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srrono
05-01-2011, 06:45 PM
http://drafthq.nbcsports.com/team_picks.aspx


C+ Grade
The Texans took a risk going with front seven players (J.J. Watt, Brooks Reed) with their first two picks when the secondary needed so much help, but we canít kill either pick because this team needs defenders period. (We are worried Reedís draft stock was inflated.) This team has not drafted defense consistently, which is why they spent their first five picks helping new coordinator Wade Phillips. Itís an uneven approach that speaks to this organizationís desperation.

Thorn
05-01-2011, 06:51 PM
?

And the point of this post is......?

Dutchrudder
05-01-2011, 07:00 PM
They gave Seattle a B+, so I wouldn't think much of those writers.

Yankee_In_TX
05-01-2011, 07:19 PM
Draft grades before a down is played are as worthless as mock drafts and tits on a boar.

badboy
05-01-2011, 07:20 PM
http://drafthq.nbcsports.com/team_picks.aspx


C+ Grade
The Texans took a risk going with front seven players (J.J. Watt, Brooks Reed) with their first two picks when the secondary needed so much help, but we canít kill either pick because this team needs defenders period. (We are worried Reedís draft stock was inflated.) This team has not drafted defense consistently, which is why they spent their first five picks helping new coordinator Wade Phillips. Itís an uneven approach that speaks to this organizationís desperation.an we blame anyone for doubting our drafts? Seems like one or two of us (me included) have bashed the coaches. I think they got it more right than wrong but this year compared to last, I am ready to go down with them on this draft. Now go get a vet CB and do something for NT. Anyone think we can get Ron Brace from Pats?

digitalswim
05-01-2011, 07:40 PM
Opinions are like butt holes, everybody has one. I have seen this draft graded from A+ to D. We won't know jack about how this draft pans out until we see some football (preferably a couple of years worth).

Pantherstang84
05-01-2011, 07:47 PM
Opinions are like butt holes, everybody has one. I have seen this draft graded from A+ to D. We won't know jack about how this draft pans out until we see some football (preferably a couple of years worth).

Amen.

badboy
05-01-2011, 07:58 PM
Bob McNair may not wait 2-3 years to evaluate this draft.

jaayteetx
05-01-2011, 08:02 PM
Bob McNair may not wait 2-3 years to evaluate this head coach.

better

thunderkyss
05-01-2011, 09:26 PM
Opinions are like butt holes, everybody has one.

& they all stink!!

thunderkyss
05-01-2011, 09:27 PM
Bob McNair may not wait 2-3 years to evaluate this draft.

1. There isn't a sumanabitx in this draft that isn't talented.
2. Bob will be judging the coaching staff, not the players.

badboy
05-01-2011, 09:30 PM
betterHe has one season and maybe not that depending on how seasons starts.

badboy
05-01-2011, 09:35 PM
1. There isn't a sumanabitx in this draft that isn't talented.
2. Bob will be judging the coaching staff, not the players.ou honestly don't think the coaches draft decisions will be judged by the owner? I think Bobby is basking in the warm glow of the fans' reaction to this draft. If Brooks Reed starts at OLB and falls apart with minimal impact after 3 games, I think McNair will be all over his entire staff including the scouts.

TexCanada
05-01-2011, 09:43 PM
So basically by the reasoning of this article, every team who had too many holes to fill with one draft had a bad draft? I think we had a great draft because we narrowed down our needs in free agency to just a couple of positions. If we can add a top CB, and also a decent veteran WR and NT then we will be well on our way to a decent season. Its not too much to ask to add one real quality player along with 2 decent players.

Texan_Bill
05-01-2011, 09:46 PM
Draft grades before a down is played are as worthless as mock drafts and tits on a boar.

Right on Ryan!!! /END THREAD!!

Hervoyel
05-01-2011, 09:54 PM
Not sure how anyone can look at the 9 years this franchise has put together and not think that that "Haters' are on to something.

houstonspartan
05-01-2011, 11:27 PM
Opinions are like butt holes, everybody has one. I have seen this draft graded from A+ to D. We won't know jack about how this draft pans out until we see some football (preferably a couple of years worth).

Yep. Most people probably gave us an F after the 2006 draft. Now, most people would probably give us an A++++++++++.

SteveSlaton20
05-02-2011, 12:16 AM
the writer probably doesn't know anything about football then. the front 7 is more important and it's what make your secondary. no pass rush and your secondary is most likely shit. good pass rush and you have a good-decent secondary.

although i think i wouldve preferred nick fairley, robert quinn or prince and for 2nd round i wouldve picked rahim moore.

