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HoustonFrog
04-25-2011, 06:08 PM
Though you can't trade Okoye so his report makes no sense

evansilva Evan Silva
#Texans expected to try to trade up for Von Miller or Patrick Peterson. http://bit.ly/e12Jwl

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6500/von-miller

The Houston Chronicle's John McClain expects the Texans to try to trade up for Von Miller or Patrick Peterson.The Texans would have to get to No. 2 for Miller, and McClain suggests offering their first-, third-, and fourth-round picks plus Amobi Okoye. We suspect it still wouldn't be enough to move from No. 11 to 2. Peterson may be a more reasonable target, particularly if he's on the board at No. 5 or 6. If the Texans stay put, McClain has them taking Aldon Smith of Missouri. Apr 25, 4:56 PM

evansilva Evan Silva
Per the trade value chart, #Texans would have to offer their entire draft plus Amobi Okoye to get from 11 to 2 for Von Miller.

evansilva Evan Silva
@ Ha, they can't. Trade for Von Miller won't happen. Peterson not out of question. RT @will12203 but how can the Texans trade a player?

JimBaker488
04-25-2011, 06:20 PM
I'd rather have Peterson than Miller because he's scheme-diverse while Miller is a 3-4 guy only and he's also going to struggle vs the run.

Rey
04-25-2011, 06:24 PM
Is there some kind of loophole or special provision that would allow teams to trade players? I don't know everything about the NFL rules and what's what in regards to lockout dealings...Maybe there is some small print somewhere that would allow a player to be traded...McClain isn't the first one I've seen say that...

Rey
04-25-2011, 06:25 PM
Trading up is definitely the way to go IMO...I'd take Peterson or Miller...I think both make an instant impact on our defense...

PapaL
04-25-2011, 06:30 PM
With the judges ruling today; would player movement be possible? The lockout is lifted after all...in theory.

Tx Longhorn
04-25-2011, 07:04 PM
While I'm not at all against moving up for Peterson at the price of swapping firsts and surrendering a first, third and fourth for him. However, it also essentially screams WIN NOW, which more or less is the position the Texans are in.

Dutchrudder
04-25-2011, 11:24 PM
I see the Texans windbag is still blowing strong...

Smokescreen anyone?

Texan4Ever
04-25-2011, 11:58 PM
I would much rather have Peterson than Miller because Miller has a bigger bust potential. Peterson contributes in a lot of ways and is badly needed as a CB or FS whereas, we can get a rush OLB later on in the draft or sign an UDFA.

Marcus
04-26-2011, 12:16 AM
John McClain is so full of shit. :dontknowa

It's amazing how they talk about trading up every year, and they always vastly underestimate what it would cost to do it.

F'kin sportswriters.

Playoffs
04-26-2011, 12:30 AM
Gotta be Wade, and he may be one of those "fall in love" guys. I hope Mr Smith nixes it.

It appears they're active behind the scenes this year, which may be a new way to ferret out likely picks & smokescreen our own. Jerrah does that.

DocBar
04-26-2011, 01:52 AM
Just do it. I'm all for it. :fans:

Thorn
04-26-2011, 04:42 AM
The middle rounds of the draft is where you build the core of your team. Trading away those picks make no sense to me. One player is not going to solve this teams problems, but several can start to make a difference.

DocBar
04-26-2011, 05:52 AM
The middle rounds of the draft is where you build the core of your team. Trading away those picks make no sense to me. One player is not going to solve this teams problems, but several can start to make a difference.The middle rounds is where we've stunk it up also.
One freak of nature talent can help a team as or more than 2 or 3 ordinary players that are back ups or special teamers.:kitten:

HoustonFrog
04-26-2011, 08:37 AM
I'm all for moving up for impact players but I don't think throwing out a whole dradt for rookies is a good idea. If you are going to throw 2 #1s for a proven vet like Aso I can see it. If you are going to have a draft that lists one rookie and say.."Awesome" that is playing a little too fast and loose. I think Peterson is more valuable considering his size allows him the move to safety and you can also get a FA CB. But overall I wouldn't give up too much. I think if they move up it is a few spots for one of the pass rushers they think may be going too early.

kiwitexansfan
04-26-2011, 08:43 AM
Surely you wouldn't trade up for Peterson with the mind set he could move to safety?

