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nut
04-29-2011, 09:38 PM
I have seen a lot of blind support for him. Is hs record that good at drafting? Not causing trouble, just wondering if there is a basis for it.

texanhead08
04-29-2011, 09:39 PM
I think its because most feel he knows what kind of players find his defensive system. We know Kubes/Smith have no clue about drafting defense. Smith said right after the hire I have never worked with the 3-4 so we will lean on Wade's expertise a lot when drafting defense.

b0ng
04-29-2011, 09:40 PM
He has been credited with drafting some good players in San Diego and Dallas. I don't know if all of these guys are all Wade picks or what is actually going on in the draft room so we'll see.

Norg
04-29-2011, 09:44 PM
Hmmm ur right slot of fansgirl lately but let's be honest when it comes 2 d wade blows Rick smith away. !!!! Maybe that's why

RTP2110
04-29-2011, 09:47 PM
Why does everybody think Wade is such a great drafter? - because we've been watching Casserly and Smith draft for all these years.

HoustonFrog
04-29-2011, 09:49 PM
I think its because most feel he knows what kind of players find his defensive system. We know Kubes/Smith have no clue about drafting defense. Smith said right after the hire I have never worked with the 3-4 so we will lean on Wade's expertise a lot when drafting defense.

Honestly he doesn't have a great track record but under Jerry who knows who was pulling the strings. Parcells got Ware and some of the others. He did get some good guys overall but I don't consider him a great drafter or close to it. BUT he knows more than Kubes and Smith combined I'm betting.

DBCooper
04-29-2011, 09:50 PM
He has a scheme and finds the players that fit it.

The previous jokers didn't have a clue.

He's the son of Bum!!!

b0ng
04-29-2011, 09:51 PM
Honestly he doesn't have a great track record but under Jerry who knows who was pulling the strings. Parcells got Ware and some of the others. He did get some good guys overall but I don't consider him a great drafter or close to it. BUT he knows more than Kubes and Smith combined I'm betting.

He is credited with picking Spears which is a decent player for Dallas (I'm sure you know), and he was supposedly the one who wanted Merriman, who was a monster for like 2 years before steroids.

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2011, 09:55 PM
Because everyone hates on Kubiak and Smith and they like these picks so they can't be from Kubiak and Smith.

Now this could be right or wrong, but that is probably the reason.

Nawzer
04-29-2011, 09:57 PM
It's mostly because we've picked defensive players who fill gaps in our defense and we all know how wonderful our defense was last year. People are just happy that we seem to be picking hard working effort guys who are not that risky. I think Watt and Reed have a chance to make an impact on our defense early.

badboy
04-29-2011, 09:59 PM
JJ Watt may beat out Smith this year and be replacement for Mario as this is his last contract year. 10 year starter.

Brooks Reed Starting OLB that should be extremely successful and will rotate with Barwin putting opponent QB in fear of their life.

Brandon Harris pure cover corner that will start either #1, 2 or slot and is now the #1 CB on team imo.

Well, there you go.

Vinnie
04-29-2011, 10:02 PM
I think it's because deep down, we all don't want Rick Smith making any decisions and we cling to any shred of evidence that he just might not be.

PapaL
04-29-2011, 10:05 PM
Because we're fans and latch on to any glimmer of hope. No matter how small. Stranger things have happened.

Hagar
04-29-2011, 10:06 PM
I don't know if this is due to Wade Phillips or not, but it doesn't appear that we are reaching on players because of thier potential talent. These guys look like football players.

Connor Barwin is a good example. Connor was a walkon at Cinci and started out as a TE. Then he was switched to DE and played three different position in college and we took him in the second round. Essentially, we took potential and not a finished player.

All of these guys appear to be more of a finished product. They all look like players who can help us right away and not someone we have to coach up first.

- JJ Watt was a DE for two years and a Ted Hendricks award finalist.
- During his college career at the University of Arizona, Reed recorded 104 tackles and 17 sacks.
- Brandon Harris started all four years at Miami and finished his career with 32 starts in 39 games, 129 tackles and three interceptions.

