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beerlover
05-09-2011, 11:01 AM
thoughts - :whip: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7556174.html

FirstTexansFan
05-09-2011, 11:04 AM
Looks like he's calling him out in my opinion... is that to motivate, or has Phillips already decided this guy is a bust?

thunderkyss
05-09-2011, 11:16 AM
Amobi played DE for us a few times last season, out of a 3 man front. I thought he looked as good as Antonio, a lot of effort & being a hair short & a tad late. A little pass defense would help both guys I think.

I think it's odd to pencil in the starters..... whether it's Antonio & Watt, or Amobi & Watt, or Antonio & Amobi before the first OTA.

76Texan
05-09-2011, 11:37 AM
Amobi played DE for us a few times last season, out of a 3 man front. I thought he looked as good as Antonio, a lot of effort & being a hair short & a tad late. A little pass defense would help both guys I think.

I think it's odd to pencil in the starters..... whether it's Antonio & Watt, or Amobi & Watt, or Antonio & Amobi before the first OTA.

The only one that penciled in the starters was McClain.

Wade only said that "you have Watt, Smith, and Amobi".

Corrosion
05-09-2011, 11:51 AM
Ive said about a dozen times on here (search it if you like) that I believe 0k0ye's natural position is a 34 DE.

He gets zero's till he earns those O's

badboy
05-09-2011, 12:31 PM
thoughts - :whip: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7556174.htmlHere is the key "being responsible to get to QB and not grab and hold the blocker". Actually, I would be happy for Okoye to get 3 sacks this season as I anticipated him to remain a tackle. As a DE he might get 7-8. We probably will see our two ILBs banging the middle even more to help the Nose.

wolf123
05-09-2011, 12:36 PM
Sounds to me like Wade isn't confident in his ability at all. Its also very telling and troubleing that wade thinks he played terrible last year and the old staff and Okoye seem to have thought he played his best last year...

beerlover
05-09-2011, 12:49 PM
I don't think he fits Wade Phillips scheme as a nose either despite using smaller one gap tackles. If Texans get enough time in during whatever pre-season is left he will be evaluated how well he fits/performs in this new role with options 1 being yes, keep him as a rotational end or 2 no, look for another team to trade him to.

b0ng
05-09-2011, 01:03 PM
I don't think he fits Wade Phillips scheme as a nose either despite using smaller one gap tackles. If Texans get enough time in during whatever pre-season is left he will be evaluated how well he fits/performs in this new role with options 1 being yes, keep him as a rotational end or 2 no, look for another team to trade him to.

I think he makes it just based on how thin we are at DE as it is unless he is a complete and total disaster before we make it to week 1.

drs23
05-09-2011, 01:15 PM
i think he makes it just based on how thin we are at de as it is unless he is a complete and total disaster before we make it to week 1.

+1^^^

Hervoyel
05-09-2011, 01:33 PM
I love how they work the classic Texans spin in there with this

Last season, the Texans ranked 32nd in pass defense, allowing 267.5 yards a game. But over the last six games, they surrendered 211.7 yards and reduced their touchdown passes from 25 to eight.

I don't think a year has gone by when we didn't get some kind of sillly bullshit stat like this to try and make us feel better about the turd layed the previous year.

Okoye at DE is interesting though. That's been discussed here for a couple of years, albeit in the context of a 4-3 DE. Still, maybe he'll surprise us. I mean, if we can make ourselves believe that Mario will improve as an OLB then Amobi at DE can't be much more of a stretch. It's not like he's going to have less impact than he does already.

Dutchrudder
05-09-2011, 01:54 PM
I love how they work the classic Texans spin in there with this



I don't think a year has gone by when we didn't get some kind of sillly bullshit stat like this to try and make us feel better about the turd layed the previous year.

Okoye at DE is interesting though. That's been discussed here for a couple of years, albeit in the context of a 4-3 DE. Still, maybe he'll surprise us. I mean, if we can make ourselves believe that Mario will improve as an OLB then Amobi at DE can't be much more of a stretch. It's not like he's going to have less impact than he does already.

