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CloakNNNdagger
05-24-2011, 06:49 PM
For the second time in as many years, Peyton Manning has undergone surgery on his neck.

Mike Chappell of the Indianapolis Star reports that Manning underwent a “minimally invasive” procedure Monday to fix a disc-related issue. He underwent surgery last March to relieve pain from a pinched nerve. It’s believed Manning has been working with teammates this offseason until this problem popped up.

Manning spent Monday evening in an Indianapolis hospital before returning to his local home Tuesday.

“There is plenty of time for recovery,’’ Manning told Chappell, noting that after his last surgery he was working out within a week and lifting weights within two weeks.

Manning is downplaying the severity of the issue and sounded optimistic about being ready for team activities, when they resume. Still, Manning has now undergone two surgeries in 15 months in the same area after a remarkably healthy career. He’s 35 years old and at a point in his career when it’s fair to wonder if his peak is behind him.

The surgery comes at a difficult time for Manning; he’s expected to work out a long-term contract with the Colts after the lockout that would make him the league’s highest paid player.link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/24/peyton-manning-recovering-from-second-neck-surgery/)

Most would be thinking in terms of Manning worrying about additional playing trauma to his head and neck area. But more acutely worrisome, this is a cervical problem causing pain and/or numbness and/or weakness of the arm(s) and/or hand(s)......not a particularly good problem for a QB to be dealing with.

Thorn
05-24-2011, 07:09 PM
Manning could be in a full body cast and still scare me. As a Texan fan, I wouldn't get my hopes up about this. I'm sure Manning will be fit and ready for the season. If not though, the Colts are screwed. Do they even have a backup that's worth anything?

Buffi2
05-24-2011, 07:43 PM
Short answer - nope. Longer answer - Curtis Painter is the only backup as of last year.

CloakNNNdagger
05-24-2011, 08:18 PM
Terming the surgery as a "very non-evasive procedure," Irsay insists that he isn't worried that the injury will become a long-term concern.link (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/05/colts-no-concerns-about-peyton-mannings-neck-surgery/1)

Whew! Thank the Lord, it's not evasive! Everyone can stop worrying right now!:hurrah:

FirstTexansFan
05-24-2011, 08:31 PM
Short answer - nope. Longer answer - Curtis Painter is the only backup as of last year.

We have a way of making those unknowns.... known.. Besides, I wanna beat'em with King Manning at the helm :)

TEXANRED
05-25-2011, 08:43 AM
Manning is 35 and his prime left him after he threw an INT in the Super Bowl to lose the game.

He has been plagued with all kinds of weird aliments the last few years and now he pinches a nerve while playing catch with his team mates?

gtexan02
05-25-2011, 08:50 AM
A Texan will get turf toe and it will somehow become a career ender.
Manning will have neck surgery and come back better.

Texan Chick knows why

IDEXAN
05-25-2011, 08:54 AM
I don't like that we got stuck with the season opener again facing Manning/Colts because I think it provides more of a motivation for the Colts to avenge last years season opening embarrassment in Reliant than it does for us to repeat the performance, certainly our best game of the year.

Txn_in_Oki
05-25-2011, 08:58 AM
Is this a football related injury or is his neck effed up from the effort of keeping that massive cranium of his vertical?

CloakNNNdagger
05-25-2011, 10:10 AM
Only about 4% of cervical spine injuries in the NFL are suffered by QBs. When a QB expects to be sacked, he usually takes a fetal like position, with his head tucked in. Any trauma, accidental or not, to the top of his head by a defensive player is enough to create a herniation of a cervical disc. Once it occurs once, it becomes more vulnerable to lesser trauma. If one level is treated, it can put more stress on the adjacent disc. It can act as a domino effect. If Manning had his 2nd non-invasive procedure on the same segment, he can probably expect to go on to an open cervical fusion procedure (ala Slaton) sometime in the future........especially if he sustains further trauma to the area.

http://www.heads-upstabilizer.com/usa%20hockey%20picture.jpg

TimeKiller
05-25-2011, 10:19 AM
We'll see how bad it hurts.


I bet it doesn't.

Vinnie
05-25-2011, 10:20 AM
link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/24/peyton-manning-recovering-from-second-neck-surgery/)

Most would be thinking in terms of Manning worrying about additional playing trauma to his head and neck area. But more acutely worrisome, this is a cervical problem causing pain and/or numbness and/or weakness of the arm(s) and/or hand(s)......not a particularly good problem for a QB to be dealing with.

So he does have a cervix. I knew it with all that bitching he does to the refs.

Señor Stan
05-25-2011, 10:40 AM
I could have sworn the procedure was actually a forehead extension.

DonnyMost
05-25-2011, 10:50 AM
If my head was that big I'd probably need neck surgery too.

Dutchrudder
05-25-2011, 12:43 PM
link (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/05/colts-no-concerns-about-peyton-mannings-neck-surgery/1)

Whew! Thank the Lord, it's not evasive! Everyone can stop worrying right now!:hurrah:

Well, it's not like Peyton is a great scrambler anyways. Sooner or later he was bound to get caught by this surgery...

El Tejano
05-25-2011, 03:55 PM
Sweep the neck!

HJam72
05-25-2011, 04:06 PM
Sweep the neck!

Sounds like a job for Super Mario! :mario:

MightyTExan
05-27-2011, 02:22 PM
Sweep the neck!


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CloakNNNdagger
06-12-2011, 07:02 PM
From today's Indianapolis Star (http://www.indystar.com/article/20110612/SPORTS03/106120362/Locked-out-players-keeping-busy):

Quarterback Peyton Manning hasn't thrown since undergoing surgery to repair a disk-related issue in his neck May23, but he was at Morton's, where he was excused from carrying a tray, and at the softball game, where he didn't take a spot in the lineup.

Curtis Painter, his backup, is healthy and throwing, and on Thursday, was golfing.

