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CaptainPatriot
04-18-2005, 08:10 PM
Did I mention Defense? :hyper: Been reading some of the threads here. I notice some of you are talking about RB`s, O-Line and WR`s. If you like entertainment then by all means build up the Offense but if you want to WIN Super Bowls you have to build up the Defense. If you canít stop the run doesnít matter how great your O is. Just ask the Coltís vs. PATS Playoff game this yr. Peyton should have paid for a ticket in the 3rd Q. :popcorn: The PATS running game kept him on the bench. Texans need D-Line bad! Marcus Spears should be there when Texans pick. Thought Texans would have went for FA Ed Hartwell, LB Ravens or John Abraham DL of Jets too. Just a cpl. of FA`s off the top of my head.
You canít have enough LB`s. They are very versatile. IE:Special Teams. If Texans donít shore up their D. It is going to be a very long season no matter who they pick up on Offense. It would be a BIG mistake to pick a RB or Mike Williams in the 1st round. Next cpl of yrs 1st round picks should be on D-Line. :thumbup

DocBar
04-18-2005, 08:15 PM
HAHA...I just started a thread along these same lines. I gotta agree with ya there, man. Good post :thumbup

CaptainPatriot
04-18-2005, 08:49 PM
HAHA...I just started a thread along these same lines. I gotta agree with ya there, man. Good post :thumbup


Thanks :thumbup

DocBar
04-18-2005, 09:01 PM
We must be the only people on here that isn't up Chris Palmers *** trying to figure out what he's doing wrong. LOL

CaptainPatriot
04-19-2005, 08:36 PM
We must be the only people on here that isn't up Chris Palmers *** trying to figure out what he's doing wrong. LOL
I see :rofl:

keyfro
04-19-2005, 09:16 PM
marcus spears is a solid prospect for us as well as rogers and any other defensive player...the draft is just days away...can't wait...enough of the speculations

Reddevil63
04-19-2005, 11:05 PM
Thought Texans would have went for FA Ed Hartwell, LB Ravens or John Abraham DL of Jets too. Just a cpl. of FA`s off the top of my head.

I thought the same thing too at the beggining of FA but now Im glad we didnt. I dont think we need another LB thats going to cost us as much as Hartwell would have and we already have plenty of money tied up in the D-line, they are just under-performing. If we can get the line we have to play like we know they can then we should be just fine. Good post though. Nice to see another team's fan post something intelligent and insightful once in a while. :thumbup

Daonly
04-20-2005, 12:16 AM
Since jets need a corner in the worst way; trade the 13th pick for the 26th pick and Abraham, that'll give us our DL or OLB and then we'll use the 26th on Matt Jones or BPA. :thumbup

DocBar
04-20-2005, 12:30 AM
Since jets need a corner in the worst way; trade the 13th pick for the 26th pick and Abraham, that'll give us our DL or OLB and then we'll use the 26th on Matt Jones or BPA. :thumbup
Supposing the Jets were interested...why would we be interested? Abraham is like the 23 rated DE. Walker and Smith are at 26 and 28 respectively. Not exactly a no brainer. If we could trade Buchanon for a 1st or swap spots given up, it might be a doable trade, but as things stand, this is AWFUL. Age and contract should not be considered. I'll take what the Texans have as oppossed to this scenario.

Grid
04-20-2005, 01:34 AM
Now that we have Buchanan.

Im looking at OLB in the 1st. And interior Oline and DL in the 3rd and 4th.

Possibly a trade with Philly for #31 & 35.. that would give us two nice picks to grab an OLB and DL right there.

CaptainPatriot
04-21-2005, 11:24 AM
Now that we have Buchanan.

Im looking at OLB in the 1st. And interior Oline and DL in the 3rd and 4th.

Possibly a trade with Philly for #31 & 35.. that would give us two nice picks to grab an OLB and DL right there.

Texans need to get Marcus Spears with #13. He is made for 3-4. He can start right away. You can rotate him out with Walker. Walker and Payne are very injury prone. If not Spears use 13th pick Louis Castillo, DT, Northwestern 6'3" 305
this guy has very quick feet for a DT. I think you draft that low in this draft for a DL is going to be work in progress. Doesn`t matter who you have behind the D- Line. You give QB`s time to throw he will pick your D apart! It`s going to be a very long day. I do have to give props to Texans for trying to get OT Pace :thumbup

CaptainPatriot
04-21-2005, 11:37 AM
I thought the same thing too at the beggining of FA but now Im glad we didnt. I dont think we need another LB thats going to cost us as much as Hartwell would have and we already have plenty of money tied up in the D-line, they are just under-performing. If we can get the line we have to play like we know they can then we should be just fine. Good post though. Nice to see another team's fan post something intelligent and insightful once in a while. :thumbup

You have a good point on Hartwell. DT Pat Williams would have been a good FA to pick up too. I don`t think they are under performing its the constant injuries the last 2 yrs. Is it time to cut Payne and Walker bring in some younger FA DL`s?:hmmm: Just a thought

TheOgre
04-21-2005, 11:41 AM
I would rather we are #10 in offense and #10 in defense than to be #1 in one and #19 in the other.