But we had a top 12 defense for the last 6 games! Does that not mean anything to you??? If we keep that up for 16 games next season, we will be in the Super Bowl!!!!


:kitten:

Wolf6151
05-09-2011, 02:00 PM
I think Amobi makes the team as a backup DE in 3-4 sets and DT in 4-3 sets, and has a better year than normal but nothing outstanding. I also don't think we'll see any personal or team improvement until about the 4th game of the year. It'll take time form them to learn and gel as a unit. As for KJ, I think he'll be fine. With newer/better (hopefully) coaches and a years experience he should be better, not Aso great, but better. Last year Kubiak threw him into a situation out of desperation that he wasn't prepared for, it was a no win situation.

I'm most surprised that Phillips is happy with Mitchell at NT, all 291 lbs. of him. Also Cody is a FA so he'll have to be re-signed in order to become the NT starter. Hopefully they pick up a NT off the street or FA, and if not then I think that NT will be a very high priority in next years draft.

Goatcheese
05-09-2011, 02:11 PM
Sounds to me like Wade isn't confident in his ability at all. Its also very telling and troubleing that wade thinks he played terrible last year and the old staff and Okoye seem to have thought he played his best last year...

It's probably a difference in what they wanted/expected him to do.

If one coach wants you to go balls out and penetrate no matter what he's going to be happy when you do.

If another coach wants you to read, react and maintain discipline he's going to think you're horrible and irresponsible for abandoning your gap and trying to penetrate every snap.

(not saying that is what Bush/Wade wanted, just an example)

Double Barrel
05-09-2011, 02:38 PM
I love how they work the classic Texans spin in there with this



I don't think a year has gone by when we didn't get some kind of sillly bullshit stat like this to try and make us feel better about the turd layed the previous year.

Okoye at DE is interesting though. That's been discussed here for a couple of years, albeit in the context of a 4-3 DE. Still, maybe he'll surprise us. I mean, if we can make ourselves believe that Mario will improve as an OLB then Amobi at DE can't be much more of a stretch. It's not like he's going to have less impact than he does already.

Amobi is a 9-10 year project player, so he's barely halfway there. Patience, folks! :brando:

But we had a top 12 defense for the last 6 games! Does that not mean anything to you??? If we keep that up for 16 games next season, we will be in the Super Bowl!!!!


:kitten:

It sounds like our team is on the right track! http://www.buddy-icons.info/img/smile/1671.gif

wolf123
05-09-2011, 02:42 PM
It's probably a difference in what they wanted/expected him to do.

If one coach wants you to go balls out and penetrate no matter what he's going to be happy when you do.

If another coach wants you to read, react and maintain discipline he's going to think you're horrible and irresponsible for abandoning your gap and trying to penetrate every snap.

(not saying that is what Bush/Wade wanted, just an example)

I get that, my comment was more on the lines of Okoye has no it in his head that he played excellent and is content.

badboy
05-09-2011, 02:57 PM
I think Amobi makes the team as a backup DE in 3-4 sets and DT in 4-3 sets, and has a better year than normal but nothing outstanding. I also don't think we'll see any personal or team improvement until about the 4th game of the year. It'll take time form them to learn and gel as a unit. As for KJ, I think he'll be fine. With newer/better (hopefully) coaches and a years experience he should be better, not Aso great, but better. Last year Kubiak threw him into a situation out of desperation that he wasn't prepared for, it was a no win situation.

I'm most surprised that Phillips is happy with Mitchell at NT, all 291 lbs. of him. Also Cody is a FA so he'll have to be re-signed in order to become the NT starter. Hopefully they pick up a NT off the street or FA, and if not then I think that NT will be a very high priority in next years draft.Cody was signed before the 2009-2010 season for three years. I think he remains on roster. Link= http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4008922

Corrosion
05-09-2011, 03:23 PM
Amobi is a 9-10 year project player, so he's barely halfway there. Patience, folks! :brando:



It sounds like our team is on the right track! http://www.buddy-icons.info/img/smile/1671.gif

You may be onto something there without realizing it .... 0k0ye was a pup when he came into the NFL. He might have been a big strong guy , but compare him and the competition to two bulls - One a yearling and the other a middle aged bull who had been thru the rutt a few times .... That young bull is gonna get his ass handed to him.

