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Ckw
04-29-2011, 08:53 PM
I really look forward to your comments but so far, I am NOT happy with this draft. Maybe I just don't know some of these players well enough but as of now, here are the players I would have rather had with our picks:

Nick Fairley (have we ever had a dominating NT let alone one that was talked about for a while as the #1 pick?!?), Robert Quinn, Prince Amukamara, Rahim Moore, Marvin Austin, & Stephen Paea. All of these guys seem like better and more proven players as well as guys that solve positions of need. My ideal draft would have gone like this:

1st: Robert Quinn
2nd: Rahim Moore
2nd: Stephen Paea (trade up a little earlier to get him by maybe including a 4th next year or something like that along with our 3rd and 5th this year)

This would have solved our need for a STUD rush LB, an excellent cover FS, and one of the strongest DTs I've ever seen. Don't know why we always have to go off and pick these no name guys? Did we not learn our lesson with guys like Babin?

Please, rip my post to pieces and make me feel better about all this.

ATXtexanfan
04-29-2011, 08:55 PM
you just fell in love with the wrong guys, not wades type

Jackie Chiles
04-29-2011, 08:56 PM
Your draft doesn't look half bad but I think if you do some research on these guys over the next couple of days you are going to be alright with the picks. I'm with the majority of people and totally stoked about our draft but its not like it means much until they put on the pads anyway.

Ckw
04-29-2011, 09:02 PM
you just fell in love with the wrong guys, not wades type

What is Wade's type? Perhaps that will help.

Showtime100
04-29-2011, 09:03 PM
I really look forward to your comments but so far, I am NOT happy with this draft. Maybe I just don't know some of these players well enough but as of now, here are the players I would have rather had with our picks:

Nick Fairley (have we ever had a dominating NT let alone one that was talked about for a while as the #1 pick?!?), Robert Quinn, Prince Amukamara, Rahim Moore, Marvin Austin, & Stephen Paea. All of these guys seem like better and more proven players as well as guys that solve positions of need. My ideal draft would have gone like this:

1st: Robert Quinn
2nd: Rahim Moore
2nd: Stephen Paea (trade up a little earlier to get him by maybe including a 4th next year or something like that along with our 3rd and 5th this year)

This would have solved our need for a STUD rush LB, an excellent cover FS, and one of the strongest DTs I've ever seen. Don't know why we always have to go off and pick these no name guys? Did we not learn our lesson with guys like Babin?

Please, rip my post to pieces and make me feel better about all this.

Relax, my friend. You are ready to see some results for a change and as a Texans fan from the start you are entitled to fold your arms and wonder.

We've seen these road signs before, it's normal to think we haven't actually gone anywhere.

Thorn
04-29-2011, 09:06 PM
what happens this year is anyone's guess, including if there is even a "this year". I like the draft and the direction we are heading.

b0ng
04-29-2011, 09:07 PM
I try not to fall too in love with specific players outside of the first round. I can see why people aren't too happy with the Watt pick because he's not that "exciting" type guy that one would expect for a first round pick. The second round and beyond I am glad they are sticking with positions of need and I think they got a good value getting Harris in the 3rd.

I wanted Moore as well but getting a pass rushing guy for our OLB spot is a good thing. So far in this draft the positions seem right and the players pass the smell test. It's weird not seeing an "Earl Mitchell" or a "Jacoby Jones" type pick in either of these rounds.

Brisco_County
04-29-2011, 09:08 PM
I love this draft. We picked tier 1 athletes with high work ethic.

LikeMike
04-29-2011, 09:11 PM
I really look forward to your comments but so far, I am NOT happy with this draft. Maybe I just don't know some of these players well enough but as of now, here are the players I would have rather had with our picks:

Nick Fairley (have we ever had a dominating NT let alone one that was talked about for a while as the #1 pick?!?), Robert Quinn, Prince Amukamara, Rahim Moore, Marvin Austin, & Stephen Paea. All of these guys seem like better and more proven players as well as guys that solve positions of need. My ideal draft would have gone like this:

1st: Robert Quinn
2nd: Rahim Moore
2nd: Stephen Paea (trade up a little earlier to get him by maybe including a 4th next year or something like that along with our 3rd and 5th this year)

This would have solved our need for a STUD rush LB, an excellent cover FS, and one of the strongest DTs I've ever seen. Don't know why we always have to go off and pick these no name guys? Did we not learn our lesson with guys like Babin?

