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PockyAF
04-29-2011, 08:25 PM
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nytexan
04-29-2011, 08:29 PM
Profootball Weekly info:

As a true freshman in 2008, started 6-of-13 games at left cornerback and posted 30 tackles, three pass breakups and one interception. Also returned 13 kickoffs for 274 yards (21.1-yard average). Started all 13 games in ’09 — nine at LCB, four at nickel — and tied for third nationally in passes defended (17), logging 58-15-2 with six tackles for loss, a sack and three forced fumbles. Added 2-63 (31.5) on kickoff returns. In ’10, posted 44-10-1 with one tackle for loss and one forced fumble in 13 starts. Also ran track for the Hurricanes.

Positives: Well-proportioned build. Football-smart and instinctive — has a feel for the game. Natural bender with quickness and fluid movement skills. Transitions smoothly without wasted movement. Outstanding production on the ball. Aggressive in run support and is a physical, aggressive tackler. Has lined up inside and outside. Mentally tough coach’s son. Well-respected by teammates and coaches. Is passionate about football and works at his craft. Tough, durable and smart.

Negatives: Lacks ideal height and has short arms and small hands. Could stand to improve press strength. Lacks elite top-end speed and recovery burst. Tends to clutch and grab in the slot. Did not consistently lock receivers down. Could stand to hone zone eyes, ball recognition and finishing ability — produced only four interceptions in three years. Struggled to match up with the size of Notre Dame’s Michael Floyd in the Sun Bowl.

Summary: Measured smaller than scouts would like but is a confident, competitive, instinctive, physical corner with a balanced skill set and no glaring weaknesses. Possesses natural cover skills, a balanced skill set and a professional makeup that should enable him to become a solid, dependable starter.

NFL projection: First-round pick.

CloakNNNdagger
04-29-2011, 08:31 PM
I don't know that I can listen to 610 and their spinning anymore..........

"We just got 2 picks...........Quinn moves to safety."

We still have no starting CB that we can reasonably to step in. He's not a starter.....at best a nickel...............and we have no 3rd and 5th.

I'm sorry, I have a great deal of trouble getting excited.

jaayteetx
04-29-2011, 08:32 PM
I don't know that I can listen to 610 and their spinning anymore..........

"We just got 2 picks...........Quinn moves to safety."

We still have no starting CB that we can reasonably to step in. He's not a starter.....at best a nickel...............and we have no 3rd and 5th.

I'm sorry, I have a great deal of trouble getting excited.

I'm with ya on this one. We need to pick up a veteran or two to add to the secondary, IMO.

infantrycak
04-29-2011, 08:32 PM
Highlights. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0yjcu9CJvc)

We just got a guy projected to be late 1st or early 2nd. Why is that a bad thing?

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2011, 08:34 PM
I think its value.

If Glover is the answer at safety and this enables it I am ok with it.

If Glover is not, our CBs are still going to look AWFUL with bad safety play, no matter who the corner is, even a big name FA.

The Cush
04-29-2011, 08:34 PM
ESPN Insider's scouting report...

Production

2 2008: (13/6) 30 total tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack, 3 PBU, 1 INT. 2009: (13/13) 52 total tackles, 6 TFL, 1 sack, 15 PBU, 2 INT.2010: (13/13) 44 total tackles, 1 TFL, 10 PBU, INT.

Height-Weight-Speed

3 A bit on the short side but has prototypical bulk and possesses excellent top-end speed.

Durability

1 Played in all 39 games during his three seasons at Miami.

Intangibles

1 All-ACC Academic Team in 2008. Hard worker. Passionate about the game. Coaches' son (father, Tim Harris, was named USA Today National High School Coach of the Year in 2007).

1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal

Cornerback Specific Traits

Instincts/Recognition

3 Does not get caught peeking in the backfield. Shows good natural instincts in man-to-man coverage. Showed improvement during junior season with recognition/reaction in zone coverage. Is confident in his ability, will not back down versus top competition and has proven capable of immediately bouncing back from mistakes. Also not afraid to mix it up.

Cover Skills

2 A very good natural athlete with quick feet, great balance and fluid hips. Could be more compact in his pedal but shows good burst out of it and excellent closing speed when the ball is in the air. Does a nice job of wrapping up and limiting yards after catch. Is physical enough to hold up in bump-and-run coverage in the NFL, but needs work on technique and get more game reps.

Ball Skills

3 Knows when to attack the ball and when to attack the body. Does not have great INT production and lacks elite playmaking ability. Can have trouble turning and locating the ball in a timely manner on occasion. However, he flashes solid hands. Can pluck away from his frame and over his head.

Run Support

2 Has adequate size, strength and enough willingness to become an effective run support cornerback in the NFL. Takes solid angles when pursuing from the backside. Can do a better job of finishing in space. Shows adequate power for the position but leads with his shoulder too frequently and needs to learn when to break down and wrap up.

1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal

His Scout's Inc's grade was an 85

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2011, 08:34 PM
Would rather have waited and gone DT or true S.

Blake
04-29-2011, 08:36 PM
we have no 3rd and 5th.



You are right that we have no 5th. But we turned our 3rd into a 2nd.

jaayteetx
04-29-2011, 08:37 PM
Highlights. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0yjcu9CJvc)

We just got a guy projected to be late 1st or early 2nd. Why is that a bad thing?

Not sure how he is gonna match up against big, powerful NFL wide outs.

PockyAF
04-29-2011, 08:38 PM
I don't know that I can listen to 610 and their spinning anymore..........

"We just got 2 picks...........Quinn moves to safety."

We still have no starting CB that we can reasonably to step in. He's not a starter.....at best a nickel...............and we have no 3rd and 5th.

I'm sorry, I have a great deal of trouble getting excited.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Hopefully the Texans, with an actual competent DC, will learn that starting a rookie CB along with a 2nd young CB is a horrid decisions.

Lance Z wrote a while back that we're going to show a huge amount of interests in Ike Taylor, which would be a tremendous addition to our young secondary if we manage to get him. Hopefully that's not just smoke and there's a bonfire, being fueled by a propane tank, to it.

Plus, LZ been advocating Quin manning one of the safeties spot since the day we draft him, so I'm excited to see Wade put that idea in play.

I'll be very comfortable with this line up in our backfield:

LCB - Ike Taylor
SS - TBD
FS - Glover Quin
RCB - KJack

Nickle - Jason Allen
Dime - Brandon Harris (bring him up properly)

ATXtexanfan
04-29-2011, 08:40 PM
i'm good with our three picks so far, why not move up and improve the secondary. big drop off after him

Rey
04-29-2011, 08:40 PM
He's a more physical Brice McCain...

But he's a better corner than Brice McCain.