He's just now 23 years old - what would be his Junior or Senior season in college .... At the time , it was probably a poor pick but going forward , maybe he's just not hit his peak yet , I'd say "late bloomer" but that would hardly fit a guy who was drafted by the NFL at 19.

He could take a big step this year .... or next (maybe never).

IDEXAN
05-09-2011, 03:47 PM
Also Cody is a FA so he'll have to be re-signed in order to become the NT starter.
I believe they've already got that done, so he's on the roster along with Mitchell to play nose for us.

Norg
05-09-2011, 04:02 PM
I still hope we go out and get like a fat ol nt plug for just the running plays And then take him out for the passing

The1ApplePie
05-09-2011, 05:29 PM
You may be onto something there without realizing it .... 0k0ye was a pup when he came into the NFL. He might have been a big strong guy , but compare him and the competition to two bulls - One a yearling and the other a middle aged bull who had been thru the rutt a few times .... That young bull is gonna get his ass handed to him.

He's just now 23 years old - what would be his Junior or Senior season in college .... At the time , it was probably a poor pick but going forward , maybe he's just not hit his peak yet , I'd say "late bloomer" but that would hardly fit a guy who was drafted by the NFL at 19.

He could take a big step this year .... or next (maybe never).

Or he pulled a high school 5-star recruit and peaked at 19:vincepalm:

The Texans should land Spears or Hatcher from the Cowboys when free agency starts up

DX-TEX
05-09-2011, 05:36 PM
I dont know how well Philips will do as our DC this year with the pack of OTA's and this damn lockout and all but i will say one thing....

He is shaking shit up on the defense. Bout damn time too I might add.

Thorn
05-09-2011, 05:39 PM
I dont know how well Philips will do as our DC this year with the pack of OTA's and this damn lockout and all but i will say one thing....

He is shaking shit up on the defense. Bout damn time too I might add.

As others have said, I'm not sure how it could get worse.

Rey
05-09-2011, 05:41 PM
I read the article and I don't see what the fuss is about...

Doesn't sound like he's saying anything earth shattering in there...

Lucky
05-09-2011, 05:52 PM
Last season, the Texans ranked 32nd in pass defense, allowing 267.5 yards a game. But over the last six games, they surrendered 211.7 yards and reduced their touchdown passes from 25 to eight.
Even more impressive when you consider 4 of those 6 games came against legends like Rusty Smith, Kerry Collins, Tim Tebow, and Trent Edwards.

Though Tebow did throw for over 300 yards.

I mean, if we can make ourselves believe that Mario will improve as an OLB then Amobi at DE can't be much more of a stretch.
Brilliant!

Corrosion
05-09-2011, 05:59 PM
Or he pulled a high school 5-star recruit and peaked at 19:vincepalm:

The Texans should land Spears or Hatcher from the Cowboys when free agency starts up

I can tell you from personal experiences in three very physical sports that .... a 19year old kid just isnt the same kinda strong that a more mature man is. The kid may be strong , but he doesnt have that core strength of someone who is more mature.

Not to mention all the technique learned over those additional years.

The Texans front office took a gamble and came up snake eye's to this point .... that could very well change just by physical maturity. He was the youngest player ever drafted in the NFL ...


Had we drafted this kid in the 3rd , 4th or 5th round , we wouldnt be having this conversation .... We'd probably just ignore him for the most part. This is all based upon the expectations we have of a first round pick.

beerlover
05-09-2011, 05:59 PM
Then which is the bigger stretch?

nytexan
05-09-2011, 09:28 PM
I think all of the complements given to the newest draft choices such as plays hard every play and football is IMPORTANT to them is all indirectly pointed at Okoye. Until he decides he wants to be the best football player he can be, he may as well be a bust because he will never be someone you can depend on.

