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ArlingtonTexan
04-28-2011, 09:12 PM
He is a 3-4 DE

CDNTexansFan
04-28-2011, 09:13 PM
Disgusting

The Cush
04-28-2011, 09:13 PM
Relentless motor

kiwitexansfan
04-28-2011, 09:13 PM
Best 5 Tech in draft.

kiwitexansfan
04-28-2011, 09:14 PM
Pass rush: Relentless rushing the passer in obvious passing situations whether lined up inside or outside. Gets extra attention from opponents. Most dangerous when anticipating the snap and swimming over guards/centers inside. Spins off blocks to get outside after initial contact or pushes through doubles inside. Gets his hands into throwing lanes, using his height and length to knock down or affect passes. Nimble feet allow him to twist inside. Bounces back after initial contact, keeps his balance to find the ballcarrier. Knocks tight end off route before making his rush. Often lined up outside the tackle, can bull-rush and get corner at times against college right tackles but needs to continue improving his flexibility to beat NFL blockers.

Run defense: Active against the run. Able to stack and shed to get to outside runs, and is strong and agile enough to move down the line to be involved in inside runs. Displays some nice change-of-direction ability for his size to mirror ballcarriers trying to elude. Gives very good effort containing misdirection and bootlegs on the edge, though quicker NFL ballcarriers will beat him to the edge. When inside, has quickness to penetrate and gets his hands up quickly to maintain distance from the blocker but fails to keep his body square to the line and gets pushed out of the play.

Explosion: Flashes quickness off the snap and willingness to pop and knock back opponents. Able to penetrate gaps with a nice first step and works through double-teams with aggressiveness when lined up inside. Has enough closing speed to explode into ballcarriers and force fumbles. Doesn't have the typical explosive first step of most rush ends because of his girth and lack of ideal height. He is considered an explosive player on every down because he has arguably the strongest punch and most effective hands in the class.

Strength: Flashes strength to shed blocks and bull through double teams, but must gain muscle in both his upper and lower body to hold his ground at the next level. Can be pushed off the line by double teams, typically when turned sideways. Works with his hands against blockers, looks to potentially be good in this area. Can play too high when lined up inside to win the leverage battle.

Tackling: High-effort tackler with long arms and growing strength. Gets low despite his height to mirror and wrap up ballcarriers. Quarterbacks do not want to feel his explosive tackling in the backfield. Doesn't leave his feet, though he stretches to make a lot of ankle tackles other linemen couldn't make.

Intangibles: Excellent character and work ethic. Won the Lott IMPACT Award for integrity, maturity, performance, academics, community and tenacity among college defenders. Began the Justin J. Watt Foundation to help schools fund athletic programs, does quite a bit of community work. Academic All-Big Ten in 2009 and 2010. Brother Derek is scheduled to play football at UW in 2011.

Compares to: Adam Carriker, Redskins -- People were impressed with Watt's combine performance, but scouts saw very similar results from Carriker four years ago. Carriker seemed to fit Washington's 3-4 scheme well in 2010, so Watt's career might get off on the right foot if he can find a similar situation.

--Chad Reuter

CBS

CretorFrigg
04-28-2011, 09:15 PM
How many first round picks have we spent on the D-line throughout our history?

Thorn
04-28-2011, 09:17 PM
How many first round picks have we spent on the D-line throughout our history?

In the 2nd round we'll either get a DT or a TE. :lol:

cland
04-28-2011, 09:17 PM
Where does he line up???? Are we planning to sit Mario or Antonio Smith?

gtexan02
04-28-2011, 09:17 PM
Since 2002, the Texans have drafted a total of 12 defensive lineman. We still have 2/12 on the team.

Babin, TJ, Williams, and Okoye in the 1st round. Only one of those has not been a bust.


Law of averages states this guy can't suck, right?

maddogmrb
04-28-2011, 09:17 PM
Makes perfect sense because he was a TE before DE, so we got another backup at TE!

Actually, I really like the pick. I know everyone wanted Fairley but, I think his act won't last at the next level.

Showtime100
04-28-2011, 09:17 PM
ESPN spent all of a minute and a half on Houston's pick.

We got JJ Watt. I'm cool with it. I likes me a hustler.

cardiactgaters
04-28-2011, 09:18 PM
:smiliepalm:

kiwitexansfan
04-28-2011, 09:20 PM
Smith doesn't like playing in the 3-4. He may be trade bait.

rmartin65
04-28-2011, 09:20 PM
Best pick we could have made at 11. I am freaking thrilled. Strong, athletic, with a blue collar work ethic. As safe a player as there is in this draft.

kiwitexansfan
04-28-2011, 09:21 PM
. As safe a player as there is in this draft.

Fixture on the DL for 15 years.

CloakNNNdagger
04-28-2011, 09:21 PM
Watch Wade turn Watt into an NT.

Thorn
04-28-2011, 09:21 PM
Everything I've been reading on this guy so far makes me like him.

mussop
04-28-2011, 09:23 PM
JJ Watt is a great pick. He should of been the second player on the Texans board.

pirbroke
04-28-2011, 09:23 PM
mario does get injured alot, such a important position could use three players rotating to keep fresh.

CretorFrigg
04-28-2011, 09:23 PM
Where does he line up???? Are we planning to sit Mario or Antonio Smith?

Good question.

I thought we were in need of an OLB because of the switch to a 3-4 defense.

False Start
04-28-2011, 09:23 PM
They're talking about Mario @ OLB on 610.

VTexan
04-28-2011, 09:27 PM
I'm sure he has a good work ethic and will be a decent player but why draft a DE when you have so many other needs to fill? If you are going to draft a DE why not trade down, get a few draft picks, and snag Cameron Jordan.

This pick does not thrill me one bit, seems to be a reach.

badboy
04-28-2011, 09:29 PM
In the 2nd round we'll either get a DT or a TE. :lol:If Taylor is the DT in 2nd I'll jump for joy. I think Acho can be there in 3rd for OLB

pirbroke
04-28-2011, 09:31 PM
wow I don't know about that.

2slik4u
04-28-2011, 09:31 PM
How does he measure up with MW?

MW:----------- Watt:
ht - 6'7" ----------- 6'5"
wt - 295 ------------ 290
arm length - 33 1/8" ---------- 34"
hand size - 10" ---------- 11 1/8"
40 yd - 4.65s ---------- 4.84s
10 yd split -1.80s ----------
20 yd split - 2.77s----------
20 ss - 4.37s ---------- 4.21s
3 cone - 7.21s ----------- 6.88s
vert - 40' 1/2" ------------ 34"
broad - 10' ---------- 10'
BP - 35 ---------- 34


I know this isnt everything but its best to match his measureables up against Mario. Take a looksy, I like what I see...

phantom17
04-28-2011, 09:32 PM
Watch Wade turn Watt into an NT.



I'm thinking the same thing! I hope this kid can be a keeper!:d:

TEXANRED
04-28-2011, 09:32 PM
I like it! Welcome Mr. Watt.

PockyAF
04-28-2011, 09:33 PM
Twas a beast in the bowl game against TCU.. don't know much about him after that. Unimpressive in the sack numbers, but could be a solid starter for us for a long time.

I think I heard an analyst comparing him to Aaron Smith.. which would not be a bad to have at all.

Definitely not a sexy pick, but could really be detrimental to our D down the road.

Blake
04-28-2011, 09:33 PM
Solid pick by the Texans. No need to trade back if he is the player you feel good about. Solid player with great motor. Relentless. Great character. A guy you dont have to worry about reading in your morning newspaper that he killed a stripper while high on coke.

Wow. Wiki was already updated that he was drafted by the Texans #11.

http://www.mytinyphone.com/uploads/users/grobanite44/487779.jpg

2slik4u
04-28-2011, 09:34 PM
I'm sure he has a good work ethic and will be a decent player but why draft a DE when you have so many other needs to fill? If you are going to draft a DE why not trade down, get a few draft picks, and snag Cameron Jordan.

This pick does not thrill me one bit, seems to be a reach.

Heres the bottom line; the only way to compete in the NFL is to get after the QB (specifically Peyton). I appreciate the committment to it and to continue to do what it takes to put Manning on the ground. Thats the only way we will be able to compete.

I can agree an OLB would be great. I will disagree with you until the cows come home if you said we should have taken a CB. Youth in this spot will not work, case in point KJ.

False Start
04-28-2011, 09:35 PM
Wades on.

badboy
04-28-2011, 09:36 PM
I'm sure he has a good work ethic and will be a decent player but why draft a DE when you have so many other needs to fill? If you are going to draft a DE why not trade down, get a few draft picks, and snag Cameron Jordan.

This pick does not thrill me one bit, seems to be a reach.What if no one wants to trade up? Watt best player available and opens possibility of trade for Mario or Smith when trades allowed.

2slik4u
04-28-2011, 09:36 PM
Wades on.

where?

mussop
04-28-2011, 09:37 PM
Cant believe anyone would not like this guy. He will bat down a ton of passes, never quit on a play, create all kinds problems on 3rd down in the middle. He is a incredible athlete. At 6'5" and 290 lb's he has the second fastest 10 yard split for defensive linemen and that included DE's.

jppaul
04-28-2011, 09:37 PM
Not the most exciting but the more you watch him the more you like him. He's a bulked up 3-4 version of chris long

VTexan
04-28-2011, 09:37 PM
Heres the bottom line; the only way to compete in the NFL is to get after the QB (specifically Peyton). I appreciate the committment to it and to continue to do what it takes to put Manning on the ground. Thats the only way we will be able to compete.

I can agree an OLB would be great. I will disagree with you until the cows come home if you said we should have taken a CB. Youth in this spot will not work, case in point KJ.


I feel you. I didn't want a CB one bit as there are so many in FA. Maybe this is a sign that Bob plans to spend big money this off season. OLB really concerns me though, mostly because Connor Barwin (all the hope aside) is still an unknown and who is going to play on the other side?

False Start
04-28-2011, 09:37 PM
where?

610, I'm sure the podcast will be up soon.

Errant Hothy
04-28-2011, 09:39 PM
where?

Your mom?

Sorry couldn't resist.

bckey
04-28-2011, 09:39 PM
I like the pick.

mussop
04-28-2011, 09:39 PM
How does he measure up with MW?

MW:----------- Watt:
ht - 6'7" ----------- 6'5"
wt - 295 ------------ 290
arm length - 33 1/8" ---------- 34"
hand size - 10" ---------- 11 1/8"
40 yd - 4.65s ---------- 4.84s
10 yd split -1.80s ----------
20 yd split - 2.77s----------
20 ss - 4.37s ---------- 4.21s
3 cone - 7.21s ----------- 6.88s
vert - 40' 1/2" ------------ 34"
broad - 10' ---------- 10'
BP - 35 ---------- 34


I know this isnt everything but its best to match his measureables up against Mario. Take a looksy, I like what I see...

I believe his 10 yard split was 1.61

PockyAF
04-28-2011, 09:42 PM
Said scout: "They won't take Jordan. He's the best player but they will go with safe guy like JJ Watt. Good player but not great"


Low-ceiling, safe-pick that can contribute tomorrow. KJack V.2?

Jackie Chiles
04-28-2011, 09:43 PM
I can't remember for certain but I think he was Parcell's top DE if you watched his draft special on ESPN. Can anyone confirm that?

I would have loved Quinn but I had a feeling he was off the board for us, Watt could wind up being a really nice player. Will be interesting to see how they mix the bodies to get him on the field.

thunderkyss
04-28-2011, 09:53 PM
This pick does not thrill me one bit, seems to be a reach.

I definitely don't think this is a reach. I'm sure someone would have taken him early.

I just don't think he is a good fit for the Texans. When we were we took Mario in 2006, we talked about how it didn't make sense to take a DE so early in the first round for a 3-4 defense.

kiwitexansfan
04-28-2011, 09:53 PM
I believe he blocks a lot of kicks too...

If you ever watched Wisconsin play you will know and like Watt.

Mari-OWNED!
04-28-2011, 09:54 PM
Watch Wade turn Watt into an NT.

Wade said at the draft party that Watt will play situational nose when it's obvious passing downs. Said Mario may be a rush linebacker at times as well.

thunderkyss
04-28-2011, 09:57 PM
Heres the bottom line; the only way to compete in the NFL is to get after the QB (specifically Peyton). I appreciate the committment to it and to continue to do what it takes to put Manning on the ground. Thats the only way we will be able to compete.


Marcus Spears has been Dallas' best DE for the last 6 years. He has 8 sacks total.

infantrycak
04-28-2011, 09:57 PM
When we were we took Mario in 2006, we talked about how it didn't make sense to take a DE so early in the first round for a 3-4 defense.

We weren't a 3-4 D when the Mario pick was made. They had already announced conversion to 4-3.

steelbtexan
04-28-2011, 09:59 PM
Best pick we could have made at 11. I am freaking thrilled. Strong, athletic, with a blue collar work ethic. As safe a player as there is in this draft.

Hopefully this is Wades 1st attempt to change the culture of the Texans defense.

Antonio/MW this is notice, the party is over.

PockyAF
04-28-2011, 10:00 PM
Here's a thread from draftcountdown dedicated solely to J.J Watt; followed his entire 2010 season up until the draft.. love what I'm reading from it.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43311

2slik4u
04-28-2011, 10:06 PM
Marcus Spears has been Dallas' best DE for the last 6 years. He has 8 sacks total.

Not sure I understand what your saying.

ArlingtonTexan
04-28-2011, 10:07 PM
Lance Z. Nailed the pick

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2011/04/texans_3_round_draft_board_my.html

CloakNNNdagger
04-28-2011, 10:09 PM
Wade said at the draft party that Watt will play situational nose when it's obvious passing downs. Said Mario may be a rush linebacker at times as well.