Please, rip my post to pieces and make me feel better about all this.

The thing is - we are all not experts. Some of us watch a lot of films and acutally know what they`re talking about, but in the end it`s still a little guessing game.

But if you read a lot analysises and look at where players are supposed to go, you can get an impression on how good the chances are, that a player actually pans out.

Now I really like the players that you put there - but the players drafted are not really that far off on the big boards you see on the internet. And then you have to think about which player fits our system, what the plan is with other players and FA.

And when they draft 3 players in needes positions that were projected about at the time that they were supposed to go or a lot higher, you are doing a good job.

Brisco_County
04-29-2011, 09:12 PM
I really look forward to your comments but so far, I am NOT happy with this draft. Maybe I just don't know some of these players well enough but as of now, here are the players I would have rather had with our picks:

Nick Fairley (have we ever had a dominating NT let alone one that was talked about for a while as the #1 pick?!?), Robert Quinn, Prince Amukamara, Rahim Moore, Marvin Austin, & Stephen Paea. All of these guys seem like better and more proven players as well as guys that solve positions of need. My ideal draft would have gone like this:

1st: Robert Quinn
2nd: Rahim Moore
2nd: Stephen Paea (trade up a little earlier to get him by maybe including a 4th next year or something like that along with our 3rd and 5th this year)

This would have solved our need for a STUD rush LB, an excellent cover FS, and one of the strongest DTs I've ever seen. Don't know why we always have to go off and pick these no name guys? Did we not learn our lesson with guys like Babin?

Please, rip my post to pieces and make me feel better about all this.

The NFL Hall of Fame is filled with no-name draft prospects.

Go back and read the draft guides from two years ago, and see how many of those big names actually became world-changers.

The Cush
04-29-2011, 09:15 PM
I feel the exact opposite, I love this draft. We have 3 guys that could have gone in the 1st round building through establishing the front 7 first. We are now set up to tie up most of our spending money on a veteran FA corner instead of drafting and then relying on another inexperienced one like Prince.

beerlover
04-29-2011, 09:18 PM
best :logo: draft in a landslide :wesmantexanfan:

gtexan02
04-29-2011, 09:19 PM
DT and QB are the two most highly bust-likely players you can draft. Fairley is not a can't miss prospect. He's got the biggest complaint a DT can get---motor

Ckw
04-29-2011, 09:23 PM
Relax, my friend. You are ready to see some results for a change and as a Texans fan from the start you are entitled to fold your arms and wonder.

We've seen these road signs before, it's normal to think we haven't actually gone anywhere.

Too true. I guess I am conditioned to doubt the Texans ability to evaluate talent and draft properly.

It just hurts to look back at our drafts and look at the NUMEROUS mistakes we have made. To think we could have guys like Clay Matthews (who I swear to you I wanted over Brian Cushing), Patrick Willis (who I also wanted over Okoye), Darrel Revis, Devin McCourty, William Moore (who I wanted to draft over Barwin), and many more I simply can't think of right now.

:kubepalm:

adboy
04-29-2011, 09:23 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/23559/texans-do-nice-work-on-d-in-three-picks
espn seems to like our draft so far

Htownsportsfan
04-29-2011, 09:25 PM
It might be hard for Texans fans to understand as over the years our drafts have sucked for the most part and dont seem to make sense for the system or the current need. I think some of that started when Casserly wouldn't give Capers what he wanted on Defense. It continued when we had two DCs who were constantly making changes to their defense and had no true scheme to draft for.

Wade Phillips for those who only know him from the Dallas sidelines where he looked confused is one hell of a DC and he knows how to run his hybrid 3-4. He likes high motor guys he can move around and bring pressure from anywhere anytime in any situation. The name of the game is disruption and turnover! Look at his first and second round picks and almost all of the write ups on these guys will mention they are high energy guys who seem to have a love of the game. The Harris pick was a need pick, we needed a DB and Harris was the best one on the board.