Not carrying a restaurant tray?......or participating in a softball game? Following the procedure he underwent, these activities, especially the 1st, would normally be "on the menu" within a few days following the surgery.
Being extra careful? Not a reasonable explanation.

CloakNNNdagger
07-08-2011, 02:50 PM
Excuse me if I seem to have remained so skeptical about situation and progression of events. But his lack of having his "personal therapist" is not why his rehab schedule is so slow. It is because the significance of his injury(ies) have been minimized.

Peyton Manning has “no idea” when he’ll be ready to go (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/08/peyton-manning-has-no-idea-when-hell-be-ready-to-go/)

Colts quarterback Peyton Manning is at the annual Manning Passing Academy, but he’s not doing any passing. Manning said he’s not ready to throw, has “no idea” when he will be, and is concerned about his recovery from May neck surgery. And Manning blames the lockout for his inability to work with the physical therapist he most trusts.

“The lockout didn’t allow me to work my [Colts] therapist, Erin Barill, and I’m just not comfortable taking any chances with this thing,” Manning told ESPN’s Chris Mortensen. “Erin knows me. He’s rehabbed me through two other surgeries [neck and knee] and I think most people understand that once you build up a trust with your therapist, that’s the guy you want and need to work with.”

So as long as the lockout is going on, Manning won’t be able to say whether he’s healthy enough to play. We have a feeling that when the lockout ends and Manning is negotiating a new contract with the Colts, he’ll be saying he expects to be at full strength for years to come.

Allstar
07-08-2011, 03:52 PM
This thread makes me feel guilty for being happy about Manning being hampered by neck surgery :voodoo:

El Tejano
07-08-2011, 04:21 PM
Excuse me if I seem to have remained so skeptical about situation and progression of events. But his lack of having his "personal therapist" is not why his rehab schedule is so slow. It is because the significance of his injury(ies) have been minimized.

Peyton Manning has “no idea” when he’ll be ready to go (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/08/peyton-manning-has-no-idea-when-hell-be-ready-to-go/)

That's right Peyton. Don't throw. Take however long you need. Afterall you are just playing Houston 1st week of the season.

CloakNNNdagger
07-30-2011, 09:33 AM
Colts expect Peyton Manning to miss start of camp (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7675442.html)
By MICHAEL MAROT AP SPORTS WRITER
July 29, 2011, 12:58PM

INDIANAPOLIS — The pain in Peyton Manning's neck will keep him off the practice field early next week.

Indianapolis still isn't sure how long it will take to get the four-time MVP back.

Colts coach Jim Caldwell said Friday that the Colts will be cautious with their franchise quarterback, who had neck surgery in May, and will not push him too hard. Camp opens Monday at Anderson University.

"Obviously, he's not ready right now, but nobody works harder and is more dedicated than him," Caldwell said. "When he's ready, we'll turn him loose."

Caldwell did not provide a timetable for Manning's return.

It's the second time in four years the Colts will open camp without Manning.

In 2008, Manning missed all of training with an infected bursa sac in his left knee, which required two surgeries. He struggled during the first half of the season, but led the Colts to nine straight wins to make it back into the playoffs.

He also had neck surgery in March 2010 but recovered and did not miss any practices at camp.

The only other time Manning has missed even a portion of training camp was in 1998, when he was one week before signing his first contract.

Teammates said they aren't concerned that Manning won't be throwing right away.

"I've told him to be as cautious as he needs to be because the last time I checked, we don't count preseason games," Pro Bowl center Jeff Saturday said. "I can tell you this, there's not a player that works harder than he does."

The questions about Manning's health have been increasing ever since he had the surgery.

In June, Archie Manning, Peyton's father, said his son's rehab wasn't going as quickly as expected. A month later, at the family's annual passing academy, Peyton Manning barely threw and said he was being cautious with his rehab because lockout rules prevented him from working out with Colts team trainers.

Last week, team owner Jim Irsay acknowledged Manning might not be ready when practices begin Monday, a position he reiterated just hours after the lockout ended.

"You don't want him doing too much too soon and you don't know on recoveries," Irsay said. "A lot of times eight weeks is enough. But to get a full recovery, it's going to be a little longer in this case."

Caldwell said the coaches have not had a chance to see where Manning yet, and he's not sure when they will.

Manning is still locked into negotiations for a long-term contract that could keep him in Indy for the rest of his career. In February, the Colts tagged Manning as their exclusive franchise player, meaning he would make about $23 million this season if he signed the one-year offer.

Until he signs one or the other, Manning couldn't practice anyway.

Irsay has promised to make Manning the highest-paid player in league history, but even he acknowledges that's a very high price with a salary cap slated at $120.3 million. Indy hopes that by lowering Manning's salary cap number, they will be able to sign more of their free agents.

The team also confirmed Friday that it had agreed to new deals with kicker Adam Vinatieri and safety Melvin Bullitt. On Thursday, the Colts also lost linebacker Clint Session to Jacksonville, which signed him to a five-year deal worth more than $29 million.

Two key players were still out there: Running back Joseph Addai and left tackle Charlie Johnson, two players who would help protect Indy's biggest investment.

"We've been in a lockout, and when you think about that, it's very difficult to get that (Manning's deal) done in two, three days," Caldwell said. "It's going to take a couple days, and it will be done at some point in time. When it is, we'll be ready to go."

Manning isn't the only player the Colts have been getting medical checks on.

Pro Bowl tight end Dallas Clark has been cleared for full participation and will wear a splint on the wrist he injured last fall, the team said. Other key players cleared to practice are receiver Anthony Gonzalez (knee), tight end Brody Eldridge (knee), cornerback Kelvin Hayden (neck) and cornerbacks Jerraud Powers (foot, arm) and Kevin Thomas (knee).

The team also said that receiver Austin Collie has not shown any lingering symptoms of the two concussions that forced him to finish last season on injured reserve. He is expected to be a full participant in practice next week.