McMannis, Molden, McCain....I'd like to see us pick up a good vet (Ike Taylor, Nmamdi) and cut one of the aforementioned...

badboy
04-29-2011, 08:43 PM
I don't know that I can listen to 610 and their spinning anymore..........

"We just got 2 picks...........Quinn moves to safety."

We still have no starting CB that we can reasonably to step in. He's not a starter.....at best a nickel...............and we have no 3rd and 5th.

I'm sorry, I have a great deal of trouble getting excited.

He is a starter over KJ and if no vet CB he can be the #1 corner. He's better than any CB even Peterson in this draft as he watches the WR rather than looking back at QB. With Quin over the top and our linebackers getting to QB, we will be much better. He doesn't get many INTs but does knock down more passes. Unlike Pbuck that he has been compared to, Harris will tackle. He does not look pretty doing it but almost never misses bringing the WR to the ground. I only wished he was the 5'11" he was listed at prior to combine rather than 5'91/2". If beat, he has make up speed.

LikeMike
04-29-2011, 08:43 PM
I don't know that I can listen to 610 and their spinning anymore..........

"We just got 2 picks...........Quinn moves to safety."

We still have no starting CB that we can reasonably to step in. He's not a starter.....at best a nickel...............and we have no 3rd and 5th.

I'm sorry, I have a great deal of trouble getting excited.

Outside of Peterson there was no starting CB in this years draft for us. We still need that veteran. But that doesn`t mean, that we can`t use Harris. Pair up the veteran and KJax on the outside, get Quinn to safety and Harris at nickel. Let him fight with KJax for a starting job - great depth, great competition and insurance at our absolute worst position. A first round talent for a 3d and a 5th. I don`t know how that is a bad pick.

Mr teX
04-29-2011, 08:50 PM
Good aggressive move that many in here complain that we don't do enough of. In addition to this, the kid has the potential to be a great number 2 if he develops and he could also contribute in special teams. I can't see how people don't like this pick. Our draft so far is shaping up to be really good so far I mean we basically parlayed our 3rd rounder for a guy that was thought to have 1st round talent. How can you be mad at that?

Jackie Chiles
04-29-2011, 08:51 PM
Outside of Peterson there was no starting CB in this years draft for us. We still need that veteran. But that doesn`t mean, that we can`t use Harris. Pair up the veteran and KJax on the outside, get Quinn to safety and Harris at nickel. Let him fight with KJax for a starting job - great depth, great competition and insurance at our absolute worst position. A first round talent for a 3d and a 5th. I don`t know how that is a bad pick.

Well said, This secondary needs reinforcements from the draft and free agency and drafting Harris in no way limits our options in FA.

phantom17
04-29-2011, 08:56 PM
I love this pick & as long it's Wade's guy, then I can't complain! If this guy was 5'11or taller- he would be a mid to late 1st rd pick!:) I think we could still get a quality guy in the 4th as long as it's pick by Wade!

phantom17
04-29-2011, 08:56 PM
Good aggressive move that many in here complain that we don't do enough of. In addition to this, the kid has the potential to be a great number 2 if he develops and he could also contribute in special teams. I can't see how people don't like this pick. Our draft so far is shaping up to be really good so far I mean we basically parlayed our 3rd rounder for a guy that was thought to have 1st round talent. How can you be mad at that?

:bravo: I love that our 3 draft picks are graded 1st rd talent by alot of evaluator & mock drafts!

disaacks3
04-29-2011, 08:58 PM
Highlights. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0yjcu9CJvc)

We just got a guy projected to be late 1st or early 2nd. Why is that a bad thing? It's not bad, but we still need a FA vet that's better (at least this year).

He is a starter over KJ and if no vet CB he can be the #1 corner. He's better than any CB even Peterson in this draft as he watches the WR rather than looking back at QB. With Quin over the top and our linebackers getting to QB, we will be much better. He doesn't get many INTs but does knock down more passes. Unlike Pbuck that he has been compared to, Harris will tackle. He does not look pretty doing it but almost never misses bringing the WR to the ground. I only wished he was the 5'11" he was listed at prior to combine rather than 5'91/2". If beat, he has make up speed. Time to put down the crack pipe and step away. Peterson was the best CB in the draft by a wide margin.

CloakNNNdagger
04-29-2011, 08:59 PM
He is a starter over KJ and if no vet CB he can be the #1 corner. He's better than any CB even Peterson in this draft as he watches the WR rather than looking back at QB. With Quin over the top and our linebackers getting to QB, we will be much better. He doesn't get many INTs but does knock down more passes. Unlike Pbuck that he has been compared to, Harris will tackle. He does not look pretty doing it but almost never misses bringing the WR to the ground. I only wished he was the 5'11" he was listed at prior to combine rather than 5'91/2". If beat, he has make up speed.

You're beginning to scare me.:eek:

gtexan02
04-29-2011, 09:17 PM
You are right that we have no 5th. But we turned our 3rd into a 2nd.

Exactly. Giving up a 5th to move up into the late 2nd seems to be extremely good value

Playoffs
04-29-2011, 09:20 PM
...We just got a guy projected to be late 1st or early 2nd. Why is that a bad thing?
In a normal year, a 3rd round grade -- Mayock

Playoffs
04-29-2011, 09:27 PM
But...

It's the best read & react I've seen from the Texans in a year -- on or off the field.

"Big dropoff" at CB after Harris ... so they had to make a move, and actually did. Bravo!

hradhak
04-29-2011, 10:20 PM
I'm liking the pick a lot. This isn't a very strong year for CB. Peterson and Amukamara were far and away #1 and #2. Harris is not going to be better than these 2, but he'll definitely add depth.

I'm wondering if moving Quin to FS is to then allow Jason Allen to step in as the starter until Harris takes over or takes KJ's spot. Either way I think this will be good and we now have a defensive coach who can actually train these guys.

Either way, this was a great pick. We finally have enough talent that we probably won't sign all our draft picks so why not throw away a 5th to move up and get an extra 2nd rounder. I think in the 3rd round we would have ended up having to take another d-lineman had we not made the move. There isn't much left with CB at this point

Norg
04-29-2011, 10:30 PM
So we gave a 3rd and 5th to move up ?????

Norg
04-29-2011, 10:41 PM
Nevermind we basically just lost a 5th 2 move up

Anyway looks like there going all d in the draft there going hardcore

GuerillaBlack
04-29-2011, 11:31 PM
I'm liking the pick a lot. This isn't a very strong year for CB. Peterson and Amukamara were far and away #1 and #2. Harris is not going to be better than these 2, but he'll definitely add depth.

I'm wondering if moving Quin to FS is to then allow Jason Allen to step in as the starter until Harris takes over or takes KJ's spot. Either way I think this will be good and we now have a defensive coach who can actually train these guys.

