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Texecutioner
05-23-2011, 12:53 PM
For all the craziness that is associated with Ray Lewis(notes), the man sure does seem to speak the truth on big issues. The latest one? How the lockout might affect our society as a whole, and what it might do to the nation's crime rate.

No, he isn't just talking about the players. Ray thinks if the lockout continues and there is no NFL season, crime will increase because people will be so distraught without one of their favorite pastimes.

This all came out from his ESPN interview, and here was exactly what Ray said.

"Do this research if we don't have a season -- watch how much evil, which we call crime, watch how much crime picks up, if you take away our game. [...]

"There's too many people that live through us, people live through us," he said. "Yeah, walk in the streets, the way I walk the streets, and I'm not talking about the people you see all the time."

The man has a point. Football fans will have to find other things to do without their favorite game being played if the NFL does decide to go with this lockout, and Lewis is just pointing out facts about this. If any sport or big event was dumped, it would force people to look for other things to do, and I think that's the point Lewis is making here.

Just add it to the growing list of reasons why the NFL lockout would be a bad thing.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Ray-Lewis-thinks-crime-will-increase-if-NFL-has-?urn=nfl-wp2110



I'm a big fan of Ray Lewis, but this is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard out of an NFL athlete. :kubepalm:

So crime is going to sky rocket because there is no football and people live through these players?? Really Ray? Maybe to some low life thug who has nothing better to think of if football isn't around, but to any normal decent human being that lives and breathes air, they find other things to do other than to go rob someone or commit violence towards someone on their Sundays. Does crime sky rocket when football season ends and it's just the NBA and the MLB? What do all of the low lives who can't think of anything better to do than?? Did Ray forget that there will still be college football going on that these folks he is so worried about can watch?? Sometimes these athletes just need to learn to let lawyers or their publicists speak for them, because far to many times on either twitter or somewhere else these guys come off as completely delusional to what regular folks think and understand and interpret things as.

HoustonFrog
05-23-2011, 12:58 PM
There is one thing he is saying that I think is true. Many players support themselves, their wives, their kids and then their immediate family and even non-immediate family members ....and friends. Basically people are used to their handouts and gravy train off of them. So from the outer circles of this group...I can see them desperate for their usually money when the players are getting paid. Not sure this leads to crime but there are alot of people on the periphery that depend on these folks.

Texan JBZ
05-23-2011, 12:59 PM
I think this has some validity to it. You have to remember Texecutioner, we live in Houston where it's 70 degrees in December. In the NFL football crazed Northeast, football is a big part of their livelihood because it's too damn cold to do anything else. Colin Cowherd talks about this fact all the time on his show.

HJam72
05-23-2011, 01:07 PM
Even if this were totally true, the owners will not care. They might hire more body-guards, but they won't care.

The1ApplePie
05-23-2011, 01:27 PM
Ray Ray does know a thing or two about crime.:kitten:

Second Honeymoon
05-23-2011, 01:40 PM
Ray is one of my favorite players of all time, and he has gone a long way towards being a better person and helping those in need.

That being said, this is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

Texecutioner
05-23-2011, 01:42 PM
I think this has some validity to it. You have to remember Texecutioner, we live in Houston where it's 70 degrees in December. In the NFL football crazed Northeast, football is a big part of their livelihood because it's too damn cold to do anything else. Colin Cowherd talks about this fact all the time on his show.

You've got to be kidding me. If no more football means that the next thing you think of is crime, well than you're a low life that should be in jail.

Show me a report somewhere that shows all of the crime statistics going up higher when the NFL season ends as well, because I've never seen any crime spike just because the NFL season is ending. Hell, the NFL season only lasts like 4 to 5 months any way.

The whole idea of this is just asinine unless we're talking about low lives that need to be locked up. The next thought in my mind has never turned into crime just because the Texans are on a bye week and I can't watch them, and if I was some dead beat who just depended on my cousin who was in the NFL, well then it would probably be a good thing that he wasn't supporting my lazy ass then, because no NFL player should be shelling out all of this money for people to live on unless it's their immediate family. If that's the case, then that is the exact kind of player that doesn't deserve any extra money out of this lockout issue who they foolishly throw it around on their dead beats in their family who are leaches. None of this should resort to crime either way.