"I feel good, I'm excited to get back into it," Collie said. "At this point, everything is great."

Except, of course, the status of Manning.

"Whenever he's ready, he'll come back," Caldwell said. "He gets himself ready faster than most people."

Again, I would base the question of Manning's slow progress on the nature and severity of his injury, rather than on the non-availability of his favorite trainer.

When Manning is finally able to return to action, especially for regular season play.........look for every time Manning gets hit, Colts fans cringing and turning away with "anxiety," Caldwell popping Pepcid, and Irsay reaching for his nitroglycerin.

Corrosion
07-31-2011, 05:32 AM
I find it hard as hell to believe that the Dolts gave him a 5 year $90M deal .... are they freaking crazy ?!

CloakNNNdagger
07-31-2011, 09:08 AM
I find it hard as hell to believe that the Dolts gave him a 5 year $90M deal .... are they freaking crazy ?!

They have become desperate, not accepting of the possibility of a life after Peyton........and turning a blind eye to preparing for a future without him........case in point, their history of non-development of, and current acquisition of their back up QB.

Pantherstang84
07-31-2011, 10:44 AM
They have become desperate, not accepting of the possibility of a life after Peyton........and turning a blind eye to preparing for a future without him........case in point, their history of non-development of, and current acquisition of their back up QB.

It's a beautiful thing. Their days are numbered and the wheels are already starting to fall off with their aging players.

GuerillaBlack
07-31-2011, 11:08 AM
It's a beautiful thing. Their days are numbered and the wheels are already starting to fall off with their aging players.

While the Texans just left NTB and are well on their way to passing the Colts.

b0ng
07-31-2011, 11:42 AM
While the Texans just left NTB and are well on their way to passing the Colts.

How about we finish with a better record than them before we discuss how fast we are passing them up.

Giant Tiger
07-31-2011, 01:09 PM
They know they're not getting another Peyton Manning after he retires, makes sense to upgrade their OL before getting drafting a QB. They'll probably run more, too.

The Pencil Neck
07-31-2011, 01:29 PM
They know they're not getting another Peyton Manning after he retires, makes sense to upgrade their OL before getting drafting a QB. They'll probably run more, too.

Dude.

You must not know that they've signed Dan Orlovsky.

GlassHalfFull
07-31-2011, 01:38 PM
Dude.

You must not know that they've signed Dan Orlovsky.

:ahhaha:

GuerillaBlack
07-31-2011, 02:42 PM
How about we finish with a better record than them before we discuss how fast we are passing them up.

Can't agree more. Texans only look good on paper.

CloakNNNdagger
07-31-2011, 11:35 PM
Mods may consider merging this thread with the other Peyton thread.

CloakNNNdagger
08-02-2011, 12:20 AM
Colts QB may be in danger with pourous blocking (http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110801/SPORTS/110809995/1002)

Indianapolis Colts free agent left tackle Charlie Johnson signed with the Minnesota Vikings. Rookie left tackle Anthony Castonzo continues to hold out. Looks like Peyton Manning could soon become the national spokesman on the dangers of whiplash.

Licking my chops!

http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/26/2678/RHAUD00Z/posters/grall-don-lion-licking-his-chops.jpg

b0ng
08-03-2011, 12:44 PM
Colts fans that have attended camp have said without Costanzo or Diem practicing that the Oline looks about as bad as it's been since Peyton has been there.

Dutchrudder
08-03-2011, 12:49 PM
Colts fans that have attended camp have said without Costanzo or Diem practicing that the Oline looks about as bad as it's been since Peyton has been there.

Sounds like the perfect opportunity for Mario to get some confidence at OLB in week 1! :D

The Pencil Neck
08-03-2011, 01:03 PM
Sounds like the perfect opportunity for Mario to get some confidence at OLB in week 1! :D

We might find ourselves going up against Painter or Orlovsky that first game if that line looks bad enough.

Doppelganger
08-03-2011, 01:09 PM
I'll believe it when I see it. I fully expect Peyton to play like Peyton and for his line to do a good enough job on him.

I will wait until he starts throwing errant passes, takes a ton of hits, or folds like an accordion before I write-off the Colts.

b0ng
08-03-2011, 01:22 PM
We might find ourselves going up against Painter or Orlovsky that first game if that line looks bad enough.

The Colts braintrust will put Peyton out there no matter how good/bad the line looks. I swear to god if our CB/S department can cover the receivers for more than 2 seconds then we have a good shot at making life absolutely miserable for Manning.

Double Barrel
08-03-2011, 04:30 PM
Manning should just retire while he can still walk. :evil:

Texecutioner
08-03-2011, 04:37 PM
The Colts braintrust will put Peyton out there no matter how good/bad the line looks. I swear to god if our CB/S department can cover the receivers for more than 2 seconds then we have a good shot at making life absolutely miserable for Manning.

Manning looked a lot more regular last season any way. His WR's weren't as great as previous seasons and his O line wasn't blocking quite as well. With this injury thing and no other acquisitions I could definitely see the Colts drop off even more from last season along with Manning's play. Of course I wouldn't be surprised to seem them go back to a 12-4 type of season either though.

CloakNNNdagger
08-04-2011, 10:32 AM
Manning should just retire while he can still walk. :evil:


Dang........am I pumped about out opener now!!!!!!!!:pissed:

From Mike Chappell of the Indianapolis Star:

The Indianapolis Colts veteran quarterback was running and throwing on the Macholtz Stadium field late this afternoon. One person who saw Manning throwing said he was doing so with "decent velocity."

The Star's other Colts beat writer, Phil Wilson, went on the local ESPN affiliate in Indianapolis earlier today and said that he did not think Peyton would practice at all during training camp and the he would not play a snap in preseason. Wilson thinks that the first time Manning will take a snap from center in a game-like situation is in an actual game: Week One in Houston against the Texans.