I've seen him swat double teams like flies. I wouldn't be surprised if Wade has found his strong, quick NT..............and he's SMALL too!!:D

TEXANRED
04-28-2011, 10:10 PM
"Everybody here tells me my job will be to help sack Peyton Manning," Watt said about the Indianapolis quarterback. "It's a great day to be a Texan. I can't wait to get there and start learning the defense.

"I'm happy to play outside or inside. I always give 100 percent because I think you're doing the game a disservice if you don't."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7542051.html

ATXtexanfan
04-28-2011, 10:12 PM
if he hits peyton week one i'm good

mussop
04-28-2011, 10:12 PM
Cameron Jordan is still on board. I knew he was over rated.

fiasco west
04-28-2011, 10:13 PM
I guess this pick is growing on me. At first it was meh but now it looks to be a good solid pick.

I mean it never hurts to have guys with a non-stop motor. We always talk about we need emotion and toughness on our defense, well this guy looks the part. The more Cushing/Ryans type of players we get on this team the better.

beerlover
04-28-2011, 10:14 PM
Cameron Jordan is still on board. I knew he was over rated.

Patriots are going to steal him

kiwitexansfan
04-28-2011, 10:16 PM
I guess this pick is growing on me. At first it was meh but now it looks to be a good solid pick.

I mean it never hurts to have guys with a non-stop motor. We always talk about we need emotion and toughness on our defense, well this guy looks the part. The more Cushing/Ryans type of players we get on this team the better.

Might rub off on Mario.... :kitten:

Vinnie
04-28-2011, 10:17 PM
Marcus Spears has been Dallas' best DE for the last 6 years. He has 8 sacks total.

I don't give a two shits if he never gets a single sack so long as he collapses the pocket and gets lots of pressure on the QB on a consistant basis.

fiasco west
04-28-2011, 10:20 PM
Might rub off on Mario.... :kitten:

This is exactly what I was thinking but I didn't want to start up some Mario debate. I also realize he was also hurt last year which may explain his disappearances at times.

But still other players on the Dline could learn a thing or two from guys like Cushing and apparently Watt *coughamobicough*

2slik4u
04-28-2011, 10:22 PM
I don't give a two shits if he never gets a single sack so long as he collapses the pocket and gets lots of pressure on the QB on a consistant basis.

Yeah no crap. I guess Tkiss never heard of a guy that took over the majority of the sacks for the Dallas Cowboys by the name of Demarcus Ware.

Spled
04-28-2011, 10:22 PM
Beast - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0gsgyY_QW0

BullNation4Life
04-28-2011, 10:24 PM
Not sure I understand what your saying.

He is saying sacks aren't everything when playing a 3-4 DE. Don't need sacks as a 3-4 DE to be dominate, just need to be dominate period and Watt can be that type of player. Defiantly has the motor and desire to do so.

Carr Bombed
04-28-2011, 10:24 PM
Low-ceiling, safe-pick that can contribute tomorrow. KJack V.2?

J.J. Watt is one of the best athletes in the entire draft. How the heck does he have a "low ceiling"?

I love the pick. Now we need to back up that back 7 in round 2.

2slik4u
04-28-2011, 10:27 PM
He is saying sacks aren't everything when playing a 3-4 DE. Don't need sacks as a 3-4 DE to be dominate, just need to be dominate period and Watt can be that type of player. Defiantly has the motor and desire to do so.

This I understand very well.

False Start
04-28-2011, 10:29 PM
OK, I wasn't all that familiar with him, read up, watched some highlights, he looks pretty good. :cool:

Vinnie
04-28-2011, 10:30 PM
The only learning Amobi will be doing from Cushing and Watt will be from watching the Texans on TV. His ass is done in H-Town.

The Pencil Neck
04-28-2011, 10:33 PM
Good strong pick. Not what I expected because I thought we'd be cool with Mario and Smith as our ends. But this kid's a beast.

I don't hate this pick.

I would have preferred Quin but I understand the reasons behind not taking him.

PockyAF
04-28-2011, 10:34 PM
J.J. Watt is one of the best athletes in the entire draft. How the heck does he have a "low ceiling"?

I love the pick. Now we need to back up that back 7 in round 2.

Wow, reading comprehension is non-existent with this one. Read the quote again goober.


http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/1491723/licorice-man-o.gif

Herpaderp

mussop
04-28-2011, 10:39 PM
J.J. Watt is one of the best athletes in the entire draft. How the heck does he have a "low ceiling"?

I love the pick. Now we need to back up that back 7 in round 2.

People are just saying that because he is white. Same thing goes for Kerrigan and Reed. Their measurables are just as good as some of the so called elite athletes at their positions. Because they are white they get tagged as "high effort" players.

Watt was my second rated player on the DL. Kerrigan was number 2 at OLB (for our hybrid 3/4) ahead of Quin and Smith. Reed is 4th.

thunderkyss
04-28-2011, 10:40 PM
We weren't a 3-4 D when the Mario pick was made. They had already announced conversion to 4-3.

I understand that. But that was the conversation.

thunderkyss
04-28-2011, 10:41 PM
Not sure I understand what your saying.

I'm saying the value of a 3-4 DE is not #1 overall or #11 overall.

Pantherstang84
04-28-2011, 10:42 PM
Wow, reading comprehension is non-existent with this one. Read the quote again goober.


http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/1491723/licorice-man-o.gif

Herpaderp

I'm having problems with my animated gif comprehension. WT?

mussop
04-28-2011, 10:44 PM
Wow, reading comprehension is non-existent with this one. Read the quote again goober.


http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/1491723/licorice-man-o.gif

Herpaderp

You said


Low-ceiling, safe-pick that can contribute tomorrow. KJack V.2?

How does he have a reading comprehension problem. Me thinks you have a writing comprehension problem.

TEXANRED
04-28-2011, 10:45 PM
Beast - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0gsgyY_QW0

Well if ever have a game that comes down to your white players jumping over really tall boxes we are aces with Cushing and Watt..

Hagar
04-28-2011, 10:49 PM
Since I started studying the draft, this is the first time the Texans have picked my guy.

Say bye bye to Mario Williams.

mussop
04-28-2011, 10:53 PM
Since I started studying the draft, this is the first time the Texans have picked my guy.

Say bye bye to Mario Williams.


I have been preaching this for awhile. Both Mario and Smith have both expressed concern about playing in a 3/4. I could see one or both of them pouting and causing problems if they dont get off to a good start. Smith is the more likely to stir the pot IMO.

Hell maybe one of them already has and that is why we drafted Watt. If we draft another 5 I guess that will answer that question.

Blake
04-28-2011, 10:54 PM
Since I started studying the draft, this is the first time the Texans have picked my guy.

Say bye bye to Mario Williams.

Hagar are you drunk already? lol

thunderkyss
04-28-2011, 10:56 PM
He is saying sacks aren't everything when playing a 3-4 DE. Don't need sacks as a 3-4 DE to be dominate, just need to be dominate period and Watt can be that type of player. Defiantly has the motor and desire to do so.

Thank you, but no that is not at all what I am saying.

If we were playing in the 4-3 & we needed a pass rusher opposite Mario this would make sense.

This is one pick outside of the top ten. This should be an impact player. Most DEs hate converting to a 3-4, because DE is not an impact position.

People were concerned that Mario would be upset about switching to a 3-4. They are saying Antonio Smith is not happy about playing in a 3-4, even though he has no problem sliding inside in a 4-3.

4-3 DE, impact player. 3-4 DE...... not.

It's like Tackles wanting to play LT, not RT. Or corners wanting to play corner, & not safety.

mussop
04-28-2011, 10:59 PM
Thank you, but no that is not at all what I am saying.

If we were playing in the 4-3 & we needed a pass rusher opposite Mario this would make sense.

This is one pick outside of the top ten. This should be an impact player. Most DEs hate converting to a 3-4, because DE is not an impact position.

People were concerned that Mario would be upset about switching to a 3-4. They are saying Antonio Smith is not happy about playing in a 3-4, even though he has no problem sliding inside in a 4-3.

4-3 DE, impact player. 3-4 DE...... not.

It's like Tackles wanting to play LT, not RT. Or corners wanting to play corner, & not safety.

We play a 1 gap 3/4 where the DE's are expected to penetrate, not take up blocks like most 3/4's.

texanhead08
04-28-2011, 11:01 PM
I see Antonio Smith as the one being gone. He bitched about being in the 3-4 the day Phillips was hired. I just don't think he fits.

BrandonLwowski
04-28-2011, 11:02 PM
i hope this means that we go after ASO in free agents

Texecutioner
04-28-2011, 11:05 PM
i hope this means that we go after ASO in free agents

Keep dreaming.

thunderkyss
04-28-2011, 11:07 PM
We play a 1 gap 3/4 where the DE's are expected to penetrate, not take up blocks like most 3/4's.

Kinda like they did in Dallas?

or San Diego?

Marcus Spears. 8 sacks. 6 seasons.

Igor Olshansky. 12.5 sacks in 7 seasons (playing for Wade for most, if not all of it).

PockyAF
04-28-2011, 11:08 PM
i hope this means that we go after ASO in free agents

Houston taking JJ Watt instead of Amukamara means they're preparing gigantic offer for Nnamdi Asomugha

Not sure if he was just making a quib, due to us passing on one of the top CB in the draft...

But, he's a NFL sports writer for the Raider. So it's FWIW.

Hagar
04-28-2011, 11:08 PM
I have been preaching this for awhile. Both Mario and Smith have both expressed concern about playing in a 3/4. I could see one or both of them pouting and causing problems if they dont get off to a good start. Smith is the more likely to stir the pot IMO.

Hell maybe one of them already has and that is why we drafted Watt. If we draft another 5 I guess that will answer that question.

Its just a gut feeling, y'all, but given Mario's salary and the fact that he's complained already, I think he get traded.

Hagar are you drunk already? lol

I'm not drunk, I'm drinkin :koolaid: ~ Wild Cherry flavor.

gary
04-28-2011, 11:09 PM
If Mario is going to play some OLB then I understand the JJ Watt pick.

thunderkyss
04-28-2011, 11:09 PM
I see Antonio Smith as the one being gone. He bitched about being in the 3-4 the day Phillips was hired. I just don't think he fits.

If we find a way to trade Mario & Smith to who ever signs Aso, then this might make sense.

The Pencil Neck
04-28-2011, 11:12 PM
If Mario is going to play some OLB then I understand the JJ Watt pick.

Unless they see their OLB later in the draft. There are some guys later in the draft that can rush the passer.

Hagar
04-28-2011, 11:12 PM
I see Antonio Smith as the one being gone. He bitched about being in the 3-4 the day Phillips was hired. I just don't think he fits.

He's got a pretty good sized salary too.

I wouldn't mind a trade for picks or possibly an experienced CB or FS.

The Pencil Neck
04-28-2011, 11:14 PM
He's got a pretty good sized salary too.

I wouldn't mind a trade for picks or possibly an experienced CB or FS.

Can't trade players during this draft because of the CBA issues. You can only trade for picks.

Vinnie
04-28-2011, 11:15 PM
Keep dreaming.

Don't be surprised.

gary
04-28-2011, 11:18 PM
Unless they see their OLB later in the draft. There are some guys later in the draft that can rush the passer.So you think a current DE will be traded? If so then who?

Texecutioner
04-28-2011, 11:20 PM
Don't be surprised.

About what?

The Pencil Neck
04-28-2011, 11:22 PM
So you think a current DE will be traded? If so then who?

Probably Smith. Or they might just use them all in rotation.

But I wouldn't be surprised if this is the end of the Okoye experiment. He was hoping to transition to DE and with Watt here, I can't see that happening anymore.

Hagar
04-28-2011, 11:22 PM
Ok, so I checked my e-mail and i already have a flyer from the Texans Online shop hawking JJ Watt draft jersey. (http://shop.houstontexans.com/default.aspx/source/EML11_PTR_2011DRAFT_HTEX_A_C_0428a?utm_source=Emai l&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=EML11_PTR_2011DRAFT_HTEX&utm_campaign=EML11_PTR_2011DRAFT) Apparently, Bob needs more money to sign this kid.

Vinnie
04-28-2011, 11:23 PM
About what?

I quoted you first...tag...you're it!

mussop
04-28-2011, 11:24 PM
Bet the Jets take Reed or Bowers

Dutchrudder
04-28-2011, 11:25 PM
If the Texans want Aaron Williams, they need to trade up now.

mussop
04-28-2011, 11:29 PM
Kinda like they did in Dallas?

or San Diego?

Marcus Spears. 8 sacks. 6 seasons.

Igor Olshansky. 12.5 sacks in 7 seasons (playing for Wade for most, if not all of it).

Gotta play with what you got. Neither of those guys are as talented as Mario or Watt. Watt will play in the middle on passing downs and make a difference you just watch.:shades:

gary
04-28-2011, 11:30 PM
Probably Smith. Or they might just use them all in rotation.

But I wouldn't be surprised if this is the end of the Okoye experiment. He was hoping to transition to DE and with Watt here, I can't see that happening anymore.I probably would have drafted anther player in the first round if this is really the case but Watt does seem like good player though. I hope he works out for us though.

Hagar
04-28-2011, 11:30 PM
So you think a current DE will be traded? If so then who?

I think its likely that someone will be traded or may even be cut. We have some huge salaries tied up in DE. Mario was the #1 pick overall so you know he's getting paid. Smith was a FA DE from the Super Bowl winning team, so its a fair bet he's getting paid too. Okoye is probably the cheapest of the three, but he's also the least productive. Now, we've got another DE mouth to feed in Watt. We would be spending too much money on one position.