Either way, this was a great pick. We finally have enough talent that we probably won't sign all our draft picks so why not throw away a 5th to move up and get an extra 2nd rounder. I think in the 3rd round we would have ended up having to take another d-lineman had we not made the move. There isn't much left with CB at this point

Lets hope we go after Nnamdi or Taylor in free agency. Don't like the thought of Allen as our #1.

Big Lou
04-29-2011, 11:47 PM
First off I read on walterfootball.com that Charley Casserly isn't impressed with Harris, so I know think this was the steal of the draft. He was rated in some scouting reports as a first rounder. I'm OK with but we'll see.

Also I see a lot of people line ups, and very few people are listing Jason Allen. Did I miss something did we cut him or something. He's currently the best CB on the team until we can hopefully sign Taylor or God willing Aso. If we sign a true #1 CB in FA, Allen should be our second with KJ and Harris competing for Nickel should GQ move to FS.

P.S. I see our current #1 CB situation like this Allen 1A, and GQ 1B.....

Dutchrudder
04-29-2011, 11:49 PM
Talk all you want about Harris, but I think the team is planning on signing a their #1 CB in free agency. No way are we starting KJ and Harris at CB. Unless Wade really really wants Kubiaks job...

Corrosion
04-29-2011, 11:51 PM
I don't know that I can listen to 610 and their spinning anymore..........

"We just got 2 picks...........Quinn moves to safety."

We still have no starting CB that we can reasonably to step in. He's not a starter.....at best a nickel...............and we have no 3rd and 5th.

I'm sorry, I have a great deal of trouble getting excited.

I can understaznd your reservations - But we got our #3 in the late second round at the expense of .... picking another TE. Harris was thought by many to be a late first rounder. I think its excellent value .....


I agree that Harris is likely the 3rd corner. BUT if KJ doesnt get it together , he may be the #2. We still have FA to go thru .... whenever they decide to quit arguin about who gets what part of the $9billion.

I expect they go after at least one of the top two CB's - From what I hear , Namdi is a real possibility. (Dont ask for a source .... cause I wont give one.)
If they cant land one of Taylor or Asomugha they still have lots of options to fix the back end .... leaving Quin at CB and looking elsewhere (FA) to fix the FS spot as well as adding an SS.


I also expect they draft at least one SS/FS on the final day of the draft.

Rey
04-30-2011, 12:03 AM
First off I read on walterfootball.com that Charley Casserly isn't impressed with Harris, so I know think this was the steal of the draft. He was rated in some scouting reports as a first rounder. I'm OK with but we'll see.

Also I see a lot of people line ups, and very few people are listing Jason Allen. Did I miss something did we cut him or something. He's currently the best CB on the team until we can hopefully sign Taylor or God willing Aso. If we sign a true #1 CB in FA, Allen should be our second with KJ and Harris competing for Nickel should GQ move to FS.

P.S. I see our current #1 CB situation like this Allen 1A, and GQ 1B.....

I think K-Jax is better than Allen. JMO.

But really I think that drafting Harris really doesn't say a lot about the rotation there...I think it really says that McMannis, Molden or McCain (or some combination) won't make the team...

I think if we get a starting corner in FA, Harris will compete with Allen for the nickle spot. I don't see either of those two being better than Kareem this next season...

TEXANS84
04-30-2011, 12:09 AM
Really people?

Last "U" draft picks that work include: R. Butler, E. Winston, A. Johnson, D. Sharpton...etc....

I'm ok w/it...ain't no Phillip Buchanan!

b0ng
04-30-2011, 12:14 AM
Brandon Harris's twitter handle: @HarrisNOFLYZONE

Yes.

Corrosion
04-30-2011, 12:21 AM
Brandon Harris's twitter handle: @HarrisNOFLYZONE

Yes.

I like that ..... :wild:

OMG fix your sig to HHWNBM!

Dutchrudder
04-30-2011, 12:26 AM
brandon harris's twitter handle: @harrisnoflyzone

yes.

win!

Tx Longhorn
04-30-2011, 03:19 AM
Harris and Kareem Jackson could mesh well. Both have a nose for the ball, both have natural coverage skills. Neither will wind up with a large number of picks, and I have concerns both will have trouble against the bigger WRs. I wonder aloud if Harris MIGHT be able to adjust to this though, working with Andre Johnson in practice (having to cover him) might help him in that regard.

Now that Jackson won't have to be all over the field to defend blown coverages by his teammates in the secondary, he can focus more on his man-to-man and zone coverage. I feel confident there. I also feel confident Harris can man the other side of the field and has more recovery time and isn't one who's going to give up many big plays.

I still think the Texans need another cover corner.. Or FS/SS who's a hawk against the bigger WR. I think with the three CB they have now, they can mix and match with the two starting and nickel role.

DocBar
04-30-2011, 03:40 AM
Harris and Kareem Jackson could mesh well. Both have a nose for the ball, both have natural coverage skills. Neither will wind up with a large number of picks, and I have concerns both will have trouble against the bigger WRs. I wonder aloud if Harris MIGHT be able to adjust to this though, working with Andre Johnson in practice (having to cover him) might help him in that regard.

Now that Jackson won't have to be all over the field to defend blown coverages by his teammates in the secondary, he can focus more on his man-to-man and zone coverage. I feel confident there. I also feel confident Harris can man the other side of the field and has more recovery time and isn't one who's going to give up many big plays.

I still think the Texans need another cover corner.. Or FS/SS who's a hawk against the bigger WR. I think with the three CB they have now, they can mix and match with the two starting and nickel role. Huh? KJ needs to learn how to not fall down.

phantom17
04-30-2011, 03:49 AM
First off I read on walterfootball.com that Charley Casserly isn't impressed with Harris, so I know think this was the steal of the draft. He was rated in some scouting reports as a first rounder. I'm OK with but we'll see.

Also I see a lot of people line ups, and very few people are listing Jason Allen. Did I miss something did we cut him or something. He's currently the best CB on the team until we can hopefully sign Taylor or God willing Aso. If we sign a true #1 CB in FA, Allen should be our second with KJ and Harris competing for Nickel should GQ move to FS.

P.S. I see our current #1 CB situation like this Allen 1A, and GQ 1B.....



I agree! CC fairly sucked at drafting/reaches, along with his goofy/desperate deals. ie- J. Babin, Pburnt, & Hollings (RB), etc....! The list goes on!

TEXANRED
04-30-2011, 09:58 AM
Highlights. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0yjcu9CJvc)

We just got a guy projected to be late 1st or early 2nd. Why is that a bad thing?

Watching that reminds me of Jacques Reeves.

I was a Reeves fan so it's not a bad think for me. Just wondering why you would cut a guy and then draft a "like guy" a year later.

infantrycak
04-30-2011, 10:20 AM
Watching that reminds me of Jacques Reeves.

