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CloakNNNdagger
04-24-2011, 11:51 AM
Kubiak has little room for error
With not a lot of on-field success to show for five years of selections, the coach must get it right this week and then get it done
By JOHN McCLAIN
Copyright 2011 Houston Chronicle
April 23, 2011, 11:44PM


With the NFL draft approaching, the Texans would do well to follow the blueprint of New Orleans and Green Bay the last two Super Bowl winners.

The Saints were 7-9 and 8-8 when coach Sean Payton turned over his defense to Gregg Williams. They used their first three picks on defensive players, posted a 13-3 record and defeated Indianapolis in the Super Bowl.

The Packers were coming off a 6-10 season when coach Mike McCarthy turned over his defense to Dom Capers. They switched to a 3-4 and used the two No. 1 picks on nose tackle B.J. Raji and outside linebacker Clay Matthews III. They finished 11-5 in 2009 and 10-6 last season en route to a Super Bowl win over Pittsburgh.

The Texans, who have the 11th pick in the first round, are coming off a 6-10 season. Coach Gary Kubiak has turned over his defense to Wade Phillips. They are expected to use their first two or three picks on defensive players in the draft, which will be held Thursday through Saturday.

Success is critical in this draft - Kubiak's sixth with the Texans and general manager Rick Smith's fifth - because owner Bob McNair isn't expected to tolerate a sixth consecutive season without a playoff appearance.

Yet New Orleans and Green Bay offer reason for hope. It wasn't that long ago when the Texans, Saints and Packers dwelled in the NFL cellar together.

In 2005, the Texans' last season under Capers, the Texans were a league-worst 2-14. New Orleans, uprooted because of Hurricane Katrina, was 3-13. The Packers were 4-12.

"The year Sean (Payton) won the Super Bowl, his team got physical," said Mike Lombardi, who works for the NFL Network and NFL.com. "No longer did they have to throw on third-and-2 to convert on third down. Sean made a decision that he had to be more physical, more dominant to take over games.

"Green Bay realized they needed to become more physical on defense and create more turnovers, so credit them for figuring that out.

"Houston's still trying to figure out who they are and have an identity as opposed to just having a great offense."

Today's Texans started taking shape after the disastrous 2005 season.

In 2006 - Kubiak's first draft and general manager Charley Casserly's last - the Texans had what is now considered the best draft in the league. They selected three players - defensive end Mario Williams, middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans and tight end Owen Daniels - who have made the Pro Bowl.

With the first two picks in the third round, the Texans got their starting offensive tackles - Charles Spencer and Eric Winston. Spencer won the starting job on the left side but suffered what turned out to be a career-ending injury.

Must get physical ... or bust

The Texans also got receiver David Anderson, who has been a significant contributor, in the seventh round.

"I think it was an outstanding draft - the nucleus of their team," Lombardi said. "They got impact players.

"Mario Williams is a really good player, and he impacts their team at a position that's hard to find. DeMeco Ryans is a tackling machine."

Lombardi was the general manager at Cleveland and Oakland and worked in the personnel departments at San Francisco, Philadelphia and Denver. He has been critical of the Texans because he believes they lack toughness, one reason they lost so many close games last season.

"They've got to get more physical on their offensive and defensive lines and be able to wear people down," Lombardi said. "To be a playoff team, you have to be able to win against any style."

Gil Brandt, who was the Dallas Cowboys' personnel director for 30 years, works for NFL.com and SiriusXM radio. He visits the Texans during every training camp.

"I get a false impression of their team," Brandt said. "I always think they're better than they are. The reason I think that way is because everything is done so well, so first-class. I think they draft well, and I think they practice well."

Numbers tell a different tale

Brandt produces some numbers to back his point about drafting.

In the last five drafts, 1,269 players have been selected, and 328 have become starters. That's 26 percent. Thirty-four percent of the Texans' 38 picks have become starters.

The Texans have 18 reserves (from the 53-man roster), or 47 percent of their draft picks. The league average is 32 percent.

Leaguewide, 33 percent are out of football. Only 21 percent of the Texans' picks are out of football.

"If you go by these numbers, they've done well drafting," Brandt said. "They're above average in every category."

On the coaching staff, however, a lack of continuity has contributed to the team's losing ways.
Rick Dennison is the fourth offensive coordinator since 2006, but the offense didn't miss a beat because it is Kubiak's system.