You don't give up the farm for a safety.

Second Honeymoon
04-26-2011, 08:50 AM
So because we won our last game, we got burdened with Smithiak for another and we have to give up our whole draft to draft someone we could have had at our natural position.

As long as they don't trade next years picks, I guess I am fine with it. I just don't want them trading 2012 picks. Those picks are for the next regime.

HuttoKarl
04-26-2011, 08:57 AM
If they move up, they need to try for Dareus. Plug that middle for Mario and our backers.

IDEXAN
04-26-2011, 08:57 AM
So because we won our last game, we got burdened with Smithiak for another and we have to give up our whole draft to draft someone we could have had at our natural position.


Right. It's really counter productive for a team to pull out all of the stops to win their last game when the difference between 5 and 6 wins in the following years draft can be the difference between getting a really valuable starter vs getting an average talent. For example it could be the difference between getting a Von Miller or a Patrick Peterson vs a Aldon Smith or a Prince.

steelbtexan
04-26-2011, 08:59 AM
The middle rounds of the draft is where you build the core of your team. Trading away those picks make no sense to me. One player is not going to solve this teams problems, but several can start to make a difference.

With Rick and Garys draft record. Give me Peterson/Miller over 1st rd pick (Jackson) 3rd rd pick (Caldwell/Molden) 4th rd pick (Graham.)

Take the sure thing every time and twice on Sunday. Even if you have to throw in a 2012 3rd.

Thorn I agree with your philosophy. But with Rick and Gary mid round wasting picks. I would do the trade up thing.

kiwitexansfan
04-26-2011, 08:59 AM
If they move up, they need to try for Dareus. Plug that middle for Mario and our backers.

I'd rather this than Miller or PatPete.

However, I'm also against any trade up.

BigBull17
04-26-2011, 09:01 AM
The middle rounds is where we've stunk it up also.
One freak of nature talent can help a team as or more than 2 or 3 ordinary players that are back ups or special teamers.:kitten:

Doing this is addressing two positions if you get Peterson. Fs and cb. I'm ok with it if you get active in free agency

nero THE zero
04-26-2011, 09:16 AM
lol

It was only a week or 2 ago that he was on the radio dismissing the idea of the Texans trading up for Pat Peterson as a non-starter, almost to the point where it was insulting to the caller. "The Texans aren't trading up for Peterson. If they trade up it will be for Von Miller."

I would love for the Texans to trade up for Peterson for this alone, not to mention he'd be great for our team.

HoustonFrog
04-26-2011, 10:02 AM
Surely you wouldn't trade up for Peterson with the mind set he could move to safety?

You don't give up the farm for a safety.

Right. But I think that is what they are thinking and where he will end up playing. Some of the PFT guys on Twitter were discussing him with scouts and all of them said there aren't many guys playing CB at 211-217. He will add more weight in the NFL. So overall the guy is built to be a safety and will move there. I was stating that he makes more sense....not moving as high...than getting a guy who is a pass rush specialist but you aren't sure against the run.

Again, there are plenty of 3-4 hybrid type guys. If I'm them I stay put or move down. If you want CB so bad, trade a 4th to Dallas and move up and get Prince. Or take a bad seed type guy like Smith...won't happen.

kiwitexansfan
04-26-2011, 10:16 AM
I prefer Peterson to Miller and I think a GREAT safety is an invaluable thing.

It is just that every expert doesn't place value in the safety position.

beerlover
04-26-2011, 10:25 AM
I prefer Peterson to Miller and I think a GREAT safety is an invaluable thing.

It is just that every expert doesn't place value in the safety position.

I think Miller is cleaner, exhibits higher football IQ & work ethic. ideal fit for what Wade Phillips wants.

rmartin65
04-26-2011, 10:30 AM
I dont have a problem with trading up for Peterson. I actually like him better at FS.

Now Miller, I would prefer to pass on (unless he drops to 11). Just something about him, I dont think he is worth a trade up.

beerlover
04-26-2011, 10:38 AM
I dont have a problem with trading up for Peterson. I actually like him better at FS.

Now Miller, I would prefer to pass on (unless he drops to 11). Just something about him, I dont think he is worth a trade up.