The player with the most trade value would be Mario and then Smith. I don't think Okoye would have much of a trade value so if Phillips can mold him a bit, he's probably the most likely player to stay on our roster.

beerlover
04-28-2011, 11:32 PM
The strength of this draft was the five tech 3-4 DE. Just look who the other big boy 3-4 defenses selected. Wade is trying to put the Texans on the map.

badboy
04-28-2011, 11:32 PM
If the Texans want Aaron Williams, they need to trade up now.I say no to a trade up too many other CBs and FS available to go after this guy when Quin may move to FS under Phillips.

dalemurphy
04-28-2011, 11:43 PM
I think its likely that someone will be traded or may even be cut. We have some huge salaries tied up in DE. Mario was the #1 pick overall so you know he's getting paid. Smith was a FA DE from the Super Bowl winning team, so its a fair bet he's getting paid too. Okoye is probably the cheapest of the three, but he's also the least productive. Now, we've got another DE mouth to feed in Watt. We would be spending too much money on one position.

The player with the most trade value would be Mario and then Smith. I don't think Okoye would have much of a trade value so if Phillips can mold him a bit, he's probably the most likely player to stay on our roster.

A.Smith isn't going anywhere. Mario probably isn't going anywhere. And, I think Wade intends to dump Okoye whether they can acquire a pick to do so, or not.

J_R
04-28-2011, 11:44 PM
May have been posted but PC tomorrow at 2.

Tx Longhorn
04-28-2011, 11:48 PM
The Texan defense needed a player who was going to do everything.. A guy with a high level of intensity, a strong work ethic and a non-stop motor, someone who is willing to surrender stats to make the defense as a whole better.

This is JJ Watt to a tee.

From everything I've read and seen from Badger fans who followed Watt's career, and from draft profile sites, noone will work harder than Watt. ESPN' folks even made mention of it: you're getting a player that will be moving at 100 miles an hour every play, from opening snap to the final seconds.

To me, EVERY team needs a JJ Watt on their roster.. The Texans sure as hell are no exception.

I've heard every comparison from Julius Peppers (I don't see it at all), to Aaron Smith, to Chris Long, to Bob Lilly.. Me personally, I see a LOT of Chris Long in him. That's a home run pick to me and just what the doctor ordered.

Regarding the OLB, I'm confident.. Brooks Reed is still available and can be had in the second.. Dontay Mock really has a nice profile. He can be had in the third. Hell, I may be the only one who thinks Mario will do just fine at OLB, but I do.

Either way, I'm stoked about the pick. For the person who said it was a reach, from what I hear, Dallas strongly considered him at 9. Detroit was interested at 13, as was Minnesota. He wasn't a complete reach.

IlliniJen
04-28-2011, 11:48 PM
I guess this pick is growing on me. At first it was meh but now it looks to be a good solid pick.

I mean it never hurts to have guys with a non-stop motor. We always talk about we need emotion and toughness on our defense, well this guy looks the part. The more Cushing/Ryans type of players we get on this team the better.

+1

Not a major sexy pick, but hopefully he's a defensive mainstay for many years and his high motor rubs off on some people. Don't mind him pushing Smith and Williams for PT; young and hungry and talented versus guys not happy with the 3-4 switch who may not give 100% each play. Puts a little heat on our DEs.

Rey
04-28-2011, 11:55 PM
Gonna make a really good nt and rotational player for us.

Norg
04-28-2011, 11:55 PM
Hmm my thoughts safe Pick good pick was bassically the best DE on the board at that time

Can play prob multi positions will deff be able to free Up mario and Cushing on some plays maybe he can play some ILB on some plays and let Cushing rush on the OLB

anywayz like one guy said here Antonio Smith days are numberd here now has maybe in 2 years he can take his starting spot

thunderkyss
04-28-2011, 11:58 PM
The strength of this draft was the five tech 3-4 DE. Just look who the other big boy 3-4 defenses selected. Wade is trying to put the Texans on the map.

If he is a true 5 tech, wouldn't it make more sense to stay in the 4-3??

mussop
04-29-2011, 12:00 AM
If he is a true 5 tech, wouldn't it make more sense to stay in the 4-3??

Again we run a hybrid 3/4 that is really like a 4/3.

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 12:03 AM
Again we run a hybrid 3/4 that is really like a 4/3.

In Wade's hybrid 3-4 one of your DEs will play the 5 tech, the rush OLB will line up as the other.

Both DEs do not line up as 5 techs.

If we're talking about bringing Watt in on passing downs only as a 5 tech opposite Mario, we just used the #11 pick in the 2011 draft to draft Connor Barwin.

So unless they plan on shopping Mario, this doesn't make sense to me.


I don't have a problem with shopping Mario, but until it happens, I'm just not seeing it.

beerlover
04-29-2011, 12:05 AM
Again we run a hybrid 3/4 that is really like a 4/3.

that's an excellent point. Wade Phillips 3-4 is a little mix of both so all should be good, he really likes Mitchell starting with Cody as back-up nose. I've seen & talked with Earl this post season & he is very thick yet trim, not a fat boy slim, just beefy strong, smart has unbelievable work ethic too. Things are gonna be a lot better, I can feel it.

TexansSeminole
04-29-2011, 12:08 AM
I'm happy with the selection. I don't think anybody thought that Antonio Smith was our long term solution at 3-4 DE. It's a little bit of a bummer short-term as we need so many starters right now, but Watt looks like a great fit for the future. He'll also add depth. People undervalue depth at defensive line. Good defenses rotate guys throughout the game and Watt should still help us in the short-term even if he doesn't start.

Looking forward, we desperately need to do something about our outside linebacker and safety situation. The fact that we are drafting before we are getting guys in free agency is making this more stressful than usual.

We've got Barwin (maybe Cushing?) at OLB right now and that's it. If we don't get a young guy in this draft, I am going to be very nervous about the direction of the football team. This position is absolutely crucial in grading our draft as it is such a huge need.

My question now is, do we value outside linebacker or safety high enough to maybe reach on one here in the 2nd or do we just continue to go a tentative BPA style?

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 12:13 AM
I'm happy with the selection. I don't think anybody thought that Antonio Smith was our long term solution at 3-4 DE.

I agree with this.

But my point, is that you don't take a 3-4 DE with the 11th pick in the draft.

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 12:18 AM
We've got Barwin (maybe Cushing?) at OLB right now and that's it. If we don't get a young guy in this draft, I am going to be very nervous about the direction of the football team. This position is absolutely crucial in grading our draft as it is such a huge need.


What has Barwin done that Mark Anderson has not?

Anderson looks more fluid & explosive & if I were to guess, I would think he projects better at OLB than Barwin.

He had a hell of a rookie season, but dropped off around the same time that Bears defense mysteriously disappeared. Got a change of scenery in Houston & did a good job for a guy off the street.

He may very well be the biggest surprise of the season.

IMO, if we aren't getting Quin or Von Miller in the first, I think Anderson..... Barwin..... even Nading just as promising as anyone left.

Tx Longhorn
04-29-2011, 12:18 AM
If the Texans want Aaron Williams, they need to trade up now.

They'd really only have to move past Dallas. San Francisco and Dallas are the teams ahead of them who need help at CB, and I forsee San Francisco taking a QB. It also wouldn't stun me to see Dallas pass on Williams.

Either way, whether it's Williams, Harris or Dowling, a pretty solid CB will be available in Round 2.

Second Honeymoon
04-29-2011, 12:19 AM
I agree with this.

But my point, is that you don't take a 3-4 DE with the 11th pick in the draft.

Bad value Bad pick
Par for the course. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Texanmike02
04-29-2011, 12:20 AM
I understand that. But that was the conversation.

No. The conversation was that he wasn't Reggie Bush or Vince Young. Everyone recognized that we didn't have a 4-3 DE on the roster, they just didn't think he was good enough to be number 1 overall.

Mike

MojoX
04-29-2011, 12:24 AM
I agree with this.

But my point, is that you don't take a 3-4 DE with the 11th pick in the draft.

Would it be OK to do it with the 13th pick? That is what the Patriots did in 2003, drafting Ty Warren when they switched to a base 3-4. (They had been running hybrid out of the 4-3 base, previously.) That change also meant moving #6 pick Richard Seymour to 3-4 end. Worked out for them.

Texanmike02
04-29-2011, 12:27 AM
From everything I've read and seen from Badger fans who followed Watt's career, and from draft profile sites, noone will work harder than Watt.

Lets just hope he doesn't over train.

Mike

beerlover
04-29-2011, 12:28 AM
Lets just hope he doesn't over train.

Mike

fat chance, he'll get plenty of advice :ahhaha:

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 12:29 AM
No. The conversation was that he wasn't Reggie Bush or Vince Young. Everyone recognized that we didn't have a 4-3 DE on the roster, they just didn't think he was good enough to be number 1 overall.

Mike

That was a different conversation all together.

You don't take a 3-4 DE with the #1 overall regardless who he is not.

You don't take a 3-4 DE with a top ten pick & while 11 isn't a top ten, it's damn close.

& I understand the hybrid 3-4. But to take a DE this high in the draft, he's got to be slotted to replace Mario. Maybe play opposite Mario for one year then moving him to that spot eventually.

To me. Taking the best 5 tech in this draft for a 3-4 defense is like drafting a third down back with the #1 overall.

Brisco_County
04-29-2011, 12:30 AM
I'm going to let my imagination run wild for two seconds:

When the CBA is established, Kubiak trades Mario to his buddy Elway for Von Miller.

Logic tells me I'm off my rocker, but my gut tells me it's not far fetched..

CloakNNNdagger
04-29-2011, 12:31 AM
Lets just hope he doesn't over train.

Mike

Yeh. Just hope Cush doesn't needle him too much as a rookie.:shades:

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 12:31 AM
Would it be OK to do it with the 13th pick? That is what the Patriots did in 2003, drafting Ty Warren when they switched to a base 3-4. (They had been running hybrid out of the 4-3 base, previously.) That change also meant moving #6 pick Richard Seymour to 3-4 end. Worked out for them.

I'll have to go back and see if I can watch some of those games. None of that is ringing a bell.

But just because the Patriots do it doesn't automatically make me think it's the right thing to do. They have had their share of draft flops as well.

Not that Warren or Seymour were flops.

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 12:35 AM
I'm going to let my imagination run wild for two seconds:

When the CBA is established, Kubiak trades Mario to his buddy Elway for Von Miller.

Logic tells me I'm off my rocker, but my gut tells me it's not far fetched..

How about Mario for Champ Bailey?

We draft Brandon Harris in the second, Quin plays SS, Champ plays FS & mentors Allen, KJac, Harris, McManis, & McCain.

steelbtexan
04-29-2011, 12:37 AM
Watt is a better DE than Smith right now. Hopefully Watts intensity will rub off on AS and MW. (Doubtful)

Smith will provide great depth though.

Texanmike02
04-29-2011, 12:37 AM
That was a different conversation all together.

You don't take a 3-4 DE with the #1 overall regardless who he is not.

You don't take a 3-4 DE with a top ten pick & while 11 isn't a top ten, it's damn close.

& I understand the hybrid 3-4. But to take a DE this high in the draft, he's got to be slotted to replace Mario. Maybe play opposite Mario for one year then moving him to that spot eventually.

To me. Taking the best 5 tech in this draft for a 3-4 defense is like drafting a third down back with the #1 overall.

OK. I'm sure someone was having that conversation... but I don't remember that. I don't know that there is any position other than maybe kicker that you don't take with the number 1 pick. I mean a few years ago RBs were always taken in the first 3 or 4 picks... now they are less of a commodity... the game changes and people move up the boards. You don't take a DT with a top 3 pick either. If you are watching someone and they are saying "that's not good value" for that pick... Ingram was GREAT value at 11...

Mike

GP
04-29-2011, 12:37 AM
J.J. Watt is one of the best athletes in the entire draft. How the heck does he have a "low ceiling"?

I love the pick. Now we need to back up that back 7 in round 2.

This, for me, makes up for Gary and Co. passing on Aaron Schobel last season.

JJ Watt is a young, healthy Aaron Schobel.

In unrelated draft news: Watching film of Mark Ingram, he reminds me of a heavier Emmitt Smith. The way Ingram moves around when finding his running lanes--very sneaky, as in "Ah, he's dead. What?!?! No way. Wow.--I think the Saints did well right there. They had to have a guy like that. A guy who can create his own luck instead of relying on 15 yards of open field to "create in."

Texanmike02
04-29-2011, 12:38 AM
Watt is a better DE than Smith right now. Hopefully Watts intensity will rub off on AS and MW. (Doubtful)

Smith will provide great depth though.

Smith?

Mike

MojoX
04-29-2011, 12:43 AM
I'll have to go back and see if I can watch some of those games. None of that is ringing a bell.

But just because the Patriots do it doesn't automatically make me think it's the right thing to do. They have had their share of draft flops as well.

Not that Warren or Seymour were flops.

While you search for video to verify the claim, use google and find media coverage second guessing the move when the Patriots made it. You'll find quotes from Belichick himself discussing the defensive changes.

3-4 ends don't fill the box score, but great ones make it possible for the LBs to swoop in and get the glory. You can't measure Seymour's impact on the Pats defense by his sack totals. But he was the core of that machine for quite a while.

Honoring Earl 34
04-29-2011, 12:45 AM
While you search for video to verify the claim, use google and find media coverage second guessing the move when the Patriots made it. You'll find quotes from Belichick himself discussing the defensive changes.