I was a Reeves fan so it's not a bad think for me. Just wondering why you would cut a guy and then draft a "like guy" a year later.

I was reminded of Jacques Reeves except in a good way. My impression was could stay tight like Reeves but had the ball awareness to turn and make plays which would be a huge upgrade. Being so tight keeps QB's from throwing and even if they do leaves you in a position to stick a hand in the mix and jack things up. Can't do that from three yards away. And I thought it was a mistake to get rid of Reeves anyway.

Texecutioner
04-30-2011, 10:32 AM
LOl at the fact that Jaque Reeves actually had fans around here. The guy was terrible. If that is still the standard that people are okay with around here for DB's than it's no wonder Rick Smith and Kubiak fail to address the secondary every year in free agency.

thunderkyss
04-30-2011, 10:37 AM
I don't know that I can listen to 610 and their spinning anymore..........

"We just got 2 picks...........Quinn moves to safety."

We still have no starting CB that we can reasonably to step in. He's not a starter.....at best a nickel...............and we have no 3rd and 5th.

I'm sorry, I have a great deal of trouble getting excited.

Absolutely worst case scenario right now.
Jason Allen & Kareem Jackson are given the starting spot. Brandon Harris is given the nickel.


I have never doubted that we will do something in FA to bring a starting corner back to Houston. I also think we'll see a starting safety as well.

So I think we'll end up with:
A corner back no one is thinking of. Not necessarily a FA most likely a trade. Try to think about a team that could use Antonio Smith, Steve Slaton, & Antwan Molden.

Kareem Jackson, Jason Allen, Brandon Harris, Sherrick McManis, and Brice McCain will compete for the second starting spot, the nickel, & two back-up spots. Brandon Harris & Sherrick McManis can play special teams as returners.

thunderkyss
04-30-2011, 10:39 AM
LOl at the fact that Jaque Reeves actually had fans around here. The guy was terrible. If that is still the standard that people are okay with around here for DB's than it's no wonder Rick Smith and Kubiak fail to address the secondary every year in free agency.

Funny thing, I think.

Reeves was a better football player before he came here. Someone in our organization ruined a bad football player.

badboy
04-30-2011, 10:40 AM
It's not bad, but we still need a FA vet that's better (at least this year).

Time to put down the crack pipe and step away. Peterson was the best CB in the draft by a wide margin.Not what I said 3; perhaps you need to put down the crack pipe, take a nap, eat a good meal and read the post again. I said Harris was better at watching the receiver rather than the QB. This allows him to time his move on the ball.

Texecutioner
04-30-2011, 10:43 AM
Funny thing, I think.

Reeves was a better football player before he came here. Someone in our organization ruined a bad football player.

He was horrible with the Cowboys.

badboy
04-30-2011, 10:51 AM
You're beginning to scare me.:eek:

Why? We know how KJ did as a bump & run CB. Harris is a cover type that will run with the WR not try to bump the receiver off his route, miss or get manhandled out of the play then have to scramble to make up. There is a solid chance that we will not get a vet FA that can eliminate our concern @ the #1 slot. Glover Quin was the best CB last season not KJ. Quin is the new FS. I want a good vet CB but wanting something does not equal Texans getting it.

Texecutioner
04-30-2011, 11:05 AM
Why? We know how KJ did as a bump & run CB. Harris is a cover type that will run with the WR not try to bump the receiver off his route, miss or get manhandled out of the play then have to scramble to make up. There is a solid chance that we will not get a vet FA that can eliminate our concern @ the #1 slot. Glover Quin was the best CB last season not KJ. Quin is the new FS. I want a good vet CB but wanting something does not equal Texans getting it.

Why are you guys so certain that Quinn will be able to just move to safety and he's going to be some easy fix there? Sure it's possible, but I don't understand this sentiment like it's just some easy move that will work out with no problems. It seems like any time we draft a CB or get a stop gap type of guy in free agency people in here think our problems are automatically solved before the guy ever plays a down. I'd think that people would remember how many failed projects we've had in our secondary over the years and wouldn't be so quick to think that every new player here is going to be the answer. I think Quinn might make a nice safety and all. He certainly can hit, but I won't assume that it's just some transition that will work just because.

infantrycak
04-30-2011, 11:09 AM
LOl at the fact that Jaque Reeves actually had fans around here. The guy was terrible. If that is still the standard that people are okay with around here for DB's than it's no wonder Rick Smith and Kubiak fail to address the secondary every year in free agency.

I hate when people can't see the narrow point of a comparison. Reeves was excellent with being on the hip of his WR. That was the comparison. The contrast was Reeves was horrible on ball awareness so despite how close he was would not make the play on the ball. Harris has very good ball awareness. He goes more for PD's than INT's but either way the pass isn't complete. He is also much better at run/pass recognition.

wolf123
04-30-2011, 11:14 AM
If you read the coaches quotes, It basically says that quinn will be a starting safety and that their not as high on Troy Nolen.

Texecutioner
04-30-2011, 11:22 AM
I hate when people can't see the narrow point of a comparison. Reeves was excellent with being on the hip of his WR. That was the comparison. The contrast was Reeves was horrible on ball awareness so despite how close he was would not make the play on the ball. Harris has very good ball awareness. He goes more for PD's than INT's but either way the pass isn't complete. He is also much better at run/pass recognition.

My point was that Reeves was horrible here. Spin that all you want, but he was. He was horrible with the Cowboys before we got him and Frog specifically tried to tell many that as well at the time. The fact that he had fans here and still does is mind boggling at this point. He may have been better than the other trio of bad CB's we've had over the years, but that didn't change the fact that he was garbage.

And why don't we wait and see what Harris does before acting like he's that great of a pick just yet. Lets not forget how great people thought Kareem Jackson was going to be and how NFL ready he supposedly was. We also had Moulden and Bennet that everyone was so high on. Harris has potential and he wasn't a bad pick or anything, but I don't get all the excitement right away. It seems like people think that every time we pick a CB that we've automatically nailed it.

MFG16
04-30-2011, 11:26 AM
I love this pick as well as what the Texans have done with the other picks. Harris reminds me of Brandon Flowers from KC, and his a beast. If we can get a solid number one corner in FA, I wouldn't mind having Harris as our number two.

badboy
04-30-2011, 11:29 AM
I can understaznd your reservations - But we got our #3 in the late second round at the expense of .... picking another TE. Harris was thought by many to be a late first rounder. I think its excellent value .....


I agree that Harris is likely the 3rd corner. BUT if KJ doesnt get it together , he may be the #2. We still have FA to go thru .... whenever they decide to quit arguin about who gets what part of the $9billion.