HoustonFrog
04-29-2011, 10:11 PM
He is credited with picking Spears which is a decent player for Dallas (I'm sure you know), and he was supposedly the one who wanted Merriman, who was a monster for like 2 years before steroids.
Spears was 05 so it wasn't Wade but he did get Spencer and Jenkins, and Scandrich. But overall no studs.

fiasco west
04-29-2011, 10:16 PM
He has a scheme and finds the players that fit it.

The previous jokers didn't have a clue.

He's the son of Bum!!!

Agreed.

Just like Kubiak will get guys for his system Wade is doing the same. I like this relationship so far. As long as Kubes delegates that said of the field to Wade I think this can work out well. We pretty much have two coordinators but IMO we have two of the best coordinators around and if we can get them to work together this could be a very good thing.

Now if only we could get Kubiak to not get cute with his playcalling...

Rey
04-29-2011, 10:18 PM
I don't know if this is due to Wade Phillips or not, but it doesn't appear that we are reaching on players because of thier potential talent. These guys look like football players.

Pretty much this...

This draft just has a different feel to it...

Seems like in the past we've drafted guys that had a lot of question marks about different things...Work ethic, adjustment to the NFL, whether or not their game qould translate...ect

Seems like now we are picking guys that we have a good idea of what they are going to look like. Of course we don't really know what the results of all this will be, but there is no question about these guys ability or desire when it comes to playing...

Plus they have the production/numbers to back up their abilities...

Whether or not Wade is mainly running the show or not I don't know...But I do know that they have drafted a bit differently...

ArlingtonTexan
04-29-2011, 10:26 PM
I don't think or know that Wade is a great drafter. He really did not have much personnel say in Dallas as compared to most head coaches. My hope is that in lifetime of being around football and the fact that he has put togehter real NFL defenses gives us a better chance at recognizing and utilizing talent better.

More hope than proof.

phantom17
04-29-2011, 10:29 PM
I don't think or know that Wade is a great drafter. He really did not have much personnel say in Dallas as compared to most head coaches. My hope is that in lifetime of being around football and the fact that he has put togehter real NFL defenses gives us a better chance at recognizing and utilizing talent better.

More hope than proof.



I think Jerry Jones had a lot more say in their Drafts!:wadepalm:

b0ng
04-29-2011, 10:34 PM
Spears was 05 so it wasn't Wade but he did get Spencer and Jenkins, and Scandrich. But overall no studs.

Well to be fair somebody did sort of give away the top part of the '09 draft for Roy Williams :/

ChampionTexan
04-29-2011, 10:57 PM
Whether it's rationalization or not - who knows, but I think lots of folks believe this is the first time in the history of the franchise that we've had somebody in charge of the defense - and only the defense - who had a clear vision of exactly what he wanted that defense to be. Knowing what you want to be, and having a pretty decent track record of actually being that, makes it easier to believe you know what you're doing.

As to Wade's tenure in Dallas, the optimist in me wants to point to a couple of things. First, it's already been mentioned that Jerry Jones has the big stick up there, and he's not afraid to use it, so who knows how much credit/blame for the draft results really belongs to Wade. Secondly, Wade strikes me as a people pleaser. Always has, and his first few months with the Texans hasn't changed that much. That's all well and good as long as the people you're trying to please aren't in competition with each other. In Dallas, he had the offense to worry about (and special teams of course) in addition to the defense. Even if his actual hands on dealings with the offense was little to none, I still think he felt a responsibility to make sure they got their fair share of the talent - perhaps even giving them the benefit of the doubt so as not to be perceived as favoring "his" side of the ball (hence the people pleasing characterization).

