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Texans34Life
05-12-2011, 10:42 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/05/11/texans/index.html

As the NFL's labor fight rolls into a third full month, I can't imagine the lockout is more excruciating anywhere than in Houston, a city that last tasted the postseason in 1993, far and away the league's longest drought.

Nowhere is the sense of urgency and eagerness for the 2011 season higher. Everyone from Texans owner Bob McNair on down understands exactly what's at stake. The time is now for these Texans. The NFL's latest expansion franchise will play its anniversary 10th season this fall, and embarrassingly still has no playoff berths to show for its almost decade-long existence.

In a soul-deadening offseason like none other, there's somehow still a palpable feeling of anticipation in Houston this year, and with good reason. Moving to finally fix their fatal flaw, the Texans shrewdly hired veteran defensive coordinator Wade Phillips, and then set about transforming Houston's 4-3 scheme into the 3-4 formation that Phillips has succeeded with over the years.

It has been no mere rearrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic. This will not be the Texans defense of the Richard Smith or Frank Bush coordinator eras. Phillips, as always, is talking about attacking the quarterback. He's stressing athleticism, effort, and attitude, and he's willing to shake things up, making the risky call of shifting 6-7, 290-pound (for now) defensive end Mario Williams to an edge-rushing weakside linebacker role.

We may not yet buy the DeMarcus Ware comparison that Phillips has made in regards to Williams and his new role, but that's what makes Houston's gamble intriguing. The Texans are reinventing themselves on defense, even if they are doing it all without any current access to the players, amidst a lockout. Houston spent its first five picks in last month's draft on defensive parts for its new 3-4, headlined, of course, by the selection of Wisconsin defensive end J.J. Watt in the first round (11th overall) and Arizona outside linebacker Brooks Reed in the second (42nd).

You almost can't wait to see how it all plays out in Houston, which slipped back to 6-10 and last place in the AFC South in 2010 after 2009's hopeful 9-7 finish. But then again, we have to. While the Texans have had themselves as good an offseason as anyone in the NFL so far, no one knows when it will end and the games begin. And that has to be making the already tough task of being an optimistic Texans fan that much harder.

"There should be excitement about this season,'' Texans general manager Rick Smith said this week. "Because I think everyone knows how potent we can be on offense. And when you look at our defense, and you think about what Wade can bring to the table, and you think about the guys we've added in the draft and what we could potentially add in free agency, it does get you excited. Because we've got a chance to realize our potential and hopefully take this organization and this franchise to places we've not been before.''

Meaning January's 12-team Super Bowl tournament. It might sound far-fetched at the moment, but is the thought of Phillips, the ex-Cowboys head coach, inspiring a playoff-bound defensive turnaround in Houston this season all that much more implausible than the work turned in by defensive coordinators Gregg Williams in New Orleans in 2009 and Dom Capers in Green Bay in 2010?

All three ex-head coaches teamed with established head coaches -- Gary Kubiak in Houston, Sean Payton in New Orleans and Mike McCarthy in Green Bay. And just as in the case of the eventual Super Bowl champion Saints and Packers the past two years, the offensive pieces are already in place in Houston, and it's the defense that needs an upgrade.

There's nothing tricky about the task facing the Texans: Houston finished third overall on offense in 2010, and fourth in the passing game. It has top-shelf playmakers in quarterback Matt Schaub, NFL rushing leader Arian Foster at running back and receiver Andre Johnson. But the Texans defense was abysmal, finishing 30th overall and dead last against the pass, with a staggering 33 touchdown passes allowed and a league-worst 100.5 opposing passer rating.

Phillips' charge on defense is clear: If he rebuilds it, the wins should come. It's a coordinator quick-fix job he has performed well in other turnaround situations like Atlanta in 2002 and San Diego in 2004. If he can manage it once more in Houston, his famous father, former Oilers head coach Bum, might not always be the most revered Phillips in town.

"Wade's already a rock star in this town,'' Smith said, with a laugh. "He really is. I got a chance to see that in some of the social events that have happened since he's been here, and it's the way people respond and react to him. But the biggest thing is when you look at history and see what he's done and what he's been able to accomplish, and how some of his previous spots had situations that really mirror what we have going on here. I think that's the reason why a lot of people are excited about the Houston Texans and what we might be able to accomplish in 2011.