Hervoyel
05-23-2011, 01:49 PM
"Ray Lewis thinks crime will increase with no NFL season"

Was Ray making a threat?

disaacks3
05-23-2011, 01:57 PM
"Ray Lewis thinks crime will increase with no NFL season"

Was Ray making a threat?

That was my first thought as well. :spit:

Carr Bombed
05-23-2011, 02:11 PM
I'm sorry, but Ray Lewis is absolutely off his rocker and this has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. If anything I can only see where the crime rate will go down with no football. Ray Lewis needs to be careful, because if they really did the study that he's talking about, it might collectively blow up in his face. For Christ's sake, how many alcohol incidents alone are directly tied to football events? LMAO, we didn't get our tailgating revoked, because Cowboy and Texan fans were singing kumbaya in the parking lot. :rolleyes: I'm sorry, I like Ray.....but he comes off as a complete jackass here.

CretorFrigg
05-23-2011, 04:04 PM
Take it from Ray. He knows what crime is.

CloakNNNdagger
05-23-2011, 04:06 PM
When it's real cold outdoors, pregnancy rates go up. Likewise, I'd be more worried about the pregnancy rates generated by all the bored couples not having football to take up all of their "lonely" Sundays and Sunday nites.:kitten:

GP
05-23-2011, 04:08 PM
I think crime rates will actually go down.

I mean, Sundays at Reliant stadium there's 52 Texans receiving a beating and thousands of fans being anally raped at the gates.

:thankyaverymuch:

Carr Bombed
05-23-2011, 04:13 PM
i think crime rates will actually go down.

I mean, sundays at reliant stadium there's 52 texans receiving a beating and thousands of fans being anally raped at the gates.

:thankyaverymuch:

LOL :) ZING! (Don't forget about the constant robberies at the concession stands)

Rey
05-23-2011, 05:40 PM
I can't call him totally crazy...

I actually don't know how it will affect society.

There are other things at play other than "people will be bored, and therefore turn to crime"...

Football is a billion dollar industry. Not only are the players and owners losing money, but people who sell things football related are losing money. NFL football isn't just a Sunday activity either...

Im not a sociologist or whatever, but I think that some people will miss the money that is generated by NFL football. I don't know whether or not people's weekend patterns will have an effect on crime either...These are just things I don't know...

I think Ray is probably overstating the effect of no football season, but I don't think he's gone completely crazy.

Carr Bombed
05-23-2011, 05:45 PM
I can't call him totally crazy...

I actually don't know how it will affect society.

There are other things at play other than "people will be bored, and therefore turn to crime"...

Football is a billion dollar industry. Not only are the players and owners losing money, but people who sell things football related are losing money. NFL football isn't just a Sunday activity either...

Im not a sociologist or whatever, but I think that some people will miss the money that is generated by NFL football. I don't know whether or not people's weekend patterns will have an effect on crime either...These are just things I don't know...

I think Ray is probably overstating the effect of no football season, but I don't think he's gone completely crazy.

He's not talking about people who are losing money without football or people that may become desperate if the loss of football effects their business or cash flow. (and any smart business person worth their meddle could see this lockout coming down the pipe line for years and should've prepared for it)

He's talking about people who he thinks live through him on Sundays, becoming bored and committing crime. Sorry, but that is off the reservation certified crazy. Ray needs to pump the brakes a little, I know he thinks it is...but what he does isn't that important to the rest of society.

Rey
05-23-2011, 06:19 PM
He's talking about people who he thinks live through him on Sundays, becoming bored and committing crime. Sorry, but that is off the reservation certified crazy. Ray needs to pump the brakes a little, I know he thinks it is...but what he does isn't that important to the rest of society.

Ok, well glad to know your viewpoint but that's not how I interpreted it.

I heard him talking about people living through him, but I didn't see it as him saying that regular folks who enjoy NFL football are going to lose their minds and start committing crimes because their team is not playing.

I took him saying that as trying to deepen the impact of what he was saying and trying to demonstrate how deeply football is woven into our culture. Basically something that is such a big part of society is going to have an affect on it.