Now the preceding could be anywhere from a 100% factually accurate and comprehensive description, to complete and total mumbo jumbo. I know which of those directions I'd lean, but either way, I think folks want to believe it, and want to believe we'll look at this draft a year from now, two years from now, five years from now and say "Yeah - that's where everything started turning out differently".

b0ng
04-29-2011, 11:08 PM
All 3 of these guys supposedly have high-motors and good work ethics (Or so says their draft profiles). That's not exclusively a Wade thing I don't think, but it is different than having our guys be boom/bust type picks (Okoye, Jones). I think somebody else has said this but it seems like we are actually picking people on the 2nd day that aren't head scratchers.

Errant Hothy
04-30-2011, 08:57 AM
Spears was 05 so it wasn't Wade but he did get Spencer and Jenkins, and Scandrich. But overall no studs.

I'd say there above the mean level of talent. Which is some pretty slick drafting by Wade when you factor in the other players JJ took early in most of those drafts. Spencer and Scandrich would both be starters here last year. It's not like Dallas was picking early in the Wade years.

Wade didn't need to add a whole lot to the D in Dallas and JJ gets his nuts off drafting skill players, a la Felix Jones and Dez Bryant.

TimeKiller
04-30-2011, 09:43 AM
I don't know about Wade's "skills" here....I'm just happy the way the draft is rolling out players for us. JJ Watt at 11, would've been unrealistic to expect Peterson to fall or something equally miraculous. JJ Watt was completely BPA. Brooks Reed, a player many teams coveted falling to us in the 2nd. Then the Pats going trade happy again and we net one of the name CBs.

I don't know where they go from here. I'd like to see a DT pick but I'm not totally sure they'll take one. I think we'll definitely see a S picked, the sooner the better. Pretty sure we'll see a WR pick. Hopefully our luck in placement during the draft will continue and good players keep staying on the board....until our picks!

Texecutioner
04-30-2011, 10:18 AM
I have seen a lot of blind support for him. Is hs record that good at drafting? Not causing trouble, just wondering if there is a basis for it.

The same reason why they thought Capers and Casserly were great drafters for a while and the same reason why they thought Kubiak and Smith were great drafters for several season. Homerism. Every draft we have there are going to be a ton of the same people that act like every pick is golden. You also have to remember that Wade Phillips was thought of as a joke around here when he coached the Cowboys, and once he was hired here, "he became the savior" all of a sudden. If you remember last season you couldn't convince anyone that Kareem Jackson wasn't going to be a stud and many even acted like he was going to be better than Dunta right away which was crazy, but they did. Don't forget how many years Moulden was hyped up as this great CB in waiting either.

I don't think we've had a bad draft thus far though. I don't think it's been a great one either though. I think this draft is one where we'll just have to wait and see honestly. I don't see any bonafied studs yet, but the first two guys seem like they could be good players. I doubt either one will be difference makers though which is what we need right now, but I'll wait and see. I certainly won't act like we've drafted all these great players yet like many others are though. This transition from to a 3-4 isn't going to be just some easy fix right away. This draft will be a mystery to me until I see these guys on the field. So far it's hard to grade in my eyes. I don't just buy in to these guys as being great players in the NFL just because we picked him like many others do.

Second Honeymoon
04-30-2011, 10:25 AM
Because these picks were not made by Smithiak.

Texecutioner
04-30-2011, 10:30 AM
Because these picks were not made by Smithiak.

So you think means that Wade's picks are automatically golden?? There is no indication that these picks have been all "Wade's picks" either just because they've been on the defensive side. Smithiak didn't just abandon their duties to the draft like people want to assume. I don't believe that for one second.

IDEXAN
04-30-2011, 10:32 AM
Parcells got Ware and some of the others. He did get some good guys overall but I don't consider him a great drafter or close to it.
Has anybody else seen the ESPN Draft special with Parcells ? It's really good, actually terrific if you like the Draft as I do. Anyway Parcells is very candid about his own draft mistakes and names names when it comes to his own personal faux pas.
And here's another piece of fascinating trivia from that show: which prospect coming out of school did Parsells grade the highest of all ? OKlahoma RB and Heisman-trophy winner Billy Simms.

infantrycak
04-30-2011, 10:41 AM
So you think means that Wade's picks are automatically golden?? There is no indication that these picks have been all "Wade's picks" either just because they've been on the defensive side. Smithiak didn't just abandon their duties to the draft like people want to assume. I don't believe that for one second.