Peyton Manning is on the P.U.P. list to start camp while he rehabs from neck surgery, which was conducted in May. This is the third surgery for Manning in four years, and his second neck-related surgery in two.link (http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/8/3/2342828/report-peyton-manning-is-throwing-at-colts-training-camp)

Double Barrel
08-04-2011, 12:43 PM
A hungry Texans defense with a new scheme is something that Manning has to look forward to. Hopefully he will have to play catch up all game, too. The Texans should have enough incentive for this game, and if they don't, shame on them for being soft as puppy poop.

I want Manning to feel his age in that game. I do not want to see him injured, but I do want to see our defense go after him with a relentless physical pounding that leaves him with the clear impression that our team is no longer his door mat. In short, I want him to dread the Houston Texans and Reliant Stadium.

CloakNNNdagger
08-18-2011, 01:57 PM
I'm beginning to be more convinced that something's not right. No matter what, the longer Manning goes without practicing with his team, the less likely you see him on September11 or you see a noticeably different Manning out there.

The wait for Peyton Manning continues for Colts (http://www.wsbt.com/sports/wxin-20110816-manning-update,0,4542985,print.column)
While not as hidden as he was back in 2008, the quarterback still remains without a snap during camp in Anderson

5:02 PM EDT, August 16, 2011


If Jim Caldwell is frustrated, he tries his very hardest not to show it.

Even if his answers may frustrate some media and fans.

"I don't complain about anything," said the Colts' head coach on Tuesday, understanding that doing so can sometimes make those on the outside unhappy.

Later Caldwell added: "My father never complained about a thing-and I've taken on his traits."

So perhaps that's why he remains calm as he must gives a very general but not specific update on the Colts' franchise player.

"What I can tell you is that he’s rehabbing extremely well and is coming along," said Caldwel of Peyton Manning, who remains on the sidelines still recovering from off season neck surgery. "The doctors have him on pace and they’ll make the determination at some point when he can get out doing something for us.”

Right now it hasn't been much. Watching a few practices and signing a few autographs for fans here and there during the first two weeks of training camp. Manning was also on the sidelines for the Colts first preseason game against the Rams last Saturday.

Once during camp, Manning held a closed workout in which a source told the Indianapolis Star that he was throwing with "decent velocity."

While this might seem secretive, its nothing compared to his 2008 training camp injury. When a infected bursa sac in his knee kept Manning out for all of training camp, he was never seen on the Rose Hulman campus or even on a practice field.

It wasn't until the team toured Lucas Oil Stadium that he emerged with a taped up knee and conducted a news conference soon after.

While it seems likely that Manning will be out for the next two practices, its not for lack of want on the quarterbacks part.

"If I said that missing training camp had no impact on that season, then that would be going against everything I believe about offseason work," said Manning when he arrived at camp on July 31st. "I do think football will have a toll taken on it, because there has been no offseason and no minicamps. When I get back to being healthy, I will give you as accurate a description as I can.

"It is hard for me to predict, because it is a different injury. I want to get back very soon, but I certainly have some work to do.”

Ryan
08-18-2011, 02:08 PM
Hopefully we're ready for Orlovsky on Sep 11th. :kitten:

jaayteetx
08-18-2011, 02:20 PM
Hopefully we're ready for Orlovsky on Sep 11th. :kitten:

Why does that thought actually scare me? Dan O would be extremely motivated and our history against back ups perhaps?

Dutchrudder
08-18-2011, 03:22 PM
I would love to see Dan O playing QB on Sept 11th. Our defense could use a 5th preseason game to get in gear.

Ole Miss Texan
08-18-2011, 03:33 PM
I know I can't say this because he's the enemy... but I really really like Peyton Manning and think he's a great person and player. I hope he fully recovers from this injury. But at the same time, I hope it takes him a while to get back to his normal self. Game 1 should be much easier for us and I'll take a win any how we can get it. This should really impact the Colts season and help our chances of winning the AFC South for the first time ever.

GP
08-18-2011, 03:45 PM
I would love to see Dan O playing QB on Sept 11th. Our defense could use a 5th preseason game to get in gear.

Yep.

Child Protective Services should be on the sidelines, prepared to remove certain Texans players from the facility if Dan is their starting QB.

Because a child will be getting his azz beaten out there, all day long.

They might as well direct-snap to the WRs and RBs if Dan is their starter.

Ole Miss Texan
08-18-2011, 04:09 PM
Texans win the coin toss and elect to kick off.

First play of the game: Dan Orlovsky runs out of the back of the endzone.

Texans 2
Colts 0

infantrycak
08-18-2011, 05:53 PM
I know I can't say this because he's the enemy... but I really really like Peyton Manning and think he's a great person and player. I hope he fully recovers from this injury. But at the same time, I hope it takes him a while to get back to his normal self. Game 1 should be much easier for us and I'll take a win any how we can get it. This should really impact the Colts season and help our chances of winning the AFC South for the first time ever.

Dude has to be respected and I suspect is a good guy to be around (other than OL sideline type issues). I do think he acts like a whiny ***** trying to get calls (when he already gets preferential treatment) from the officials.

Doppelganger
08-18-2011, 06:22 PM
I'm beginning to be more convinced that something's not right. No matter what, the longer Manning goes without practicing with his team, the less likely you see him on September11 or you see a noticeably different Manning out there.

He is still a great QB. Manning at 50% is still better than Painter or Orlovsky at 100%. I still think he starts the game. He has too much pride to allow himself to not start the season. Especially after losing to us to start the year last year.

I would not be surprised if all of this was a giant smokescreen to lull the Texans and the league into a fall sense of confidence.

CloakNNNdagger
08-20-2011, 12:53 PM
If I'm a Colts fan, I'm not feeling too secure just about now.

@JimIrsay Jim Irsay
We r evaluating the QB sitch,#18 healing but we got 2 b prepared 4 early season possibility without him,defense has 2 pick it up,big time!
58 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

ChampionTexan
08-20-2011, 12:56 PM
If I'm a Colts fan, I'm not feeling too secure just about now.