3-4 ends don't fill the box score, but great ones make it possible for the LBs to swoop in and get the glory. You can't measure Seymour's impact on the Pats defense by his sack totals. But he was the core of that machine for quite a while.

When Pioli went to the Chiefs , who was his pick ?

TexansSeminole
04-29-2011, 12:46 AM
What has Barwin done that Mark Anderson has not?

Anderson looks more fluid & explosive & if I were to guess, I would think he projects better at OLB than Barwin.

He had a hell of a rookie season, but dropped off around the same time that Bears defense mysteriously disappeared. Got a change of scenery in Houston & did a good job for a guy off the street.


I see alot of validity in this whole argument. It really goes to my deeper point that we really just don't have any solid OLBs. When your talking about a Connor Barwin, Mark Anderson, and Jesse Nading rotation, you realize just how poor the position is.

IMO, if we aren't getting Quin or Von Miller in the first, I think Anderson..... Barwin..... even Nading just as promising as anyone left.

Obviously, judging by what I just said, I dont agree with this at all. We desperately need to upgrade the position through the draft IMO.

MojoX
04-29-2011, 12:48 AM
OK. I'm sure someone was having that conversation... but I don't remember that. I don't know that there is any position other than maybe kicker that you don't take with the number 1 pick. I mean a few years ago RBs were always taken in the first 3 or 4 picks... now they are less of a commodity... the game changes and people move up the boards. You don't take a DT with a top 3 pick either. If you are watching someone and they are saying "that's not good value" for that pick... Ingram was GREAT value at 11...

Mike

I think this is a keen observation. The market for different talent changes as offensive and defensive systems change in the league. Nearly half (?) of the NFL teams are running 3-4. That results in 3-4 personnel getting drafted higher. Supply and demand.

TexansSeminole
04-29-2011, 12:51 AM
Would it be OK to do it with the 13th pick? That is what the Patriots did in 2003, drafting Ty Warren when they switched to a base 3-4. (They had been running hybrid out of the 4-3 base, previously.) That change also meant moving #6 pick Richard Seymour to 3-4 end. Worked out for them.

On point. Rep.:handshake:

GP
04-29-2011, 12:59 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if we try to grab some sort of 3-4 NT in round 2.

TexansSeminole
04-29-2011, 01:00 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if we try to grab some sort of 3-4 NT in round 2.

I'm thinking either linebacker or secondary. We haven't been able to do anything in free agency, and if we strike out there we have to have SOMEONE to play the positions. Even still, Mitchell and Cody don't excite me at all.

So many needs.

steelbtexan
04-29-2011, 01:11 AM
Smith?

Mike

Antonio Smith

J_R
04-29-2011, 01:16 AM
May have been posted.

More with/from Watt (http://host.madison.com/sports/article_27bdeb88-7216-11e0-9d36-001cc4c002e0.html):

Q: What are your initial thoughts on being selected by Houston?

Watt: It's a great day to be a Texan. I can't wait to get down to Houston and start getting to work."

Q: Did you have any inclination that the Texans were going to pick you?

Watt: "I didn't know exactly. I knew it was one of the teams that might pick me. At the end of the day, I was waiting for a phone call and was extremely excited when it came from Houston."

Q: What do you think of the Texans' defense?

Watt: "I know (DE) Mario Williams is a great defensive end. I can't wait to play on the same defensive line as him because he makes everyone around him look good. Hopefully I am there to take some blocks off him, as well. (Defensive coordinator) Wade Phillips has a great defense. I am ready to get to work."

Q: What are your impressions of defensive coordinator Wade Phillips and head coach Gary Kubiak through your pre-draft meetings?

Watt: "They are great coaches. They want guys who are going to work hard and give them everything they have. I really like that they push their guys to the limit and I am going to give them 100 percent."

Q: How do you project your abilities as a transitional offensive player aiding the Texans' defense?

Watt: "I have good athleticism. When you have a guy like (DE) Mario Williams on the other side, he's a great athlete as well. I am excited to come in, learn the defensive, and give them everything I got."

Q: How did you get such a strong work ethic?


Watt: "I got that from my parents and coaches growing up. One thing my parents always told me, ‘If you are going to do something, do it 100%.' That is what I have tried to do on the football field. I would be disrespecting the game if I didn't give it 100 percent all the time. That's what the Texans are going to get, a guy that comes to work every single day and give them everything I got."

Q: What do you think about moving inside in certain situations?

Watt: "That's fine by me. I'm more than happy to move inside in certain situations. I feel very comfortable playing anywhere along the defensive line. The goal is to sack (Indianapolis QB) Peyton Manning; that's what everyone around here is saying. That's my job."

Q: How did you develop a knack for deflecting passes?


Watt: "That is something I learned over my career. I was never really taught about it. I figured it's one great way to limit the QB's throwing range is to put your hands up. It's something I have tried to work in over my career and it's worked great for me."

Q: What are the expectations for you to perform as a first-round selection?

Watt: "I think it's expected to be a first-round draft pick that you come in and perform. No one has higher expectations for me than I do. I am going to come in and give it everything I have, and at the end of the day, I hope it helps the team win football games because, that is what it's all about."

Q: Have you spoken with the two ex-Badgers on the Texans, TEs Owen Daniels and Garrett Graham?

Watt: "I have talked to them a little bit. I talked to Garrett a couple weeks ago and they love it down there. They say nothing but great things about the Houston area and the Texans' fans. I can't wait to experience it for myself."

Q: Did you expect to be drafted by the Texans?

Watt: "I really didn't. It's been a crazy process. I had no idea where I would end up in the draft. I was taking it as it comes but I'm extremely excited to be a Texan."

Q: Are you eager to sack the league's premier quarterbacks?

Watt: "That's definitely the goal of a defensive end is to sack quarterbacks. To me it doesn't matter what number or jersey they are wearing, I want to get them all. That should be the mentality of all defensive ends - that you want to sack every quarterback you play. That is the goal."

Q: What is your biggest strength?


Watt: "My biggest strength is my work ethic. I am going to put a ton of time in the film room, weight room, and on the field. Like I said, I am going to give you every single thing I have, every single play, and at the end of the day we're going to win football games because of it."

...

Q: Did you envision playing in the NFL while in community college?

Watt: "That was always the goal and the dream. I worked every single day towards it, but the feeling I had today I could have never imagined. It's an unbelievable feeling and words can't express how I feel.
"Glad to be a Texan."
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Wade Phillips on Watt (http://host.madison.com/sports/article_2eba6732-7215-11e0-adfe-001cc4c002e0.html):

Opening statement
"J.J. Watt, I think you talk about value and you talk about need and we certainly needed a defensive player. He was the top guy we had right there and right then. I like his ability. He's our kind of player. He plays a hundred miles per hour every play. This was the kind of player we want on the Texans defense. He reminds me a lot of Phil Hansen, who I had at Buffalo for a while, that same kind of size, movement and temperament. If he plays anywhere close to Phil Hansen, that'd be great for us. I think the kid is very talented athletically. He ran a 4.81, I believe, at 290 pounds. They worked him out as an outside backer and he actually didn't look bad at 290 pounds as an outside backer. He's really a defensive lineman and at 6'5½", 34 reps, he's strong and we think he can come in and help our defensive line and play really well in our area. He is a good pass rusher. He will help us on the pass rush. I think he had seven sacks this year. He's just coming along. He played tight end. He moved from Central Michigan where he was a tight end and is really working his way up as a defensive end. He keeps getting better and better because he works at it. He's become stronger. He's become faster and he's going to keep helping himself because he's such a hard worker. I was impressed with the way we did the draft. All the scenarios we've been through before. Every single one of them that got to our point, we had gone through so I was impressed the way Rick (Smith) did it and Gary (Kubiak) and how they set it up. We had a lot of discussions. I've been with teams where we had a lot of arguments. These were discussions. People made their points. We came down to our final decision and we think it's a really good one for us."

Q: What put J.J. Watt ahead of other players available when he was selected?

Phillips: "I think he's just a really good football player. He led their team in sacks, caused fumbles, hurries and blocked kicks. He was second on their team in tackles and second on their team in passes defensed. Now passes defensed for a defensive lineman and tackles for a defensive lineman at that position are rare. This guy makes a lot of plays."

Q: How does he compare to Nick Fairley?

Phillips: "I don't want to talk about another player. I'll talk about our player. We decided who we wanted to go with. We had been through the scenarios and this was our pick and we feel good with it."

Q: How does the Wisconsin defense translate to that of the Texans?

Phillips: "It's a little different than ours. You have to project what a player can and can't do, but he did play a lot against offensive tackles and five-technique type things. He's really good at getting off blocks. Once he's engaged, he gets of blocks quickly and that's why he's been able to make a lot of tackles. He knocked down an inordinate amount of passes. He is tall, but there are a lot of tall guys that don't have that feel to reach up and knock the ball down when they're throwing it. I know he had six or eight of those; a lot more than any other player that I've seen."

Q: Were you surprised DE Aldon Smith was selected by San Francisco so early?

Phillips: "No. We liked him. We liked him all along. I think he's a good player. I think that's a good pick for them. People recognize good players."

Q: What sort of versatility does Watt provide playing opposite Mario Williams?

Phillips: "Well I think it gives us a lot of versatility with Mario now. This guy can play the left end for you and that gives you some versatility with what you want to do with Mario. I think that's a big key point for us also."

Q: Did you feel Watt would be there later in the round?

Phillips: "You can make expositions all the time and say if you trade back and still get the same guy or this guy or that guy. We talked about Aldon Smith and obviously we liked Aldon Smith. He was taken way before we even picked. If you've got a good player and you really like him, you better take him at that point. If you've got four guys that you think are the same guy, then that's a different thing."

Q: Were you tempted to trade up?

Phillips: "We really never had that opportunity. It never came about. I think we were open to that and I think Rick said that earlier. The opportunity never really arose."

Q: Does the selection fo Watt change the defensive focus in later rounds?


Phillips: "No. We need to get defensive players. Our coaches that were in the room, we're holding up defense every time we get a chance. When Rick looks back, we're holding up defense. We still need some more defensive players. What's best for the team is what's best for me, I don't mean that. I think it's clear that we need a lot of defense in this draft."

Q: How much input did you have in the pick?

Phillips: "I think the great thing about this was it was an organizational decision. I think we were real strong in that area."

Q: Where will Watt play on the defensive line?

Phillips: "I think he'll play defensive end, although you saw him in the pass rush situations, you saw him on the highlight film play on the nose and beat the center because he's a good athlete and if you get him one-on-one, he's going to give them problems. Just like all our guys, we're going to try and get him one-on-one as much as we can. I look to him to play at defensive end on first and second downs and maybe go inside on third, but that remains to be seen. When you've got (Connor) Barwin and (Mario) Williams outside, if you he can play inside which I think he can, we saw him do that in the pass rush and that was a strong area for him. He'll fit well."

Q: Would you move Mario Williams to outside linebacker?

Phillips: "There's a possibility that he could play defensive end or outside backer, I think."

Q: What will you expect Watt to contribute in 2011?


Phillips: "Anytime you pick a guy with the 11th pick of the draft, you expect them to play and help you this season. I think that's a reasonable expectation."

GP
04-29-2011, 01:18 AM
I'm thinking either linebacker or secondary. We haven't been able to do anything in free agency, and if we strike out there we have to have SOMEONE to play the positions. Even still, Mitchell and Cody don't excite me at all.

So many needs.

I can see Wade thinking he can go grab some sleeper-type pick in round 2, thinking this: "I have Mario, I have Barwin, and I have JJ Watt. I have my speed guys. I need my trashy, gritty guy right in the big fat middle of the dline to tie up two blockers."

I think Amobi and Smith and Cody are borderline JAGs unless they adapt and buy-in and just decide to pick up the lunch pail and play lineman in a 3-4. IIRC, one of Antonio's concerns when he came here from Arizona was that Arizona had been routinely dropping him down inside the dline (Arizona shifted their dline guys around a bunch that year, on almost every play IIRC) and he was saying he felt he did better the further out from the center he could get.

I could be wrong. Antonio could be a good 3-4 player. Who knows.

I am hoping Mario, Barwin and Watt become a good trio out there.

The scouting combine stats on Watt are crazy. He had the best vertical out of his competitors, almost the best broadjump, and almost the best bench presses. Those are seriously the attributes of someone who can PHYSICALLY do more than the others surrounding him. He's going to be better at jumping and batting down QB passes (something hardly any of our guys did last year), because of his broad jump skills he's going to be able to leave his feet and cover lots of ground when he's got to go make a play on a ball carrier, and his strength and endurance when using his strength on the field (holding up over a long period of time) is going to be very good.

Throw in the fact that he never stops (like Barwin) and I can't help but feel good. I feel better about this than had we picked up some guy who is a project player. You know what you're getting with Watt: A guy who hustles, has the measurable qualities that are superior to his competitors in this draft, and is--technically--a guy filling a need.

We talk about BPA and need. I think this filled both those categories at once. It's also going to be up to Wade to use him right, and up to Watt to be the player Wade thinks he can be. He's just "a pick" right now. I'm not hating the pick, and now all I care is to see how does out there.

LonerATO
04-29-2011, 01:27 AM
I loved how NFL Total Access after the draft didn't even bring up the Texans and their selection of Watt.

TexansSeminole
04-29-2011, 01:31 AM
Q: What is your biggest strength?


Watt: "My biggest strength is my work ethic. I am going to put a ton of time in the film room, weight room, and on the field. Like I said, I am going to give you every single thing I have, every single play, and at the end of the day we're going to win football games because of it."

That is exactly what you want to hear.

GP
04-29-2011, 01:40 AM
That is exactly what you want to hear.

