not I. The Texans seem to have a knack for being "in the running" for top-tier FAs,b ut rarely (if ever) getting them. You think it's only the $$ issue, I think there's more to it that that.

2) You think the exposure won't help, I think it can't hurt. You seem to think we'll look worse, I think we can only look better.

It'd be a great test of the Texan Organazation's "Committment to winning". If Bob McNair isn't just whistling dixie, then he should be able to convey an aura of a team he's dedicated to making into a competititor. If he isn't, that'll show too and I'll know it's time to bail, rather than go down with a sinking ship.

HTown2ATX
05-31-2011, 03:22 PM
If Bob McNair isn't just whistling dixie, then he should be able to convey an aura of a team he's dedicated to making into a competititor. If he isn't, that'll show too and I'll know it's time to bail, rather than go down with a sinking ship.

I hate to jump in and frankly I see where you are coming from, so this is not meant to side with anyone or anything like that....

But...

I think McNair last year killed the bolded statement by keeping Kubes on board. I'm sorry but to me it just seems like he/we as a city and fan base are largely satisfied to have mediocrity. We all say we don't accept mediocrity, but actions like keeping Kubiak and in a large extent supporting him staying proves otherwise even though we don't "mean" it to come across like that.

A message needed to be sent last year lockout or not and it wasn't and for shame IMO.

However, I guess I'll drown because I'll never jump the ship, no matter what. That doesn't mean I won't ***** on the way down :D

Texecutioner
05-31-2011, 03:46 PM
Since your whole paragrpah boils down to two point, let's make this brief:

1) What myth? You're the one trying to disprove what's been seen THUS far, not I. The Texans seem to have a knack for being "in the running" for top-tier FAs,b ut rarely (if ever) getting them. You think it's only the $$ issue, I think there's more to it that that.

Who were all of these free agents you're talking about? You seem to forget that we don't have a HC or a GM that goes all out to recruit these free agents. It takes more than just making an offer when trying to sell your franchise to free agents who can go where they want. With a team like the Texans Smithiak has to do more than the norm to get players to buy in on what we're building here and that's where these guys fail miserably. They either are to lazy or believe in building through the draft so strongly that they simply refuse to make the extra effort.

The NY Jets weren't some team that pulled free agents out of their hats every off season before Rex Ryan got there. Players weren't coming out the wind works to play for Herm Edwards or Eric Mangini. Rex Ryan went in there and turned that franchise around into one of the future and sold players around the league on the idea that it's on the way up and there isn't some notion that players won't go there. The Saints were never a team that had free agents wanting to go there either, but Sean Payton had no problems turning that around and being able to bring in quality players.


2) You think the exposure won't help, I think it can't hurt. You seem to think we'll look worse, I think we can only look better.


I think it could possibly if other players see with their own eyes and ears at how poor of a coach Kubiak is and how soft he seems as a head of an organization. They have to see that on the footage and agree with my opinion on that, but personally I think the majority of players around the league already have that feeling about Kubiak.

AnthonyE
05-31-2011, 03:54 PM
I personally woud love to see several things this training camp.

- Wade Phillips implimenting the 34 would be HUGE. I want to see how he does it and if players are really actually buying into the scheme and the new coaching staff.
- Rookies? How will they adjust to the lockout.
- Cutting/Signing players is always a huge attention grabber for any NFL fan.

For once I want to see what we do behind that fence at reliant. And not have to rely on McClains "articles" or Kubiak's coach speak.

I'd go over to my stepdad's house just to watch this.

False Start
05-31-2011, 03:59 PM
I personally woud love to see several things this training camp.

- Wade Phillips implimenting the 34 would be HUGE. I want to see how he does it and if players are really actually buying into the scheme and the new coaching staff.
- Rookies? How will they adjust to the lockout.
- Cutting/Signing players is always a huge attention grabber for any NFL fan.

For once I want to see what we do behind that fence at reliant. And not have to rely on McClains "articles" or Kubiak's coach speak.

I'd go over to my stepdad's house just to watch this.


Pretty much what I was trying to say. I think it would be a good deal, especially if we sign Aso....:fingergun:

gary
05-31-2011, 04:08 PM
Will Gary receive a new contract if an entire season is missed? LOL

AnthonyE
05-31-2011, 04:12 PM
Will Gary receive a new contract if an entire season is missed? LOL
LOL.
This post deserves the Matt Schaub Seal of Approval.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/liltony9144/happyschaubbetter.jpg

gary
05-31-2011, 04:15 PM
LOL.
This post deserves the Matt Schaub Seal of Approval.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/liltony9144/happyschaubbetter.jpgI am just saying that way this team would not win or lose so call it even.

Hervoyel
05-31-2011, 04:22 PM
Hey, it's about exposure and getting your "brand" out there in front of more eyes. I think having the Texans on Hard Knocks would be a marketing coup that Bob & Rick & Gary & Wade could hardly resist. Sure, it might be a little distracting but having the cameras shining brightly on our kids as we finally turn the corner and drive deep into the playoffs for the first time in franchise history is more than worth it.

What could possibly go wrong?

ATXtexanfan
05-31-2011, 04:47 PM
screw hard knocks and a madden cover

CloakNNNdagger
05-31-2011, 05:47 PM
What could possibly go wrong?


.......Go wrong........go wrong........go wrong.......go wrong...........:kubepalm::wadepalm:

Norg
05-31-2011, 07:13 PM
would love to see the texans do it Get some national attention

but it would make for a very boring show IMO there better off going with them good ol country Titans and the debacle of there off season with good ol Rusty Locker and CJ

Kaiser Toro
06-01-2011, 07:46 PM
I am all for it. The downside for this fan of a playoff-less, personality-less team is minimal - in training, for the brand or for fans of Texans content. The worst I could see happening is that folks around the country get bored.

CloakNNNdagger
06-02-2011, 06:45 AM
I am all for it. The downside for this fan of a playoff-less, personality-less team is minimal - in training, for the brand or for fans of Texans content. The worst I could see happening is that folks around the country get bored.

Hopefully, not laughing stocks.

DocBar
06-02-2011, 07:16 AM
I say let 'em do it. Up the irons and damn the torpedo's. Being in the spotlight could make Kubiak shine or get him ran out of town. Either way is a win-win for the Texans, in the long run. Besides, it's not like what we've been doing has worked out all that well in the W-L dept. Roll the dice. Live a little.