The defense, tied for 13th in Frank Bush's first season as coordinator in 2009, plunged to 30th last season, including last against the pass. Bush was replaced by Phillips.

Bill Kollar, Kubiak's third defensive line coach, returns. Vance Joseph is his third secondary coach, and Reggie Herring is his second linebackers coach.

As for the roster, Pro Bowl receiver Andre Johnson is the only holdover from the previous regime.

Since Smith joined Kubiak in June 2006, the Texans have drafted seven starters, but only two - left tackle Duane Brown and right guard Antoine Caldwell - started on offense last season.

Smith signed undrafted free agent Arian Foster, who led the NFL in rushing. Smith also traded for quarterback Matt Schaub and center Chris Myers.

Hiring of Phillips critical

Starters drafted by Smith on defense were defensive tackle Amobi Okoye, outside linebacker Brian Cushing, outside linebacker Zac Diles and cornerbacks Glover Quin and Kareem Jackson.

"They're very explosive on offense," Lombardi said. "They score a lot of points. It's going to be interesting to see how Wade puts that defense together. There's not a lot of talent on that defense, so he's got to get an impact player in the first round."

Lombardi and Brandt are like most NFL people who believe hiring Phillips will be the best move the Texans make in the offseason.

"All you have to do is look at every place Wade's been as a coordinator, and the team's improved," Brandt said. "Wade's a very, very good defensive coordinator. It's a very positive move they made."

Seven of the Texans' last eight No. 1 picks were defensive players, and yet they were one of the three worst defensive teams and the worst against the pass.

The Texans again are expected to use their first-round pick on a defensive player. They need an outside linebacker who can rush the passer or a cornerback who can play right away opposite Jackson.

Wanted: disruptive pass rusher

Whomever is selected No. 1 is expected to start. Smith's four first-round picks - Okoye, Brown, Cushing and Jackson - have started immediately.

"When you've drafted that many (defensive) players, and you've had that much change on your staff, you're dependent on who you hire and not the program you've established," Lombardi said.

If the Texans don't trade up to get Texas A&M outside linebacker Von Miller or LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson, they could take Missouri outside linebacker Aldon Smith over Nebraska corner Prince Amukamara.

"Mario is a really good player, but he's not a disruptive pass rusher," Lombardi said. "They need that pressure player who can force the ball out early so he doesn't have to blitz. If Wade's forced to have to generate pressure by attacking and blitzing, that'll expose the weaknesses of the secondary.

"He's got to find a guy to come off the edge. Whether he can win defensively is going to come down to that. Unless they get that, it's going to be very difficult."

McNair obviously thought the Texans' problem last season was a defense that blew five games. That's why Bush was fired and Phillips was hired.

Now Phillips is under pressure to do for the Texans what Williams and Capers did for the Saints and Packers.

What Brandt's "numbers" seem to tell us is what most of us know...........the Texans have been terrible DEVELOPING players to their full potential..................and it has not been mostly "incontinuity of the coaching staff." It's been some overall inappropriate and/or poor coaching staff choices in just a sprinkling of good.

Lucky
04-24-2011, 12:43 PM
This deserves its own thread.

I find it interesting that Captain Obvious puts this draft on Kubiak's head. I agree with McClain that Kubiak is the lead man in the organization, and the decisions made are on him. But, I think this is ultimately Wade Phillips draft (at least for the initial 3 or 4 rounds). And it should be. Kubiak and Smith have proven to be clueless in regards to NFL defenses. Wade has made a career of building NFL defenses. If there is any hope for this season, it's that Smithiak stays the hell out of Phillips' way until he's done.

If the Texans don't trade up to get Texas A&M outside linebacker Von Miller or LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson, they could take Missouri outside linebacker Aldon Smith over Nebraska corner Prince Amukamara.

"Mario is a really good player, but he's not a disruptive pass rusher," Lombardi said. "They need that pressure player who can force the ball out early so he doesn't have to blitz. If Wade's forced to have to generate pressure by attacking and blitzing, that'll expose the weaknesses of the secondary.

"He's got to find a guy to come off the edge. Whether he can win defensively is going to come down to that. Unless they get that, it's going to be very difficult."
I agree and disagree with Lombardi. Yes, the Texans need an edge rusher. Maybe two, if Barwin isn't back at full speed. But I disagree that attacking and blitzing makes the secondary more vulnerable. Pressure forces the ball out of the QBs hands more quickly. The quicker the ball comes out, the less time the porous secondary needs to cover their man.