A poor defense puts pressure on the offense to take chances and make mistakes. A poor offense forces the defense to be on the field too much and gives the opposition's offense too many opportunities.

If we start Wong at LILB and start Peek at ROLB, what do we really need on defense immediately? I want to see what Peek can do. If he goes belly up, then we can draft an OLB next season.

I realize we have spent more 1st day picks on offense, but we also had more of a foundation for our defense (Glenn, Walker, Payne, Coleman, and formerly Sharper) due to the expansion draft. We have now added speed defensively with Buchanon and Greenwood (and even Peek if he starts). We have yet to make an addition on offense. I guess you could count Joppru as a addition, since we have yet to see him.

infantrycak
04-21-2005, 12:17 PM
I realize we have spent more 1st day picks on offense...

I know you said 1st day picks, but just to point something out that folks may not have noticed.

The Texans now have two 1st round picks on offense:
David Carr
Andre Johnson

They have 4 1st round picks on defense:
Dunta Robinson
Jason Babin
Phillip Buchanon
Aaron Glenn

Nothing wrong IMO with grabbing a 1st rounder for the offense this year, whether it be a RB/WR or OL.

CaptainPatriot
04-21-2005, 12:26 PM
I would rather we are #10 in offense and #10 in defense than to be #1 in one and #19 in the other.

A poor defense puts pressure on the offense to take chances and make mistakes. A poor offense forces the defense to be on the field too much and gives the opposition's offense too many opportunities.

If we start Wong at LILB and start Peek at ROLB, what do we really need on defense immediately? I want to see what Peek can do. If he goes belly up, then we can draft an OLB next season.

I realize we have spent more 1st day picks on offense, but we also had more of a foundation for our defense (Glenn, Walker, Payne, Coleman, and formerly Sharper) due to the expansion draft. We have now added speed defensively with Buchanon and Greenwood (and even Peek if he starts). We have yet to make an addition on offense. I guess you could count Joppru as a addition, since we have yet to see him.


I agree with being ranked 10 on O and 10 on D. But with salary cap and all that would be hard to do. Also if you have a D that makes TO`s They won`t be on the field much. Now on the other hand if you have a bad O that turns the ball over alot then the D will get tired. Other than O-Line the O is set for the Texans. The O`s problem is MENTAL MISTAKES! Look at history it is always the team with the better D ranking than the better O ranking. EX: Ravens SB yr. Their O was in the lower part of the ranking. PATS 1st 2 SB`s their running game was ranked in the 30`s. They won with their D.To become a dynasty you start with D. If Payne and Walker stay healthy then it will be great! Their bodies have alot of wear and tear on them. It scares me for the Texans this yr on the D-Line

El Tejano
04-21-2005, 12:34 PM
I just like the way NE has been able to do more with less.

Algebrat
04-21-2005, 12:34 PM
I have to agree w/ the Capt., and go with D. If Walker or Payne goes down (again), I'm not completely confident in Ione (sp) or whoever else we have sitting. At 13 there is a good chance that either Spears, Ware, or Merriman drops to us. Any of them provide strong depth and potential for an eventual starter. If more than one is there, close your eyes and point... :thumbup

El Tejano
04-21-2005, 12:38 PM
Ioane has gotten some considerable playing time in the past and has made some plays for us (the Chiefs game, stopping Priest Holmes at the 1 which led to Marcus Coleman's INT). He, to me is the best one we have after the starting 3 but does anyone feel there are good 3-4 DL in the later rounds?

HomeBred_Texan
04-21-2005, 01:01 PM
Offense, Offense, Offense. We drafted D players last year. They will shine this year. We need O Line men, running back, or a wide out to compliment Johnson.

66cobra
04-21-2005, 01:02 PM
Mike Patterson (USC) is good but he is probably gone by #73, but Sione Pouha (Utah) could be had in 4th-6th round along with Ronald Fields (Miss. St), Atiyyah Ellison (Missouri), Arrion Dixon (Arkansas) and Albert Means (Memphis). They are all DTs.

Meloy
04-21-2005, 01:21 PM
IMO, Spears prob won't be there @ 13 and I think he would not start anyway if we got him. I was under impression, next years draft offered much more selection in mid to late 1st round or early second (where Houston will draft). If Walker and Payne remain healthy for most of season & Smith upgrades with a season under his belt in 3-4 we could have an awesome defense. QB pessure should come mainly from LB & CB anyway and I really like our Dbacks.

IMO only Benson or TRoy Williamson might be at 13 and could be a starter. I'm not sure I would want Merriman to start in front of Babin anyway. Remember, Babin was only rookie OLB that started for NFL.

Hervoyel
04-21-2005, 01:27 PM
I personally see where CaptainPatriot is coming from. I also think Infantrycak makes a good point about the Texans not being all offense with their 1st rounders. As for myself the only offensive player I'd be interested in at 13 (or above) is Benson. I think that's the sort of pick that reaps rewards not only for your offense but it helps keep your defense on the sidelines a little longer which has been a problem here for as long as we've existed.

Aside from Benson or one of the other big 3 running backs I like the first rounder to go for defense. We don't need someone opposite AJ this season, we need to protect our QB long enough for him to start looking at the rest of his recievers.