Personally I think their telling him, GET IT TOGETHER or your GONE. Denver is in desperate need of 4-3 DT's, I see them doing a Travis Johnson trade if he doesn't pan out immediately.

TimeKiller
05-09-2011, 09:33 PM
Trade him for a 290 pound rock. The rock would play better.

Lucky
05-09-2011, 09:35 PM
I can tell you from personal experiences in three very physical sports that .... a 19year old kid just isnt the same kinda strong that a more mature man is.
I can think of teen players who peaked athletically. Maurice Clarett and Marcus Dupree to name two.

Then which is the bigger stretch?
Okoye. Because Mario has had success in the league.

beerlover
05-09-2011, 10:18 PM
I think all of the complements given to the newest draft choices such as plays hard every play and football is IMPORTANT to them is all indirectly pointed at Okoye. Until he decides he wants to be the best football player he can be, he may as well be a bust because he will never be someone you can depend on.

Personally I think their telling him, GET IT TOGETHER or your GONE. Denver is in desperate need of 4-3 DT's, I see them doing a Travis Johnson trade if he doesn't pan out immediately.

You may have touched on something, playing football may not fulfill his passion as much as introducing the youth of his country the game itself. So far at least he has been a better ambassador of NFL football than standing out amoungst peers during games.

ChampionTexan
05-09-2011, 10:22 PM
Amobi is a 9-10 year project player, so he's barely halfway there. Patience, folks! :brando:


Hey - Amobi's on the Jason Babin career track, so look out for him in 2013 after he's been with four other teams. Of course as young as Okoye was coming into the league, it may be another three or four years after that before he really breaks out.

On a related note, keep a close eye on Travis Johnson this year.

dream_team
05-09-2011, 11:53 PM
Everyone bashes Amobi because he was a #10 pick. It could have been worse... we could have traded up for Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. Or instead of Amobi, taken Adam Carriker, Justin Harrell, or Jarvis Moss. In terms of selecting defensive lineman in the 1st round, Texans didn't do so bad.

Playoffs
05-10-2011, 08:42 AM
Everyone bashes Amobi because he was a #10 pick. It could have been worse... we could have traded up for Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. Or instead of Amobi, taken Adam Carriker, Justin Harrell, or Jarvis Moss. In terms of selecting defensive lineman in the 1st round, Texans didn't do so bad.

Well, if you're going to get all literal on us ...

thunderkyss
05-10-2011, 09:31 AM
Here is another article... (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/05/09/amobi-okoye-is-moving-to-defensive-end/)

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/05/09/amobi-okoye-is-moving-to-defensive-end/

Goatcheese
05-10-2011, 11:13 AM
I don't know why people think he's calling out Okoye or saying that he's unmotivated.

"I think he's got ability"
"I think he can [play well]"
"He hustles like crazy..."

That's not the type of things I would be saying about a guy I thought was a lazy bum who is on the bubble.

nytexan
05-10-2011, 11:43 AM
I don't know why people think he's calling out Okoye or saying that he's unmotivated.

"I think he's got ability"
"I think he can [play well]"
"He hustles like crazy..."

That's not the type of things I would be saying about a guy I thought was a lazy bum who is on the bubble.

I didn't think he played well last season, but I think he can.."

"He hustles like crazy, but he doesn't penetrate the way you'd like him to,"

He's quick like some guys I've had before at defensive end, but I don't know what he's going to do."

Going with the full quotes, that doesn't sound like "boy I can't wait to get him on the field" to me.

thunderkyss
05-10-2011, 02:28 PM
I don't know why people think he's calling out Okoye or saying that he's unmotivated.

"I think he's got ability"
"I think he can [play well]"
"He hustles like crazy..."

That's not the type of things I would be saying about a guy I thought was a lazy bum who is on the bubble.

I didn't think he played well last season, but I think he can.."

"He hustles like crazy, but he doesn't penetrate the way you'd like him to,"

He's quick like some guys I've had before at defensive end, but I don't know what he's going to do."

Going with the full quotes, that doesn't sound like "boy I can't wait to get him on the field" to me.