I will be curious to see if the Texans pick up an offensive player and let Wade get the rest of his groceries in FA or let him go D with the whole draft.

VTexan
04-29-2011, 09:26 PM
I think we wanted Paea but the Bears but us to the punch.

Ole Miss Texan
04-29-2011, 09:26 PM
I feel the exact opposite, I love this draft. We have 3 guys that could have gone in the 1st round building through establishing the front 7 first. We are now set up to tie up most of our spending money on a veteran FA corner instead of drafting and then relying on another inexperienced one like Prince.

best :logo: draft in a landslide :wesmantexanfan:

I'm with these two. I LOVE this draft and think these guys are going to be huge reasons why our defense will witness such improvement. Watt and Reed are both going to quickly become fan favorites by the way they play.

Harris is excellent value at the bottom of the 2nd and should create a wonderful ripple effect in our secondary. A veteran FA CB is needed and that would have been the case even if we got Peterson. Picture Ike Taylor and Kareem Jackson as our 1-2 then Harris who will play Nickle and Glover that switches to FS.

This draft could end up being just as good if not better than '06

Nawzer
04-29-2011, 09:27 PM
You are perfectly within your rights to doubt our draft strategy. I personally am not and will not be connvinced we've had a good draft until we make the playoffs and win a playoff game. The management has had ample number of opportunities to fix this defense but never fully tried fixing it. I think this year thanks to Wade Phillips we are finally trying to fix the persistent gaps we've had in our defense for years. So, we'll see what these guys can do, but I certainly think we are at least drafting guys who will work hard and give it their all on the field.

beerlover
04-29-2011, 09:27 PM
Too true. I guess I am conditioned to doubt the Texans ability to evaluate talent and draft properly.

It just hurts to look back at our drafts and look at the NUMEROUS mistakes we have made. To think we could have guys like Clay Matthews (who I swear to you I wanted over Brian Cushing), Patrick Willis (who I also wanted over Okoye), Darrel Revis, Devin McCourty, William Moore (who I wanted to draft over Barwin), and many more I simply can't think of right now.

:kubepalm:

After three rounds into "Texan Wade Phillips Era" I'd give him a heap of credit & say there's a new sheriff in town :zipit:

Ckw
04-29-2011, 09:28 PM
I try not to fall too in love with specific players outside of the first round. I can see why people aren't too happy with the Watt pick because he's not that "exciting" type guy that one would expect for a first round pick. The second round and beyond I am glad they are sticking with positions of need and I think they got a good value getting Harris in the 3rd.

I wanted Moore as well but getting a pass rushing guy for our OLB spot is a good thing. So far in this draft the positions seem right and the players pass the smell test. It's weird not seeing an "Earl Mitchell" or a "Jacoby Jones" type pick in either of these rounds.

What I don't understand is we have Antonio Smith and Mario Williams to start at DE. We could have drafted a stud rushing LB in Robert Quinn in the 1st (I was shocked he fell as far as he did), and then wouldn't have had to get one in the 2nd and thus could have used the 2nd round pick on a safety that caught 10 INTs a year ago. Plus in our entire history, we have never had a good safety (at least that I can think of).

To top it off, can any of you seriously tell me (or convince me) that DT wasn't WAY more of a need than DE?!? Our DTs SUCK!

Mr teX
04-29-2011, 09:29 PM
best :logo: draft in a landslide :wesmantexanfan:

i agree. They picked guys that aren't those uber flashy prospects, but guys that are durable, solid & work hard.............the last time this happened was in 2006 & well its no coincidence that that was our best draft ever.

BigTimeTexanFan
04-29-2011, 09:30 PM
Too true. I guess I am conditioned to doubt the Texans ability to evaluate talent and draft properly.

It just hurts to look back at our drafts and look at the NUMEROUS mistakes we have made. To think we could have guys like Clay Matthews (who I swear to you I wanted over Brian Cushing), Patrick Willis (who I also wanted over Okoye), Darrel Revis, Devin McCourty, William Moore (who I wanted to draft over Barwin), and many more I simply can't think of right now.