Again, I think that he was a bit too dramatic about it, but I don't think that he is completely off the reservation saying that crime will increase.

I will also say this again, I do not know and I really don't have the info that I think I would need to make an assumption about that. But I do think it's possible that crime may increase as an indirect consequence...

Just like crime picks up when it's hot outside...Or so I have heard...

Carr Bombed
05-23-2011, 06:36 PM
Ok, well glad to know your viewpoint but that's not how I interpreted it.

I heard him talking about people living through him, but I didn't see it as him saying that regular folks who enjoy NFL football are going to lose their minds and start committing crimes because their team is not playing.

I took him saying that as trying to deepen the impact of what he was saying and trying to demonstrate how deeply football is woven into our culture. Basically something that is such a big part of society is going to have an affect on it.

Again, I think that he was a bit too dramatic about it, but I don't think that he is completely off the reservation saying that crime will increase.

I will also say this again, I do not know and I really don't have the info that I think I would need to make an assumption about that. But I do think it's possible that crime may increase as an indirect consequence...

Just like crime picks up when it's hot outside...Or so I have heard...

I never said he said "regular folks" are going to commit crime? Obviously regular folks wouldn't do something like that.

His comments are stupid, because even if there are some crimes that occur if the lockout continues.. It wouldn't offset the crimes that occur, because of the football season. Thus there is no way in hell the crime rate is going to "increase" like he's implying.

Let's see the average football stadium has roughly 60,000 seats (just guessing here) and a 10 game home schedule. That's about 19.2 million people who transit into inner cities every year, just because of football (who knows how many more who just tailgate). Yep, that has no negative impacts on crime rate. :spit: And a good % of those people are drinking alcohol.

Carr Bombed
05-23-2011, 06:48 PM
:rolleyes: Gee I wonder what all of these people would've done that Sunday if there was a lockout. TAKE YOUR PICK (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nfl+fan+fights&aq=f)

:) this one is my favorite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WARUjUOl6tc

And that are just the incidents caught on camera....god knows how many weren't

Double Barrel
05-23-2011, 06:51 PM
I was planning on doing a little pillaging with the family on Sunday afternoons if football doesn't happen. So maybe Ray has a point... :pirate:

Carr Bombed
05-23-2011, 07:03 PM
i was planning on doing a little pillaging with the family on sunday afternoons if football doesn't happen. So maybe ray has a point... :pirate:

lmao! :)

Dread-Head
05-23-2011, 07:17 PM
Wasn't he an accessory to MURDER? :thinking:

gg no re
05-23-2011, 09:01 PM
My friend developed this thought to support Ray's assertion:

He ain't lyin tho

if the nba and nfl lockout, it will crash the entire entourage based economy and the key parts of the baby mama industrial complex. Not to mention the sub prime groupie market. chrysler 300 interest rates will rise and lace-front sales will plummet.

basic economics, ray ray knows this hah

Rey
05-23-2011, 10:46 PM
I never said he said "regular folks" are going to commit crime? Obviously regular folks wouldn't do something like that.

His comments are stupid, because even if there are some crimes that occur if the lockout continues.. It wouldn't offset the crimes that occur, because of the football season. Thus there is no way in hell the crime rate is going to "increase" like he's implying.

Let's see the average football stadium has roughly 60,000 seats (just guessing here) and a 10 game home schedule. That's about 19.2 million people who transit into inner cities every year, just because of football (who knows how many more who just tailgate). Yep, that has no negative impacts on crime rate. :spit: And a good % of those people are drinking alcohol.

Again, I don't think we interpreted his comments the same way.

I do think that there will be some people hurting if football is not played. And once again, I nor you, nor Ray Lewis knows how folks will react to not having those dollars flowing around.

gary
05-23-2011, 10:55 PM
I think overall it was just a bad comment that should not have been made but let's just move on including Ray not having football does suck though.

