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Rey
05-30-2011, 04:57 PM
If the lockout drags on, the NFL has a built-in mechanism to delay the start of the season until what is now scheduled to be the fourth week and still play 16 games and a full postseason.

Here's how they will make up those three weeks if necessary:

- In a bit of creative scheduling, teams playing each other in the third week of the season have the same bye week later in the year. For example, the Giants are scheduled play at Philly on Sept. 25. The Jets are in Oakland. The Giants and Eagles each have their bye in the seventh week. The Jets and Raiders each have their bye in the eighth week. So, if the third week gets cancelled, the makeup games will move to the bye week. Of course, it becomes a lot more complicated if the lockout wipes out more than the first three weeks.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2011/05/28/2011-05-28_nfl_labor_player_strength_is_in_their_unity_but _solidarity_likely_to_be_tested_a.html#ixzz1Ns5kW8 vk


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2011/05/28/2011-05-28_nfl_labor_player_strength_is_in_their_unity_but _solidarity_likely_to_be_tested_a.html?page=1

Starting to look more and more like there will be games missed.

gary
05-30-2011, 05:21 PM
Why bother having a season if there is going to be a late start or games are going missed?

Marcus
05-30-2011, 07:07 PM
Why bother having a season if there is going to be a late start or games are going missed?

I absolutely agree with that.

If games are going to be missed, then just cancel the whole fricken thing.

Allstar
05-30-2011, 07:28 PM
I'd rather have some football than no football at all.

gary
05-30-2011, 07:36 PM
I absolutely agree with that.

If games are going to be missed, then just cancel the whole fricken thing.I am just sick of it all and with more fans would just quite on the NFL.

awtysst
05-30-2011, 07:54 PM
I am just sick of it all and with more fans would just quite on the NFL.

I hear what you are saying, but fans LOVE football. At that time of the year, what are your sporting options?

1. Baseball. Ok. Sure, in September, but baseball ends in October.

2. Ice Hockey? Its a distant fourth in terms of sports interest.

3. Basketball? They are going through their own problems and may have a longer lockout.

4. college football? Sure, but they already have their own fan bases. I don't see it drastically increasing. College football is very different from NFL football.

5. Auto racing? Nah.

gary
05-30-2011, 07:59 PM
I hear what you are saying, but fans LOVE football. At that time of the year, what are your sporting options?

1. Baseball. Ok. Sure, in September, but baseball ends in October.

2. Ice Hockey? Its a distant fourth in terms of sports interest.

3. Basketball? They are going through their own problems and may have a longer lockout.

4. college football? Sure, but they already have their own fan bases. I don't see it drastically increasing. College football is very different from NFL football.

5. Auto racing? Nah.I am sick of the NBA too. We pay high prices supporting them and they don't give a rats behind about you or I.

gtexan02
05-30-2011, 08:12 PM
I am just sick of it all and with more fans would just quite on the NFL.

Are you going to quit the NFL?

gary
05-30-2011, 08:20 PM
Are you going to quit the NFL?I might just do so.

badboy
05-30-2011, 08:42 PM
I could go with a ten game season.

Txn_in_FL
05-30-2011, 08:49 PM
Why bother having a season if there is going to be a late start or games are going missed?

Because there is still plenty of money to be made, even if the season is shortened or delayed.

Even with all the propaganda about the fans, and getting the season together for "the fans", it's not about you or me or any of the fans. It's all about the fans money.

mattieuk
05-30-2011, 08:52 PM
I could go with a ten game season.

And then the whinging begins regard preparation - a note goes next to the winner as winning the season, which no one could conduct pre-season training etc.

They need to either have it all, or nothing. For me football season is set up with the training camp battles, and rookie reports on who is going to burst onto the scene the next year. If it goes from courtroom to football field in 4 days, I'm just not going to be as into it all.

gary
05-30-2011, 08:58 PM
Because there is still plenty of money to be made, even if the season is shortened or delayed.