:kubepalm:

????


edit- nevermind

Ndevine7
04-29-2011, 09:30 PM
What I don't understand is we have Antonio Smith and Mario Williams to start at DE. We could have drafted a stud rushing LB in Robert Quinn in the 1st (I was shocked he fell as far as he did), and then wouldn't have had to get one in the 2nd and thus could have used the 2nd round pick on a safety that caught 10 INTs a year ago. Plus in our entire history, we have never had a good safety (at least that I can think of).

To top it off, can any of you seriously tell me (or convince me) that DT wasn't WAY more of a need than DE?!? Our DTs SUCK!

Wade might be high on Quin moving to FS. Also with mario injured oftenly it would be nice to give him a guy to take some snaps

infantrycak
04-29-2011, 09:31 PM
The Harris pick was a need pick, we needed a DB and Harris was the best one on the board.

Taking a guy rated to go in the 1st round at the tail end of the 2nd is not a need pick. I mean all three picks have been at positions of need but they were also good value picks as well.

Grams
04-29-2011, 09:32 PM
Too true. I guess I am conditioned to doubt the Texans ability to evaluate talent and draft properly.

It just hurts to look back at our drafts and look at the NUMEROUS mistakes we have made. To think we could have guys like Clay Matthews (who I swear to you I wanted over Brian Cushing), Patrick Willis (who I also wanted over Okoye), Darrel Revis, Devin McCourty, William Moore (who I wanted to draft over Barwin), and many more I simply can't think of right now.

:kubepalm:

How good would any of them been with our previous coaching staff?

Carr Bombed
04-29-2011, 09:36 PM
I really look forward to your comments but so far, I am NOT happy with this draft. Maybe I just don't know some of these players well enough but as of now, here are the players I would have rather had with our picks:

Nick Fairley (have we ever had a dominating NT let alone one that was talked about for a while as the #1 pick?!?), Robert Quinn, Prince Amukamara, Rahim Moore, Marvin Austin, & Stephen Paea. All of these guys seem like better and more proven players as well as guys that solve positions of need. My ideal draft would have gone like this:

1st: Robert Quinn
2nd: Rahim Moore
2nd: Stephen Paea (trade up a little earlier to get him by maybe including a 4th next year or something like that along with our 3rd and 5th this year)

This would have solved our need for a STUD rush LB, an excellent cover FS, and one of the strongest DTs I've ever seen. Don't know why we always have to go off and pick these no name guys? Did we not learn our lesson with guys like Babin?

Please, rip my post to pieces and make me feel better about all this.

Houston is kicking the crap out of this draft and they're making it their "PRAG".

I think it's pretty obvious why Houston didn't take Moore, they've already decided a LOOOONNGG time ago that Glover Quinn will be moving into that spot. The most important thing is to get impact players and starters and they've done that with every single one of their picks so far. They're having one of the best drafts in the entire league so far.

P.S.


Don't understand your Jason Babin comparison. The only thing they have in common is their skin color. They are two COMPLETELY different type of players.

b0ng
04-29-2011, 09:38 PM
What I don't understand is we have Antonio Smith and Mario Williams to start at DE. We could have drafted a stud rushing LB in Robert Quinn in the 1st (I was shocked he fell as far as he did), and then wouldn't have had to get one in the 2nd and thus could have used the 2nd round pick on a safety that caught 10 INTs a year ago. Plus in our entire history, we have never had a good safety (at least that I can think of).

To top it off, can any of you seriously tell me (or convince me) that DT wasn't WAY more of a need than DE?!? Our DTs SUCK!

Honestly I'm not that upset with getting Watt and his position because I seriously doubt Okoye, Jamison, and whatever other goofballs are behind AS and MW are good enough to be 3-4 ends. I also think that with Watt, Wade is going to use the guy along all 3 spots on the DL. Also, if picking Watt means that we can give Smith and Williams breathers throughout the game so that they can remain fresh all the way through the whole game then that is a good thing as well. I know some people don't like the idea of picking a 3-4 DE at the #11 spot, but if he plays and works out here nobody is going to give a shit when he was drafted.

It's obviously way too early to really judge how the draft is besides the old "They didn't get the player *I* wanted" at this stage, but so far they have picked players that I thought would be good fits here. I think the problem with Quinn, and of course this could be a total nothing and we might've missed out on a huge talent (And Quinn is a guy I wanted as well) but his motor and work-ethic have both been questioned as well as him being just 20 years old could've possibly scared off the brain trust.