If I'm Curtis Painter and/or Dan Orlovsksy, I'm not feeling real secure either.

@JimIrsay Jim Irsay
Not taking Pryor...what VET QB would u vote 4 to sign that's out there? If sum1 has 2 hold the fort early season,who u going with?

XI CMURDER IX
08-20-2011, 02:41 PM
If I'm a Colts fan, I'm not feeling too secure just about now.

Dang, Irsay. A grammar nazi would absolutely despise him right now!

Doppelganger
08-20-2011, 03:59 PM
If I'm a Colts fan, I'm not feeling too secure just about now.

Again, it could be all smoke and mirrors to lull the Texans. We saw last year what happens when the Texans get too big of a head and don't hunker down and put in the work.

I will believe Manning is not playing when I see him in street clothes on the sidelines of Game 1.

CloakNNNdagger
08-20-2011, 04:42 PM
Again, it could be all smoke and mirrors to lull the Texans. We saw last year what happens when the Texans get too big of a head and don't hunker down and put in the work.

I will believe Manning is not playing when I see him in street clothes on the sidelines of Game 1.

With Manning's history of having undergone his second neck surgery in 15 months, I truly have a hard time trying to buy the "smoke and mirrors" angle. I don't see what advantage that would bring the Colts against the Texans. The Texans will prepare for Manning..........and be thrilled if they are "forced" to face his backups.

What happens if Peyton Manning can't play? (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/31436730)
Posted on: August 20, 2011 12:28 pm


If there isn’t panic these days in Indianapolis about the future of the Colts quarterback position, perhaps there should be. Peyton Manning, coming off neck surgery, hasn’t practiced yet, and though it’s too early to gnash your teeth about Manning’s newly-signed five-year, $90 million contract, Colts fans have to be worried about his long-term health.

Not to mention the long-term prospects of the rest of the Colts quarterbacks.

Curtis Painter, Manning’s long-time backup, still hasn’t proved he can be a starting QB in this league, and one of the few passes I saw Dan Orlovsky throw during Indianapolis’ putrid loss to the Redskins on Friday was a terribly underthrown ball that was intercepted by Washington.

And if you’re not concerned about it, Indianapolis Star's Bob Kravitz explains why you should be.

Writes Kravitz: “There are three weeks remaining before the regular season begins, and unless Manning is back within a week, it's fair to worry whether he'll be ready to roll when it counts. (If you're asking when Manning will return, here's the answer: I. Don't. Know. And I'm not sure Manning and the doctors know just yet, either.)"

This hasn’t ever really been an issue for Manning and the Colts. He’s been remarkably durable throughout his career, and the Colts have ridden his talent to nine-straight 10-win seasons and nine-straight playoff appearances. But does anyone think that, if Manning can’t play right away, Painter or Orlovsky can step in and play half as well? That the Colts could still compete for the AFC South title? Of course not.

Which leads Kravitz to question the Colts plan when it comes to backup quarterbacks. He talked to GM Chris Polian about it.

"You get into the philosophy of, 'Do you want an experienced guy who may not be able to stay healthy if he had to play more than a couple of games, or a young guy with talent who's got a chance to ascend?'” Polian asked. “Part of what makes the backup quarterback position unique is more than physical qualities: What's the guy's contribution going to be in the meeting room? What's his role going to be in practice? Is he OK with what his role is going to be?

"Traditionally, because of the way Peyton wants to prepare, the backup doesn't get much work outside of training camp. And that's fine; I'm not going to complain about the results. But when we've inquired about vets in the past, there have been some financial limitations. This is not the best, most appealing spot for a guy who says, 'If somebody gets hurt and I can play four games, I can play somewhere else next year.' This is more of a destination spot, so that's led us a little more to the younger guys."

Or as owner Jim Irsay, who says Terrelle Pryor isn’t an option, tweeted Saturday, “We r evaluating the QB sitch,#18 healing but we got 2 b prepared 4 early season possibility without him,defense has 2 pick it up,big time!”

If Manning can’t get healthy quickly, the Colts plan might need to change. And fast.

The reason that I'm not concerned with us being blind sided is because of something that is being overlooked. Since Manning is on active PUP now, if he is not activated week 1, he will need to be placed on reserve PUP, where he will be activated no sooner than week 7. Very important to keep in mind is that Peyton must be on active PUP in order to be considered for reserve PUP. If he tests the water in preseason, either in practice or in game situation, and things don't work out, he is NO LONGER ELLEGIBLE FOR EVEN RESERVE PUP........HIS SEASON IS OVER! Even if he becomes activated in a week or later during the preseason, the Colts will have no decent amount of time to anywhere close to "gel."

Texas T
08-21-2011, 08:05 PM
I just saw on NFL.com where Irsay tweeted that he is down in Mississippi looking for Farve...

Pantherstang84
08-21-2011, 08:49 PM
Until he is on the sideline Sept. 11, 2011 in street clothes, please plan on Peyton Manning starting the first game of the season. I don't buy any of the crap the media or the ponies are spinning.

gary
08-21-2011, 09:15 PM
I say beat the Colts and do it right by playing them at their very best. I hope he does play and I like him a lot too. I ignore his whining he is not the only one and most of it is just trying to get a call for his team.

Playoffs
08-21-2011, 10:34 PM
He'll start. May take him a few reps to get on track.

As someone else said, sweep the neck!

edo783
08-21-2011, 10:56 PM
He will play in the opener. Tony Dungy says that the consecutive games played is more important that any other stats to Payton. Plus there is some sort of rule that if he on PUP in camp and doesn't play the first one, he can't play til week 7 I think. Payton won't let that happen. May not play in game 2-6, but he will play in week one to avoid that issue.

GP
08-21-2011, 11:49 PM
I just saw on NFL.com where Irsay tweeted that he is down in Mississippi looking for Farve...