I expect they go after at least one of the top two CB's - From what I hear , Namdi is a real possibility. (Dont ask for a source .... cause I wont give one.)
If they cant land one of Taylor or Asomugha they still have lots of options to fix the back end .... leaving Quin at CB and looking elsewhere (FA) to fix the FS spot as well as adding an SS.


I also expect they draft at least one SS/FS on the final day of the draft.

Consider Chris Prosinski FS/SS Wyoming 6'1" 201 lbs: 03/22/2011 - NFL Draft Scout Riser: Chris Prosinski, FS, Wyoming: A very productive tackler in college, Prosinski surprised scouts with his athleticism; few expected the All-Mountain West pick to post a 4.39 40, 39 1/2-inch vertical, 4.28 short shuttle, and 11-foot-2-inch broad jump. That sort of performance may earn him late-round consideration, especially in a weak safety class. - Chad Reuter, NFLDraftScout.com

•Full Chris Prosinski News Wire
Overview
Though Prosinski stayed in his home state of Wyoming, he could have gone to schools like Boise State, Georgia Tech, Harvard and Princeton. Getting recruited by good football programs and Ivy League schools is a clue about his strong combination of athleticism and intelligence -- something his play for the Cowboys also made evident.

He received one of five prestigious National Football Foundation National High School Scholar-Athlete awards before his redshirt season, and his first year on the field saw him rack up 37 tackles in reserve duty. He then earned honorable-mention Mountain West honors in 2008 (88 tackles, three interceptions, nine pass breakups), second-team all-conference accolades in 2009 (140 tackles, 3.5 TFL, six PBUs, two forced fumbles) and 2010 (108 tackles, two INTs, five PBUs, two FF).

Prosinski's excellent pro day workout (4.39 40, 39.5-inch vertical, 4.28 short shuttle, 6.85 three-cone), in addition to his durability, intelligence and production, will help regional scouts to sell their superiors on the tough safety's merits as a late-round addition to the roster.

Analysis
Positives: Centerfielder with straight-line speed and high football intelligence. Excellent closing speed when getting to the sideline or to ballcarriers over the middle. Most secure tackler on the team when technique is sound, keeps legs moving and uses arms to wrap after contact. Also cuts down ballcarriers with his shoulder when coming downhill. Recognizes routes coming into his area and has the recovery speed to get the angle on running backs down the opposite sideline and deep throws from play-action. Breaks up passes in front of receivers, at times making the interception, without interfering. Team captain in 2010.

Negatives: Sometimes resorts to ducking his head on open-field tackles instead of staying low and square. Not an intimidating hitter. Hesitates when plays slow down instead of inserting himself into the pile to prevent further yardage. Engulfed near the line on run plays by linemen and larger tight ends. Inconsistent finding his way through trash when flying up into the box.

--Chad Reuter

2010 Season
Prosinski ended his career ranked No. 4 in career tackles at UW with 373 career tackles. He ranked No. 3 in the MWC and No. 42 in the NCAA in tackles this season, averaging 9.0 tackles per game. He led Wyoming in tackles with a total of 108 in 2010, marking the second consecutive season in which he had over 100 tackles in a season. He had 140 in 2009.

2009 Season
Prosinski was voted Second Team All-Mountain West Conference at the conclusion of the 2009 season in balloting by the nine MWC head coaches and media from around the conference. He led Wyoming in tackles in `09, with 140. That ranks as the fourth best single-season tackle total in Wyoming school history. He also led all MWC defensive backs in tackles in `09. His single-game high in 2009 was 17 tackles versus No. 2 Texas. That ranked as the 18th best single-game tackle total in the country in `09. He had 16 tackles versus No. 25 ranked BYU and 13 each versus UNLV and No. 4 ranked TCU. Against TCU, he also returned a fumble 98 yards for a touchdown. Prosinski was credited with 12 tackles on the road at No. 19 ranked Utah. He earned MWC Defensive Player of the Week honors for his performance at Colorado State. Prosinski had 10 tackles, forced one fumble and made a huge tackle on third down and goal at the Wyoming four-yard line that forced CSU into a field goal and kept the Cowboys within two points at 16-14. Wyoming would later kick a field goal to capture a 17-16 victory over CSU. For the second consecutive year, he earned Academic All-Conference recognition. Prosinski was named his team's Defensive Back of the Year at the annual awards banquet.

2008 Season
In his first season as a starter, Prosinski earned Honorable Mention All-Conference accolades. He led the team in passes defended in 2008, with 12. That ranked him No. 4 in the MWC and No. 38 in the nation. He tied for the team lead in interceptions with senior linebacker Ward Dobbs -- each had three interceptions on the season. That also tied him for fourth best in the MWC and 96th nationally. Prosinski ranked No. 3 in total tackles for UW, with 88, and he ranked No. 15 in the Mountain West in that category. He had a season high 15 tackles at New Mexico. His other double-digit tackle performance came against Air Force, with 13 total tackles. He was credited with nine tackles in two other games -- versus Utah and at UNLV. Against North Dakota State, Prosinski intercepted two passes, broke up a third pass and recorded seven tackles. His third interception of the season came in the season finale versus Colorado State. Prosinski achieved Academic All-Conference honors for the first time in his UW career.

2007 Season
Prosinski was credited with 37 total tackles, 15 solos and 22 assists in his first season of competition at the college level. He also broke up one pass. Despite not starting, he ranked 12th on the Cowboy squad in tackles. His best individual game came against BYU as he was credited with 13 total tackles. He also had a six-tackle performance at Utah.

2006 Season
Redshirted. During the `06 season, Prosinski received a very exclusive honor as he was named one of only five former high school football student-athletes in the nation as a 2006 National Football Foundation (NFF) National High School Scholar-Athlete. Prosinski was the West Region honoree. Of all the high school football players in the nation approximately 2,500 are honored annually by the 120 NFF chapters across the country with NFF scholarships. From those 2,500 scholarship recipients only five receive the National High School Scholar-Athlete award.