I think that was a flaw in Frank Bush's play calling. He backed off pressure to give help to the secondary. It didn't work. Of course, the other problem was that Bush's blitz designs were easily picked up but the opposition. Phillips' schemes should solve that problem as well.

I'm trying to stay positive regarding the Texans defense. Switching to the 3-4 has created additional personnel issues. Or has it? The Texans have needed an edge rusher for years. They've needed a run stuffing DT since Seth Payne's injury. And the secondary needed upgrades regardless of the scheme. As long as Smithiak lets Wade make the calls on draft day(s), these holes have a chance to be at least partially filled through this draft.

gary
04-24-2011, 12:56 PM
This just in the Texans need a good pass rusher.

DocBar
04-24-2011, 01:04 PM
This deserves its own thread.

I find it interesting that Captain Obvious puts this draft on Kubiak's head. I agree with McClain that Kubiak is the lead man in the organization, and the decisions made are on him. But, I think this is ultimately Wade Phillips draft (at least for the initial 3 or 4 rounds). And it should be. Kubiak and Smith have proven to be clueless in regards to NFL defenses. Wade has made a career of building NFL defenses. If there is any hope for this season, it's that Smithiak stays the hell out of Phillips' way until he's done.

I agree and disagree with Lombardi. Yes, the Texans need an edge rusher. Maybe two, if Barwin isn't back at full speed. But I disagree that attacking and blitzing makes the secondary more vulnerable. Pressure forces the ball out of the QBs hands more quickly. The quicker the ball comes out, the less time the porous secondary needs to cover their man.

I think that was a flaw in Frank Bush's play calling. He backed off pressure to give help to the secondary. It didn't work. Of course, the other problem was that Bush's blitz designs were easily picked up but the opposition. Phillips' schemes should solve that problem as well.

I'm trying to stay positive regarding the Texans defense. Switching to the 3-4 has created additional personnel issues. Or has it? The Texans have needed an edge rusher for years. They've needed a run stuffing DT since Seth Payne's injury. And the secondary needed upgrades regardless of the scheme. As long as Smithiak lets Wade make the calls on draft day(s), these holes have a chance to be at least partially filled through this draft.
It's always helpful if you don't have to blitz to create pressure. That's just McCain being Captain Obvious, as you said. I agree 100% on letting Wade have his way during the draft. Just shut up and call the name Wade says to call.
It's kind of ironic that a guy who probably wants to be a HC again has to make the right calls so the current HC can keep his job.Food for thought. :spin:

wolf123
04-24-2011, 01:18 PM
It's always helpful if you don't have to blitz to create pressure. That's just McCain being Captain Obvious, as you said. I agree 100% on letting Wade have his way during the draft. Just shut up and call the name Wade says to call.
It's kind of ironic that a guy who probably wants to be a HC again has to make the right calls so the current HC can keep his job.Food for thought. :spin:

1st couple of picks will be all wade, then smith will start taking over.

CloakNNNdagger
04-24-2011, 01:27 PM
If Wade condescends to McNair base on his statements that we already have the main parts we can use, this will preclude Wade from trying to go after certain types (eg., big NT or at least Hercules strong smaller NT) and calibers of players. My greatest fear.

Norg
04-24-2011, 01:31 PM
so its super bowl or bust yikes

beerlover
04-24-2011, 01:32 PM
what happened in Dallas? did Jones make the calls & reduced Wade to coaching up existing defensive players on roster to fit his scheme?

ATXtexanfan
04-24-2011, 01:37 PM
too many holes for one draft to fill, free agency will make or break or break this team. no way you can draft to fill so many holes on defense

DocBar
04-24-2011, 02:04 PM
what happened in Dallas? did Jones make the calls & reduced Wade to coaching up existing defensive players on roster to fit his scheme?I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that Jones made ALL the calls on draft day and 1/3 of the calls on gameday. That man has an ego that's out of this world.

beerlover
04-24-2011, 02:21 PM
I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that Jones made ALL the calls on draft day and 1/3 of the calls on gameday. That man has an ego that's out of this world.

Jones is quite the opposite of McNair, so Wade should have more authority to be decision maker in Houston, foreboding good things defensively in this years draft for Texans & :fans:

ArlingtonTexan
04-24-2011, 02:24 PM
what happened in Dallas? did Jones make the calls & reduced Wade to coaching up existing defensive players on roster to fit his scheme?