Texan JBZ
05-24-2011, 04:48 AM
I think y'all are missing the overall point of his statement. To me, it's the whole "an idol mind is the devil's playground" thing. For instance, and I'm trying to correlate this - I had teammates that were model citizens during the football season because they had something to take up their time and attention. Once football season ended is when the problems started, and not just for them. Alcohol related incidents actually seemed to increase for regular students during the spring semesters of college. We can't just base how we view things based on how Houston is. Houston is a warm weather city, it's close to the water, it's close to the hill country, etc. What I'm getting at is that their are lots of other things to do in a place like Houston without the NFL going on. What are people going to do in places like Green Bay and Baltimore in November without the NFL? I'm not particularly saying that crime is going to go up, but I'm not going to dismiss it either. When people are bored with nothing to do to distract them away from their miserable existences, they tend to do bad things. And football crazed cities like Baltimore, Philadelphia, and DC are very tough places. I just think that y'all are thinking in terms of how Houston is. It'll be interesting to see if there actually is no NFL season what the societal effects will be.

gg no re
05-24-2011, 09:20 AM
Ray ray was onto something:

http://www.suntimes.com/5530394-417/bears-garrett-wolfe-arrested-in-miami-beach.html

Ryan
05-24-2011, 11:10 AM
I think it is the case for players, as nothing constructive will be happening for them.

gary
05-24-2011, 01:48 PM
At least there will be college football but that just does not start soon enough nor is it the same for some people.

Texecutioner
05-24-2011, 02:16 PM
I think y'all are missing the overall point of his statement. To me, it's the whole "an idol mind is the devil's playground" thing. For instance, and I'm trying to correlate this - I had teammates that were model citizens during the football season because they had something to take up their time and attention. Once football season ended is when the problems started, and not just for them. Alcohol related incidents actually seemed to increase for regular students during the spring semesters of college. We can't just base how we view things based on how Houston is. Houston is a warm weather city, it's close to the water, it's close to the hill country, etc. What I'm getting at is that their are lots of other things to do in a place like Houston without the NFL going on. What are people going to do in places like Green Bay and Baltimore in November without the NFL?

I dunno, maybe the same stuff they do the rest of the year when football isn't around. They can hunt, they can fish, they can spend more time with their families. They can work more hours at their jobs or spend that extra time finding a job maybe. They can go play football themselves for fun with friends, go to the gym. They have a Million things to do. This idea that people will have nothing to fill a void in their lives with is just asinine. If football goes away for me, that sucks, but I'll be just fine and I'll find other ways to enjoy myself. I lost the MLB and then I lost the NBA and I've been just fine and I enjoy my life even better without the stress and nonsense that goes with it. If crime is the next thing that comes to your mind because you can't watch a football game, then you need to be locked up.

I'm not particularly saying that crime is going to go up, but I'm not going to dismiss it either. When people are bored with nothing to do to distract them away from their miserable existences, they tend to do bad things.

How is there nothing to do?? The only people that think of crime as a next resort are criminals. I got news for you, the NFL isn't keeping any criminals out of jail or from doing crime unless you're talking about guys like Pac Man Jones or Lawrence Phillips who play in the NFL. It isn't keeping fans out of jail and it has no bearing when the NFL season is only like 4 months out of 12.



And football crazed cities like Baltimore, Philadelphia, and DC are very tough places. I just think that y'all are thinking in terms of how Houston is. It'll be interesting to see if there actually is no NFL season what the societal effects will be.

Those cities are full of crime with or without football and so is Houston. And there will be no societal effects without football as far as crime goes other than some of the NFL players who already do a ton of crime as it is so that wouldn't be any different than it is now either. And those kinds of players really don't deserve to be in the NFL if they're grown men and crime is their only other alternative at the age of an adult just because football is gone for the NFL. If they're not willing to work a regular job like the rest of us, then hopefully they get locked up if they're committing crimes as a result of that. The way you're rationalizing this is incredible.

Texecutioner
05-24-2011, 02:19 PM
Ray ray was onto something:

http://www.suntimes.com/5530394-417/bears-garrett-wolfe-arrested-in-miami-beach.html

Oh yeah, the NFL hasn't been filled with thugs for the last 15 years. The amount of arrests in this off season is no different than what it has been in plenty of previous seasons and at this point they haven't missed any extra time any way so what the hell are you talking about?