Even with all the propaganda about the fans, and getting the season together for "the fans", it's not about you or me or any of the fans. It's all about the fans money.Which is exactly why fans ought to start seeing the light.

Rey
05-30-2011, 08:59 PM
Well....

From the article it sounds more like a "delayed start" vs. a "games missed" thing.

What I find more intriguing than anything is that they are talking about taking out the bye weeks and still playing a full 16 game schedule.

That is interesting because we would still have a whole season, BUT that sounds like it would be kind of taxing on the players.

CloakNNNdagger
05-30-2011, 09:04 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2011/05/28/2011-05-28_nfl_labor_player_strength_is_in_their_unity_but _solidarity_likely_to_be_tested_a.html?page=1

Starting to look more and more like there will be games missed.

The NFL actually revealed their "late season" strategy several weeks ago.

Fans are quickly getting fed up with this entire fiasco, even without suffering the loss of one game yet.

I found the comments of fans (those after this article) are very telling and representative. Take the time to read them VOICE OF THE FANS (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post?id=4696589)

awtysst
05-30-2011, 09:14 PM
Which is exactly why fans ought to start seeing the light.

Ok, but like I said, if fans enjoy "football" where will they focus their attention? Arena Football and the USFL does not have the same quality of play.

So, if you are really a football fan, where do your football $ and attention go?

I figure the players will cave in September, so the season probably starts in October.

gary
05-30-2011, 09:23 PM
Ok, but like I said, if fans enjoy "football" where will they focus their attention? Arena Football and the USFL does not have the same quality of play.

So, if you are really a football fan, where do your football $ and attention go?

I figure the players will cave in September, so the season probably starts in October.There are plenty of other forms of football I'd watch rather than get crapped on by the NFL like we are now.

CloakNNNdagger
05-30-2011, 09:26 PM
I think that something that is not being appreciated as far as the "pulse" of the fans is the fact that here on the MB we are getting the views of the more "hardcore" fan segment. Fans outside of this type of venue are not nearly as likely to keep forcing hemselves to "put up with" this mess...........now or later.........no matter what the outcome.

Honoring Earl 34
05-30-2011, 09:58 PM
I am just sick of it all and with more fans would just quite on the NFL.

Screw em ... I'll watch HS and college and find something to do on Sundays . If more folks had this attitude then maybe they'd come to their senses .

gary
05-30-2011, 10:10 PM
Screw em ... I'll watch HS and college and find something to do on Sundays . If more folks had this attitude then maybe they'd come to their senses .Right. Both sides all they do is count us being there once they arrive back to business as usual.

ChampionTexan
05-30-2011, 10:54 PM
I think that something that is not being appreciated as far as the "pulse" of the fans is the fact that here on the MB we are getting the views of the more "hardcore" fan segment. Fans outside of this type of venue are not nearly as likely to keep forcing hemselves to "put up with" this mess...........now or later.........no matter what the outcome.

Nor are they as likely to be missing the things that the lockout has cancelled. Also, they're less likely to have a conniption fit every time a a player/agent/owner says something stupid, or when a court ruling goes against somebody (and as such, for somebody else).

They are the fans less likely to be lost if there are no RS games cancelled, but more likely to be lost if there are.

beerlover
05-31-2011, 06:24 AM
College Football could easily fill in the void created by the NFL. Heck they could even move games to Sunday & fill in those NFL TV slots while making a killing off the players they don't even have to pay.

Players are going to get screwed. They might as well take their losses now & move on before they actually hurt themselves more.

Thorn
05-31-2011, 08:18 AM
I'm hope the NFL goes broke and all these frigging owners are left holding the bag for a non-existent product. It's to bad there isn't a real viable 2nd league (other than the CFL) that could sign away a bunch of players from the NFL, because that would put a lot more pressure on the NFL corporate asshats to get this thing done.