Jerry has clear final say in the draft. You will see his thumbprint really early in the draft normally because they often go for the flash, but have little in the way of an overall year to year philosophy. One of the killers for Wade was in 2009, the Cowboys thought that they were good and so Jerry traded down early and often, and picking guys who were either special teamers (Beuhler) or back-ups (McGee). They got no significant on the field help from that draft.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=1200&type=team

3 69 Jason Williams LB Western Illinois
3 75 Robert Brewster T Ball State
4 101 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M
4 110 Victor Butler DE Oregon State
4 120 Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech
5 143 DeAngelo Smith DB Cincinnati
5 166 Mike Hamlin DB Clemson
5 172 David Buehler K USC
6 197 Stephen Hodge LB Texas Christian
6 208 John Phillips TE Virginia
7 227 Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati
7 229 Manuel Johnson WR Oklahoma


http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/team_roster.cfm

DocBar
04-24-2011, 02:28 PM
Jones is quite the opposite of McNair, so Wade should have more authority to be decision maker in Houston, foreboding good things defensively in this years draft for Texans & :fans:Amen, brother.

2slik4u
04-24-2011, 05:58 PM
1st couple of picks will be all wade, then smith will start taking over.

I actually really hope this is how it goes down.

Double Barrel
04-25-2011, 01:57 PM
...owner Bob McNair isn't expected to tolerate a sixth consecutive season without a playoff appearance.

Whatever. He wasn't expected to tolerate a fifth consecutive season without a playoff appearance, either. At this point, I expect nothing from McNair other than a great gameday experience.

In Wade we trust...or bust.

DocBar
04-25-2011, 02:19 PM
Whatever. He wasn't expected to tolerate a fifth consecutive season without a playoff appearance, either. At this point, I expect nothing from McNair other than a great gameday experience.

In Wade we trust...or bust.Good, bad or ugly, ya gotta piss with the **** ya got. Wade IS that ****.

TexanSam
04-25-2011, 02:42 PM
Jerry has clear final say in the draft. You will see his thumbprint really early in the draft normally because they often go for the flash, but have little in the way of an overall year to year philosophy. One of the killers for Wade was in 2009, the Cowboys thought that they were good and so Jerry traded down early and often, and picking guys who were either special teamers (Beuhler) or back-ups (McGee). They got no significant on the field help from that draft.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=1200&type=team

3 69 Jason Williams LB Western Illinois
3 75 Robert Brewster T Ball State
4 101 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M
4 110 Victor Butler DE Oregon State
4 120 Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech
5 143 DeAngelo Smith DB Cincinnati
5 166 Mike Hamlin DB Clemson
5 172 David Buehler K USC
6 197 Stephen Hodge LB Texas Christian
6 208 John Phillips TE Virginia
7 227 Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati
7 229 Manuel Johnson WR Oklahoma


http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/team_roster.cfm
:wadepalm:

Wow. That is a terrible draft. Taking McGee in the 4th is almost as bad as the Texans taking Ragone in the 3rd round

DocBar
04-25-2011, 02:50 PM
:wadepalm:

Wow. That is a terrible draft. Taking McGee in the 4th is almost as bad as the Texans taking Ragone in the 3rd roundAnd as bad or worse than taking Hollings....

Yankee_In_TX
04-25-2011, 02:52 PM
Does percentage of your players as starters count if some would not start on most of the other teams?

Double Barrel
04-25-2011, 02:57 PM
Good, bad or ugly, ya gotta piss with the **** ya got. Wade IS that ****.

yep. Call me crazy, but I'm actually cautiously optimistic about our chances with Wade as our DC.

DocBar
04-25-2011, 02:59 PM
yep. Call me crazy, but I'm actually cautiously optimistic about our chances with Wade as our DC.

I'm very optimistic about our chances. Wade is laid back, but his D's seem to act out his passive/aggressive tendancies. I just find it funny that "his" draft will decide Smithiaks fate and Wade could come out on top.

TimeKiller
04-25-2011, 03:05 PM
Little room for error? Or the most room ever of any coach ever of all time and EVER?!?!?!?

If Kubiak ever does anything to actually get fired, it'll probably be non-football related. To think there is a level worse than what we've seen thus far that will actually get Stupa-Bob off his ass and hire a real coach is frightening. We're really gonna have to wait until the team re-implodes before any wholesale change occurs....and even then, we probably won't have Bill Cowher waiting at the door...