I don't really trust Peterson either (football IQ). scored a 9 on wonderlic :vincepalm:

disaacks3
04-26-2011, 10:42 AM
Doing this is addressing two positions if you get Peterson. Fs and cb. I'm ok with it if you get active in free agency Lots of people overlook the fact that we'd move Quin to FS immediately if we got Peterson.

Right. But I think that is what they are thinking and where he will end up playing. Some of the PFT guys on Twitter were discussing him with scouts and all of them said there aren't many guys playing CB at 211-217. He will add more weight in the NFL. So overall the guy is built to be a safety and will move there. I was stating that he makes more sense....not moving as high...than getting a guy who is a pass rush specialist but you aren't sure against the run.

Again, there are plenty of 3-4 hybrid type guys. If I'm them I stay put or move down. If you want CB so bad, trade a 4th to Dallas and move up and get Prince. Or take a bad seed type guy like Smith...won't happen. It'd be a monumental waste of the second fastest man in the draft to turn him into a safety. (Especially w/ Quin ready to move)

I think Miller is cleaner, exhibits higher football IQ & work ethic. ideal fit for what Wade Phillips wants. I think they'd BOTH be fantastic, but the premium required to get Miller may just be too high.

HoustonFrog
04-26-2011, 10:45 AM
Lots of people overlook the fact that we'd move Quin to FS immediately if we got Peterson.

It'd be a monumental waste of the second fastest man in the draft to turn him into a safety. (Especially w/ Quin ready to move)

I think they'd BOTH be fantastic, but the premium required to get Miller may just be too high.

Maybe, but I almost guarantee that is where he will play in a year or two. The guy will be in the 220s by the time an NFL team works him into their kind of shape. There are NO CBs playing at the build. I wouldn't consider it a waste if he is like Ed Reed and some others. That is the catch though.

On a side note I heard the Bronco like Peterson as much as Dareus so you might have to sell the house to get either...and I'd prefer that doesn't happen.

kiwitexansfan
04-26-2011, 10:47 AM
Lots of people overlook the fact that we'd move Quin to FS immediately if we got Peterson.

Lots of people seem to assume that Quin to S is the answer. Do we know this?

disaacks3
04-26-2011, 10:52 AM
Lots of people seem to assume that Quin to S is the answer. Do we know this?

No, nor do we know that Peterson would be a decent Safety either. I'd rather let Peterson play his natural position though.

The only good news is that the Texans pass defense can't rank any worse than last year no matter what.

The bottom line is that the Texans covet two guys who have both been projected as top-3 picks, we're gonna have to give up a bunch to move up that far.

DocBar
04-26-2011, 10:55 AM
Miller is the only reason I would move up. I really see no reason for Smithiak to play it safe in this draft. One more bad season, they're likely gone. Go all in now and get the next sack monster.
Throw the pocket book at Asomougha and try to sign Darren Sharper to a 1 or 2 year deal. That will go a long ways towards fixing your secondary.
Then you can go for NT or CB(Brandon Harris PLEASE) in the 2nd.

El Tejano
04-26-2011, 10:57 AM
I don't doubt the ground work for a trade up is in place. I do believe the list of players we are trading up for is a smoke screen though.
We are hearing that the Patriots want Aldon Smith or Cameron Jordan. Why not send a smoke screen about wanting Smith or Jordan if Peterson or Amakumara are there when or before Dallas is selecting. This means you get a team to bite, trade up and select the DEs they want so that the CB you want falls to you.

HoustonFrog
04-26-2011, 10:59 AM
Miller is the only reason I would move up. I really see no reason for Smithiak to play it safe in this draft. One more bad season, they're likely gone. Go all in now and get the next sack monster.
Throw the pocket book at Asomougha and try to sign Darren Sharper to a 1 or 2 year deal. That will go a long ways towards fixing your secondary.
Then you can go for NT or CB(Brandon Harris PLEASE) in the 2nd.

I see this thinking completely but the question is will Bob have ths stones to let 2 guys with their jobs on the line throw picks to get one guy? He has to go along with all of it and the way he has spoken before he thinks they are close without just one guy. I think he would veto giving away a draft.

I don't doubt the ground work for a trade up is in place. I do believe the list of players we are trading up for is a smoke screen though.
We are hearing that the Patriots want Aldon Smith or Cameron Jordan. Why not send a smoke screen about wanting Smith or Jordan if Peterson or Amakumara are there when or before Dallas is selecting. This means you get a team to bite, trade up and select the DEs they want so that the CB you want falls to you.