"Expectations are always high in Houston, but I think the excitement level is high because we're a good enough football team to meet those expectations now.''

They'd better. McNair is easily the most patient owner in the NFL, but when he decided to bring Kubiak back for a sixth season in 2011, he let it be known he expects the playoff drought to end. And why not wave that red flag? Kubiak is now tied for the seventh-most tenured head coach in the NFL, but all six of the men above him on that list have made the playoffs at least twice, with a combined 28 postseason berths earned.

Kubiak has a modest .463 career winning percentage, just one winning record (9-7 in 2009), and the two coaches who just claimed the most recent Super Bowls (Payton and McCarthy) were fellow members of the NFL's 2006 rookie head coaching class (both have three playoff trips in five years).

So it's long since time to take a bold step to rectify Houston's defensive issues, while simultaneously trying to not fix what wasn't broken on offense. The Texans are still chasing the Colts, who have made the playoffs all nine seasons of Houston's existence. Houston is banking that the way to finally slow down Peyton Manning and Indy's passing game is to exert consistent pass pressure with an aggressive front seven that eases the burden on the Texans' notoriously weak secondary.

It all sounds good. But now it has to work. Well, if not now, then by the time actual football returns in a post-labor-addled NFL world. Whenever that may arrive.

"We were obviously disappointed last year with the results of the season,'' said Smith, who is entering his sixth season as the Texans GM. "I really felt we had made progress and thought last year we had a legitimate chance to be a playoff team. When it didn't happen, you really had to be honest with yourself and critically evaluate what the issues were and why you didn't achieve your goals. And we did that. I think we've identified those things and we've taken steps to rectify them. And the first one was hiring Wade.''

That was both Houston's first step, and its biggest one. Phillips has hit the film room with a vengeance, trying to learn the strengths and weaknesses of his players, and the draft brought in some valuable pieces for a quick transition to the multiple and shifting 3-4 defensive front he depends upon. When and if free agency starts, look for Houston to be in the market for a starting cornerback, although Nnamdi Asomugha's break-the-bank price tag might be beyond the Texans' willingness to spend.

Still, as the stagnant summer of 2011 looms, there's new hope in Houston, even if there is no football to be played or practiced for the time being. The lockout and labor stand-off continues, and so does the wait that comes with it. But for the Texans and their beleaguered defense, the promise of better days might have finally arrived.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/05/11/texans/index.html#ixzz1M9JfFlU6

gtexan02
05-12-2011, 10:48 AM
Remember how the common thought process is "You don't hire a coach midseason because theres nothing he can do at that point."

Well, heres your example. If the Texans had just fired everyone on our defensive staff last season like this board was advocating and brought in Wade for the last 3-5 games or so, we wouldn't be in this position. The players would have at least had SOME experience working out of the 3-4. They'd have at least some of the playbooks and materials. And we'd already know whether Mario can rush the passer from the OLB spot.


Instead, we're left with optimism and a shortening timeline

Double Barrel
05-12-2011, 04:26 PM
"Expectations are always high in Houston, but I think the excitement level is high because we're a good enough football team to meet those expectations now.''

:mcnugget:

You're a 6-10 team, dude. This is like Smith rented out the Schlitterbahn and replaced the water with koolaide, and now he's riding all the rides in it.

I don't know what I expect a GM to say in this situation, but reading this is definitely what I don't want to hear him say. It's just a sale pitch, pure BS at this point, and adds to my already discontented state with his ineptness.

Texecutioner
05-12-2011, 04:48 PM
:mcnugget:

You're a 6-10 team, dude. This is like Smith rented out the Schlitterbahn and replaced the water with koolaide, and now he's riding all the rides in it.

I don't know what I expect a GM to say in this situation, but reading this is definitely what I don't want to hear him say. It's just a sale pitch, pure BS at this point, and adds to my already discontented state with his ineptness.

I wonder if certain fans are going to use the lockout as an excuse for Kubiak and Smith like they have in all of these other seasons like the katrina thing and the Jets losing on purpose.

The Texans don't stand to lose anything. Like you said, they were 6-10 and they should have nowhere to go but up from that point.