We're on the same wavelength on a lot of stuff.

Notice how decisive he is with his answers. He is projecting success when he answers. With past first rounders we've had, it seemed like they were just glad to be in the NFL and were star-struck and honored to be here and almost like they won the lottery. Like life is no easier and it's a relief to be getting that big paycheck.

This guy is saying "To hell with that stuff. Let's go kick ass. Let's crack helmets. Let's win games."

No fluff. All action-based language with him. He isn't caught up in the personal self-serving Wow I Made It! stuff.

I just don't want to hear that he is acquiring over-training syndrome like a certain Texans player did.

Tx Longhorn
04-29-2011, 01:51 AM
"He's not a poor man's anybody," Iverson said. "He thinks he's similar to Howie Long. He's a little like Jared Allen but bigger. ... He's like Holliday, though. He'll get you eight, nine sacks a year, you won't be able to run the ball at him, and he'll play 10-12 years."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7542492.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Ftopheadlin es+%28chron.com+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Twitter

eriadoc
04-29-2011, 01:51 AM
So I think I'm the only person on the planet who thinks that the team's #1 need is inside pass rush. I'm of the opinion that collapsing the pocket in the middle will help Mario's outside rush, allow the team to rush outside backers better, and even us the CB blitz now and again. So ignoring for a minute that you all disagree with me, does Watt give us any of that?

Also, I love that he was a TE. I mean, before long we can dominate the league's All-Former TE team.

leebigeztx
04-29-2011, 01:51 AM
Great Pick. He and Mario will get natural pressure and allow the lb's to come free. If justin houston,rahim moore,aaron willams should be the next choice. Moch should also be an option,but kenrick ellis in the 3rd would be great.

Ole Miss Texan
04-29-2011, 01:55 AM
I frigging love this pick. I'm so happy Watt is the guy. Let's go and get ourselves a stud OLB in the 2nd now!!!

TheMatrix31
04-29-2011, 02:27 AM
Well, I don't know much about college football....but reading all of your thoughts and opinions gets me excited.

Now let's fix that effin' secondary. PLEASE.

Norg
04-29-2011, 02:46 AM
I loved how NFL Total Access after the draft didn't even bring up the Texans and their selection of Watt.

i know they tottal skipped US LOL WTF typical of them

we need to start gretting "W" and get them fast

Rey
04-29-2011, 07:33 AM
What has Barwin done that Mark Anderson has not?

Anderson looks more fluid & explosive & if I were to guess, I would think he projects better at OLB than Barwin.

He had a hell of a rookie season, but dropped off around the same time that Bears defense mysteriously disappeared. Got a change of scenery in Houston & did a good job for a guy off the street.

He may very well be the biggest surprise of the season.

IMO, if we aren't getting Quin or Von Miller in the first, I think Anderson..... Barwin..... even Nading just as promising as anyone left.

I agree pretty much everything you wrote here.

Señor Stan
04-29-2011, 07:56 AM
So I think I'm the only person on the planet who thinks that the team's #1 need is inside pass rush. I'm of the opinion that collapsing the pocket in the middle will help Mario's outside rush, allow the team to rush outside backers better, and even us the CB blitz now and again. So ignoring for a minute that you all disagree with me, does Watt give us any of that?

Also, I love that he was a TE. I mean, before long we can dominate the league's All-Former TE team.

While I don't disagree that an inside rush is critical, it begs the question of who at #11 would fill that need. Nose Tackle...ILB...??? The only guy taken at those positions in the entire 1st round was Phil Taylor at 21 to the Browns.

Also Watt will help the inside rush when on passing downs when they slide into a 4-3 front.

BigBull17
04-29-2011, 08:01 AM
Watt could play some nose in Wade's 3-4. He isn't much smaller than Ratliff. I kind of like the pick. The top guys at OLB have too many risks around them, and I think the best rush lb in this draft will end up being a small school guy. Prince is vastly over-rated. I'm cool if they tried to trade down and couldn't.

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2011, 08:06 AM
I love that wade agreed with my Hansen comparison. Great minds think alike.

LikeMike
04-29-2011, 08:29 AM
I really like the pick - especially what I´m reading about him. A physical freak on the D-Line that never takes a play off and always goes 100%, and who doesn`t only get to the QB, but also is great against the run and at swatting away balls. A player that can play DE or NT. And a player that gives us the flexibility to put Mario at OLB. And a player that is thought to have a nice, long career.

I don`t know how you can argue with that. True, he might not be that flashy player with great stats that people want to see - but he will make this team better - if everything we read here translate, he will make this team way better!

True, Fairley or Quinn would`ve been nice pickups as well, that filled a need. I guess the Texans never thought about Quinn due to his issues - and probably Wade didn`t see Fairley as a good fit.

Now, let`s see what we do with our second. I´d be happy with OLB (Houston?), NT (Pea?) or S (Moore?) here... I´d love to pick up a CB in FA - add Aso to the mix, and get a rush LB soon, and this team suddenly has a pretty impressive defense.

Playoffs
04-29-2011, 08:39 AM
In two years, more fans will know who Fairley & Quinn are than Watt.

:mariopalm:

CloakNNNdagger
04-29-2011, 08:45 AM
Q: How did you develop a knack for deflecting passes?


Watt: "That is something I learned over my career. I was never really taught about it. I figured it's one great way to limit the QB's throwing range is to put your hands up. It's something I have tried to work in over my career and it's worked great for me."

This caught my eye. I remember repeatedly screaming as the D.

He figured something out in his short experience which was pointed out all last year...........that which none of the D coaches evidently ever learned, taught or emphasized. Our D, more times than not, were rushing with their hands in their pockets................an NFLtechnique solely attributed to the Texans' coaching staff.:wadepalm:

LikeMike
04-29-2011, 08:47 AM
In two years, more fans will know who Fairley & Quinn are than Watt.

:mariopalm:

Yeah, but that doesn`t have to be a good thing. Character issues on Fairley and a tendency to take plays off - Quinn has medical issues and missed most of the season due to taking illegal benefits. Both of those guys have major bust potential.

Watt seems to be a safe pick. I know, people hate "safe picks" after KJax - but safe is actually a good thing. And if a player is safe and has a huge upside with great atheleticism, you can be happy to have him on your team.

TEXANRED
04-29-2011, 09:00 AM
I like the fact that everyone is getting their panties in a twist. The last time the fans were gathering to burn down Reliant after getting surprised with drafting a DE it worked out for us.

I love this pick. We have always said build you foundation first. Watt will keep the OL off our LB's so they can do their job.

Now we go get ourselves a DT tonight.

beerlover
04-29-2011, 09:06 AM
JJ Watt was ranked TENTH best overall prospect in this years NFL draft by ourlads scouting service. Justin Houston & Akeem Ayers are still on the board they are rated #2 & #3 OLB's. CB wise its Aaron Williams & Brandon Harris. Those are the four names to keep an eye on in the 2nd rd.

Porky
04-29-2011, 09:16 AM
I can't believe I am about to say this, but I love the pick! The Texans actually got one right - probably because this was Wade's pick. I don't like Wade that much as a HC, but you can't argue with his success as a DC and he knows how to pick players for his D. My guess is sans Wade, they would have taken Prince. Thank goodness they didn't make that mistake.

I admit I would have taken Quinn, but Watt was my 2nd choice. I did not want Prince or Fairley. I saw too many red flags, and they are boom or bust. And truth be told Quinn has medical red flags as well, and he is boom or bust too, but I just have a gut feeling that Quinn is going to be special. I was also thrilled when SF took Aldon Smith. I didn't like him at all.

Watt, while maybe the safest pick in the draft is also perhaps one of the better picks in the 1st round. Safe doesn't always mean bad. The guy has one of the highest floors in the draft imo. I would be absoutely shocked if he is not a 10+ yr impact starter. And with the busts this team has taken year after year on defense, you have to like that. Smithiak simply does not have a clue on how to draft defense. Wade's biggest contribution may be in getting some real talent in here on defense.

And whomever said this means the end of Mario is smoking crack. That is not going to happen. But I do think this means the likely end of Babyface Okoye. I don't know if he has any value, but if they could salvage a 4th or 5th rd pick in this draft for him, I would take it as they may be forced to just release him otherwise.

DonnyMost
04-29-2011, 09:23 AM
J.J. Watt was the most overlooked Defensive Lineman in the entire draft.

The Texans played this one close to the chest and came away with a 10 year starter that should notch a few pro bowls as well.

Watt is a model of consistency and work ethic, there probably wasn't another DL/DE in the draft more ready to contribute on the NFL level than him. Love the pick.

Now go get Rahim Moore/Quiton Carter and Akeem Ayers/Justin Houston and call it a day.

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 09:26 AM
OK. I'm sure someone was having that conversation... but I don't remember that. I don't know that there is any position other than maybe kicker that you don't take with the number 1 pick. I mean a few years ago RBs were always taken in the first 3 or 4 picks... now they are less of a commodity... the game changes and people move up the boards. You don't take a DT with a top 3 pick either. If you are watching someone and they are saying "that's not good value" for that pick... Ingram was GREAT value at 11...

Mike

Very good argument, the NFL does change over time. Hopefully we'll see something we've never seen out of 3/4 DEs in 2011 that will justify it.

BigBull17
04-29-2011, 09:26 AM
In two years, more fans will know who Fairley & Quinn are than Watt.

:mariopalm:

Quinn scarred me because:

A) He missed a whole year of football
B) He is only 20
C) He has a brain tumor

I know the tumor SHOULD be ok, but when you are a cursed team, ala us, you don't temp fate by drafting a player that could have his career over at any second.

I like Fairley a lot, but he isn't a 3-4 player. He is a 4-3 tackle.

All in all, I like the pick.

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 09:31 AM
While you search for video to verify the claim, use google and find media coverage second guessing the move when the Patriots made it. You'll find quotes from Belichick himself discussing the defensive changes.

3-4 ends don't fill the box score, but great ones make it possible for the LBs to swoop in and get the glory. You can't measure Seymour's impact on the Pats defense by his sack totals. But he was the core of that machine for quite a while.

I understand that.

For the job you are asking them to do, you can normally get those guys much later in the draft. With Mario & Antonio, even Okoye rotating in.... I don't think any player can do that job that much better than those three guys to justify 1 pick outside of the top 10.

We just drafted Igor Olshansky with the #11 pick.

That's all I'm saying.

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 09:33 AM
Obviously, judging by what I just said, I dont agree with this at all. We desperately need to upgrade the position through the draft IMO.

I don't believe "new" equals upgrade. If we're talking 2nd round talent, Barwin is second round talent. Anderson is a former 1st rounder (I think).

2nd round prospects from this years draft isn't an instant upgrade IMO.

DonnyMost
04-29-2011, 09:34 AM
I think having Gabbert and Locker taking snaps as rookies in our division is going to help us a lot more than any player we could have drafted.

Señor Stan
04-29-2011, 09:44 AM
I don't believe "new" equals upgrade. If we're talking 2nd round talent, Barwin is second round talent. Anderson is a former 1st rounder (I think).

2nd round prospects from this years draft isn't an instant upgrade IMO.

Anderson was a 5th rounder.

chicagotexan2
04-29-2011, 09:50 AM
J.J. Watt was the most overlooked Defensive Lineman in the entire draft.

The Texans played this one close to the chest and came away with a 10 year starter that should notch a few pro bowls as well.

Watt is a model of consistency and work ethic, there probably wasn't another DL/DE in the draft more ready to contribute on the NFL level than him. Love the pick.

Now go get Rahim Moore/Quiton Carter and Akeem Ayers/Justin Houston and call it a day.

I'm happy about the pick. Aldom Smith was taken I wasn't sold on Prince so I'm good with Watt. But I was really hoping some team was in love with one the remaining qbs and had offered us a bounty of picks. But I'm stil happy with Watt, I think he'll be a good player.

TexCanada
04-29-2011, 09:52 AM
I frigging love this pick. I'm so happy Watt is the guy. Let's go and get ourselves a stud OLB in the 2nd now!!!

Ya I feel the same as you. Lets get Houston, Reed or Ayers with pick #2. Things will be looking a lot better if we can do that.

HOU-TEX
04-29-2011, 09:54 AM
I like this pick. We talked a lot about him over on the College board. This dude's not only a physical freak he's a damn energizer bunny on a gallon of 5 Hour Energy. I'm not just talking about games either. Whether it's lifting, running, practicing or whatever he's doing, it's 100%. Mario best take heed, otherwise, Watt will out hustle him and eventually out play him.

Now, let's all put something in our pipes and dream we get the next 2 right as well. Brooks Reed? Sam Acho? Ayers? Moch? Either way, I hope that's the position we're shootin for with our 2nd.

Again, good pick, Wade. Just keep Smith over in the corner and keep doing what you're doing

*edit* Those mentioning Houston, it's been mentioned he was one that failed his Combine drug test. Odds are the Texans won't touch him

Corrosion
04-29-2011, 09:55 AM
I think having Gabbert and Locker taking snaps as rookies in our division is going to help us a lot more than any player we could have drafted.

Locker might start for the Tits but I dont see Gabbert starting unless Garrard is injured. He'll have the luxury of holding a clipboard behind a vet for a season or two.

ThaShark316
04-29-2011, 09:58 AM
Ya I feel the same as you. Lets get Houston, Reed or Ayers with pick #2. Things will be looking a lot better if we can do that.

Reed's gonna be gone before we can even sit down to watch the draft.

I want Williams or Moore.

Errant Hothy
04-29-2011, 10:03 AM
After sleeping on it, I'm warming up to the pick.