I kinda see Watt as a better received Duane Brown type pick. He may not be a guy that sees multiple pro bowls but could easily be a large cog in a (hopefully) improving defense.

EDIT: As far as 3-4 NT goes, I'm not too upset they haven't picked one yet. Phil Taylor went really high, and I'm not totally sold that Paea would even be able to start this year. I think we're going to see a hell of a lot more of Watt/Reed than we would see of one of the big fatties. Fairley manning the nose could've been an unmitigated disaster if his work ethic and one-year-wonder concerns come to fruition.

EDIT2: It's totally okay not to like a draft though because as we all know the draft is one big gigantic crapshoot. But we didn't do something really dumb (like ATL did) and trade away our entire draft for one guy and I'm kind of glad we didn't do that. Peterson and Miller went really really high and I think we would've had to have given up a king's ransom to get it. I like this draft, so far, a lot more than I liked the 2010 draft.

FirstTexansFan
04-29-2011, 09:40 PM
I was looking for a polling option :)

Ckw
04-29-2011, 09:40 PM
i agree. They picked guys that aren't those uber flashy prospects, but guys that are durable, solid & work hard.............the last time this happened was in 2006 & well its no coincidence that that was our best draft ever.

I really hope I get to eat crow for this thread if you are right and this draft is anything close to the 2006 one.

????

What is the question? All the guys I listed were available at our pick in either the 1st or 2nd round.

Wade might be high on Quin moving to FS. Also with mario injured oftenly it would be nice to give him a guy to take some snaps

True about Mario. I guess we might as well trade him though if this is our thinking about him.

How good would any of them been with our previous coaching staff?

Touche. No argument there. Sadly, the same could be said about our current coaching staff.

:kubepalm::wadepalm:

And rep to all of you that I could rep that have commented. Have repped too much in 24 hours now.

Texan_Bill
04-29-2011, 09:40 PM
I really look forward to your comments but so far, I am NOT happy with this draft. Maybe I just don't know some of these players well enough but as of now, here are the players I would have rather had with our picks:

Nick Fairley (have we ever had a dominating NT let alone one that was talked about for a while as the #1 pick?!?), Robert Quinn, Prince Amukamara, Rahim Moore, Marvin Austin, & Stephen Paea. All of these guys seem like better and more proven players as well as guys that solve positions of need. My ideal draft would have gone like this:

1st: Robert Quinn
2nd: Rahim Moore
2nd: Stephen Paea (trade up a little earlier to get him by maybe including a 4th next year or something like that along with our 3rd and 5th this year)

This would have solved our need for a STUD rush LB, an excellent cover FS, and one of the strongest DTs I've ever seen. Don't know why we always have to go off and pick these no name guys? Did we not learn our lesson with guys like Babin?

Please, rip my post to pieces and make me feel better about all this.

Of course I wouldn't "rip" you CKW, but I happen to disagree with you. I'm pretty happy with the draft thus far. I think the Texans have drafted guys that can bring more energy to the defense. Are they the most talented? Not necessarily but talented nonetheless!!

Thorn
04-29-2011, 09:40 PM
Taking a guy rated to go in the 1st round at the tail end of the 2nd is not a need pick. I mean all three picks have been at positions of need but they were also good value picks as well.

Exactly. My thoughts as well. To bad I can't rep you, I would if I could. :)

Mr teX
04-29-2011, 09:45 PM
Honestly I'm not that upset with getting Watt and his position because I seriously doubt Okoye, Jamison, and whatever other goofballs are behind AS and MW are good enough to be 3-4 ends. I also think that with Watt, Wade is going to use the guy along all 3 spots on the DL. Also, if picking Watt means that we can give Smith and Williams breathers throughout the game so that they can remain fresh all the way through the whole game then that is a good thing as well. I know some people don't like the idea of picking a 3-4 DE at the #11 spot, but if he plays and works out here nobody is going to give a shit when he was drafted.