CloakNNNdagger
05-31-2011, 09:37 AM
Nor are they as likely to be missing the things that the lockout has cancelled. Also, they're less likely to have a conniption fit every time a a player/agent/owner says something stupid, or when a court ruling goes against somebody (and as such, for somebody else).

They are the fans less likely to be lost if there are no RS games cancelled, but more likely to be lost if there are.

NFL somehow ahead of last yearís season-ticket pace (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/31/nfl-somehowahead-of-last-years-season-ticket-pace/)


The good news for the NFL is that, despite the lockout, the league somehow is ahead of its 2010 pace for selling season tickets. The bad news is that this gives the teams taking money away from non-player employees even less cause to continue to do so.

Daniel Kaplan of SportsBusiness Journal reports that owners received the surprisingly positive information last week at the quarterly meetings in Indianapolis. The increase arose in part from an accelerated launch to the sales effort, given the looming lockout. In other words, ďLetís get the money now from the folks who donít realize there may not be football this year.Ē

Either way, the development gives the teams that have laid off and/or furloughed and/or reduced pay even less cause to do so, and we hope that more teams will do what the Ravens did last week and reverse course.

Lots of preplanning, anticipating the lockout. Apparently 2 years in the scheming against the players........and the fans.

drs23
05-31-2011, 11:11 AM
And then the whinging begins regard preparation - a note goes next to the winner as winning the season, which no one could conduct pre-season training etc.

They need to either have it all, or nothing. For me football season is set up with the training camp battles, and rookie reports on who is going to burst onto the scene the next year. If it goes from courtroom to football field in 4 days, I'm just not going to be as into it all.

This pretty much sums it up for me as well as many others I would be willing to bet. Most of the former players and many whoes opinions I respect keep talking about this mess being settled around Aug. 1st with still plenty of time for a full season. I think in that case the play may be compromised in the early season but not enought for an (*). Just my opinion of course.

Texecutioner
05-31-2011, 11:37 AM
I'm hope the NFL goes broke and all these frigging owners are left holding the bag for a non-existent product. It's to bad there isn't a real viable 2nd league (other than the CFL) that could sign away a bunch of players from the NFL, because that would put a lot more pressure on the NFL corporate asshats to get this thing done.

What about the players asking for more and more money over and over and contracts that continue to climb as far as signing bonuses and salaries?? When does that ever end or does it at all? At some point the owners have to draw the line and say enough is enough. You keep paying athletes more and more money making them richer and richer, it's my belief that the quality of the game goes down a lot. We've seen nothing but increases in player salaries in the last 25 years now. Do the owners wait until they're making these players Billionaires to play football 4 months out of the year before they stop increasing their pay or do they try and get it solved now and draw a line. I think the owners are being risky by letting this thing play out the way it is in a lot of ways, and any time a season gets ruined it can have many horrible consequences down the line for the sport in general as far as viewership and interest from the fans, but NFL players are already way over paid in my eyes and I see most of them wasting their money and going broke despite being over paid, so I can see why the owners are doing a lot of what they're doing right now. They just haven't been smart and strategic about it.

Marcus
05-31-2011, 11:47 AM
Players are going to get screwed. They might as well take their losses now & move on before they actually hurt themselves more.

Absolutely.

I don't know who it is that's advising the players, but he's not leveling with them on how much the owners have them over a barrel.

The owners have been planning this for years, and despite the apparent surprise to some, that has not been a secret to anyone who has been paying attention.

The players need to get out that jar of vasoline, and decide whether there is going to be football this year. It's up to them.

Double Barrel
05-31-2011, 11:58 AM
What about the players asking for more and more money over and over and contracts that continue to climb as far as signing bonuses and salaries??

That is Capitalism 101. Supply and demand at it's most fundamental state.

When does that ever end or does it at all?

Revenue is increasing every year. Why shouldn't the players share a part of that profit, especially since they are the product?

At some point the owners have to draw the line and say enough is enough.

Then take that position during contract negotiations. The OWNERS are the ones making these deals and competing against each other. They can't have it both ways.