ChampionTexan
05-12-2011, 04:53 PM
I wonder if certain fans are going to use the lockout as an excuse for Kubiak and Smith like they have in all of these other seasons like the katrina thing and the Jets losing on purpose.

The Texans don't stand to lose anything. Like you said, they were 6-10 and they should have nowhere to go but up from that point.

??????

Double Barrel
05-12-2011, 05:06 PM
I wonder if certain fans are going to use the lockout as an excuse for Kubiak and Smith like they have in all of these other seasons like the katrina thing and the Jets losing on purpose.

The Texans don't stand to lose anything. Like you said, they were 6-10 and they should have nowhere to go but up from that point.

It's not the fans so much as the FO and the owner using the lockout as an excuse.

If changing head coaches is "too traumatic" for the owner last January, what makes it any less traumatic next January?

Reading garbage about Wade being a rock star is just goofy to me. I thought I heard this on the radio, so when I read it here it just sounds stupid. What difference does a coach's popularity with the fans make with regards to operations? Well, if you're speaking of marketing operations, it makes a lot of difference! Expect to see Wade's mug on the Texans "souvenir soda" cups soon.

But back to the owner, reading how patient he is with a career .463 coach with no playoff in five seasons and is now tied for the seventh-most tenured head coach in the NFL just makes me think that we're going to be stuck with Kubiak for awhile regardless of this season's final outcome.

Those lockout excuses are very convenient to avoid that major trauma that has the owner is so concerned.

houstonspartan
05-12-2011, 06:08 PM
I wonder if certain fans are going to use the lockout as an excuse for Kubiak and Smith like they have in all of these other seasons like the katrina thing and the Jets losing on purpose.

The Texans don't stand to lose anything. Like you said, they were 6-10 and they should have nowhere to go but up from that point.

I don't recall Katrina being used as an excuse here, but I know this fan base beat the Hurricane Ike excuse INTO THE GROUND. People actually said that kubiak shouldn't be fired because of Hurrican Ike and the distractions it caused - and they were still using that excuse two years later.

Meanwhile, the Saints had Hurricane Katrina, one of the most destructive storms in the history of the United States, and still managed to win a Super Bowl.

To answer your question: Yes, the lockout will be used as yet another excuse to keep Kubiak and Smith. And McNair will fall for it.

cuppacoffee
05-12-2011, 08:27 PM
I don't recall Katrina being used as an excuse here, but I know this fan base beat the Hurricane Ike excuse INTO THE GROUND. People actually said that kubiak shouldn't be fired because of Hurrican Ike and the distractions it caused - and they were still using that excuse two years later.

Meanwhile, the Saints had Hurricane Katrina, one of the most destructive storms in the history of the United States, and still managed to win a Super Bowl.

To answer your question: Yes, the lockout will be used as yet another excuse to keep Kubiak and Smith. And McNair will fall for it.


Just a little more prestidigitation on Smiths part.


:coffee:

CloakNNNdagger
05-12-2011, 10:37 PM
I don't recall Katrina being used as an excuse here, but I know this fan base beat the Hurricane Ike excuse INTO THE GROUND. People actually said that kubiak shouldn't be fired because of Hurrican Ike and the distractions it caused - and they were still using that excuse two years later.

Meanwhile, the Saints had Hurricane Katrina, one of the most destructive storms in the history of the United States, and still managed to win a Super Bowl.

To answer your question: Yes, the lockout will be used as yet another excuse to keep Kubiak and Smith. And McNair will fall for it.

I'm afraid that he will not fall for it.............He will support it..............with the claim of "UNDER TRAINED TEAM SYNDROME.":kubepalm::wadepalm:

GuerillaBlack
05-13-2011, 10:21 AM
I wonder if certain fans are going to use the lockout as an excuse for Kubiak and Smith like they have in all of these other seasons like the katrina thing and the Jets losing on purpose.

The Texans don't stand to lose anything. Like you said, they were 6-10 and they should have nowhere to go but up from that point.

Oh you know it. It'll be the usual bunch, too.

"There was a lockout! Look at "x" team that didn't do well either! Give Kubiak another year Mr. Bob, he's the hometown kid and our offense is great!".

OzzO
05-13-2011, 10:20 PM
But oh man... if Lions make the playoffs before the Texans do.... it's gonna be a slobber-knocker in the Houston area.