BigBull17
04-25-2011, 03:09 PM
Does percentage of your players as starters count if some would not start on most of the other teams?

Yeah, Rick Smith holds on to his guys because he is obviously smarter than everyone else. I think we fall in love with our picks.

DocBar
04-25-2011, 03:11 PM
Little room for error? Or the most room ever of any coach ever of all time and EVER?!?!?!?

If Kubiak ever does anything to actually get fired, it'll probably be non-football related. To think there is a level worse than what we've seen thus far that will actually get Stupa-Bob off his ass and hire a real coach is frightening. We're really gonna have to wait until the team re-implodes before any wholesale change occurs....and even then, we probably won't have Bill Cowher waiting at the door... My opinion is that Kubes has free reign over the team, because it's his. They play like crap this season, he's gone. McNair does seem to give too much time for results, but I don;t blame him. Disuption at the coaching/management level is the worst disruption a team can have.

Texecutioner
04-25-2011, 03:17 PM
My opinion is that Kubes has free reign over the team, because it's his. They play like crap this season, he's gone.

That was the sentiment two years ago and then we went into last off season with the same sentiment, and he's still here. Nothing to suggest that it's playoffs or bust this year. If Mcnair is selling you guys tickets to every game than he has no reason to get rid of Kubiak in his mind. He cares about money more than anything.

McNair does seem to give too much time for results, but I don;t blame him. Disuption at the coaching/management level is the worst disruption a team can have.

And since when has that worked out for this team??? It's been proven in a ton of recent cases that making a coaching change is the best disruption that can happen to a team. Disruption can be very positive on an under achieving team that lacks discipline.

DocBar
04-25-2011, 03:36 PM
That was the sentiment two years ago and then we went into last off season with the same sentiment, and he's still here. Nothing to suggest that it's playoffs or bust this year. If Mcnair is selling you guys tickets to every game than he has no reason to get rid of Kubiak in his mind. He cares about money more than anything.
There's a lot of truth to this. The man needs to recoup the $1,000,000,000.00
he spent to bring a franchise to Houston. I don't begrudge him one bit on that. I don't think that keeping Kubiak necessarily assures him of helping him in that, so it doesn't seem logical that he did it for money. McNair didn;t achieve the ability to spend $1,000,000,000.00 on a franchise and stadium by being an *****. He's no football genius, but his business acumen should speak for itself.


And since when has that worked out for this team??? It's been proven in a ton of recent cases that making a coaching change is the best disruption that can happen to a team. Disruption can be very positive on an under achieving team that lacks discipline. There are far more examples of coaching changes resulting in perpetual losing seasons than there are for multiple coaching changes in a few years resulting in championships. Just ask Pittsburgh.

Texecutioner
04-25-2011, 03:43 PM
There are far more examples of coaching changes resulting in perpetual losing seasons than there are for multiple coaching changes in a few years resulting in championships. Just ask Pittsburgh.

How about asking the Texans, becuase that's exactly what happened with Capers and what's happened already with Kubiak. We went from having two 8-8 seasons to a 9-7 season as a gift from the Pats and then back to a 6-10 season. Last year's debacle was all the proof I needed to see that staying pat with a failing regime would end up in humiliating faschion.

I think it's been proven time and time again that when you stay stagnant, you end up wasting more years and your team ends up falling even further because the core players of your team end up wanting to leave and go elsewhere and they lose faith in the HC in most cases.


I don't see how Pittsburgh is any sort of example at all considering the fact that they had a HOF coach in Cowher that had success right out the gate and even when his teams declined they bounced back very quickly before fans and management ever felt they needed to panic. That example doesn't fit your theory one bit.

DocBar
04-25-2011, 04:14 PM
How about asking the Texans, becuase that's exactly what happened with Capers and what's happened already with Kubiak. We went from having two 8-8 seasons to a 9-7 season as a gift from the Pats and then back to a 6-10 season. Last year's debacle was all the proof I needed to see that staying pat with a failing regime would end up in humiliating faschion.

I think it's been proven time and time again that when you stay stagnant, you end up wasting more years and your team ends up falling even further because the core players of your team end up wanting to leave and go elsewhere and they lose faith in the HC in most cases.