Sacrificing a season by locking out their players is not the wise way to achieve the goal. This is cutting off the nose to spite the face.

You keep paying athletes more and more money making them richer and richer, it's my belief that the quality of the game goes down a lot.

This is a purely subjective opinion. Many people wholeheartedly disagree with you, starting with the facts that fanbases and revenues have increased, which is indicative of a good product.

We've seen nothing but increases in player salaries in the last 25 years now.

And salaries are indicative of increased revenues by the league and teams.

Do the owners wait until they're making these players Billionaires to play football 4 months out of the year before they stop increasing their pay or do they try and get it solved now and draw a line.

If you are the hardcore football fan, then you know most of these players are training year round. And when they are not training, they are usually healing from the rather violent sport that they play.

I think the owners are being risky by letting this thing play out the way it is in a lot of ways, and any time a season gets ruined it can have many horrible consequences down the line for the sport in general as far as viewership and interest from the fans, but NFL players are already way over paid in my eyes and I see most of them wasting their money and going broke despite being over paid, so I can see why the owners are doing a lot of what they're doing right now. They just haven't been smart and strategic about it.

I think players AND owners are making way too much money off of taxpayer-financed stadiums. But I can't blame the players while painting the owners as a bunch of good guys. The NFL has a team of scam artists...errrr....marketing experts that play on the emotions of citizens to get them to finance these sports palaces. The owners are in this thing for one purpose, just like the players. Let's not kid ourselves about the shared goal of both sides in this situation.

Double Barrel
05-31-2011, 12:01 PM
Absolutely.

I don't know who it is that's advising the players, but he's not leveling with them on how much the owners have them over a barrel.

The owners have been planning this for years, and despite the apparent surprise to some, that has not been a secret to anyone who has been paying attention.

The players need to get out that jar of vasoline, and decide whether there is going to be football this year. It's up to them.

I agree completely. While I'm much more sympathetic to the players, I am also pragmatic and understand that the owners have taken a position that allows them to hold out longer than the players will be able to hold out.

Cut your losses and lick your wounds at this point. The players will start cracking around August and September, and the owners know this to be true.

alphajoker
05-31-2011, 12:14 PM
Absolutely.

I don't know who it is that's advising the players, but he's not leveling with them on how much the owners have them over a barrel.

The owners have been planning this for years, and despite the apparent surprise to some, that has not been a secret to anyone who has been paying attention.

The players need to get out that jar of vasoline, and decide whether there is going to be football this year. It's up to them.

Wouldn't it be DeMaurice Smith? I believe at one point the owners were going to share some part of their books which was never done before but the NFLPA denied it. I'm still scratching my head on why the players rejected it.

Thorn
05-31-2011, 12:14 PM
I think players AND owners are making way too much money off of taxpayer-financed stadiums. But I can't blame the players while painting the owners as a bunch of good guys. The NFL has a team of scam artists...errrr....marketing experts that play on the emotions of citizens to get them to finance these sports palaces. The owners are in this thing for one purpose, just like the players. Let's not kid ourselves about the shared goal of both sides in this situation.

DB, I couldn't agree more on every point you make there. Good post. :thumbup

gary
05-31-2011, 12:33 PM
I have heard the argument it is a choice the players make to play football which is very true but also if they don't put their bodies on the line there would not be any football neither would their be without the owners. So, what gives?

CloakNNNdagger
05-31-2011, 01:52 PM
Taking you back a couple of months ago:

In a meeting Friday with players at the NFLPA's meeting in Marco Island, Fla., executive director DeMaurice Smith said he will slash his salary to nothing until the labor dispute is over, according to an NFL.com report.

Recently, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and chief labor negotiator Jeff Pash said they were cutting their salaries to $1 during the labor impasse. Goodell and Pash promised in January that they would absorb salary cuts if there was a work stoppage. Smith responded then by saying he would take a pay cut to 68 cents.