Yeah, just because folks like the picks and don't like Smithiak they are assuming Smithiak weren't involved. It's silly.

beerlover
04-30-2011, 10:43 AM
I think that the Texans have a very sophisticated under utilized (in the past) scouting department who provide excellent in depth analysis. The Texans have hired a new DC who is changing systems & has 35 years of coaching experience. The combination of the two along with properly identifying needs & rating them accordingly, trusting "Texan Big Board" shows how it should be done. Now lets see how it transfers to the field :logo:

Texecutioner
04-30-2011, 10:46 AM
Yeah, just because folks like the picks and don't like Smithiak they are assuming Smithiak weren't involved. It's silly.

Yeah, it's not like Smithiak hasn't gone after defensive players before early in the draft. That's mainly what we've gone after year after year in the first round. Mario, Okoye, Cushing, and Jackson. Smithiak has addressed the defense plenty in the first few rounds of the draft every season actually, so I don't know why there is this sentiment that this is somehow all Wade as if Bob all of a sudden took away draft duties or something. Wade probably has a strong say so I'm sure, but it's not like Smithiak lost all their privlidges. There is nothing to suggest that has happened.

DBCooper
04-30-2011, 05:51 PM
The same reason why they thought Capers and Casserly were great drafters for a while and the same reason why they thought Kubiak and Smith were great drafters for several season. Homerism. Every draft we have there are going to be a ton of the same people that act like every pick is golden. You also have to remember that Wade Phillips was thought of as a joke around here when he coached the Cowboys, and once he was hired here, "he became the savior" all of a sudden. If you remember last season you couldn't convince anyone that Kareem Jackson wasn't going to be a stud and many even acted like he was going to be better than Dunta right away which was crazy, but they did. Don't forget how many years Moulden was hyped up as this great CB in waiting either.

I don't think we've had a bad draft thus far though. I don't think it's been a great one either though. I think this draft is one where we'll just have to wait and see honestly. I don't see any bonafied studs yet, but the first two guys seem like they could be good players. I doubt either one will be difference makers though which is what we need right now, but I'll wait and see. I certainly won't act like we've drafted all these great players yet like many others are though. This transition from to a 3-4 isn't going to be just some easy fix right away. This draft will be a mystery to me until I see these guys on the field. So far it's hard to grade in my eyes. I don't just buy in to these guys as being great players in the NFL just because we picked him like many others do.

I hope I'm as cool as you when I grow up.

Second Honeymoon
04-30-2011, 06:48 PM
So you think means that Wade's picks are automatically golden?? There is no indication that these picks have been all "Wade's picks" either just because they've been on the defensive side. Smithiak didn't just abandon their duties to the draft like people want to assume. I don't believe that for one second.

that was my explanation for why everybody thinks that...when in fact, not everybody thinks that.

i think they got decent value other than JJ Watt at #11..but its mostly based on the fact that I wanted Quinn.

Tailgate
04-30-2011, 06:49 PM
Yeah, it's not like Smithiak hasn't gone after defensive players before early in the draft. That's mainly what we've gone after year after year in the first round. Mario, Okoye, Cushing, and Jackson. Smithiak has addressed the defense plenty in the first few rounds of the draft every season actually, so I don't know why there is this sentiment that this is somehow all Wade as if Bob all of a sudden took away draft duties or something. Wade probably has a strong say so I'm sure, but it's not like Smithiak lost all their privlidges. There is nothing to suggest that has happened.

Bob has draft duties? What are those exactly?

Revolution
04-30-2011, 07:44 PM
Don't forget how many years Moulden was hyped up as this great CB in waiting either.

Why do people make stuff up to try to solidify their argument? Molden was not touted as a GREAT cornerback in waiting. He had potential, but has proven he can't stay healthy. The only thing I remember reading a lot is that he was a good special teams player, which he was when he actually played...