It's obviously way too early to really judge how the draft is besides the old "They didn't get the player *I* wanted" at this stage, but so far they have picked players that I thought would be good fits here. I think the problem with Quinn, and of course this could be a total nothing and we might've missed out on a huge talent (And Quinn is a guy I wanted as well) but his motor and work-ethic have both been questioned as well as him being just 20 years old could've possibly scared off the brain trust.

I kinda see Watt as a better received Duane Brown type pick. He may not be a guy that sees multiple pro bowls but could easily be a large cog in a (hopefully) improving defense.

EDIT: As far as 3-4 NT goes, I'm not too upset they haven't picked one yet. Phil Taylor went really high, and I'm not totally sold that Paea would even be able to start this year. I think we're going to see a hell of a lot more of Watt/Reed than we would see of one of the big fatties. Fairley manning the nose could've been an unmitigated disaster if his work ethic and one-year-wonder concerns come to fruition.

Another thing too is that Wade's 3-4 is a hybrid. It will often show that 4-3 look. In that regard, you don't need the traditional "fatty" clogging up the middle like other 3-4 systems. There is a huge premium placed on versatility & the guys they've picked thus far offer that in droves.

badboy
04-29-2011, 09:47 PM
I really look forward to your comments but so far, I am NOT happy with this draft. Maybe I just don't know some of these players well enough but as of now, here are the players I would have rather had with our picks:

Nick Fairley (have we ever had a dominating NT let alone one that was talked about for a while as the #1 pick?!?), Robert Quinn, Prince Amukamara, Rahim Moore, Marvin Austin, & Stephen Paea. All of these guys seem like better and more proven players as well as guys that solve positions of need. My ideal draft would have gone like this:

1st: Robert Quinn
2nd: Rahim Moore
2nd: Stephen Paea (trade up a little earlier to get him by maybe including a 4th next year or something like that along with our 3rd and 5th this year)

This would have solved our need for a STUD rush LB, an excellent cover FS, and one of the strongest DTs I've ever seen. Don't know why we always have to go off and pick these no name guys? Did we not learn our lesson with guys like Babin?

Please, rip my post to pieces and make me feel better about all this.
Since "ignorance " does not mean stupid but rather lack of knowledge, I will go with that. I am no guru but I do watch a lot of games and do beaucoup research then interact with two of the smartest guys on this board, Beerlover and Rmartin65 for years. We spend uncountable hours all year long tearing apart college players.

Robert Quinn was high on my list but has two things that stopped me from wanting him. A benign brain tumor that two doctors refused to say would not come back and effect his life. Two, he had only one very good year. Watt's stats and size speaks for themselves.

Moore is a very good FS prospect but info says Wade Phillips thinks Glover Quin will take care of FS. Quin was rated #7 free safety in nation prior to being drafted last year as a CB. Also, a safety I have rated higher than Moore, Duente Williams should be available in 4th if Wade wants him. He is sliding due to violations at North Carolina as did others and compared to the year before (a tremendous season) played only "ok". I don't think he forgot how to play but was in free fall.

Fairley has a questionable motor & viewed to need someone in his ear every play. We could not take a chance on that type guy. He is NOT a dominating Nose as you said. Probably a better 4-3 tackle.

Aukumara has very short arms that you do not want to see at corner. He has size and speed but skill were average at best. WHen I watched Nebraska I never saw what made him get the attention that many were chirping about.

Hope this helps with your bitterness as I and others think this could be the best draft ever for Texans. I will really stir up the MB by saying it is possible that Brandon Harris can be an Andre Johnson type player in 3-4 years. He has a 3 foot vertical leap.

Showtime100
04-29-2011, 09:49 PM
Exactly. My thoughts as well. To bad I can't rep you, I would if I could. :)

Got him. He made a good point and besides I owed him for the redheads he posted yesterday. :D

Htownsportsfan
04-29-2011, 09:49 PM
Taking a guy rated to go in the 1st round at the tail end of the 2nd is not a need pick. I mean all three picks have been at positions of need but they were also good value picks as well.

I agree and It was not my intention to sound negative about the Harris pick. I was trying to point out that our pick of Watt while there were many other DE's available is because he fit what Wade likes to do with his hybrid 3-4 D. The same could be said for the Brooks pick except I dont think their were as many good LB's that would have fit his style of play. Harris was one of only a hand full of DB's before a pretty major drop off. I am thrilled with the pick I was already trying to convince myself it would be ok and we could get DB help in FA. To get Harris was a damn nice surprise.