Seriously, Carr's #2 reciever could be a hybrid cyborg made from parts of Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, and Lynn Swann and it wouldn't make any difference as long as Carr looks at his first option and then Domanick Davis.

We don't "need" a WR just like we don't need a QB or anymore CB's. We could take one but it's not a need.

Benson makes more of an impact with this team than anyone else I can see available. If not Benson then DJ (both surely requiring a trade up). If that isn't gonna happen then I say CaptainPatriot sounds pretty smart and lets go get some D-line help.

wiley2002
04-21-2005, 01:46 PM
I thought the same thing too at the beggining of FA but now Im glad we didnt. I dont think we need another LB thats going to cost us as much as Hartwell would have and we already have plenty of money tied up in the D-line, they are just under-performing. If we can get the line we have to play like we know they can then we should be just fine. Good post though. Nice to see another team's fan post something intelligent and insightful once in a while. :thumbup
If we can get a player like Marcus Spears, then he'll be much like the "Phillip Rivers" of our team. :woot

HomeBred_Texan
04-22-2005, 06:28 AM
If we can get a player like Marcus Spears, then he'll be much like the "Phillip Rivers" of our team. :woot
What, another bench warmer?

CaptainPatriot
04-22-2005, 06:29 PM
Offense, Offense, Offense. We drafted D players last year. They will shine this year. We need O Line men, running back, or a wide out to compliment Johnson.

Defense, Defense, Defense until your D is in the top 10 ranking need to keep on drafting Defense in upper rounds or FA. Also O-Line. If O-Line can block better the O will be alright. But then again if you want to build the Texans like the Colts and put up big numbers during the regular season only to have your heart broken in the Playoffs by a strong Defense. Then by all means drafting Offense is they way to go!

CaptainPatriot
04-22-2005, 06:31 PM
What, another bench warmer?
who on the D-Line is dominating right now on the Texans? Have to take a chance with Spears

DocBar
04-23-2005, 11:17 AM
I'm not so high on Troy Williamson. Most of his reports say he has talent but lacks aggressiveness and runs soft routes. We already have a speed guy that does that named Corey Bradford.I would rather see them take Matt Jones than Williamson on O. I agree with the idea that we need to draft either an LB or DL prospect. Might be able to swap 3-4 and 4-3 like the Pats do.

HomeBred_Texan
04-23-2005, 02:02 PM
who on the D-Line is dominating right now on the Texans? Have to take a chance with Spears
Not with the 13th pick. This is not the place for a "chance"... A good high quality receiver will be available for that pick...

texanfan2002114
04-23-2005, 02:19 PM
Not with the 13th pick. This is not the place for a "chance"... A good high quality receiver will be available for that pick...

I totally agree with you!! The Texans need someone to help David and Andre open up the offense!!

DocBar
04-23-2005, 06:42 PM
Not with the 13th pick. This is not the place for a "chance"... A good high quality receiver will be available for that pick...
I was saying that to show how much I dislike taking Williamson at 13. MOOT POINT NOW!!!! LOL

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 07:06 PM
Not with the 13th pick. This is not the place for a "chance"... A good high quality receiver will be available for that pick...

your only as good as your D-Line and O-Line! WR,RB,QB,S,CB,LB come second

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 07:11 PM
I totally agree with you!! The Texans need someone to help David and Andre open up the offense!!

Texans need O-Linemen before WR`s give carr more time to throw.

DocBar
04-23-2005, 07:14 PM
O-line will be the most improved area this year for the Texans. Ya gotta let em play together awhile. I have a good feeling going into this year. I think TJ will push Walker and Payne more than anyone else we have and we've added to our LB's and secondary. Looking good for '05

CaptainPatriot
04-23-2005, 07:20 PM
O-line will be the most improved area this year for the Texans. Ya gotta let em play together awhile. I have a good feeling going into this year. I think TJ will push Walker and Payne more than anyone else we have and we've added to our LB's and secondary. Looking good for '05
I hope your right. Getting tired of false starts and holding in crucial situations

DocBar
04-23-2005, 07:26 PM
I hope your right. Getting tired of false starts and holding in crucial situations
It takes some time for these guys to learn to play together. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I'm glad they didn't have a wholesale change on the OL. We have some good potential there with a need to upgrade only the center position and RG soon. The defense is gonna rock this year. I see Babin and Peek bookending some QB's this year. Besides, now Walker and Payne will be pushed more than have since they've been here.Once I realized Travis Johnson WASN'T a typo, I googled him and he seems like a very solid pick.

CaptainPatriot
05-02-2005, 06:36 PM
It takes some time for these guys to learn to play together. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I'm glad they didn't have a wholesale change on the OL. We have some good potential there with a need to upgrade only the center position and RG soon. The defense is gonna rock this year. I see Babin and Peek bookending some QB's this year. Besides, now Walker and Payne will be pushed more than have since they've been here.Once I realized Travis Johnson WASN'T a typo, I googled him and he seems like a very solid pick.


I like your ATTITUDE :) Never know. Texans could just put it all together this yr with what they have
:thumbup