Unless Irsay isn't even in Hattiesburg, MS, since you can tweet and say "I'm on the moon!" and there's no way to prove you're not on the moon.

To me, it's more shenanigans by the Colts...they open up at Reliant (again) and will face a strengthened Texans defense that has like 11 sacks in two games already this preseason. Any advantage they can have, they'll take--Which means that tweet might be just a smoke signal meant to give the Texans false confidence.

HOWEVER...it could be true.

Here's the article reporting the so-called Irsay tweet. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp11/story/_/id/6883018/indianapolis-colts-owner-jim-irsay-tweets-brett-favre-hometown) It has a video with it, which is just a phone call where two analysts break down the situation.

HATTIESBURG, Miss. -- Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay posted on his Twitter account that he was in Brett Favre's hometown, but the quarterback's agent says he has not heard of any interest from the Colts.

The 41-year-old Favre retired in the offseason after a 20-year career and lives in Hattiesburg. Irsay sent a tweet on Sunday saying "Brad, I'm in Hattiesburg ... is it right or left at the Firechief?"

Through a spokesman, Colts' general manager Chris Polian declined comment on Irsay's tweet.

Though Favre has repeatedly said he's retired during the offseason, any Colts' interest would make some sense. Peyton Manning had neck surgery in May and hasn't played in the preseason, casting doubt on his 227 consecutive games streak.

That's a scary proposition for the Colts, who have little experience behind him.

Ryan
08-21-2011, 11:58 PM
He will play in the opener. Tony Dungy says that the consecutive games played is more important that any other stats to Payton. Plus there is some sort of rule that if he on PUP in camp and doesn't play the first one, he can't play til week 7 I think. Payton won't let that happen. May not play in game 2-6, but he will play in week one to avoid that issue.


Seems like a dumb thing to care about, and he's just gonna put his future even more in jeopardy by playing if he still truly is in pain.

GP
08-22-2011, 12:12 AM
He's going to run out of the tunnel halfway through the 2nd quarter, and rip off his neck brace like a 1980s WWF wrestler...and start whoopin' ass.

To me, the Colts are the sneakiest team out there (other than the Pats). They say one thing, and do another. Mind games.

Hell, the whole Irsay tweet was probably Manning's idea to begin with. "Just do it, Jim. The Texans fans will eat that shit up. Watch 'em guzzle it down. It's gonna' be hilarious. Do it. Hit send. Atta' boy. Now watch the circus. Watch them clap for the bearded lady, Jim. Look at those idiots. Dumbasses."

I don't like snakes. I don't like the Colts. Snakes and colts = bad mojo.

The Pencil Neck
08-22-2011, 11:25 AM
He's going to run out of the tunnel halfway through the 2nd quarter, and rip off his neck brace like a 1980s WWF wrestler...and start whoopin' ass.

To me, the Colts are the sneakiest team out there (other than the Pats). They say one thing, and do another. Mind games.

Hell, the whole Irsay tweet was probably Manning's idea to begin with. "Just do it, Jim. The Texans fans will eat that shit up. Watch 'em guzzle it down. It's gonna' be hilarious. Do it. Hit send. Atta' boy. Now watch the circus. Watch them clap for the bearded lady, Jim. Look at those idiots. Dumbasses."

I don't like snakes. I don't like the Colts. Snakes and colts = bad mojo.

To me, that's what a front office and a coaching staff are supposed to do. People on this board get irritated with Smithiak when they do it but that's what professional teams are supposed to do. There's not supposed to be "transparency" into NFL front offices and their operations or coaching decisions.

gtexan02
08-22-2011, 11:30 AM
"Just win baby"

If that means Peyton has to sit the sidelines, so be it. If we do better with him in the game, then let him play injured.

The Texans have the unusual ability to give backup QBs HOF footage.

I don't want us to get cocky regardless of who is out there. Even DanO

The Pencil Neck
08-22-2011, 12:00 PM
"Just win baby"

If that means Peyton has to sit the sidelines, so be it. If we do better with him in the game, then let him play injured.

The Texans have the unusual ability to give backup QBs HOF footage.

I don't want us to get cocky regardless of who is out there. Even DanO

^^^^ This.

El Tejano
08-22-2011, 02:05 PM
He'll start. May take him a few reps to get on track.

As someone else said, sweep the neck!

That would be me!:fans:

Double Barrel
08-22-2011, 03:44 PM
"Just win baby"

If that means Peyton has to sit the sidelines, so be it. If we do better with him in the game, then let him play injured.

The Texans have the unusual ability to give backup QBs HOF footage.

I don't want us to get cocky regardless of who is out there. Even DanO

I agree completely. The ONLY thing that matters in this league is scoreboard. There are no asterisks by your wins that Manning wasn't playing.

GP
08-22-2011, 04:40 PM
To me, that's what a front office and a coaching staff are supposed to do. People on this board get irritated with Smithiak when they do it but that's what professional teams are supposed to do. There's not supposed to be "transparency" into NFL front offices and their operations or coaching decisions.

Completely agree.

My statement was meant to let people know that the Colts are duplicitous and can't be trusted. Their QB, for crying out loud, chews out the asses of his o-linemen when their drive stalls in the last minute of a game that they're already leading 35 to 7. LOL.

Cut throat organization, and I'm not criticizing it. I'm merely saying I won't be caught with my pants around my ankles on this "report" about Manning when he ends up running from the Reliant stadium tunnel during the 2nd quarter, ripping off his neck brace and hitting Kubiak in the back of the head with a roll of quarters balled up in his fist.

These guys are the 4 Horsemen of the NFL, IMO. They will bury you if you let your guard down. It's time for us to go Dusty Rhodes and Terry Funk on their asses.

CloakNNNdagger
08-23-2011, 07:57 AM
My opinion of Manning's injury and its effect on his status is not changed.