I've read that Dallas has had many offers and would take many. So if the Texans want a Prince or someone a few spots up they could give up a 4th for it. Dallas would probably try and move more too. Overall though I find it hard to differentiate between some of the DE/OLB guys that will be available around then.

Mr teX
04-26-2011, 11:01 AM
Lots of people seem to assume that Quin to S is the answer. Do we know this?

I think he'll do well back there & i think it is the right move honestly for a few reasons. You have to figure that a CB will be taken inside of the 1st 2 rounds & anyone taken that high is expected to be a starter. Then when you factor in us taking Kareem last year & him obviously not going there & them likely keeping Allen I think his talents (loves to hit & is very physical) might be better served at FS b/c you can get all your talented guys on the field. If he stays at CB, that can't happen.

Playoffs
04-26-2011, 11:11 AM
If we move to 2 I think you have to take Darius.

Don't think Buffalo is dealing.


Anyone know the cost to move up for the 4 and the 5?

disaacks3
04-26-2011, 11:15 AM
I see this thinking completely but the question is will Bob have ths stones to let 2 guys with their jobs on the line throw picks to get one guy? He has to go along with all of it and the way he has spoken before he thinks they are close without just one guy. I think he would veto giving away a draft.

I agree, but what the hell was the point of retaining Kubiak if you're not going to let him make the really big moves?

HoustonFrog
04-26-2011, 11:23 AM
I agree, but what the hell was the point of retaining Kubiak if you're not going to let him make the really big moves?

You got me buddy. I haven't gotten why he has been retained the last TWO years so the way anything is done with this organization floors me. I am just getting in Bob's head...the guy who thinks owners are proud of his team and who thinks they are right there. He might think another group of guys gets it done vs getting one guy.

Hagar
04-26-2011, 12:18 PM
I just saw the same story on the NFL channel.

I prefer we keep our picks. I'm not big on moving up in the draft. Also, I watched almost all of LSUs games this year and Peterson isn't that good. He may be the best this year, but he won't be an elite CB.

Playoffs
04-26-2011, 01:35 PM
I see this thinking completely but the question is will Bob have ths stones to let 2 guys with their jobs on the line throw picks to get one guy?
What if the guy calling this "all defense" draft is the next coach? :wadepalm:

b0ng
04-26-2011, 01:48 PM
Trading up doesn't seem like it really fits the Texans MO. Maybe they change that perception this year but I just can't predict they are going to do something they've never done before. I mean a trade down seems more imminent than a trade up (since we've technically traded down 3 out of 4 years since Smith has been the GM).

Second Honeymoon
04-26-2011, 05:27 PM
Trading up doesn't seem like it really fits the Texans MO. Maybe they change that perception this year but I just can't predict they are going to do something they've never done before. I mean a trade down seems more imminent than a trade up (since we've technically traded down 3 out of 4 years since Smith has been the GM).

Totally agree. They will hold on to their pick and see who drops. If their guy is gone or isn't a value at #11, the tradedown seems more likely. Trading up in this defensive draft seems more panicky than urgency.

HoustonFrog
04-27-2011, 07:47 AM
Totally agree. They will hold on to their pick and see who drops. If their guy is gone or isn't a value at #11, the tradedown seems more likely. Trading up in this defensive draft seems more panicky than urgency.

As for this. I agree. Just read on Rotoworld that The Falcons want to make a huge jump into the Top 10 to grab one of the 2 WRs. That may push guys down. I honestly think that keeping the 8-12 picks is smart this draft because there are going to be guys there who can play and some teams may give up their draft for some Top 10 guys.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/203376/football-headlines?r=1

SI.com's Peter King reports the Falcons are attempting to trade into the top-10 for a shot at "explosive outside threats" A.J. Green and Julio Jones.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution suggested a month ago that GM Thomas Dimitroff would knock on the Browns' door at No. 6 if Green was still on the board. King considers the deal a longshot, however, presumably because there's too much ground to cover between the Falcons' No. 27 pick and the top-10. It's no surprise that a smart GM like Dimitroff would see a contending roster with several key players aging, and aggressively target a difference-maker as the missing ingredient.

By the way, nice move if it happens with Falcons and what I like about teams like this. They have a top WR in White and want more.