McShay's comments that Watt has the best football instincts of any defensive player in this draft, helped.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6445730

HOU-TEX
04-29-2011, 10:04 AM
Reed's gonna be gone before we can even sit down to watch the draft.

I want Williams or Moore.

More rookie DB's starting? I'll pass. Other than Peterson, our starting secondary will not get better through this draft. We're going to have to throw a little dough around in FA and nab a vet or two. Will we draft a DB or two? Sure, we do practically every year. Good enough to help this secondary right away? Nope

Errant Hothy
04-29-2011, 10:10 AM
More rookie DB's starting? I'll pass. Other than Peterson, our starting secondary will not get better through this draft. We're going to have to throw a little dough around in FA and nab a vet or two. Will we draft a DB or two? Sure, we do practically every year. Good enough to help this secondary right away? Nope

I think A. Williams at FS would help, after that I agree. That does not mean I would be opposed to drafting a CB in the second round.

LikeMike
04-29-2011, 10:12 AM
So, let`s look at different lineups possible right now:

Watt - Mitchell - Smith
Mario - Cushing - Ryans - Barwin
KJax - Quin - Nolan - Allen

Looks good on the front 7 IF Marion can play OLB. Now let`s look at something else:

Mario - Mitchell - Smith
Cushing - Sharpton - Ryans - Barwin
KJax - Quin - Nolan - Allen

With this we have Watt as the backup of Mario and Smith - keep everyone fresh all the time without losing any production. The question is, how good can Cushing be at OLB.

So, if we see Mario as an OLB, drafting secondary will become a priority. I could even see drafting a NT and being set at the DLine with starters and backups. If neither Mario nor Cushing are projected OLBs, we desperately need an edge rushing OLB NOW. Very little depth and only one starter that`s coming of an injury.

CloakNNNdagger
04-29-2011, 10:23 AM
Surprise! Solomon didn't especially like the pick.

Fairley sure Auburn star a wiser pick (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7542528.html)

Rey
04-29-2011, 10:23 AM
How about

Mario. Watt/kenrick Ellis. Smith

Barwin. Ryans. Cushing. 2nd round olb/Anderson

Playoffs
04-29-2011, 10:23 AM
Watt seems to be a safe pick...
Yeah, safe pick, workout warrior.

I wanted a difference maker,

Disruptive force,

Quick first step,

Who blows up plays.

Oh, well. Too bad this is worst linebacker & safety class in years...just our luck.

otisbean
04-29-2011, 10:24 AM
I love this pick. Watt is a freakshow athlete with a relentless motor. Quite frankly we need more guys like him. His 10yd splits were very similar to Quin and Kerrigan and better then Fairley and Smith. He posted terrific jump number and a very fast short shuttle time. He's also relatively new to the DE position. I expect big things from Watt and our defense just got alot better!

otisbean
04-29-2011, 10:26 AM
Yeah, safe pick, workout warrior.

I wanted a difference maker,

Disruptive force,

Quick first step,

Who blows up plays.

Oh, well. Too bad this is worst linebacker & safety class in years...just our luck.

We got a difference maker that has everything you just listed. Put on game tapes of Watt and you'll come away impressed.

CloakNNNdagger
04-29-2011, 10:27 AM
Lots of valid points about the pick, brought up by fans.


Do you approve of the pick of J.J. Watt? (http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2011/04/do_you_approve_of_the_pick_of.html)

DonnyMost
04-29-2011, 10:30 AM
Yeah, safe pick, workout warrior.

I wanted a difference maker,

Disruptive force,

Quick first step,

Who blows up plays.

Oh, well. Too bad this is worst linebacker & safety class in years...just our luck.

Did you watch JJ Watt play this year?

He has insane acceleration but lacks top speed, he is involved in nearly every single tackle in the backfield.

Sounds like you got exactly what you wanted, but you don't realize it.

Second Honeymoon
04-29-2011, 10:30 AM
Surprise! Solomon didn't especially like the pick.

Fairley sure Auburn star a wiser pick (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7542528.html)

Fairley isn't a fit, even in hybrid 3-4, but Quinn was. Fairley is a great fit in Detroit playing alongside Suh. Two DTs with mean streaks. Suh will push Fairley similar to how the Texans hope Watt's energy will push Mario.

The Rams really lucked out with Quinn dropping to them.

CloakNNNdagger
04-29-2011, 10:32 AM
One funny remark I found in a fan commentary on Chron.com

Anyone with any doubts about this pick should read the cutline to picture No. 11. He began his college career as a TIGHT END!! Mystery solved.:)

rmartin65
04-29-2011, 10:33 AM
Yeah, safe pick, workout warrior.

I wanted a difference maker,

Disruptive force,

Quick first step,

Who blows up plays.

Oh, well. Too bad this is worst linebacker & safety class in years...just our luck.

Difference maker- 21 TFL, 7 sacks, 1 INT, 17 BU/PD, 2 FR, 3FF, 3 Blocked Kicks- check

Disruptive- See above stats- check

Quick first step- 1.64 ten yard split, 37" vertical- check

Blows up plays- See above stats- check

Watt's stats and workout numbers are off the charts. Add in his attitude, and you have a pro bowl player for years.

otisbean
04-29-2011, 10:33 AM
I wonder how many of those making negative comments have actually seen him play?

The1ApplePie
04-29-2011, 10:34 AM
Good pick all around, though I think Fairley and Quinn will end up being better.

The Texans still have no pass rushers though, but they do have a shot at a guy like Bowers in the 2nd.

Drafting a guy to be a backup doesn't make much since with no OLBs, NT, or safeties, but he was BPA.

CloakNNNdagger
04-29-2011, 10:35 AM
Fairley isn't a fit, even in hybrid 3-4, but Quinn was. Fairley is a great fit in Detroit playing alongside Suh. Two DTs with mean streaks. Suh will push Fairley similar to how the Texans hope Watt's energy will push Mario.

The Rams really lucked out with Quinn dropping to them.

That is a sad state of affairs.

Ndevine7
04-29-2011, 10:36 AM
After watching some more film on Watt im starting to like the pick more and more. No one knows how effective MW or AS will be in the 3-4 and Watt has an amazing motor. My favorite thing about him is if he cant get to the QB he puts his hands up and trys to bat down the ball. I still like Quinn over him but i have no problem with Watt who will be a very good player in this league

Errant Hothy
04-29-2011, 10:37 AM
Is Wisconsin becoming the new Colorado State?

HoustonFrog
04-29-2011, 10:38 AM
I wonder how many of those making negative comments have actually seen him play?

My comments aren't negative in a personal way..I like the guy alot...but I saw him play TCU and saw alot of his stuff and all before that game. He has alot of good qualities but it isn't a slight to question where he will fit in this sceme and if there were better options. I think everyone does this at this point. I'm reading about Tyron Smith being the next Alex Barron on the Cowboy board.

Second Honeymoon
04-29-2011, 10:38 AM
Before the draft I told my Steeler friend that we love TEs, Colorado State, Wisconsin, and Alabama. Hit on 2 of the 3.

otisbean
04-29-2011, 10:38 AM
After watching some more film on Watt im starting to like the pick more and more. No one knows how effective MW or AS will be in the 3-4 and Watt has an amazing motor. My favorite thing about him is if he cant get to the QB he puts his hands up and trys to bat down the ball. I still like Quinn over him but i have no problem with Watt who will be a very good player in this league

There were alot of people saying Quinn was better suited for a 4-3

LikeMike
04-29-2011, 10:42 AM
Yeah, safe pick, workout warrior.

I wanted a difference maker,

Disruptive force,

Quick first step,

Who blows up plays.

Oh, well. Too bad this is worst linebacker & safety class in years...just our luck.

Watt is not the sexy pick - but a lot of sexy picks end up as busts. Reggie Bush? Vince Young? Heck you could`ve even call Okoye a sexy pick, since he had major upside.

But with those guys it`s hit or miss. Fairley? He could be Haynesworth 2.0 (the Redskins version) - Quinn? He could miss a lot of time, or not translate to Pro level.

Watt is the kind of player, that makes his team better. Sure, his stats in college were pretty good - and sure, they probably won`t be that good for the texans. But he will chase the QB, free up space for LBs and perhaps some of his attitude will help guys like MW or Okoye (if he stays).

It´s not the pick to sell tickets, but the pick to make this football team better.

Ndevine7
04-29-2011, 10:46 AM
There were alot of people saying Quinn was better suited for a 4-3

I have heard that but i think Quinn is the type of talent that can make the transition to the 3-4 similar build to Ware (6-5 270 compared to 6-4 262) but i do really like the Watt pick. FO might be scared of taking Quinn who sat out a entire year and doesnt know how he could pan out possibly be an Okoye type player.

Ndevine7
04-29-2011, 10:47 AM
Watt is not the sexy pick - but a lot of sexy picks end up as busts. Reggie Bush? Vince Young? Heck you could`ve even call Okoye a sexy pick, since he had major upside.

But with those guys it`s hit or miss. Fairley? He could be Haynesworth 2.0 (the Redskins version) - Quinn? He could miss a lot of time, or not translate to Pro level.

Watt is the kind of player, that makes his team better. Sure, his stats in college were pretty good - and sure, they probably won`t be that good for the texans. But he will chase the QB, free up space for LBs and perhaps some of his attitude will help guys like MW or Okoye (if he stays).

It´s not the pick to sell tickets, but the pick to make this football team better.

Completely agree he may not be a superstar but he will be a respected talented football player his entire career

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2011, 10:47 AM
Is Wisconsin becoming the new Colorado State?

Lets face it Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the nation. We will draft there players because of this.

Get down off the grassy mound conspiracy theorists.

otisbean
04-29-2011, 10:49 AM
My comments aren't negative in a personal way..I like the guy alot...but I saw him play TCU and saw alot of his stuff and tall before that game. He has alot of good qualities but it isn't a slight to question where he will fit in this sceme and if there were better options. I think everyone does this at this point. I'm reading about Tyron Smith being the next Alex Barron on the Cowboy board.

I was actually replying to the link CnD posted with people whining and crying at the chron.com

He fits our scheme perfectly, and allows us flexibility in how we utilize MW. To generate a pass rush all game you have to have a solid rotation of guys, and now we have that at DE, and we can move MW outside in obvious passing situations. I think MW becomes our version of Ware, where he gets moved outside but rushes 90% of the time.

I'd love to see our nickel D be a 2-4-5 with Watt and Smith inside, MW, Brawin/Anderson outside, Meco and Cush with 5 DBs (hopefully a few new ones)

One thing I can't understand is that fans have blasted us in the past for drafting for need and in some cases reaching for need, and this year we go BPA and people are slamming us for not filling needs at OLB and DB. I did not want Prince. There was a great article several weeks ago looking at how the top CBs performed against top level competition and Prince did not fare well at all. Harris did and he might be there for us in rd 2. I would have been happy with Quinn, but a lot of guys thought he was better suited for a 4-3, similar to Kerrigan. I like Fairley, but I don't think he fits our scheme.

otisbean
04-29-2011, 10:51 AM
FO might be scared of taking Quinn who sat out a entire year and doesnt know how he could pan out possibly be an Okoye type player.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. I think you also have to consider his medicals. I think Mario becomes our Ware type player. There are also some good pass rushers still out there.

The other thing I love about the Watt pick is he is relatively new to the position. I think he is just scratching the surface of his potential.

Errant Hothy
04-29-2011, 10:52 AM
Lets face it Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the nation. We will draft there players because of this.

Get down off the grassy mound conspiracy theorists.

Simmer down, that was typed with tounge firmly in cheek.

Ndevine7
04-29-2011, 10:53 AM
I think you hit the nail on the head here. I think you also have to consider his medicals. I think Mario becomes our Ware type player. There are also some good pass rushers still out there.

The other thing I love about the Watt pick is he is relatively new to the position. I think he is just scratching the surface of his potential.

I would love Mario to be a Ware type player and with Watt that makes that possible

BigBull17
04-29-2011, 10:55 AM
Surprise! Solomon didn't especially like the pick.

Fairley sure Auburn star a wiser pick (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7542528.html)

Too white. Fairley isn't a 3-4 guy.

Errant Hothy
04-29-2011, 10:55 AM
I think you hit the nail on the head here. I think you also have to consider his medicals. I think Mario becomes our Ware type player. There are also some good pass rushers still out there.

The other thing I love about the Watt pick is he is relatively new to the position. I think he is just scratching the surface of his potential.

I dont know if Mario has Ware's first step. I'm curious to find out, and if Wade thinks he can I'll give themt he benefit of the doubt for now. It's something to watch in the OTAs and training camp.

BigBull17
04-29-2011, 10:59 AM
Yeah, safe pick, workout warrior.

I wanted a difference maker,

Disruptive force,

Quick first step,

Who blows up plays.

Oh, well. Too bad this is worst linebacker & safety class in years...just our luck.

Would you like a reach on one of the risky 3-4 olb's in the first? Alot of talent but some of the guys have MAJOR red flags. Watt was safe and a lunchpail type football player. We don't draft those often.

HoustonFrog
04-29-2011, 10:59 AM
I was actually replying to the link CnD posted with people whining and crying at the chron.com

He fits our scheme perfectly, and allows us flexibility in how we utilize MW. To generate a pass rush all game you have to have a solid rotation of guys, and now we have that at DE, and we can move MW outside in obvious passing situations. I think MW becomes our version of Ware, where he gets moved outside but rushes 90% of the time.