El Tejano
04-29-2011, 09:50 PM
We came into the draft needing to increase our pass rush and get another CB. We did that and we got players who were in the top rankings of their positions. Brooks Reed was considered to go in the first to Green Bay by many, and Harrison was the 3rd best corner in this draft. We basically got two first rounders and the best CB available. It's obvious that we now have a real Def. Coordinator and talent evaluator.

Heck, the team did so well I say we all give the FO a pass and let them get a TE like you know they want to - DJ Williams anyone?

mussop
04-29-2011, 09:51 PM
yes

TheMatrix31
04-29-2011, 09:54 PM
For someone like me who doesn't know much about college football, I'm definitely impressed with the picks and what you guys are saying about them.

HoustonFrog
04-29-2011, 09:56 PM
CK, don't you understand this is the best draft ever no matter what you say. Have you seen the Cowboys drafts the last 2 years with Wade? :). He can do no wrong no matter the position.

Having fun.

Hagar
04-29-2011, 09:58 PM
Please, rip my post to pieces and make me feel better about all this.

I usually love to rip people’s posts apart, but I'm having a hard time doing it. Your picks are not that bad and I could see us taking those guys too. I don't care for Robert Quinn due to the brain tumor. I have this mental picture of him sacking Payton Manning, and then flopping around like a chicken with its head chopped off in the middle of Reliant Stadium. It’s not pretty at all.

Sorry I couldn't help.

hradhak
04-29-2011, 10:00 PM
This draft is shaping up to be a solid one. I especially like the Brandon Harris pick. He was a high 2nd rounder on many mock drafts I've seen. Throwing a 3rd and 5th to get him was a good move and we got some good value. He probably won't start right away but he'll at least put pressure on KJ to perform and we play enough nickel that we need more depth.

I think Watt and Brooks are going to be quiet but will produce. They're not going to be household names, they certainly weren't coming in, but they'll put up solid numbers every year. We've got a solid front 7 for once and enough pass rushing talent to really put pressure on the QB. I'm hoping that with talent like that we can cover any gaps we have in our secondary.

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 10:02 PM
LMAO at your Jason Babin comparison. The only thing they have in common is their skin color. They are two COMPLETELY different style of players.

Babin's got an olive tinge to his complexion.


Honestly I'm not that upset with getting Watt and his position because I seriously doubt Okoye, Jamison, and whatever other goofballs are behind AS and MW are good enough to be 3-4 ends. I also think that with Watt, Wade is going to use the guy along all 3 spots on the DL. Also, if picking Watt means that we can give Smith and Williams breathers throughout the game so that they can remain fresh all the way through the whole game then that is a good thing as well. I know some people don't like the idea of picking a 3-4 DE at the #11 spot, but if he plays and works out here nobody is going to give a shit when he was drafted.


I was not happy at all with the JJ Watt pick. I had no idea DE was a big enough need to use a 1st round pick on. Not too happy about using a pick just outside of the top 10 on a situational 3-4 DE.

I was hoping someone would covet our pick to sneak up and get a QB. The Jags trading up to take Gabbart & the Titans taking Locker screwed that up.

I wasn't in love with anyone else available to tell you the truth, just didn't like the position.

I did like Brooks Reed in the second, though I was upset that we didn't get Brandon Harris at that spot. But to end up with both Reed & Harris, I'm happy.

I'm truly happy.

b0ng
04-29-2011, 10:09 PM
I usually love to rip peopleís posts apart, but I'm having a hard time doing it. Your picks are not that bad and I could see us taking those guys too. I don't care for Robert Quinn due to the brain tumor. I have this mental picture of him sacking Payton Manning, and then flopping around like a chicken with its head chopped off in the middle of Reliant Stadium. Itís not pretty at all.

Sorry I couldn't help.

I think worrying about the brain tumor might be a little overboard but being worried about what people were saying about his work ethic and motor are perfectly fine.