Texan JBZ
05-24-2011, 03:16 PM
I dunno, maybe the same stuff they do the rest of the year when football isn't around. They can hunt, they can fish, they can spend more time with their families. They can work more hours at their jobs or spend that extra time finding a job maybe. They can go play football themselves for fun with friends, go to the gym. They have a Million things to do. This idea that people will have nothing to fill a void in their lives with is just asinine. If football goes away for me, that sucks, but I'll be just fine and I'll find other ways to enjoy myself. I lost the MLB and then I lost the NBA and I've been just fine and I enjoy my life even better without the stress and nonsense that goes with it. If crime is the next thing that comes to your mind because you can't watch a football game, then you need to be locked up.



How is there nothing to do?? The only people that think of crime as a next resort are criminals. I got news for you, the NFL isn't keeping any criminals out of jail or from doing crime unless you're talking about guys like Pac Man Jones or Lawrence Phillips who play in the NFL. It isn't keeping fans out of jail and it has no bearing when the NFL season is only like 4 months out of 12.





Those cities are full of crime with or without football and so is Houston. And there will be no societal effects without football as far as crime goes other than some of the NFL players who already do a ton of crime as it is so that wouldn't be any different than it is now either. And those kinds of players really don't deserve to be in the NFL if they're grown men and crime is their only other alternative at the age of an adult just because football is gone for the NFL. If they're not willing to work a regular job like the rest of us, then hopefully they get locked up if they're committing crimes as a result of that. The way you're rationalizing this is incredible.

I like how you try to put yourself out there as the smartest guy ever born. I guess your doctorate in sociology explains why you know people so well, huh?:rolleyes: They can hunt and fish in Chicago in October? They can hunt and fish in Minneapolis in November? They can hunt and fish in Indy in December? They sure can buddy. Oh, wait, they can work more hours at work! Yeah, that's the key. Yeah, work, in the unemployment riddled North where if they are able to find work, it is probably restricted to 40 hours and no OT like my current job. Or, they can go play football in single digit degree weather in Cleveland and Buffalo! Wow, you're full of novel ideas to keep people busy aren't ya?!? I should and could go on to disprove some of things you're saying, but it would be a waste of time.

Texecutioner
05-24-2011, 03:55 PM
I like how you try to put yourself out there as the smartest guy ever born. I guess your doctorate in sociology explains why you know people so well, huh?:rolleyes: They can hunt and fish in Chicago in October? They can hunt and fish in Minneapolis in November? They can hunt and fish in Indy in December? They sure can buddy. Oh, wait, they can work more hours at work! Yeah, that's the key. Yeah, work, in the unemployment riddled North where if they are able to find work, it is probably restricted to 40 hours and no OT like my current job. Or, they can go play football in single digit degree weather in Cleveland and Buffalo! Wow, you're full of novel ideas to keep people busy aren't ya?!? I should and could go on to disprove some of things you're saying, but it would be a waste of time.



I gave you answers that are common sense for any decent human being who wants to get along in our society. I didn't have to waste any time thinking of what geographic area people are in, because none of that matters. I listed just a few common examples of what peaceful people do for regular activities almost anywhere. You can find things to do wherever you are, and any argument against that is just rationalizing crime and criminal behavior. You've done that before in here, so it wouldn't surprise me, but it's not going to fly here as normal to any rational person. Football doesn't stop someone from doing crime if they're going to go break into someone's car or house. If that's someone's mentality, then they're a criminal by nature and they're going to do it after they watch a game or before they watch a game. I'm still waiting for your genius answer as to why our country doesn't fall apart due to so much crime when the season ends and there is no football, but yet you have shown me nothing to support that.

The only people that aren't employed by an NFL team that are possibly majorly affected are football fans like the Joe Texan types that are highly involved in tailgating communities annually and promote their teams all around the country simply out of love for the sport and for their franchise. Joe travels all around the country for the Texans and is a major participant in recruiting businesses for tailgating and stuff like that. I can understand Joe's life being effected a lot and it having a major impact since his lifestyle outside of work has everything to do with the Texans and the NFL to where he's got a HOF plaque and makes appearances as "Joe Texan the Super fan." And even with that being the case for a dedicated fan like Joe, I highly doubt that we're going to read about him robbing some liquor store or snatching some lady's purse because he doesn't have football or the Texans in his life anymore. Why is that? Because he's not a criminal that looks for reasons to commit felonies and he'll find other things to revolve his life around until football comes back instead of a life of crime since he can't visit Reliant on Sundays or go to Bubbas. And again, this is common sense and as easy as 1+1 =2. No football does not result in crime as a 2nd resort unless you're already a low life criminal who looks to find any kind of downfall to or unfortunate event to commit crimes.