I'd love to see our nickel D be a 2-4-5 with Watt and Smith inside, MW, Brawin/Anderson outside, Meco and Cush with 5 DBs (hopefully a few new ones)

One thing I can't understand is that fans have blasted us in the past for drafting for need and in some cases reaching for need, and this year we go BPA and people are slamming us for not filling needs at OLB and DB. I did not want Prince. There was a great article several weeks ago looking at how the top CBs performed against top level competition and Prince did not fare well at all. Harris did and he might be there for us in rd 2. I would have been happy with Quinn, but a lot of guys thought he was better suited for a 4-3, similar to Kerrigan. I like Fairley, but I don't think he fits our scheme.

I actually think some of the blasting is for thinking Watt wasn't BPA and that guys like Fairley and Quinn were better overall players. The thinking being Watt was the safe pick. Just from what I'm reading. My concern is he going to get caught up in traffic in the 3-4. Some of the highlight stuff I watched and some other pieces shows him not even getting touched on plays...like blocked.. so I'm not sure how he will do with a big body getting to him in the NFL. I like him overall though.

I dont know if Mario has Ware's first step. I'm curious to find out, and if Wade thinks he can I'll give themt he benefit of the doubt for now. It's something to watch in the OTAs and training camp.

I could be wrong but my initial answer is their first step isn't close. I remember when we got Ware and the guy was known for bending on the edge and his quick step. The guy gets off the line. Mario isn't slow but I find him or of a size/moves guy than a speed guy. He doesn't have the lean.

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2011, 11:00 AM
Simmer down, that was typed with tounge firmly in cheek.

Hard to tell the tongue in cheekers from the genuine haters.

There are people out there who talk way too much nonsense and to those people these things need to be said.

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2011, 11:01 AM
Watt was safe and a lunchpail type football player. We don't draft those often.

Watt was safe and a lunchpail type football player, who just happens to be a very gifted athlete still learning his position.

Don't undersell the guy.

BigBull17
04-29-2011, 11:03 AM
Fairley isn't a fit, even in hybrid 3-4, but Quinn was. Fairley is a great fit in Detroit playing alongside Suh. Two DTs with mean streaks. Suh will push Fairley similar to how the Texans hope Watt's energy will push Mario.

The Rams really lucked out with Quinn dropping to them.

Quinn was risky for us. With our curse, I wouldn't want to risk it.

Is Wisconsin becoming the new Colorado State?

God, I hope so. They have good players.

Errant Hothy
04-29-2011, 11:05 AM
Hard to tell the tongue in cheekers from the genuine haters.

There are people out there who talk way too much nonsense and to those people these things need to be said.

Indeed


God, I hope so. They have good players.

Agreed, I'd have no problems with a trend of drafting Wisconsin players.

mokalus
04-29-2011, 11:06 AM
I don't think anyone grumbling about the pick is grumbling that JJ Watt will be a bust. I love his attitude, work ethic, and underrated athleticism, but this pick just screams SAFE. And again, not that there's anything wrong with going with the safe pick, but I was ecstatic that the Texans had the opportunity of drafting Nick Fairley.

We can talk all we want about Mario's inability to consistently get to the QB, whether it be lack of effort or due to injury, but the push up the middle is something that opposing QBs have never had to deal with against this team. Having someone that is able to consistently collapse the pocket from the inside would help out Mario and Antonio immensely, as the QB then has to either take a few steps back or run into one of the DE's waiting arms.

I guess I just see NT as our biggest area of need, as the Amobi Okoye project is running out of "potential," and I'm not sold on Mitchell being much of a playmaker at the position.

BigBull17
04-29-2011, 11:07 AM
Watt was safe and a lunchpail type football player, who just happens to be a very gifted athlete still learning his position.

Don't undersell the guy.

I love the pick. He was 3rd on my list, after Miller and Peterson. This is a 290lb guy they worked out at OLB at the combine. Freak athlete with a blue collar attitude.

IDEXAN
04-29-2011, 11:08 AM
Are the Texans flying Watt and his family down to Houston today to introduce him like they do every year with thier top pick ?

Errant Hothy
04-29-2011, 11:09 AM
Are the Texans flying Watt and his family down to Houston today to introduce him like they do every year with thier top pick ?

Yes. He tweeted that he was boarding a flight earlier this morning.

The1ApplePie
04-29-2011, 11:10 AM
I don't think anyone grumbling about the pick is grumbling that JJ Watt will be a bust. I love his attitude, work ethic, and underrated athleticism, but this pick just screams SAFE. And again, not that there's anything wrong with going with the safe pick, but I was ecstatic that the Texans had the opportunity of drafting Nick Fairley.

We can talk all we want about Mario's inability to consistently get to the QB, whether it be lack of effort or due to injury, but the push up the middle is something that opposing QBs have never had to deal with against this team. Having someone that is able to consistently collapse the pocket from the inside would help out Mario and Antonio immensely, as the QB then has to either take a few steps back or run into one of the DE's waiting arms.

I guess I just see NT as our biggest area of need, as the Amobi Okoye project is running out of "potential," and I'm not sold on Mitchell being much of a playmaker at the position.

He was the BPA and should be a great player.

The only problem I have is with AS and MW as the DEs, he is the closest thing this defense has to a luxury pick.

Fairley could have been a monster as our jay Ratliff

VTexan
04-29-2011, 11:11 AM
I wonder how many of those making negative comments have actually seen him play?

Most people that dislike the pick have said he is a hard worker and a good player. That is not the problem.

The problem lies with the fact that we have 2 very good DE's already and nothing to solve our OLB and secondary issues or even DT.

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2011, 11:12 AM
I don't think anyone grumbling about the pick is grumbling that JJ Watt will be a bust. I love his attitude, work ethic, and underrated athleticism, but this pick just screams SAFE. And again, not that there's anything wrong with going with the safe pick, but I was ecstatic that the Texans had the opportunity of drafting Nick Fairley.

We can talk all we want about Mario's inability to consistently get to the QB, whether it be lack of effort or due to injury, but the push up the middle is something that opposing QBs have never had to deal with against this team. Having someone that is able to consistently collapse the pocket from the inside would help out Mario and Antonio immensely, as the QB then has to either take a few steps back or run into one of the DE's waiting arms.

I guess I just see NT as our biggest area of need, as the Amobi Okoye project is running out of "potential," and I'm not sold on Mitchell being much of a playmaker at the position.

Fairley is not a NT. If you asked him to take on double teams every play and eat space he would instead take to eating double cheeseburgers.

I expect him to succeed because he is in a great situation for him, being next to Suh and Van Denbosch, two guys who will beat the #(*% out of him if he slacks off or complains.

BullNation4Life
04-29-2011, 11:13 AM
Yeah, safe pick, workout warrior.

I wanted a difference maker,

Disruptive force,

Quick first step,

Who blows up plays.

Oh, well. Too bad this is worst linebacker & safety class in years...just our luck.

Have you not seen Watt play? Dude is in the backfield on the majority of the snaps. That is what the Texans got....

Why cannot people see this?

LikeMike
04-29-2011, 11:16 AM
He was the BPA and should be a great player.

The only problem I have is with AS and MW as the DEs, he is the closest thing this defense has to a luxury pick.

Fairley could have been a monster as our jay Ratliff

That`s depending on what you call luxury... with him we have the luxury to try some different things. MW as OLB. Watt as NT in passing situations. Keeping our DLine fresh at all times.

With this pick it is ok to get a 2 down NT. With this pick, if our soon to be drafted OLB doesn`t pan out or get injured, we can put Mario there and not miss a beat inside. And this pick can make the people around him better.

I too would`ve been more excited with Fairley or Quinn - but I´d also be a hell of a lot more worried. This team desperately needs players on defense that help now - they can`t have a high upside player bust. This pick needs to contribute and make the team better. Fairley and Quinn might`ve done that. Quinn will do that.

Playoffs
04-29-2011, 11:17 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-everything-to-prove/09000d5d81f00d27/Everything-to-Prove-Episode-6

Okay, we know the guy has some manual dexterity issues: not a potato peeler! :rake:

Errant Hothy
04-29-2011, 11:19 AM
JJ Watt = Techno Viking.

Brilliance from 1560.

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/1/1f/Techno-viking.jpg

Chance_C
04-29-2011, 11:27 AM
I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if this link has already been posted....http://youtu.be/8QT2-mRCgX0

Hopefully the link will work....looking forward to this guy being a fixture on our DL for years to come. The video really got me pumped up, I love his effort. He's quick, and relentless. Has big hands, and always puts them up. Love the pick!

HoustonFrog
04-29-2011, 11:32 AM
Have you not seen Watt play? Dude is in the backfield on the majority of the snaps. That is what the Texans got....

Why cannot people see this?

When you watch highlight tapes you have to be careful what you see. I just watched the first 10 plays on Watt's youtube highlight and on about 6 plays the guy wasn't touched or near blocked. Now he played awesome against my Frogs and I know overall he is a big, strong kid. But you can't just see a guy running into the backfield and expect the same thing. As I've said multiple times now, when you get him in the 3-4 at DE you might see him get caught up in traffic. One knock is him getting off blocks. So he is a great kid with a great work ethic and motor but I want to see him with big guys all around where he is getting a body on him. You don't see alot of that in college highlight films. I like the pick but having questions doesn't make it a negative.

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2011, 11:37 AM
Most people that dislike the pick have said he is a hard worker and a good player. That is not the problem.

The problem lies with the fact that we have 2 very good DE's already and nothing to solve our OLB and secondary issues or even DT.

Don't judge the draft till its drafted.

The depth and quality and value in DT and DB are in the mid rounds.

If they don't meet your needs there then complain.

BullNation4Life
04-29-2011, 11:40 AM
When you watch highlight tapes you have to be careful what you see. I just watched the first 10 plays on Watt's youtube highlight and on about 6 plays the guy wasn't touched or near blocked. Now he played awesome against my Frogs and I know overall he is a big, strong kid. But you can't just see a guy running into the backfield and expect the same thing. As I've said multiple times now, when you get him in the 3-4 at DE you might see him get caught up in traffic. One knock is him getting off blocks. So he is a great kid with a great work ethic and motor but I want to see him with big guys all around where he is getting a body on him. You don't see alot of that in college highlight films. I like the pick but having questions doesn't make it a negative.

I am more excited about what he can do at the nose. He made Ohio States center look like a punk, went right around him and was in the backfield causing chaos. I think he is going to be too quick for most of the centers in the NFL. If they are doubling him, that is putting others in 1-on-1 situations, which is what Phillips wants....

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 11:44 AM
This helps me with the pick.
Q: What sort of versatility does Watt provide playing opposite Mario Williams?

Phillips: "Well I think it gives us a lot of versatility with Mario now. This guy can play the left end for you and that gives you some versatility with what you want to do with Mario. I think that's a big key point for us also."

If Wade truly believes Watt gives us something we didn't have, allow us to do more things with Mario....... I'm good with it.

IDEXAN
04-29-2011, 11:46 AM
He was the BPA and should be a great player.

The only problem I have is with AS and MW as the DEs, he is the closest thing this defense has to a luxury pick.

Fairley could have been a monster as our jay Ratliff
I pretty much agree, except that most people felt that Fairley was a pure 4-3 3-tech whereas they said the other top DT (Darius from 'Bama) was a fit in the 3-4 or 4-3 and our pick is scheme-diverse like Darious.
The Texans obviously just didn't want any part of Quinn which is unfortuante because he was the best pure edge-rusher in the Draft. Maybe the advice from MD Anderson was he still was a risk medically speaking ?

Ole Miss Texan
04-29-2011, 11:52 AM
Yeah, safe pick, workout warrior.

I wanted a difference maker,

Disruptive force,

Quick first step,

Who blows up plays.

Oh, well. Too bad this is worst linebacker & safety class in years...just our luck.

You got everything you wanted. People hear the word "safe pick" and automatically assume he's safe in the sense he won't wow but he won't disappoint. Watt, to me, was one of the safest picks in the draft - much like Patrick Willis in 2007. At the very least you will get a guy that gives 110% on every single play of the season and will make an impact that will improve your team. At the most, you will get that guy and he gets voted to the pro-bowl. This dude is going to make our team so much better.

Ole Miss Texan
04-29-2011, 11:54 AM
I wonder how many of those making negative comments have actually seen him play?
No joke. He will instantly make fans like him and be thankful of the pick when the season starts. He's going to be a force.

And why are so many people wanting to trade away Smith and Mario now? Oh right they "said" they don't like the 3-4. This is such a good move because we're FINALLY building a dominant D-Line. Something we've been trying to do for 9 seasons and never have. Don't trade away those guys! Keep them, rotate them, move them along the line... we will never be good unless we have a dominant DL and that's what Wade's doing right now.

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 12:01 PM
I wonder how many of those making negative comments have actually seen him play?

I'm not so upset about the player. I've said many times, I don't know any of these kids.

I'm upset about the position. I don't see a 3-4 DE as an impact player.

XI CMURDER IX
04-29-2011, 12:01 PM
I think Watt is a great and safe pick. The Texans don't need to take chances on this draft! We need solid players that will help us on defense for years to come. This is that guy! This also gives us great depth at the line and will allow us to do more in different formations.

And remember guys, this is what Wade Phillips has done for a living his entire life. If you think you can do a better job, then go work your way up the coaching ranks.

BullNation4Life
04-29-2011, 12:01 PM
You got everything you wanted. People hear the word "safe pick" and automatically assume he's safe in the sense he won't wow but he won't disappoint. Watt, to me, was one of the safest picks in the draft - much like Patrick Willis in 2007. At the very least you will get a guy that gives 110% on every single play of the season and will make an impact that will improve your team. At the most, you will get that guy and he gets voted to the pro-bowl. This dude is going to make our team so much better.

I think when it comes to DEs, some judge performance by sack totals without seeing the whole picture...