High School
Prosinski was named the Offensive Player of the Year in the state of Wyoming by the Casper Star-Tribune. He was also named to the Super 25 by the Star-Tribune. Prosinski led Buffalo to back-to-back Wyoming 4A State titles and a 22-game winning streak during his junior and senior seasons. Prosinski played quarterback for the Buffalo Bison, but is projected as a safety for the Cowboys. Prosinski threw for 592 yards and eight touchdowns, and ran for 703 yards and 17 TDs from his quarterback position. He also excelled as a punt returner, averaging 23.5 yards per punt return. He returned two punts for touchdowns. In football, Prosinski was a two-time All-State selection and was the 4A East Player of the Year. He competed for the North Team in the 2006 Shrine Bowl of Wyoming. An outstanding basketball player, Prosinski played for his father Paul, who is Buffalo's head basketball coach. Buffalo won the 3A State Championship in basketball his senior season, posting a 23-2 record. Prosinski earned All-State honors for the second consecutive year and was named Player of the Game in the State Championship game. His junior year, he placed in four events at the state track and field championships. Prosinski won the state championship in the long jump, placed second in the 100 hurdles, third in the 300 hurdles and fourth in the triple jump.

infantrycak
04-30-2011, 11:30 AM
My point was that Reeves was horrible here. Spin that all you want, but he was. He was horrible with the Cowboys before we got him and Frog specifically tried to tell many that as well at the time. The fact that he had fans here and still does is mind boggling at this point. He may have been better than the other trio of bad CB's we've had over the years, but that didn't change the fact that he was garbage.

So friggin' what. The comparison wasn't on how good he was. It was a style or ability to stay close to the WR point. It's like you aren't even reading at this point. Reeves was excellent at staying with his WR but gave up tons of plays because he sucked at ball awareness. Harris has very good ball awareness. There is nothing spin or endorsement of Reeves in that. It is a very simple comparison on ability to stay close to a WR in man coverage. Damn sometimes this crap is impossible. I used Reeves as a person everyone is familiar with on one specific trait. If I had used Champ Bailey staying close you'd be bitching that Harris is no Champ Bailey and a rookie shouldn't be compared to a hall of famer. It isn't about overall quality, it was about one specific ability.

And why don't we wait and see what Harris does before acting like he's that great of a pick just yet.

Ummm, because it is during the draft and right now we are discussing the picks before they play a down. What we should wait 6 months to comment? Then why are you discussing it at all?

Texecutioner
04-30-2011, 11:35 AM
So friggin' what. The comparison wasn't on how good he was. It was a style or ability to stay close to the WR point. It's like you aren't even reading at this point. Reeves was excellent at staying with his WR but gave up tons of plays because he sucked at ball awareness. Harris has very good ball awareness. There is nothing spin or endorsement of Reeves in that. It is a very simple comparison on ability to stay close to a WR in man coverage. Damn sometimes this crap is impossible. I used Reeves as a person everyone is familiar with on one specific trait. If I had used Champ Bailey staying close you'd be bitching that Harris is no Champ Bailey and a rookie shouldn't be compared to a hall of famer. It isn't about overall quality, it was about one specific ability.

I never mentioned one thing about the comparison of staying with their man. My initial post was about how surprised I was that reeves still had fans that appreciated him and that was shocking to me considering how bad he was here. I never even went into whether or not the comparison was valid about staying with his man. You just jumped down my throat using that as your argument when I never even said whether I agreed with that or not or even mentioned that. Maybe you are the one who needs to read and respond to what people actually write and what their point is instead of looking to be so defensive. Good grief.

DocBar
04-30-2011, 11:36 AM
So friggin' what. The comparison wasn't on how good he was. It was a style or ability to stay close to the WR point. It's like you aren't even reading at this point. Reeves was excellent at staying with his WR but gave up tons of plays because he sucked at ball awareness. Harris has very good ball awareness. There is nothing spin or endorsement of Reeves in that. It is a very simple comparison on ability to stay close to a WR in man coverage. Damn sometimes this crap is impossible. I used Reeves as a person everyone is familiar with on one specific trait. If I had used Champ Bailey staying close you'd be bitching that Harris is no Champ Bailey and a rookie shouldn't be compared to a hall of famer. It isn't about overall quality, it was about one specific ability.



Ummm, because it is during the draft and right now we are discussing the picks before they play a down. What we should wait 6 months to comment? Then why are you discussing it at all?So what you're saying is that Reeves sucks and Harris will be in the HOF??:kitten:
J/K. That drove me nucking futs about Reeves. He weould be right there to make a play, but looking the wrong way.

infantrycak
04-30-2011, 11:44 AM
I never mentioned one thing about the comparison of staying with their man. My initial post was about how surprised I was that reeves still had fans that appreciated him and that was shocking to me considering how bad he was here. I never even went into whether or not the comparison was valid about staying with his man. You just jumped down my throat using that as your argument when I never even said whether I agreed with that or not or even mentioned that. Maybe you are the one who needs to read and respond to what people actually write and what their point is instead of looking to be so defensive. Good grief.

I was responding to someone else and then you responded with the next post about Reeves. Seemed like you were attempting to respond to me without quoting and it seemed you were acting as if my use of Reeves as a comparison meant some sort of endorsement of Reeves. Anyway...

BigTimeTexanFan
04-30-2011, 11:47 AM
Lol, I remember after a game LZ talking about the need to attach side view mirrors to Reeves' helmet so he could see the ball. Classic!

gary
04-30-2011, 11:57 AM
I happen to be a fan of all three picks and I hope and think they will work out but they should not just be expected to be the answer right away so hopefully some free agents are signed when the time is right.

DocBar
04-30-2011, 12:09 PM
I was responding to someone else and then you responded with the next post about Reeves. Seemed like you were attempting to respond to me without quoting and it seemed you were acting as if my use of Reeves as a comparison meant some sort of endorsement of Reeves. Anyway...I was just being a smart a**. I read what you 2 were talking about. That's why the J/K. Texecutioner seems to be in a foul mood lately.

Texecutioner
04-30-2011, 12:15 PM
I happen to be a fan of all three picks and I hope and think they will work out but they should not just be expected to be the answer right away so hopefully some free agents are signed when the time is right.

Yeah, we need quality free agents bad! Signing a really good veteran CB "needs" to happen right away. Nnamdi is a no brainer no matter what he costs. He's an instant fix that could help the young corners, but I know that Bob's not going to spend the $70+ Million dollars that he'll cost to get him. They'll need to get the next best guy since we know they're to cheap to sign Nnamdi. Looking for a space eating DT is a huge need as well. If they could find a decent one there and get a really good quality CB, these new rookies and with what we currently have we could turn the defense around pretty quickly actually. They've got to get "quality" in free agency though. Not just cast offs from other teams like they've done every other year in free agency.

Mr teX
04-30-2011, 01:29 PM
I was just being a smart a**. I read what you 2 were talking about. That's why the J/K. Texecutioner seems to be in a foul mood lately.

Dude's always in a foul mood. If you're not criticizing the team or a player on the team you're a homer. I've just come to accept that that's just who he is.

sportfan73
04-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Highlights. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0yjcu9CJvc)

We just got a guy projected to be late 1st or early 2nd. Why is that a bad thing?

he was projected there when people thought Prince and Smith were going in the top-15, not when they slid to be back end of the 1st round.

Texecutioner
04-30-2011, 02:36 PM
Dude's always in a foul mood. If you're not criticizing the team or a player on the team you're a homer. I've just come to accept that that's just who he is.