Carr Bombed
05-13-2011, 10:43 PM
Remember how the common thought process is "You don't hire a coach midseason because theres nothing he can do at that point."

Well, heres your example. If the Texans had just fired everyone on our defensive staff last season like this board was advocating and brought in Wade for the last 3-5 games or so, we wouldn't be in this position. The players would have at least had SOME experience working out of the 3-4. They'd have at least some of the playbooks and materials. And we'd already know whether Mario can rush the passer from the OLB spot.


Instead, we're left with optimism and a shortening timeline


I don't see how any of those questions would've been answered. When has a NFL team ever switched base defenses with 3-5 games left in a season?

Even if we hired Wade Phillips with 3-5 games left, there is no way he would've had the time to install his 3-4 package and we'd have no questions answered about Mario's ability to play OLB. Even if the Texans became one of the first teams to switch base defenses in the last month of the season, J.J. Watt wasn't on the team to play the 5 tech which is one of the reasons why the Texans are thinking about moving Mario to OLB.

houstonspartan
05-14-2011, 12:41 AM
But oh man... if Lions make the playoffs before the Texans do.... it's gonna be a slobber-knocker in the Houston area.

Let's not go there. I already have a standing bet with my dad, who still lives in Michigan, about the Lions vs the Texans.

What's really sad and depressing is that I can see, piece by piece, the Lion's rebuilding process. If they take a talentless, 0-16 team to the playoffs in a few short years it will be astonishing.

b0ng
05-14-2011, 12:53 AM
Let's not go there. I already have a standing bet with my dad, who still lives in Michigan, about the Lions vs the Texans.

What's really sad and depressing is that I can see, piece by piece, the Lion's rebuilding process. If they take a talentless, 0-16 team to the playoffs in a few short years it will be astonishing.

Don't worry you're fine. Matt Stafford is made of fine china and their O-line is still legit bad at football. Jim Schwartz may be a good coach but I'm not terribly sure that he's got the offensive side of the ball figured out yet.

Rey
05-14-2011, 01:06 AM
Don't worry you're fine. Matt Stafford is made of fine china and their O-line is still legit bad at football. Jim Schwartz may be a good coach but I'm not terribly sure that he's got the offensive side of the ball figured out yet.

The Lions scored two points/gm less than us last year and their defense was a bit better.

That was without their franchise QB...

They finished with the exact same record that we did last year. They are in a division where they could easily come in second and get a wild card spot.

I don't really think Detroit is a whole lot worse off than we are...JMO.

b0ng
05-14-2011, 01:46 AM
The Lions scored two points/gm less than us last year and their defense was a bit better.

That was without their franchise QB...

They finished with the exact same record that we did last year. They are in a division where they could easily come in second and get a wild card spot.

I don't really think Detroit is a whole lot worse off than we are...JMO.

Easier schedule, franchise QB was knocked out last year as well could be a bad sign, defense is arguably just as devoid of talent, they play in a division that had the two teams competing in the NFCCG.

Norg
05-14-2011, 03:20 AM
It said we were last in the afcs I could of sworn the titans we last ?????

CloakNNNdagger
05-14-2011, 08:40 AM
It said we were last in the afcs I could of sworn the titans we last ?????

http://espn.go.com/nfl/standings

Texecutioner
05-15-2011, 01:03 AM
I don't recall Katrina being used as an excuse here, but I know this fan base beat the Hurricane Ike excuse INTO THE GROUND. People actually said that kubiak shouldn't be fired because of Hurrican Ike and the distractions it caused - and they were still using that excuse two years later.

Meanwhile, the Saints had Hurricane Katrina, one of the most destructive storms in the history of the United States, and still managed to win a Super Bowl.

To answer your question: Yes, the lockout will be used as yet another excuse to keep Kubiak and Smith. And McNair will fall for it.

Maybe it was Ike and not Katrina. After 5 long years it starts to get confusing and it all starts meshing together as they have all been dark years. I just hope that people don't fall into that typical trap again where there is sympathy for this regime if they don't finally have that huge season that's predicted here every year. I do think that our division will be up for the taking this year more than it's ever been in the past since the Titans have a new HC with no QB that's ready to go in right away and the Jags are still meh. The Colts finally looked really vulnerable last season as well. I'd say that the division this season is about as easy pickings as it's ever been.

mussop
05-15-2011, 09:29 AM
The longer the lockout the better for a team with so many key injuries. IMO.