According to the report, Smith earns about $1.8 million while Goodell makes $10 million a year, including bonuses, and Pash earns almost $5.5 million.

The report said Smith talked to players in small groups on Friday, with the salary news part of a pledge to complete a fair deal as quickly as possible. link (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-03-18/nflpas-demaurice-smith-cuts-his-pay-to-0)


The key phrase is "until the labor dispute is over" and "during the labor impasse." Does anyone think for a minute that after this mess is resolved, these main players will have really lost a penny come "bonus time?"

I do, in fact, have a bridge to sell you.............Nah, I lied. I donít have a bridge to sell you. Just an island thatís about to sail under this drawbridge as soon as they raise it. Toot toot!:spin:

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Double Barrel
05-31-2011, 03:15 PM
I have heard the argument it is a choice the players make to play football which is very true but also if they don't put their bodies on the line there would not be any football neither would their be without the owners. So, what gives?

By the same token, it is a choice the owners make to own these franchises.

Owners are the ones who make the decisions to move teams from one city to the other.

Owners are the ones that threaten to move teams to other cities unless the public pays for their palaces.

Owners are the ones who benefit from anti-trust status, but still hide their true profitability from the public and their players.

And owners are the ones who continued to escalate salaries in bidding wars against each other, but then lock out their players and threaten to cancel a season because they want players to give back what the owners gave them.

awtysst
05-31-2011, 03:22 PM
By the same token, it is a choice the owners make to own these franchises.

Owners are the ones who make the decisions to move teams from one city to the other.

Owners are the ones that threaten to move teams to other cities unless the public pays for their palaces.

Owners are the ones who benefit from anti-trust status, but still hide their true profitability from the public and their players.

And owners are the ones who continued to escalate salaries in bidding wars against each other, but then lock out their players and threaten to cancel a season because they want players to give back what the owners gave them.

You are right. If the owners are smart they would get together and collude. They would agree amongst each other not to pay a salary above a specific agreed upon number.

And while I agree with you that both sides need to work together, I tend to side with the owners much more than the players. Players would be smart to get what they can right now. Come September/October, the owner's will have the players over a barrel and the deal will be much more for them.

gary
05-31-2011, 03:56 PM
By the same token, it is a choice the owners make to own these franchises.

Owners are the ones who make the decisions to move teams from one city to the other.

Owners are the ones that threaten to move teams to other cities unless the public pays for their palaces.

Owners are the ones who benefit from anti-trust status, but still hide their true profitability from the public and their players.

And owners are the ones who continued to escalate salaries in bidding wars against each other, but then lock out their players and threaten to cancel a season because they want players to give back what the owners gave them.All of this is just food for thought when a case might actually be made for either side.

Hervoyel
05-31-2011, 05:31 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2011/05/28/2011-05-28_nfl_labor_player_strength_is_in_their_unity_but _solidarity_likely_to_be_tested_a.html?page=1

Starting to look more and more like there will be games missed.

I don't know, if they keep this crap up that long I don't exactly think I'll be missing them.

Malloy
06-01-2011, 06:55 AM
I'm hope the NFL goes broke and all these frigging owners are left holding the bag for a non-existent product. It's to bad there isn't a real viable 2nd league (other than the CFL) that could sign away a bunch of players from the NFL, because that would put a lot more pressure on the NFL corporate asshats to get this thing done.

Why do I always agree with you? :)

Rey
06-01-2011, 07:21 AM
You are right. If the owners are smart they would get together and collude. They would agree amongst each other not to pay a salary above a specific agreed upon number.

And while I agree with you that both sides need to work together, I tend to side with the owners much more than the players. Players would be smart to get what they can right now. Come September/October, the owner's will have the players over a barrel and the deal will be much more for them.

Which players?

They may have some of the mid level or lower talent ready take the bait but the stars of the league generally have enough money that they could hold out for a while.

Until they get the stars to crack it really doesn't mean a whole lot.