From the INDYSTAR:
Amid the uncertainty regarding quarterback Peyton Manning's availability for the Indianapolis Colts' Sept. 11 regular-season opener at Houston, Tony Dungy offered a voice of experience.

"Unless he's dead, he'll be under center opening day," the former Colts coach said Sunday night during NBC's "Football Night in America."

It's doubtful Dungy's assessment from afar eased the concerns of all Colts fans. The team returned to the practice field Monday and Manning, still on the mend from May 23 neck surgery, remained on the physically unable to perform list.

Over the weekend, Manning basically ruled himself out of the final two preseason games and emphasized he still has work to do before being cleared by team physicians.

"When I'm healthy enough," he said, "I'll be able to play."

Pro Bowl center Jeff Saturday was adamant during training camp that he expects Manning to be ready for the Texans.

Players seemed to mirror Saturday's confidence Monday but stopped short of going on record that Manning will extend his streak of 227 consecutive starts, 208 in the regular season.

"Once he's ready," wide receiver Anthony Gonzalez said, "he'll be out there and we'll obviously be a better team."

Owner Jim Irsay said over the weekend the team is evaluating the quarterback situation, including whether a veteran free-agent should be signed. Neither backup Curtis Painter nor veteran pickup Dan Orlovsky has done anything in preseason losses to St. Louis and Washington to ease concerns he could handle the offense in the short term if Manning's rehabilitation spills into the regular season.

No veteran free agent had been added to the roster by late Monday. That might be an indication that privately the team is confident Manning will be ready for the opener, or that a targeted free agent wasn't interested in being an insurance policy.

If Manning is able to extend the NFL's longest active streak for consecutive starts, the concern will be how long it takes him to get up to speed. Irsay said the league's only four-time MVP "had a really good workout" Saturday and was "making progress throwing the ball," but it's uncertain how much work he has had with receivers.

Manning missed the 2008 preseason after surgery to repair an infected bursa in his left knee. He practiced for the first time the week before the regular-season opener against the Chicago Bears, and the extended inactivity resulted in uncharacteristically uneven play.

As the Colts got off to a 3-4 start, Manning completed 61.1 percent of his passes with 10 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He then hit his stride, leading the team on a nine-game winning streak to end the season. He won the third of four MVP awards by completing 72.1 percent of his passes with 17 touchdowns and three interceptions over the final nine games.

General manager Chris Polian conceded any missed practice time is detrimental.

"There's an impact for any player when you miss time," he said recently. "We have to understand the timing is going to be an issue. You look back to when he missed time with the knee, you saw it was a work in progress over the course of the season."

During his rehab, Manning has been in meetings. During the lockout and prior to his neck surgery, he gathered his receivers for workouts.

"One thing we always lean on, and the same will be true this year, is we generally have really good offseasons with Peyton and the receivers getting together," Gonzalez said. "With the lockout, we had a lot more freedom. I feel like we got to throw just as much, maybe more than we ever have.

"Rhythm-wise, that's what you fall back on when things come up."link (http://www.indystar.com/article/20110823/SPORTS03/108230338/Colts-seem-no-hurry-add-veteran-fill-quarterback?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|p)

gtexan02
08-23-2011, 08:26 AM
If I'm remembering correctly, aren't we the team that, despite poor pass rush, has sacked Manning most? I wonder how our aggressive preseason sack campaign plays into his decision, if at all

CloakNNNdagger
08-23-2011, 08:36 AM
If I'm remembering correctly, aren't we the team that, despite poor pass rush, has sacked Manning most? I wonder how our aggressive preseason sack campaign plays into his decision, if at all

If his ego doesn't get in his way like it did with Favre, it will.

CloakNNNdagger
08-25-2011, 01:21 PM
It has been reported that Manning had a compression of the C7 nerve root level. This nerve root controls the movement and the strength of the finger flexors, and the wrist flexors and the elbow extender. How do you throw a football if your hand can’t grip, your wrist can’t flex and your elbow can’t extend efficiently. You can compensate and throw a football with a bum biceps ala Favre. But you aren’t ever going to look much better than a Pop Warner QB, with a bum triceps.

Double Barrel
08-25-2011, 01:25 PM
It has been reported that Manning had a compression of the C7 nerve root level. This nerve root controls the movement and the strength of the finger flexors, and the wrist flexors and the elbow extender. How do you throw a football if your hand can’t grip, your wrist can’t flex and your elbow can’t extend efficiently. You can compensate and throw a football with a bum biceps ala Favre. But you aren’t ever going to look much better than a Pop Warner QB, with a bum triceps.

To a layman like myself, it sounds like this situation has the potential to be a lot worse than is currently being reported.

What was the difference between the two neck surgeries? And what are the implications of being hit with the force that defenders are going to normally go after him as it relates to this injury / surgery?

Blake
08-25-2011, 01:30 PM
Fantasy owners want to know. Will Manning be back? When, and will he get back to his old form?

Doppelganger
08-25-2011, 01:31 PM
It has been reported that Manning had a compression of the C7 nerve root level. This nerve root controls the movement and the strength of the finger flexors, and the wrist flexors and the elbow extender. How do you throw a football if your hand can’t grip, your wrist can’t flex and your elbow can’t extend efficiently. You can compensate and throw a football with a bum biceps ala Favre. But you aren’t ever going to look much better than a Pop Warner QB, with a bum triceps.

If that report is accurate, it could mean is worse than a lot of us expect. Then again, I wouldn't put it past Manning and Indy to float out inaccurate reports. He could train secretly and get back into football shape by himself. COme opening day he puts on his uniform, slings a td to Wayne on the first play, and takes the wind out of the Texans sails.

He may well be hurt, but I won't believe it until I see him standing in street clothes on the sidelines of Game 1.

MightyTExan
08-25-2011, 01:42 PM
I predict PM will be put on reserve PUP (thx for the info AJ)

http://www.examiner.com/houston-texans-in-houston/clarifying-nfl-rules-on-the-physically-unable-to-perform-pup-list-1

At the end of preseason, if an Active PUP player is still several weeks away from being able to play, the team may place him on Reserve PUP.