Taken together, I think Wade is saying he's got a place for Amobi on his defense & the guy hasn't hit his ceiling yet. He's just been poorly coached.

steelbtexan
05-10-2011, 02:53 PM
Everyone bashes Amobi because he was a #10 pick. It could have been worse... we could have traded up for Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. Or instead of Amobi, taken Adam Carriker, Justin Harrell, or Jarvis Moss. In terms of selecting defensive lineman in the 1st round, Texans didn't do so bad.

Which is why Rick and Gary need to stop reaching for need.

Willis was the obvious BPA and the Rick and Gary are still looking for LB's

Revis was going to be a good CB. But nobody knew he was going to blow up the way he did. Rick and Gary took a chance on a 18 yr old (in Nigerian yrs) and their gamble came up snake eyes. Time to cut the cord and move on.

dream_team
05-10-2011, 11:18 PM
Which is why Rick and Gary need to stop reaching for need.

Willis was the obvious BPA and the Rick and Gary are still looking for LB's

Revis was going to be a good CB. But nobody knew he was going to blow up the way he did. Rick and Gary took a chance on a 18 yr old (in Nigerian yrs) and their gamble came up snake eyes. Time to cut the cord and move on.

Willis may have been BPA, but we already had Demeco at MLB... wouldn't have much use for him. And I don't think he'd be as effective playing the SAM. I'm in the belief you draft for need in the first three rounds, then draft BPA in the later rounds.

I do agree with you that we should look to move Okoye. He's a solid starter, so we should be able to get some value for him. If he plays next season as a backup DE, his value will go down even more.

maddogmrb
05-12-2011, 12:35 PM
Ive said about a dozen times on here (search it if you like) that I believe 0k0ye's natural position is a 34 DE.

He gets zero's till he earns those O's

Agreed! I've stated on here several times beginning his rookie year that his style of play was more conducive to DE ... and even more so in the 3-4. I hope he breaks out this season.

maddogmrb
05-12-2011, 12:43 PM
Everyone bashes Amobi because he was a #10 pick. It could have been worse... we could have traded up for Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. Or instead of Amobi, taken Adam Carriker, Justin Harrell, or Jarvis Moss. In terms of selecting defensive lineman in the 1st round, Texans didn't do so bad.

Disagree .... they did do bad!

maddogmrb
05-12-2011, 12:47 PM
He's a solid starter, so we should be able to get some value for him. If he plays next season as a backup DE, his value will go down even more.

I think I disagree that he's a solid starter. He was one of Gary's "annointed" starters and they have stubbornly kept him in there until the 2nd half of last year in spite of his under performance for a #10 pick. I don't believe he has much trade value right now and I believe it would go up IF he has a solid year even as a backup DE.

thunderkyss
05-12-2011, 03:59 PM
I think I disagree that he's a solid starter. He was one of Gary's "annointed" starters and they have stubbornly kept him in there until the 2nd half of last year in spite of his under performance for a #10 pick. I don't believe he has much trade value right now and I believe it would go up IF he has a solid year even as a backup DE.

There is a DT out of San Fran. Aubrayo Franklin. He is the #2 rated DT that will be available in Free Agency this year, according to Scout.com


After 8 years in the league, his stats are comparable to Amobi's after 4.

Rey
05-12-2011, 04:07 PM
I didn't think he played well last season, but I think he can.."

"He hustles like crazy, but he doesn't penetrate the way you'd like him to,"

He's quick like some guys I've had before at defensive end, but I don't know what he's going to do."

Going with the full quotes, that doesn't sound like "boy I can't wait to get him on the field" to me.

Sounds like wade believes he can be a player but be needs to see more from him. Sounds like the kind of criticism you give a guy you want to see succeed.

badboy
05-12-2011, 06:07 PM
There is a DT out of San Fran. Aubrayo Franklin. He is the #2 rated DT that will be available in Free Agency this year, according to Scout.com


After 8 years in the league, his stats are comparable to Amobi's after 4.

Yeah, but did you see his salary? ABout $7million and I would not want him at $5m. I think we are stuck in neutral at this position. ANother area where Mr. Phillips needs to be correct.