And if you want to respond, please do JBZ but keep the insults and personal jabs out of this already. It belittles your credibility on issues like this when you resort to that. Relax and try to enjoy the conversation. There is no reason to get personal.

gary
05-24-2011, 04:14 PM
It was dumb no matter what both sides should just shut their pie holes until a deal is reached otherwise I just don't give a crap.

Double Barrel
05-24-2011, 05:30 PM
No football does not result in crime as a 2nd resort unless you're already a low life criminal who looks to find any kind of downfall to or unfortunate event to commit crimes.

It sounds like this is the people that Ray Lewis was talking about:

"There's too many people that live through us, people live through us," he said. "Yeah, walk in the streets, the way I walk the streets, and I'm not talking about the people you see all the time."

I think the point he's trying to make is that we have a lot of shallow-thinking people in our country who live vicariously through their entertainers. And if you remove the object of their vicarious living, they are not going to stop being shallow-thinkers, so those restless energies might get channeled into less-than-productive activities.

I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with Ray Lewis, but just trying to figure out what he's talking about here. But, I know he's not referring to the average sports fan with a day job and wife and kids at home. He's talking about the criminal minds that most folks do not usually associate with in daily life. If no football season means that they would commit more crime is the question, and I honestly do not know the answer, either way.

Rey
05-24-2011, 05:42 PM
It sounds like this is the people that Ray Lewis was talking about:

"There's too many people that live through us, people live through us," he said. "Yeah, walk in the streets, the way I walk the streets, and I'm not talking about the people you see all the time."

I think the point he's trying to make is that we have a lot of shallow-thinking people in our country who live vicariously through their entertainers. And if you remove the object of their vicarious living, they are not going to stop being shallow-thinkers, so those restless energies might get channeled into less-than-productive activities.

I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with Ray Lewis, but just trying to figure out what he's talking about here. But, I know he's not referring to the average sports fan with a day job and wife and kids at home. He's talking about the criminal minds that most folks do not usually associate with in daily life. If no football season means that they would commit more crime is the question, and I honestly do not know the answer, either way.

You pretty much said what I was trying to get across, but you put it so much better.

I think Ray may have been a bit over dramatic (he is an actual football player that is being affected by the lock-out after all), but I don't see how anyone can authoritatively say that crime will not increase at all as a result of no NFL football being played.

Football is just another form of high revenue generating entertainment.

I think that if Hollywood shut down and stopped making movies for a few months it may have an impact on society.

gg no re
05-25-2011, 12:10 AM
Oh yeah, the NFL hasn't been filled with thugs for the last 15 years. The amount of arrests in this off season is no different than what it has been in plenty of previous seasons and at this point they haven't missed any extra time any way so what the hell are you talking about?
You can either turn a blind eye to what's going around you, or you can stand up and take charge. Will you be a hero, or a civilian?

Texan JBZ
05-25-2011, 12:27 AM
It sounds like this is the people that Ray Lewis was talking about:

"There's too many people that live through us, people live through us," he said. "Yeah, walk in the streets, the way I walk the streets, and I'm not talking about the people you see all the time."

I think the point he's trying to make is that we have a lot of shallow-thinking people in our country who live vicariously through their entertainers. And if you remove the object of their vicarious living, they are not going to stop being shallow-thinkers, so those restless energies might get channeled into less-than-productive activities.

I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with Ray Lewis, but just trying to figure out what he's talking about here. But, I know he's not referring to the average sports fan with a day job and wife and kids at home. He's talking about the criminal minds that most folks do not usually associate with in daily life. If no football season means that they would commit more crime is the question, and I honestly do not know the answer, either way.

Thank you DB! Rep coming your way for being open minded about the subject. You summed it up very well.