They get too caught up in numbers

thunderkyss
04-29-2011, 12:02 PM
No joke. He will instantly make fans like him and be thankful of the pick when the season starts. He's going to be a force.

And why are so many people wanting to trade away Smith and Mario now? Oh right they "said" they don't like the 3-4. This is such a good move because we're FINALLY building a dominant D-Line. Something we've been trying to do for 9 seasons and never have. Don't trade away those guys! Keep them, rotate them, move them along the line... we will never be good unless we have a dominant DL and that's what Wade's doing right now.

Sounds like everything I was saying when we drafted Barwin, Mitchell, & Sheppard.

Blake
04-29-2011, 12:04 PM
I pretty much agree, except that most people felt that Fairley was a pure 4-3 3-tech whereas they said the other top DT (Darius from 'Bama) was a fit in the 3-4 or 4-3 and our pick is scheme-diverse like Darious.

Also Fairley has the "one year wonder" tag, and some say he is a dirty player where Watt has been performing at a high level for over 2 years now and seems like a standout individual.

b0ng
04-29-2011, 12:04 PM
Our D, more times than not, were rushing with their hands in their pockets................an NFLtechnique solely attributed to the Texans' coaching staff.:wadepalm:

I never thought of it like that but the picture that came into my mind is totally a picture of our D-line. As far as the actual pick goes, I like the pick because I think the Texans got the position right. I was worried about Aldon Smith or Julio Jones being the pick for a little bit (until ATL did that trade laffo). I'm just hoping he doesn't turn into a slow unathletic guy that doesn't do much.

Ole Miss Texan
04-29-2011, 12:07 PM
Sounds like everything I was saying when we drafted Barwin, Mitchell, & Sheppard.

I don't think those guys are anywhere near as safe or talented as Watt. With that said, I love Barwin as an OLB for us and think he's going to excel. I like Mitchell as our Nose and think he'll be able to rotate and stay fresh with Cody and even Watt.

BigBull17
04-29-2011, 12:08 PM
I don't think those guys are anywhere near as safe or talented as Watt. With that said, I love Barwin as an OLB for us and think he's going to excel. I like Mitchell as our Nose and think he'll be able to rotate and stay fresh with Cody and even Watt.

I think Watt will play alot at nose. He seems comfortable inside.

The1ApplePie
04-29-2011, 12:11 PM
With his connection to Wade, I wouldn't doubt that Marcus Spears signs with the Texans either when able.

A DE rotation of MW,AS, Watt, and Spears has some nasty potential.

Now all they need is an edge rusher from the OLB (Houston or Bowers)

TimeKiller
04-29-2011, 12:12 PM
Picked at 11-

Both impact D players (Miller, Peterson) gone, Aldon Smith well off the board, longshot WR picks off the board....

I pretty much had it down to Amukumara who I didn't feel would be the pick due to having just selected a DB last year. Fairley who I didn't feel would be the pick due to the 3/4 alignment (he's a 4/3 DT and is frankly in the best position ever next to Suh). So it was really down to either Cam Jordan, JJ Watt or trade down. Guess no fish were biting after all the trade ups for QB's right before 11 and Cam Jordan was apparently ranked quite a bit lower than JJ Watt. I call this "Best Pick Available" and it quite literally is. Anyone else would've been a reach, even if JJ is probably a small reach at 11.

Whatever. Time to love him. Mario Williams sized guy with less natural athletic talent but more work hard attitude. Two 6'5'' 290 pound beasts on the front trying to dive through OL? Yeah, I think this is gonna work and work pretty friggin well.

They still need to address outside (probably 2nd pick, look for Reed or Houston) linebacker and inside as well. Hopefully they'll take a big fat fatty like the Hampton DT or rmartin's guy from Colorado to fill out the front. Of course we'll get our late round CBs and S too. WR? I bet UDFA's are offensive guys.

badboy
04-29-2011, 12:58 PM
When you watch highlight tapes you have to be careful what you see. I just watched the first 10 plays on Watt's youtube highlight and on about 6 plays the guy wasn't touched or near blocked. Now he played awesome against my Frogs and I know overall he is a big, strong kid. But you can't just see a guy running into the backfield and expect the same thing. As I've said multiple times now, when you get him in the 3-4 at DE you might see him get caught up in traffic. One knock is him getting off blocks. So he is a great kid with a great work ethic and motor but I want to see him with big guys all around where he is getting a body on him. You don't see alot of that in college highlight films. I like the pick but having questions doesn't make it a negative.What you say about highlights, Frog but you can say that about all players. If you watched Watt's games you would have your concerns answered. Watt will be a long term player like Ray Childress. Like Ray, he will hold the line and often take on two blockers. He will give us a great 3 man rotation and could lead to a poss trade.

cuppacoffee
04-29-2011, 01:38 PM
You got everything you wanted. People hear the word "safe pick" and automatically assume he's safe in the sense he won't wow but he won't disappoint. Watt, to me, was one of the safest picks in the draft - much like Patrick Willis in 2007. At the very least you will get a guy that gives 110% on every single play of the season and will make an impact that will improve your team. At the most, you will get that guy and he gets voted to the pro-bowl. This dude is going to make our team so much better.


I remember you being on the Willis bandwagon.

I hope you are as right about Watts as you were back then.

:coffee:

CloakNNNdagger
04-29-2011, 01:40 PM
Found this buried piece...........No matter what you think of the appropriateness of the Texans' pick itself, you've got to love this kid ........his sheer unrelenting effort and his intense goal-oriented focus.

Monday, December 20, 2010
Delivering Pizza for the Dream (http://watchingfromthecouch.blogspot.com/2010/12/delivering-pizza-for-dream-wisconsins.html)Wisconsin's J.J. Watt
By Jerry Barca

J.J. Watt walked away from a football scholarship and delivered pizza to reach his dream.

Watt, an All-American junior defensive end for the University of Wisconsin, is ready to lead the fourth-ranked Badgers into a Rose Bowl tilt with undefeated and third-ranked Texas Christian University on Jan. 1.

“I don’t know if anyone could’ve predicted that this is how it could go,” Watt said. “It’s been an unbelievable ride. I feel like I should ask myself, ‘When am I going to wake up?’”

Powered by the personal mantra “Dream Big, Work Hard,” Watt leads the Badgers’ defense on the field. Off the field, he leads the team in community service hours. For him, football weekend rituals include Friday trips to visit patients at the American Family Children’s Hospital.

With a blond buzz cut and sometimes bloodied bridge of his nose, the 6-6, 292-pounder would fit nicely next to 1960s Packers’ greats Forrest Gregg and Jerry Kramer in one of those old black and white photos.

“What you see is what you get,” said Judy Keefe, who taught Watt in elementary school and trades emails with him every few weeks.

In fourth grade, Watt told his teacher, “You know Miss Keefe, I’m going to be a Badger.”

But it when it came time for college, Wisconsin wasn’t interested. He did get a full scholarship to attend Central Michigan University. As a freshman, he started at tight end for a Chippewas team that won its conference and went to the 2007 Motor City Bowl.

After the bowl game, Watt went home to Pewaukee, Wis. He never went back to Central Michigan. He didn’t think playing tight end in a spread offense would propel him to the NFL. “You go to college to set yourself up for a job and I needed to set myself up for an NFL job,” he said.

He wanted to play for the Badgers. When he called, Wisconsin still wasn’t interested. He was told he could walk-on, no scholarship.

“It was almost all or nothing,” Watt said.

Before enrolling at Wisconsin that summer, Watt took classes at a local college and worked as a Pizza Hut deliveryman.

“You’re J.J. Watt,” said a stunned 12-year-old when the pride of Pewaukee showed up at the door holding dinner. “What are you doing delivering our pizza? Mom, what’s J.J. Watt doing delivering our pizza?”

“I dreaded that a moment like that would happen. All I could do is say ‘I have your pizza,’” Watt said.

The moment stayed with Watt as he prepared to try out at Wisconsin, working out for two-and-a-half hours a day, five days a week. “It powered my work ethic,” he said.

When he first arrived on campus in Madison, Watt played on the scout team, mimicking Wisconsin opponents each day in practice. He did it so well he earned a scholarship at the end of the semester.

This season, Watt garnered second-team All-American honors from numerous media outlets including the Associated Press and Sports Illustrated.

Earlier this month, he won the Lott Trophy, an honor given to college football’s defensive impact player of the year. It is an award that recognizes athletic performance and personal character equally.

“I could spend two hours a day playing video games like most college kids or I could spend that time impacting someone’s life,” Watt said.

Watt also has an impact online where he has cultivated a Twitter following of more than 5,000 tweeters, including University of Wisconsin Chancellor Biddy Martin. The pair tweet back and forth and Martin, like most of Watt’s followers, has taken on his “Dream Big, Work Hard” motto.

The university even used DBWH in a tweet to wish students good luck on their final exams this semester. It has become a greeting on campus. Watt will be walking on the street and instead of saying hi, someone will open with “Dream big,” and Watt will finish it with “Work hard.”

“It’s everything I stand for and everything I believe will create a successful person,” Watt said of the phrase he is making a trend.

His mom, a vice president of a building inspection company, and his dad, a fire lieutenant with the Waukesha department, are always acknowledged by Watt for his success. They gave us a good home, a good life and the awareness that not everyone else was as fortunate, Watt said.

While Watt was growing up kitchen table staples were four meals a day and newspaper ads with volunteer opportunities. Watt, his parents and his two younger brothers volunteered as a family shoveling snow and raking leaves.

“These are people with disabilities or who couldn’t physically do it. Somebody had to do it and we’re well off,” he said. “You can’t live your whole life getting all the good things, you have to give back as well.”

Connie Watt, J.J.’s mother, said it is amazing to sit back and witness her son’s achievements.

“We were not the cool parents,” his mother said. “We were always strict. But we never worried about our kids making bad choices.”

She remembers J.J. going out on a Saturday night in high school and then coming home 20 minutes later because he said his friends “were making bad choices” and he didn’t want to be around them.

Now, her son tells her about times when he is watching game film at Camp Randall Stadium. If he sees a young Badgers fan on the field, he makes sure to go say “hello.”

“He’ll tell me, ‘Mom that was me,’” Connie Watt said. “He’s still close enough to the little boy that he was, and he pays it forward.”

Last week, the final paperwork was filed to establish the Justin J. Watt Foundation, which will provide funding for after school athletic programs in Wisconsin.

“I learned so much from athletics – determination, perseverance, willpower. I want to make sure other kids have the same opportunity,” J.J. Watt said.

Wisconsin school kids become star struck when Watt enters their classroom. Last month, he made his once-a-semester visit to Miss Keefe’s class in Pewaukee.

Sitting in the front of the class in a ski jacket and sweater, Watt talked to the children about setting goals, having a strong work ethic. He stressed being kind to everyone.

Watt told them about his routine of getting up at 6 a.m. and not returning home until 11 p.m. after classes, practice and studying. He told them about the importance of making good choices and that sometimes a good choice might not be popular with their friends, but being popular didn’t matter.

After he left Keefe’s class the children got into writing groups. One girl was “sassing” a boy about his writing, Keefe said.

Then another student spoke up. “Hey guys, don’t you remember what J.J. just told us about being nice to each other?” The sassing stopped.

Keefe, a 36-year teaching veteran, has been in front of plenty of students, but none has been quite like the fourth grader who kept his word to be a Badger.

“I wish all of them would be J.J. Watt,” she said.

HoustonFrog
04-29-2011, 01:50 PM
What you say about highlights, Frog but you can say that about all players. If you watched Watt's games you would have your concerns answered. Watt will be a long term player like Ray Childress. Like Ray, he will hold the line and often take on two blockers. He will give us a great 3 man rotation and could lead to a poss trade.

Exactly, and part of my point.(bolded). I'm not going to go as far as you are about how well he does. Part of my concerns came from watching the Frog game. He played really well but I did see the line get after him at times where Dalton was getting time to throw. Usually with draft guys I want to check them out against pro comp and see if my worries were bunk. Then I'll start to judge. They definitely got a guy who will work.

Norg
04-29-2011, 02:02 PM
fairley had Bust written all over him if he came to houston hes to small to be a NT and would not be a good DE since he prob never played DE

IM glad we didnt take him

now we had Quinn and Jones still on the board

Jones im sorry but hes not has good a the 5 tech then Watts QUinn would of be the alternative but he missed a year of football and had medical issues in the past

JJ watts was one of the best players on the board we could have take

Has far has prince hes overated and i thought i didnt want to go younger in our Secondary didnt we already pick Jackson up last year

Norg
04-29-2011, 02:03 PM
Good pick all around, though I think Fairley and Quinn will end up being better.

The Texans still have no pass rushers though, but they do have a shot at a guy like Bowers in the 2nd.

Drafting a guy to be a backup doesn't make much since with no OLBs, NT, or safeties, but he was BPA.

He will not be a backup A smith has one more year here MAx depending on how he plays

Señor Stan
04-29-2011, 03:34 PM
Looks like JJ will be #99 with the Texans

Nick Scurfield:
Just got word that it will be 99

Link to HoustonTexans.com chat
(http://prod.www.texans.clubs.nfl.com/news/live-chat/article-3/Texans-live-chat-at-noon-CT/7984cdff-0af5-447f-872a-82a4535bad6e)

rmartin65
04-29-2011, 03:34 PM
Looks like JJ will be #99 with the Texans

Sweet, anyone want to do some photoshop work?

GP
04-29-2011, 04:17 PM
You guys need to read that story CND posted a few posts back.

This guy is a gamer.

No funny business in that guy. No shenanigans.

He lives pissed off, like if he doesn't do it then nobody else will do it...so he rolls up his sleeves and does it.

I'm a fan.