Ranger Tom
05-15-2011, 05:46 PM
But oh man... if Lions make the playoffs before the Texans do.... it's gonna be a slobber-knocker in the Houston area.

Torches and pitchforks.

I wonder if Lowe's will give me a price break if I buy enough of them.

DocBar
05-15-2011, 06:01 PM
I wonder if certain fans are going to use the lockout as an excuse for Kubiak and Smith like they have in all of these other seasons like the katrina thing and the Jets losing on purpose.

The Texans don't stand to lose anything. Like you said, they were 6-10 and they should have nowhere to go but up from that point.

Tex, I bet you $1,000.00 that the Texans make the playoffs this year. You game?

jaayteetx
05-15-2011, 06:10 PM
Tex, I bet you $1,000.00 that the Texans make the playoffs this year. You game?

Cojones!

DocBar
05-15-2011, 06:27 PM
Cojones!

Huevos grande, mi amigo. Does Tex accept is the question. Put up or shut up.

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05-15-2011, 10:10 PM
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GP
05-15-2011, 11:40 PM
Let's not go there. I already have a standing bet with my dad, who still lives in Michigan, about the Lions vs the Texans.

What's really sad and depressing is that I can see, piece by piece, the Lion's rebuilding process. If they take a talentless, 0-16 team to the playoffs in a few short years it will be astonishing.

I am watching the Oklahoma City Thunder in the NBA West Finals.

Yes, that's right: A team that moved from Seattle to Oklahoma City, you know...a virtual wasteland in comparison to the legendary cities that have epic NBA history behind them. And yet there's OKC in the West Finals.

How the hell does that happen? LOL.

So if the Lions beat the Texans to the playoffs, it won't surprise me. It's almost a foregone conclusion, actually.

drs23
05-16-2011, 02:26 PM
Maybe it was Ike and not Katrina. After 5 long years it starts to get confusing and it all starts meshing together as they have all been dark years. I just hope that people don't fall into that typical trap again where there is sympathy for this regime if they don't finally have that huge season that's predicted here every year. I do think that our division will be up for the taking this year more than it's ever been in the past since the Titans have a new HC with no QB that's ready to go in right away and the Jags are still meh. The Colts finally looked really vulnerable last season as well. I'd say that the division this season is about as easy pickings as it's ever been.

I'm on board with this as well. Looks like the stars and moon have aligned. Now if they can just start playing ball we'd all know. But who knows if/when this dispute gets settled! :foottap:

thunderkyss
05-16-2011, 02:44 PM
I am watching the Oklahoma City Thunder in the NBA West Finals.

Yes, that's right: A team that moved from Seattle to Oklahoma City, you know...a virtual wasteland in comparison to the legendary cities that have epic NBA history behind them. And yet there's OKC in the West Finals.

How the hell does that happen? LOL.

So if the Lions beat the Texans to the playoffs, it won't surprise me. It's almost a foregone conclusion, actually.

I find it interesting, that they've done it with no stars.

Surely if they make it to the finals, almost every player on the team will be considered a star (like Daron Williams), but before the play-offs, who was looking at anybody on that team?

Then you have the Rockets. No stars... & that is their excuse. The Rockets were equally as talented for the last two years, but it seems, no TMac, no Yao..... no point in trying.

But that's a different story all together.

Texecutioner
05-16-2011, 03:51 PM
Tex, I bet you $1,000.00 that the Texans make the playoffs this year. You game?

You'd bet that every year, so what's the point?

You're not going to pay me $1,000 even if they go 0-16.

I'll make you a sig bet though which is at least something that can hold up around here.

HoustonFrog
05-16-2011, 04:31 PM
You'd bet that every year, so what's the point?

You're not going to pay me $1,000 even if they go 0-16.

I'll make you a sig bet though which is at least something that can hold up around here.

The Texans re probably praying for a longer lockout..heck you miss the first 5 games of the schedule and they can make the playoffs on the last 11.

DX-TEX
05-16-2011, 04:34 PM
The Texans re probably praying for a longer lockout..heck you miss the first 5 games of the schedule and they can make the playoffs on the last 11.