Reserve PUP players are not eligible to play for the first six weeks of the season.
Reserve PUP players do not count against the 53 man roster.
Reserve PUP players have a three week window after Week 6 to practice with the team but a roster decision must be made, either to activate to the 53 or to IR the player, within that timeframe.

CloakNNNdagger
11-03-2011, 04:52 PM
As I've posted before, by delaying his surgery(ies) and leaving the cervical nerves compressed for a prolonged amount of time, the predictability following his 3rd surgery (cervical fusion) has been lessened as to how much nerve regeneration and thus function will ultimately return and how long it will actually take for what does return.


Peyton Manning says his neck still hasn’t healed (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/03/peyton-manning-says-his-neck-still-hasnt-healed/)
November 3, 2011, 1:27 PM EDT

Colts quarterback Peyton Manning already has missed eight games after a pair of neck surgeries. It’s still unknown whether he’ll miss eight more. Or even more than that.

Manning made on Tuesday an unexpected appearance in the team’s locker room. And he said he’s got more healing to do before he can practice or play.

“We’re still waiting for the fusion to take place, it’s still going slow and we still have some issues with the regeneration of the nerve,” Manning said, according to the Associated Press. “I still have some restrictions.”

Characterized as “more serious” in his demeanor than Manning was during his last visit with reporters, Manning opted not to talk about his future or the possibility that the Colts will draft Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck. “Those are all fair questions, but that’s not what I’m going to talk about right now,” Manning said. “I’m thinking about how can I get a little better? [The contract] is really a one-year deal with a four-year extension and that was my recommendation because I wasn’t healthy when I signed the contract.”

He’s right, but the Colts need to decide by early March whether to kick in the four-year extension by picking up a $28 million option bonus. On Manning’s current timeline, the Colts may not be able to make the decision without watching Manning throw, because he may not be able to throw before the 2011 season ends.

Of course, Manning could choose to throw for the team privately, before the 2012 offseason program begins. Or he could choose not to, which would force the team to make a big decision with incomplete information.

Likewise, he could choose to delay until April, May, or beyond the trigger for the $28 million payment. Or he could choose not to, forcing the team to decide whether to cut him, trade him, or pay him.

There will be many unanswered questions as it relates to Manning’s playing career, and based on his comments from Thursday the chance he’ll never play again can’t be completely disregarded. There’s no pill or exercise for regenerating nerves. If it doesn’t happen for Manning, he won’t be able to throw the ball like used to be able to throw the ball.

Here’s hoping that the healing happens. All-time great quarterbacks should be able to leave the game on their own terms.

welsh texan
11-03-2011, 07:11 PM
As I've posted before, by delaying his surgery(ies) and leaving the cervical nerves compressed for a prolonged amount of time, the predictability following his 3rd surgery (cervical fusion) has been lessened as to how much nerve regeneration and thus function will ultimately return and how long it will actually take for what does return.


Peyton Manning says his neck still hasn’t healed (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/03/peyton-manning-says-his-neck-still-hasnt-healed/)
November 3, 2011, 1:27 PM EDT

As good as all this is for the Texans' chances of making the playoffs this season, and possibly over the next few seasons, I'm a little upset over the possibility that such a great player, one of the best of all time, and as far as I can tell a class act off the field as well, might lose his career in such a way.

Is the lockout partly to blame for all these problems he's facing? Surely he'd have stood a better chance had the Colts' medical staff been able to help advise him early on?

CloakNNNdagger
11-03-2011, 08:10 PM
As good as all this is for the Texans' chances of making the playoffs this season, and possibly over the next few seasons, I'm a little upset over the possibility that such a great player, one of the best of all time, and as far as I can tell a class act off the field as well, might lose his career in such a way.

Is the lockout partly to blame for all these problems he's facing? Surely he'd have stood a better chance had the Colts' medical staff been able to help advise him early on?

I agree that if he doesn't make it back, it is a sad outcome.

He still had access to some of the best rehab therapists and surgeons in the country. He CHOSE to do his own rehab during the offseason because he said he didn't feel comfortable with anyone other than his own team rehab person. Then he chose another minimal procedure, one similar to the procedure that did not solve his problem when he had it the year before. That was all time lost to continued compression of the nerve. So it certainly can be said that he strongly contributed to his problem extending.

GP
11-04-2011, 07:15 PM
NFLN last night said that the Colts will likely NOT I.R. him because then he can't practice...and they want him to practice so they can see how the recovery is going for him.

If I were the owner, I'd want us to tank every game and get Andrew Luck. Not because Luck is a god. Because he's the closest thing available to what they had in #18. Painter will play, and Painter will get jobbed. It is what it is.

IMO, #18 doesn't return this season. And I also expect him to retire and say "My health for me, and for family, is most important." He'll be either a Colts QB coach for Luck or a TV commentator.

He'll find new ways to be an impact on NFL.

welsh texan
11-06-2011, 10:43 AM
NFLN last night said that the Colts will likely NOT I.R. him because then he can't practice...and they want him to practice so they can see how the recovery is going for him.

If I were the owner, I'd want us to tank every game and get Andrew Luck. Not because Luck is a god. Because he's the closest thing available to what they had in #18. Painter will play, and Painter will get jobbed. It is what it is.

IMO, #18 doesn't return this season. And I also expect him to retire and say "My health for me, and for family, is most important." He'll be either a Colts QB coach for Luck or a TV commentator.

He'll find new ways to be an impact on NFL.

With their coaching having been horribly exposed this season (finally) who's to say he won't end up as O-Coord there? He's practically done that job himself for years anyway.

That said, i don't see Peyton as the type of guy who is sensible enough to put his health before his career, the dude is a true football person and I can't see him taking the sensible decision especially if he feels he hasn't been able to finish it on his terms.