I don't see how Pittsburgh is any sort of example at all considering the fact that they had a HOF coach in Cowher that had success right out the gate and even when his teams declined they bounced back very quickly before fans and management ever felt they needed to panic. That example doesn't fit your theory one bit.Pittsburgh is the OBVIOUS choice because they've had 4 HC in the last 40 yrs or so. That doesn't matter to you? Just change HC's willi nillie and hope for the best?

disaacks3
04-25-2011, 05:45 PM
Does percentage of your players as starters count if some would not start on most of the other teams? Yeah, I caught that as well...it seemed to be missing in their number-crunching of how great the Texans draft. We have consistently "reached for need", because we're simply not good enough to stand pat and take BPA.

DocBar
04-25-2011, 06:03 PM
Yeah, I caught that as well...it seemed to be missing in their number-crunching of how great the Texans draft. We have consistently "reached for need", because we're simply not good enough to stand pat and take BPA.True dat

HoustonFrog
04-26-2011, 11:50 AM
This made me howl

http://twitter.com/#!/NotGaryKubiak

NotGaryKubiak Not Gary Kubiak
Wait, we were allowed to do draft prep during the lockout? God dammit.

Oldie but goodie

NotGaryKubiak Not Gary Kubiak
I'm in my house and Bernard Pollard is on my yard and won't leave. Help. If only I were a tight end, I could make my escape...

Texecutioner
04-26-2011, 11:54 AM
Pittsburgh is the OBVIOUS choice because they've had 4 HC in the last 40 yrs or so. That doesn't matter to you? Just change HC's willi nillie and hope for the best?

I don't care what the hell happened in the 70's in a completely different era or anything that went on 40 years ago. That's a waste of a conversation.

You mentioned Pittsburgh as if that made a point and it didn't because Cowher has been one of the most successful coaches in history and kept his team as a consistent winner in the AFC. The Steelers organization never had any reason to fire him and would have been stupid in doing so which made that example an invalid one, because Cowher never went in there and struggled out the gate for 5 years like Smithiak has or like what Capers did when he was here.

HoustonFrog
04-26-2011, 12:21 PM
I don't care what the hell happened in the 70's in a completely different era or anything that went on 40 years ago. That's a waste of a conversation.

You mentioned Pittsburgh as if that made a point and it didn't because Cowher has been one of the most successful coaches in history and kept his team as a consistent winner in the AFC. The Steelers organization never had any reason to fire him and would have been stupid in doing so which made that example an invalid one, because Cowher never went in there and struggled out the gate for 5 years like Smithiak has or like what Capers did when he was here.

Right. Pittsburgh is a great model to follow if you have the right people implementing how to follow it. You just can't stay the course because that is what they did and do it with inferior people. So far no one Pittsburgh has had in the modern era was as inept as this crew.

gary
04-26-2011, 12:21 PM
Kubiak will get one more year to just flop like he has done for the last five seasons.

DocBar
04-26-2011, 12:22 PM
I don't care what the hell happened in the 70's in a completely different era or anything that went on 40 years ago. That's a waste of a conversation.
WOW!! Get up on the wrong side of the bed? I was using it as a reference as to why McNair is reticent to change coaches as often as we want him to. I don't care what you don't care about.:foottap:


You mentioned Pittsburgh as if that made a point and it didn't because Cowher has been one of the most successful coaches in history and kept his team as a consistent winner in the AFC. The Steelers organization never had any reason to fire him and would have been stupid in doing so which made that example an invalid one, because Cowher never went in there and struggled out the gate for 5 years like Smithiak has or like what Capers did when he was here.Cowher did have 3 years in a row in which the Steelers missed the playofs and were mediocre at best, and 5 seasons out of 9 where they didn't make the playoffs or had non-winning seasons. Pittsburgh management stood behind him. I really wish he were our HC right now, but he isn't.

Second Honeymoon
04-26-2011, 12:25 PM
There are far more examples of coaching changes resulting in perpetual losing seasons than there are for multiple coaching changes in a few years resulting in championships. Just ask Pittsburgh.

Ask Pittsburgh what? They changed coaches and won a Super Bowl within 2 years.

After last year, there was nowhere to go but up. The turnover/trauma of bringing in a Cowher or Gruden is the same turnover/trauma of retainign Smithiak and hiring Wade. So you didn't want to make a move because of the 'rebuilding' process but you end up having to go through pretty much the same process changing defensive schemes.