First quarter of the season is where the bulk of our wins usually come from. We would be 2-12 without it.:kubepalm:

HoustonFrog
05-16-2011, 04:40 PM
First quarter of the season is where the bulk of our wins usually come from. We would be 2-12 without it.:kubepalm:

Well considering they start every year 5-7 and 2 years back made a late push with 4 late wins, it stood to reason that with the this schedule they'd rather miss those opponents who look a little more stout on paper.

House of Pain
05-17-2011, 06:10 AM
I find it interesting, that they've done it with no stars.

Surely if they make it to the finals, almost every player on the team will be considered a star (like Daron Williams), but before the play-offs, who was looking at anybody on that team?

Then you have the Rockets. No stars... & that is their excuse. The Rockets were equally as talented for the last two years, but it seems, no TMac, no Yao..... no point in trying.

But that's a different story all together.

I don't know how you can say a team with Kevin Durant has 'no stars' or 'as talented' as the Rockets. Durant is arguably among the top 3 to 5 players (depending on who you ask) in the NBA. Just because he doesn't play on TNT or ESPN, doesn't mean he isn't destroying people on the court. All the people that I know who discuss basketball thought that with Westbrook/Durant it was 'when' not an 'if'.

This is a thread about the Texans sucking, so I will try to not detail it. God knows we can use another thread about them sucking. All apologies.

nut
05-19-2011, 11:22 PM
You'd bet that every year, so what's the point?

You're not going to pay me $1,000 even if they go 0-16.

I'll make you a sig bet though which is at least something that can hold up around here.

The over/under season win odds in Las Vegas will be probably be the Texans winning 8 games (max 8-1/2). - contingent on a full season schedule (edited)

Blake
05-25-2011, 03:58 PM
I dont understand how a team that has never made the playoffs has the most to lose. I would think a Super Bowl caliber team like the Patriots, Steelers, Chargers, Colts, Jets ect have the MOST to lose.

HoustonFrog
05-25-2011, 04:12 PM
I dont understand how a team that has never made the playoffs has the most to lose. I would think a Super Bowl caliber team like the Patriots, Steelers, Chargers, Colts, Jets ect have the MOST to lose.

I think the rationale is that those teams know how to win and have vets that know how to win. Teams like the Texans who haven't gotten over the hump need all the time they can to improve and get extra work. The other teams have the same coaches, leaders, etc compared to say bringing in a new defense and coordinator.

Texanmike02
05-25-2011, 04:25 PM
I don't know how you can say a team with Kevin Durant has 'no stars' or 'as talented' as the Rockets. Durant is arguably among the top 3 to 5 players (depending on who you ask) in the NBA. Just because he doesn't play on TNT or ESPN, doesn't mean he isn't destroying people on the court. All the people that I know who discuss basketball thought that with Westbrook/Durant it was 'when' not an 'if'.

This is a thread about the Texans sucking, so I will try to not detail it. God knows we can use another thread about them sucking. All apologies.

Not only that, but I don't think the Rockets have a player on their roster (other than Yao) who is one of the 30 best players in the league. Seriously, who's our best player? How far down the list of talented players do you go before you get to his name?

Mike

Blake
05-25-2011, 04:34 PM
I think the rationale is that those teams know how to win and have vets that know how to win. Teams like the Texans who haven't gotten over the hump need all the time they can to improve and get extra work. The other teams have the same coaches, leaders, etc compared to say bringing in a new defense and coordinator.

I gotcha. But you know what, I think the Texans not being able to "coach" the players right now might actually be a good thing. We will get a few good games out of our rookies before our "coaching" screws them up.

Allstar
05-26-2011, 03:19 AM
I find it interesting, that they've done it with no stars.

Surely if they make it to the finals, almost every player on the team will be considered a star (like Daron Williams), but before the play-offs, who was looking at anybody on that team?

Then you have the Rockets. No stars... & that is their excuse. The Rockets were equally as talented for the last two years, but it seems, no TMac, no Yao..... no point in trying.

But that's a different story all together.

Are you sure you're thinking of the OKC Thunder? Kevin Durant is a bona fide super star. Deron Williams is a star too. Do you not watch basketball?