DX-TEX
05-02-2011, 02:25 AM
This is from mike Florio at profootballtalk.com. Guy is a ****ing schill to ebgin with.

Malloy
05-02-2011, 06:49 AM
Draft grades before a down is played are as worthless as mock drafts and tits on a boar.

What... hey... Did I miss something??!?!

PhilpW
05-02-2011, 08:32 AM
This is what prefaced the draft grades, but was omitted from the thread. Note the part in parenthesis.

Yeah, we know draft grades are about as useful as power rankings. Yeah, we know they got a lot of clicks like power rankings so the corporate overlords at Kabletown like us to do them for NBCSports.com.

Silva and I had the honors this year, and you can read all the fun right here.

(My method: If I know a lot of the players a team took, I give them a high grade. If I donít know many of the players, I give them a low grade.)

from: ProFootballTalk.com

HoustonFrog
05-02-2011, 08:35 AM
Draft grades before a down is played are as worthless as mock drafts and tits on a boar.

Exactly. This is the part I hate about the draft. I was reading PK today and they said in 2006 even guys like Gosselin and some others gave Arizona and A and all their guys have been busts. Names on paper don't mean squat. Let's see how they play. All of these guys have talent or they wouldn't be drafted.

LikeMike
05-02-2011, 08:51 AM
Draft grades are about potential - which team got the most value out of the draft based on projected potential and need. If a player was supposed to be there 50 picks later, than a player is thought as a reach - if a player slipped and you grabbed him, thats a good pick. Especially if he fills a need.

So, why are grades from different sites not the same? Because not every site has projected the players the same. So basically a grade is a personal opinion of whether a player is a reach or not, and whether he is a good fit or not.

So are they helpful or worthless? Neither Iīd say. Itīs a long time till we see these players on the field (lockout or no lockout) - so the fans want to know, if they drafted the right players. And with those grades you can read some educated but still personal opionions about that - and you can read how other teams did based on educated but still personal opinions.

But in the end, it`s still opinions... personally, I try to read as many of them as possible - simply because it`s a long way till we see them play, and I want to read more about those players, and if other people see stuff in them that I didn`t see.

Second Honeymoon
05-02-2011, 09:19 AM
Yep. Most people probably gave us an F after the 2006 draft. Now, most people would probably give us an A++++++++++.

i dont think that is true. our 2006 draft was very highly regarded even though we took Mario over Bush. In fact, some people thought Mario was actually a safer pick. Yeah, we took a LOT of heat for not taking Bush, no doubt. I just think the draft wasn't completely discounted as an F because we took the best defensive player.

Ryans was known commodity. In mock drafts before the college season, he was in most top 10s. If I remember, he got dinged or lost some production his final year, but he dropped. Winston was a starting tackle for UofMiam. Daniels was highly regarded and a great value. They took solid football players in 2006. Not sexiest, but solid. They followed suit in 2010. Not sexiest, but pretty solid. This draft smells like that 2006 draft with their early picks.

And we SNOWED Belichik by giving up only a 5th Rounder to move up to get Harris. I guarantee that deal started at a 2012 3rd or this year's 4th Rounder. Bill wanted to trade down and it seems that Rick may have sensed this and held out till his offer of a 5th was accepted. Moving up to get your guys is important but not giving up the farm (i.e. Saints/Ricky, Falcons/Julio) is important.

Maybe its the Osama death talking, but I think Rick, not just Wade, showed some moxie in the draft this year. We didn't give up the farm for Petersen or Miller and we got good players. I preferred Quinn, without a doubt, but they didn't like the tumor. Totally understandable and it makes questioning Quinn v. Watt pretty much a mute issue.

Well rant over, and lets hope for the best. These guys supposedly love football and are high-energy guys. They both have shown some versatility too.

drs23
05-02-2011, 10:21 AM
i dont think that is true. our 2006 draft was very highly regarded even though we took Mario over Bush. In fact, some people thought Mario was actually a safer pick. Yeah, we took a LOT of heat for not taking Bush, no doubt. I just think the draft wasn't completely discounted as an F because we took the best defensive player.

Ryans was known commodity. In mock drafts before the college season, he was in most top 10s. If I remember, he got dinged or lost some production his final year, but he dropped. Winston was a starting tackle for UofMiam. Daniels was highly regarded and a great value. They took solid football players in 2006. Not sexiest, but solid. They followed suit in 2010. Not sexiest, but pretty solid. This draft smells like that 2006 draft with their early picks.