I love the Wade hire and I thank Bob for probably forcing Smithiak's hand and not bringing in one of his incompetent friends again. however, there is still the problem at HC and at GM. Wade extends their lifecycle but if you think Smithiak are capable of leading a team to the promised land, you are kidding yourself.

Charisma and leadership is something that Gary lacks and he isn't going to learn those traits. Those are inherent traits and he just doesn't have it. Great coach but a bad head coach and the facts support that.

Hopefully, the Texans will try and be relevant this year. We have a draft loaded with defensive players and we just may get a FA period after all. We have some good talent entering their prime. We can't waste this generation of players with much more of this garbage football. To be honest, if the Texans continue to mire themselves in suckitude, they need to trade AJ after next year unless they fire Smithiak and bring in some guys that can get teh job done.....and that doesnt mean promoting Wade to HC. Cowher Power.

Hope everyone had a great Easter weekend and I am looking forward to the draft. Not as much as in the past, but its still one of my favorite days of the year.

DocBar
04-26-2011, 12:38 PM
Ask Pittsburgh what? They changed coaches and won a Super Bowl within 2 years.

After last year, there was nowhere to go but up. The turnover/trauma of bringing in a Cowher or Gruden is the same turnover/trauma of retainign Smithiak and hiring Wade. So you didn't want to make a move because of the 'rebuilding' process but you end up having to go through pretty much the same process changing defensive schemes.

I love the Wade hire and I thank Bob for probably forcing Smithiak's hand and not bringing in one of his incompetent friends again. however, there is still the problem at HC and at GM. Wade extends their lifecycle but if you think Smithiak are capable of leading a team to the promised land, you are kidding yourself.

Charisma and leadership is something that Gary lacks and he isn't going to learn those traits. Those are inherent traits and he just doesn't have it. Great coach but a bad head coach and the facts support that.

Hopefully, the Texans will try and be relevant this year. We have a draft loaded with defensive players and we just may get a FA period after all. We have some good talent entering their prime. We can't waste this generation of players with much more of this garbage football. To be honest, if the Texans continue to mire themselves in suckitude, they need to trade AJ after next year unless they fire Smithiak and bring in some guys that can get teh job done.....and that doesnt mean promoting Wade to HC. Cowher Power.

Hope everyone had a great Easter weekend and I am looking forward to the draft. Not as much as in the past, but its still one of my favorite days of the year.That's not at all what I was trying to say. I was trying to explain my OPINION as to why McNair gives his HC's too much time to turn this franchise into a winner. Nothing more, nothing less.

HoustonFrog
04-26-2011, 12:45 PM
Cowher did have 3 years in a row in which the Steelers missed the playofs and were mediocre at best, and 5 seasons out of 9 where they didn't make the playoffs or had non-winning seasons. Pittsburgh management stood behind him. I really wish he were our HC right now, but he isn't.

I understand where your argument is coming from but it is kind of "fudging" why they stood behind him..look at the first 6 years and the gaps. ONLY 3 losing seasons in 15 years. 1 at .500. I'd call that mostly above mediocre. The 5 out of 9 is kind of mischaracterized here.

11-5
9-7
12-4
11-5
10-6
11-5
7-9
6-10
9-7
13-3
10-5
6-10
15-1
11-5
8-8

Second Honeymoon
04-26-2011, 12:48 PM
That's not at all what I was trying to say. I was trying to explain my OPINION as to why McNair gives his HC's too much time to turn this franchise into a winner. Nothing more, nothing less.

Totally cool. I understand that it is smart to be patient with a regime. I just think we have exhausted the appropriate amount of patience and it was time to make a move. Hiring wade gives us teh same 'trauma' but doesn't address the real problem. Kubiak.

Kubiak has gotten too much, and I think you agree, patience to date. Capers didn't have a fraction of the talent Kubiak has, and he was run after Year 4 even though he had one of the worst QBs in the league and was coaching an expansion team. The expansion label is gone, we have a QB, but now Kubiak gets more patience?

I do think the lockout affected McNair's mindset on changing coaches. If it didn't effect his mindset, then McNair is more clueless than I thought.

GO TEXANS

Double Barrel
04-26-2011, 01:00 PM
I understand where your argument is coming from but it is kind of "fudging" why they stood behind him..look at the first 6 years and the gaps. ONLY 3 losing seasons in 15 years. 1 at .500. I'd call that mostly above mediocre. The 5 out of 9 is kind of mischaracterized here.