Trolling me still?? If that's what you've come to expect as a proud homer by your own admission then why are you even trying to interject a conversation with me?? I try to ignore your posts as they are a waste of time and your track record of ramblings has been dead wrong for years so if that's your position on me then why are you wasting your time involving yourself with anything to do with me or what I post? You're a troll that needs attention that's why. I don't even think you believe half the stuff you post and neither do others. You post these ramblings for attention as far as I'm concerned. This last post of yours had nothing to do with the thread either. If my objectivity on this team hurts your feelings so bad then simply put me on ignore because I have no desire to waste any more time on reading your Pom Pom posts that are nothing but spin.

Mr teX
04-30-2011, 02:44 PM
Trolling me still?? If that's what you've come to expect as a proud homer by your own admission then why are you even trying to interject a conversation with me?? I try to ignore your posts as they are a waste of time and your track record of ramblings has been dead wrong for years so if that's your position on me then why are you wasting your time involving yourself with anything to do with me or what I post? You're a troll that needs attention that's why. I don't even think you believe half the stuff you post and neither do others. You post these ramblings for attention as far as I'm concerned. This last post of yours had nothing to do with the thread either. If my objectivity on this team hurts your feelings so bad then simply put me on ignore because I have no desire to waste any more time on reading your Pom Pom posts that are nothing but spin.

Dont flatter yourself homie...your garbage is well known around here..most times you don't even formulate a credible argument..you just attack posters without even reading their actual posts.....pretty much what you did with I-caks in this very thread. Putting me on your ignore list would be an honor for me...Moron.

Texecutioner
04-30-2011, 03:14 PM
Dont flatter yourself homie...your garbage is well known around here..most times you don't even formulate a credible argument..you just attack posters without even reading their actual posts.....pretty much what you did with I-caks in this very thread. Putting me on your ignore list would be an honor for me...Moron.

How about proving your statements for once. Go back in the archives and prove where I've been wrong on the Texans. I can go back and pull up tons of old posts where you've been way off and still are. I've actually done that on yours. You just spout off nonsense that you can't prove.

I never even quoted Icak's post in here until he got confused with what I was arguing dumbass. Reading comprehsion has never been one of your strong points. You just slid into this thread to cry and whine. Trolling as I said before. If my posts hurt your feelings so much then why read them and respond? You need attention obviously.

DBCooper
04-30-2011, 03:44 PM
Ahhhhhhh........I love football!

b0ng
04-30-2011, 04:13 PM
My point was that Reeves was horrible here. Spin that all you want, but he was. He was horrible with the Cowboys before we got him and Frog specifically tried to tell many that as well at the time. The fact that he had fans here and still does is mind boggling at this point. He may have been better than the other trio of bad CB's we've had over the years, but that didn't change the fact that he was garbage.

And why don't we wait and see what Harris does before acting like he's that great of a pick just yet. Lets not forget how great people thought Kareem Jackson was going to be and how NFL ready he supposedly was. We also had Moulden and Bennet that everyone was so high on. Harris has potential and he wasn't a bad pick or anything, but I don't get all the excitement right away. It seems like people think that every time we pick a CB that we've automatically nailed it.

This. I think Reeves was still a Bad Cornerback even if he could stay with a receiver. I hope that one of these CB's that we've drafted work out, but so far we've picked close to half a dozen CB's since Smith has been here and it's annoying that he's like 1 for 6 so far. And that's only because Quinn was not as bad as Jackson (I guess?) and he was a 4th rounder.

If you want to count S drafted as well you bump it up to like 1 for 9.

EDIT: Petition to change title of thread to Brandon "No Fly Zone" Harris.

EDIT2: That being said, I still think Harris was a good pick because he represented very good value where we got him.

gary
04-30-2011, 04:20 PM
This thread kills me.

EllisUnit
04-30-2011, 04:37 PM
LOl at the fact that Jaque Reeves actually had fans around here. The guy was terrible. If that is still the standard that people are okay with around here for DB's than it's no wonder Rick Smith and Kubiak fail to address the secondary every year in free agency.

Would of rather had Reeves than Jackson last year, thats for sure.

And to all of u referring to J. Allen he was the best CB we had last year, better than KJac and Quinn. I would rather have J Allen and Quinn as our CBs next season if we dont get a big name FA CB, than i would KJac and Quinn. And Harris cant be worse than fall down jackson anyways.

DBCooper
04-30-2011, 05:30 PM
Would of rather had Reeves than Jackson last year, thats for sure.

And to all of u referring to J. Allen he was the best CB we had last year, better than KJac and Quinn. I would rather have J Allen and Quinn as our CBs next season if we dont get a big name FA CB, than i would KJac and Quinn. And Harris cant be worse than fall down jackson anyways.

I agree, JR was better than last years bunch and when Allen came on board there was a noticeable improvement.

DocBar
05-01-2011, 06:27 AM
IMO, the FO made a bad call by drafting KJ because he was the most NFL ready CB. They compounded that mistake by allowing him to start all season even when it was painfully obvious that he was not ready for the NFL. This was a disservice to KJ, the team as a whole and, most importantly, to the fans.

I like Harris. I posted several times that I hoped we got him. I think he will develope into a quality CB for us. I hope the FO learned its lesson and really is laying what groundwork they can during the lockout to sign Asomugha.
That way we can have a quality product on the field and allow our young players to be coached up and learn from one of the best CBs in the league.

HJam72
05-01-2011, 08:58 AM
This thread kills me.

It does not. You're just saying that because he said she said they made that comparison of the one player to the other player that was really bad, but did one thing sorta good....in a way....with mirrors... :gamer:

gary
05-01-2011, 11:41 AM
It does not. You're just saying that because he said she said they made that comparison of the one player to the other player that was really bad, but did one thing sorta good....in a way....with mirrors... :gamer::kingkong:

VTexan
05-01-2011, 12:02 PM
http://i.imgur.com/M9vKd.gif

PHAROAH
05-01-2011, 07:37 PM
I love this pick for the Texans but we still need Veterans at the CB position to come through Free Agency to help this secondary. Quinn isn't the answer at the Safety position either we need to spend big dollars in free agency to fill some serious needs the Texans had a great start in the draft now they have to finish it up strong in free agency.

BigBull17
05-02-2011, 10:31 AM
It's not bad, but we still need a FA vet that's better (at least this year).

Time to put down the crack pipe and step away. Peterson was the best CB in the draft by a wide margin.

I'm liking the pick a lot. This isn't a very strong year for CB. Peterson and Amukamara were far and away #1 and #2. Harris is not going to be better than these 2, but he'll definitely add depth.