That being said, I probably would've taken him over Watt but I'm not very upset with the Watt pick.

hradhak
04-29-2011, 10:25 PM
It amazes me that Wisconsin didn't take one look at Watt at 6-5 290 (I'm sure he wasn't that height and weight when he stepped on to campus) and give him a scholarship. I'm actually psyched about the pick because I think he'll be better than most people thought. His height, size, and speed remind me a lot of Mario, but I think what he lacks in freakish athletic ability that Mario has, he'll make up for with his work ethic and never quit attitude.

gtexan02
04-29-2011, 10:42 PM
One more thing:

The Texans are drafting players who are all high character, hard working, football first guys. Real players of passion.


Guys like Fairley and other big name prospects who have concerns about work ethic and things of the sort---what do you think they're going to do if theres a lockout? Who has a better chance of ending up lazy, out of shape, in jail, etc? A guy like Watt or a guy like Fairley? We can't afford to msis on our #1 this year. Fairely had a history of dirty play and roller coaster effort. They went with a safer choice

The Pencil Neck
04-29-2011, 11:08 PM
I really look forward to your comments but so far, I am NOT happy with this draft. Maybe I just don't know some of these players well enough but as of now, here are the players I would have rather had with our picks:

Nick Fairley (have we ever had a dominating NT let alone one that was talked about for a while as the #1 pick?!?), Robert Quinn, Prince Amukamara, Rahim Moore, Marvin Austin, & Stephen Paea. All of these guys seem like better and more proven players as well as guys that solve positions of need. My ideal draft would have gone like this:

1st: Robert Quinn
2nd: Rahim Moore
2nd: Stephen Paea (trade up a little earlier to get him by maybe including a 4th next year or something like that along with our 3rd and 5th this year)

This would have solved our need for a STUD rush LB, an excellent cover FS, and one of the strongest DTs I've ever seen. Don't know why we always have to go off and pick these no name guys? Did we not learn our lesson with guys like Babin?

Please, rip my post to pieces and make me feel better about all this.

First off, we didn't pick "no name" guys.

Frequently during the Texans drafts we're all kinda scratching our heads and having to figure out who these guys are because we picked guys that we weren't expecting to be picked.

This year, they're picking guys we know and expected and wanted.

This is a MONSTER draft so far.

Secondly, I would have drafted a little more similarly to you. I would have gone for Quin with that first pick -- although you have to remember that Quin is a real risk pick. I absolutely didn't want Amukamara or Fairley for entirely different reasons.

I didn't want us going DL with the first pick; I wanted to make sure we got a good rush LB. I expected us to go rush linebacker in the first and then some sort of DB in the second and then NT in the third.

But Watt is a high motor guy and definitely a quality starter. We may move Smith and Watt could easily step in as an upgrade and give us a beast across from Mario. If we don't move Smith, we can at least put him into the rotation... AND both Smith and Watt can play NT in passing situations and we could have a monster front 3. Watt could even stand up and rush from the OLB in passing situations.

With Brooks Reed... I expected him to go in the first. I wouldn't have been too pissed taking him in the first round. Getting him in the 2nd is excellent and he is an automatic starter at LB.

With Mario, Reed, and Watt and Barwin, we could play that crazy defense were all our front seven are moving around and creating chaos with the blocking assignments.

THEN, to move up and get Brandon Harris? Aw, dude. Stop. You're killing me. I think Brandon Harris is worlds better than Rahim Moore. Rahim Moore worried me because he was maybe the second best FS in a FS class that didn't have a lot of top end.

I'm psyched about this draft.

And now at the top of the 4th, we've got the chance to either go FS with a Deunta Williams or a Quinton Carter or SS with Tyler Sash or Ahmad Black or Robert Sands OR still get a pretty good NT like Jerrell Powe or Ian Williams. Heck, at this point I'd even be fine with getting a WR like Tandon Doss or Edmund Gates or another rush linebacker like Sam Acho (who's actually the highest rated guy left on my board right now.)

Dutchrudder
04-29-2011, 11:26 PM
How good would any of them been with our previous coaching staff?

What a terrible comment to make. We have had plenty of talented players make pro-bowls and garner All-pro awards. You can see it all around the league, outstanding players in spite of a poor team performance. There is no reason to think guys like Wiilis, Revis, etc wouldn't shine despite poor coaching.