And we SNOWED Belichik by giving up only a 5th Rounder to move up to get Harris. I guarantee that deal started at a 2012 3rd or this year's 4th Rounder. Bill wanted to trade down and it seems that Rick may have sensed this and held out till his offer of a 5th was accepted. Moving up to get your guys is important but not giving up the farm (i.e. Saints/Ricky, Falcons/Julio) is important.

Maybe its the Osama death talking, but I think Rick, not just Wade, showed some moxie in the draft this year. We didn't give up the farm for Petersen or Miller and we got good players. I preferred Quinn, without a doubt, but they didn't like the tumor. Totally understandable and it makes questioning Quinn v. Watt pretty much a mute issue.

Well rant over, and lets hope for the best. These guys supposedly love football and are high-energy guys. They both have shown some versatility too.

:goodpost:

Are you sure Rick sensed this? I think he was just being cheap! :D

REP your way.

2slik4u
05-04-2011, 12:45 PM
the writer probably doesn't know anything about football then. the front 7 is more important and it's what make your secondary. no pass rush and your secondary is most likely shit. good pass rush and you have a good-decent secondary.

although i think i wouldve preferred nick fairley, robert quinn or prince and for 2nd round i wouldve picked rahim moore.

I didnt read the article but I think you just contradicted yourself.

You said the front seven is the most important and the writer probably doesnt know anything about football.

Then you said you would have taken a CB in rd. 1 and a S in rd. 2???

Just saying, needing a little consistency here brah.

GP
05-04-2011, 12:58 PM
Draft grades are about potential - which team got the most value out of the draft based on projected potential and need. If a player was supposed to be there 50 picks later, than a player is thought as a reach - if a player slipped and you grabbed him, thats a good pick. Especially if he fills a need.

So, why are grades from different sites not the same? Because not every site has projected the players the same. So basically a grade is a personal opinion of whether a player is a reach or not, and whether he is a good fit or not.

So are they helpful or worthless? Neither Iīd say. Itīs a long time till we see these players on the field (lockout or no lockout) - so the fans want to know, if they drafted the right players. And with those grades you can read some educated but still personal opionions about that - and you can read how other teams did based on educated but still personal opinions.

But in the end, it`s still opinions... personally, I try to read as many of them as possible - simply because it`s a long way till we see them play, and I want to read more about those players, and if other people see stuff in them that I didn`t see.

Solid post. I agree.

It has to do with where you draft at (what position you draft at) and who you grab based on what you need and the likelihood of that player actually becoming a starter as soon as possible.

I think Watt, Reed, Harris, and a few others are starter material here. I even like the TJ Yates pick since he can sit behind schaub and just soak it all in for a year or two or four--That, to me, is how you develop a future starting QB, by getting a solid starter and then finding someone similar, draft him, and sit him as long as you can. Not a fan of the journeyman QBs like Orlovsky. Those guys were drafted to start ASAP and it ruined them, IMO.

Dutchrudder
05-04-2011, 05:39 PM
i dont think that is true. our 2006 draft was very highly regarded even though we took Mario over Bush. In fact, some people thought Mario was actually a safer pick. Yeah, we took a LOT of heat for not taking Bush, no doubt. I just think the draft wasn't completely discounted as an F because we took the best defensive player.

Ryans was known commodity. In mock drafts before the college season, he was in most top 10s. If I remember, he got dinged or lost some production his final year, but he dropped. Winston was a starting tackle for UofMiam. Daniels was highly regarded and a great value. They took solid football players in 2006. Not sexiest, but solid. They followed suit in 2010. Not sexiest, but pretty solid. This draft smells like that 2006 draft with their early picks.

And we SNOWED Belichik by giving up only a 5th Rounder to move up to get Harris. I guarantee that deal started at a 2012 3rd or this year's 4th Rounder. Bill wanted to trade down and it seems that Rick may have sensed this and held out till his offer of a 5th was accepted. Moving up to get your guys is important but not giving up the farm (i.e. Saints/Ricky, Falcons/Julio) is important.

Maybe its the Osama death talking, but I think Rick, not just Wade, showed some moxie in the draft this year. We didn't give up the farm for Petersen or Miller and we got good players. I preferred Quinn, without a doubt, but they didn't like the tumor. Totally understandable and it makes questioning Quinn v. Watt pretty much a mute issue.

Well rant over, and lets hope for the best. These guys supposedly love football and are high-energy guys. They both have shown some versatility too.

WTF kind of bizzaro thread did I walk in on???

:confused:

TimeKiller
05-04-2011, 08:06 PM
He has one season and maybe not that depending on how seasons starts.

He drafted a developmental QB lolz...

Open wide!