I'm wondering if moving Quin to FS is to then allow Jason Allen to step in as the starter until Harris takes over or takes KJ's spot. Either way I think this will be good and we now have a defensive coach who can actually train these guys.

Either way, this was a great pick. We finally have enough talent that we probably won't sign all our draft picks so why not throw away a 5th to move up and get an extra 2nd rounder. I think in the 3rd round we would have ended up having to take another d-lineman had we not made the move. There isn't much left with CB at this point

I've seen people saying Harris was a better prospect than Purple Rain. Prince was over-rated and was severely picked on when they played good receivers. I was not a fan of Prince and was thrilled when we passed him up.

DocBar
05-02-2011, 10:50 AM
:goodpost:

keyser
05-02-2011, 10:59 AM
As some of you know, I put together spreadsheets for the draft each year, so I thought it would be interesting to go back and look at how Harris compares to Kareem Jackson, as far as ratings/rankings. Here's what I have:

SI.com:
Jackson: 49th best player, grade: 2.88
Harris: 34th best player, grade: 2.95

NFL.com:
Jackson: 32nd best player, grade: 8.0
Harris: 30th best player, grade: 7.8

NFLDraftScout.com:
Jackson: 32nd best player
Harris: 35th best player

Scout.com:
Jackson: 49th best player, 5 stars
Harris: 39th best player, 4 stars

Gosselin ranking:
Jackson: 29th best player
Harris: 64th best player

NationalFootballPost
Jackson: 44th best player, grade: 6.6
Harris: 18th best player, grade: 7.0

Basically, it looks to me like Harris is just about at the same level as Jackson was. Only Gosselin (who I do give more weight to, actually) had him as a significantly lower-ranked player.

To get Harris with pick number 60, when almost everyone had him in the top 40 (and even Gosselin had him right near 60), seems like a steal. Not to mention that (as someone posted in another thread) we got a really good value in the trade to move up, based on the draft charts. We got great value, at a position of need.

When you consider that we spent pick number 20 on Kareem Jackson, and pick number 60 on Harris, I think the difference is even more striking, though this says as much about how we reached for Jackson as it does getting value for Harris.

DocBar
05-02-2011, 02:08 PM
As some of you know, I put together spreadsheets for the draft each year, so I thought it would be interesting to go back and look at how Harris compares to Kareem Jackson, as far as ratings/rankings. Here's what I have:

SI.com:
Jackson: 49th best player, grade: 2.88
Harris: 34th best player, grade: 2.95

NFL.com:
Jackson: 32nd best player, grade: 8.0
Harris: 30th best player, grade: 7.8

NFLDraftScout.com:
Jackson: 32nd best player
Harris: 35th best player

Scout.com:
Jackson: 49th best player, 5 stars
Harris: 39th best player, 4 stars

Gosselin ranking:
Jackson: 29th best player
Harris: 64th best player

NationalFootballPost
Jackson: 44th best player, grade: 6.6
Harris: 18th best player, grade: 7.0

Basically, it looks to me like Harris is just about at the same level as Jackson was. Only Gosselin (who I do give more weight to, actually) had him as a significantly lower-ranked player.

To get Harris with pick number 60, when almost everyone had him in the top 40 (and even Gosselin had him right near 60), seems like a steal. Not to mention that (as someone posted in another thread) we got a really good value in the trade to move up, based on the draft charts. We got great value, at a position of need.

When you consider that we spent pick number 20 on Kareem Jackson, and pick number 60 on Harris, I think the difference is even more striking, though this says as much about how we reached for Jackson as it does getting value for Harris.Good info. I'll probably get torched for this, but I don't think KJ is a bust yet. I'm a believer in the 3 year rule of thumb for grading drafts and draft picks. On that note, I hope Kubes learned a lesson and doesn't throw Harris to the wolves unless he's shown he's ready.

HOU-TEX
05-02-2011, 03:47 PM
Dunno if this has been mentioned. Thought I'd share

Their primary targets were presumably Ras-I Dowling and Aaron Williams, the first two players off the board on Friday. The Steelers were "all ready" to draft Brandon Harris late in the round, only to see the Texans trade up to steal him. Tackle Marcus Gilbert was Plan B for Pittsburgh.

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football

Rey
05-02-2011, 04:05 PM
Good info. I'll probably get torched for this, but I don't think KJ is a bust yet. I'm a believer in the 3 year rule of thumb for grading drafts and draft picks. On that note, I hope Kubes learned a lesson and doesn't throw Harris to the wolves unless he's shown he's ready.


Kubiak was on the radio recently and he said that he sees Harris as an immediate option to play the nickel.

That doesn't sound like too big of a role for him.

Goatcheese
05-02-2011, 04:10 PM
Kiper has a serious case of A.D.D. or maybe multiple personality disorder.

On air he put the Texans on blast for the Harris pick during his reaction, then turned around and called it a "particularly good value pick" in his grades.

:toropalm:

I liked the pick personally.

When I saw we had traded up I was like "We just grabbed Harris!*high five*"

rmartin65
05-02-2011, 04:12 PM
I love the Harris pick, and think that he could start off as the nickel without much of a problem. That said, I would feel a lot better if the lockout ends so these young players can get into camp.

El Tejano
05-02-2011, 04:14 PM
Kiper has a serious case of A.D.D. or maybe multiple personality disorder.

On air he put the Texans on blast for the Harris pick during his reaction, then turned around and called it a "particularly good value pick" in his grades.

:toropalm:

I liked the pick personally.

When I saw we had traded up I was like "We just grabbed Harris!*high five*"

That's because on TV John Gruden called him out. John Gruden even said something to the affect of 'why are you so upset. You are just picking on the Texans. Give them a break. They already have a very good offense and they've had a great draft today.'

Ndevine7
05-02-2011, 04:14 PM
I love the Harris pick, and think that he could start off as the nickel without much of a problem. That said, I would feel a lot better if the lockout ends so these young players can get into camp.

I agree Harris will be a great nickelback his rookie season. I think Harris was a great pick and should be a fixture for this team at nickel and possibly 2 years down the road he could be a solid starter.

The Pencil Neck
05-02-2011, 04:17 PM
That's because on TV John Gruden called him out. John Gruden even said something to the affect of 'why are you so upset. You are just picking on the Texans. Give them a break. They already have a very good offense and they've had a great draft today.'

And then a little later on another program, Kiper picked us to go to the playoffs.

I just kept seeing that clip where he said there was no way that David Carr or Joey Harrington would be busts.

We're doomed.

El Tejano
05-02-2011, 04:28 PM
And then a little later on another program, Kiper picked us to go to the playoffs.

I just kept seeing that clip where he said there was no way that David Carr or Joey Harrington would be busts.

We're doomed.

Well to make you feel better, he at first didn't like our draft. He also didn't like our 2006 draft.