11-5
9-7
12-4
11-5
10-6
11-5
7-9
6-10
9-7
13-3
10-5
6-10
15-1
11-5
8-8

What is really impressive to me about Cowher is that his teams had compiled a record of 10811 in games in which they built a lead of at least eleven points.

That stat just boggles my mind.

disaacks3
04-26-2011, 01:01 PM
After last year, there was nowhere to go but up. The turnover/trauma of bringing in a Cowher or Gruden is the same turnover/trauma of retainign Smithiak and hiring Wade. So you didn't want to make a move because of the 'rebuilding' process but you end up having to go through pretty much the same process changing defensive schemes. That's only true for the defensive side of the ball, the Offense could go into freefall without Kubiak.

I wanted him gone after last season too, but I accept that there would be a drop-off on the Offensive side of the ball if he were gone.

DocBar
04-26-2011, 01:08 PM
What is really impressive to me about Cowher is that his teams had compiled a record of 10811 in games in which they built a lead of at least eleven points.

That stat just boggles my mind. Maybe I did use a bad example. :ahhaha:

HoustonFrog
04-26-2011, 01:17 PM
What is really impressive to me about Cowher is that his teams had compiled a record of 10811 in games in which they built a lead of at least eleven points.

That stat just boggles my mind.

Agree. That is crazy. I may be wrong but I think it is due to his mindset. That is why I think many wanted him. He pounds a hardnosed, blue collar philosophy into the players and they play 4 quarters. The only question is would something that fit that city so well, fit here. I'm sure many would like to find out. I love the way he coaches.

Second Honeymoon
04-26-2011, 01:33 PM
that shows that players played for Cowher and that they knew people would be held accountable.

HoustonFrog
04-26-2011, 01:38 PM
That's only true for the defensive side of the ball, the Offense could go into freefall without Kubiak.

I wanted him gone after last season too, but I accept that there would be a drop-off on the Offensive side of the ball if he were gone.


I'm not sure on this. Yes, the offense is his baby but how efficient was the offense really? It was constantly a tale of 2 halves. I'll put it this way...I'd rather have an offense take one step back and still have the weapons and ability and have a coach who can keep the team focused for 4 quarters than what has been seen for 5 years. Winning games the Cowher way is much preferred to furious, point inducing comebacks.

So back to just Kubiak. That is what I think people want to see this year...a consistent team that shows up to play. I think people would be giving him slack if this alone had happened the last 2 years but it seemed to get worse.

Second Honeymoon
04-26-2011, 01:56 PM
i'm not sure on this. Yes, the offense is his baby but how efficient was the offense really? It was constantly a tale of 2 halves. I'll put it this way...i'd rather have an offense take one step back and still have the weapons and ability and have a coach who can keep the team focused for 4 quarters than what has been seen for 5 years. Winning games the cowher way is much preferred to furious, point inducing comebacks.

So back to just kubiak. That is what i think people want to see this year...a consistent team that shows up to play. I think people would be giving him slack if this alone had happened the last 2 years but it seemed to get worse.

qft

DocBar
04-26-2011, 06:33 PM
I'm not sure on this. Yes, the offense is his baby but how efficient was the offense really? It was constantly a tale of 2 halves. I'll put it this way...I'd rather have an offense take one step back and still have the weapons and ability and have a coach who can keep the team focused for 4 quarters than what has been seen for 5 years. Winning games the Cowher way is much preferred to furious, point inducing comebacks.

So back to just Kubiak. That is what I think people want to see this year...a consistent team that shows up to play. I think people would be giving him slack if this alone had happened the last 2 years but it seemed to get worse.The O never does anything but what's expected at the time it seems. They try trick plays at all designated times, play conservative right on cue and air it out when that's what's called for. I'd LOVE to see them open a game up with a hurry up offense. Do something completely uexpected.

Second Honeymoon
04-26-2011, 06:47 PM
The O never does anything but what's expected at the time it seems. They try trick plays at all designated times, play conservative right on cue and air it out when that's what's called for. I'd LOVE to see them open a game up with a hurry up offense. Do something completely uexpected.

They pass on 1st Down a bit more than I like and if its incomplete they run the ball on 2nd Down which drives me crazy.

As for short yardage, I have little faith. Myers dramatically improved last year, yet they still had trouble in short yardage? It was better last year but failed at crucial moments.